The screencap above tells the tale: the hotel from which spree killer Stephen Paddock fired on a crowd of 22 thousand concert-goers was a “gun free zone.” The question of whether or not any hotel staff detected any of the 23 firearms in Mr. Paddock’s room takes on new urgency.And while those calling for civilian disarmament in the wake of this horrific attack will ignore this fact, it’s more evidence, if evidence be needed, that gun control doesn’t work.

31 Responses to Mandalay Bay Hotel Was a “Gun Free Zone”

  1. Hotel rooms are domiciles (temporary, rented residences), and not subject to hotel GFZ policies for their public spaces.

    • I’m not sure that’s true… You can still have a policy that is a precondition to entering into a rental agreement. Unless there is a NV statute that back that up, you can still enforce rental policies in a temporary domicile.

    • I can find no federal or Nevada state law making that exemption. However, I also couldn’t find a Nevada law granting the hotel’s policy the force of law, so at worst you’d be in breach of contract with the hotel for bringing a weapon in.

      • The Gun Free Zone policy and/or signs on the doors have no force of law in Nevada. The most the hotel can do on discovering that you are armed or have firearms in your possession is demand that you leave their premises. Failure to do so in a timely manner will result in assistance from LV Metro and charges of trespass.

        It is NOT illegal to carry either open or concealed in any casino, but it is also NOT a good idea, if you know what I mean.

        • It doesn’t matter if the prohibition on “…weapons of any kind.” had the force of law or not. People understood or agreed they weren’t allowed to have guns there, therefore it was a gun-free zone. To be a “gun-free zone” *doesn’t* require that a person simply *not* observing that prohibition (de facto or de jure) is violating a law. So, it was, in effect (de facto) a gun-free zone. Private property that has a no guns policy or an event that has the same policy that takes place in a venue that would otherwise allow firearms is still a gun-free zone.

          Again, it’s only *not* a gun-free zone if you define a GFZ by whether someone armed with a firearm is violating a law.

    • It would be awfully challenging going to and from the hotel room through the public areas without violating their policy.

    • That depends on the state. For example, in the state of New Mexico, guns aren’t allowed in bars, but the law specifically exempts the hotel portion of a property that includes both a bar and a hotel. Do you have a source for your claim?

  2. How would they? Assuming the rifles are broken down and packed in regular suitcases. There’s no point being dickish about this.

  3. WHERE’S THE FING OUTCRY OVER THE PEOPLE WHO WERE TARGETED?

    Kind of convenient for a dbag from NV to go shooting up a huge crowd of most-likely conservatives.

    John Rich sang “GOD Bless America” 90 minutes before the shooting and the whole crowd joined in.

    Looks like another POS (D) job – just sayin.

  4. GUN CONTROL (like the support of “Societal Agreement”) is notional, and determined moment-to-moment.

    No one can protect you on an individual level and moment-to-moment basis, AND ANYONE SAYING SO IS PURPOSEFULLY LYING.

  5. Unfortunately Nevada doesn’t honor my state’s CCW so I traveled empty handed to Mandalay Bay conference for work last month…

  6. Likely the reason it took the popo SEVENTY TWO MINUTES to breach is that they were complying with “contact prior to arriving” BS. Or something.

  7. “Looks like another POS (D) job – just sayin.”

    From TTAG commenter- Mark Kelly’s Diapered Drooling Ventriloquist’s Dummy.

    “Read & Weep: https://twitter.com/paydirt101/status/915043092088188929

    Shooter was a DEMOCRAT since 1984 when he was in Palm Beach Fl.

    Additionally Kevin Martin (a Black Conservative) working for President Trump’s administration as an advisor reports that the shooter belongs to nearly ALL the same “anti-Trump” Facebook groups as Scalise shooter James Hodgkinson including being OFA/Obama and big Rachel Maddow fan. Scroll down his page to see the post: https://www.facebook.com/kevv.martin?ref=br_rs#

    “The shooter, Stephen Craig Paddock, 64.. a white liberal Democrat, hated President Trump and spoke openly about his political views. They are as follows…

    Political Views per his Facebook page:
    -Proud to Be A Democrat
    -The Rachel Maddow Show​
    -Thank You Obama
    -Anti-Trump Army
    -Progressive Day,
    Organizing for Action (Soros)
    -Not My President
    -Fight Trump
    -Boycott All Things Trump
    -Impeach Trump

    I am sharing, because the media won’t.”

    • Then again:

      Stephen Paddock’s last stop was here, in Mesquite, Nev., a modest desert oasis 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, where he lived in a retirement community with his female partner and kept a low profile, conversing little and maintaining no Facebook or Twitter accounts.

      In an era when social media invites full-throated expression of even the most minor annoyance, Paddock gave away no hint of whatever it was that drove him to commit mass murder on the Las Vegas Strip, killing 59 people in an assault on a country music festival late Sunday night.

      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-what-we-know-20171002-story.html

    • I thought the shooter cleaned all his social media presence and there was nothing to reference. How can Mr. Martin claim anything on that list?

  8. That screen capture comes from “POLICIES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANIES”
    https://www.mandalaybay.com/content/dam/MGM/mandalay-bay/meetings/documents/mandalay-bay-meetings-convention-mb-private-security-policies-as-of-10-2012.pdf

    The Events Center and the Concerts On The Beach both prohibit “Weapons, Firearms, Pepper Spray, Pocket Knives or Mace”
    https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/entertainment/mandalay-bay-events-center.html#/PROHIBITED%20ITEMS
    https://www.mandalaybay.com/en/entertainment/concerts-on-the-beach.html

    I can’t find a policy banning firearm possession by guests, whether in rooms or public spaces.

  9. Folks need to start looking at hotel web sites for firearm policy. I was at the Post Oak Hilton in Houston a couple of weeks ago and found they were a gun free zone. The only folks allowed to have guns on the property are on duty police and military. Not even off duty or retired police. Time to start voting with our money.

  10. this is a stupid point to make. he didnt shoot people at the hotel,he shot FROM the hotel at people in public, which im sure WAS a gun free zone as well.

  11. Curious that authorities and news media are not releasing info from his Facebook Page. What’s on it? What’s not on it? If we all want to know “why” then why is the news media demanding it? Perhaps it does not support the narrative of a right wing gun nut. Just saying…

    • There is no social media activity for this guy. If he had a page you’d be able to open and read it yourself.

  12. If you can t ban service to minorities then you should not able to ban lawfull gun carries bei private citzizen !!
    Do this should an felony (for disarming employers too) !!

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