Question of the Day: ‘Death Wish’ – Revenge Porn?

The Death Wish remake (trailer below) is gonna be big. For one thing, it’s a role Bruce Willis was born to play. Again. Still. For another, the film’s “alt-right” pro-gun vigilante vibe is sure to infuriate the mainstream media — leading to massive free publicity. And ticket sales. After watching this clip (not magazine), I’m left wondering . . .

why wasn’t Lucy Kersey armed when her home was invaded?

Anyway, sight unseen, do you reckon Death Wish is going to hurt or help the pro-gun rights cause? ‘Cause as sure as Paul Kersey’s GLOCK isn’t going to stovepipe, DW’s going to play it both ways (despite this seemingly straightforward trailer). There’ll be an anti-gun/violence message in there somewhere.

While we’re at it, what did you think of the original?

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  1. avatar Swilson says:

    Original was awesome.

    1. avatar OldLawProf says:

      The original Death Wish is awesome. Watched it again last night.

      Remained me of a true story. About 6 months after La Affaire Goetz, a similar situation happened on a NYC subway train. Criminal with a knife approaches a well dressed man, waves knife, demands money, victim reaches into coat, pulls gun, shoots Hood in self defense. Replaces gun, picks up briefcase and gets off at next stop. Late entering passenger screams and police come. None of the dozen people in that car saw or heard anything when interviewed. The police call for shooter to “turn himself in”. Being smarter than Bernie, he does not. Never has, never will, sleeps soundly.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      And explained why his family was unarmed at the time of the attack he had served in Korea as a conscientious objector and was against violence until his family was murdered.

  2. avatar olivehead says:

    The original was dark and serious, with the exception of some light touches by the great Vincent Gardenia and the final shot of the movie. This movie (at least based on the trailer, which can be deceiving) looks too self-conscious and jokey, which the original was definitely not. The trailer makes this look like a fairly run of the mill revenge flick. I’ll see it anyway.

  3. avatar Kendahl says:

    Original movie was ok. Book was better (as usual). Once the remake comes out on video, I’ll check out a copy from my public library.

  4. avatar Chris Mallory says:

    The question is “Will it accurately show Illinois firearms laws?”

    The way Bronson got his revolver in the first movie was technically illegal, since it was given as a gift in a state where he was not a resident.

    Football star turned actor Jim Brown considered Bronson to be a legit tough guy.

    I doubt the remake will be as good as the original, Eli Roth is a hack. It will take all of Bruce Willis’ talent to save the movie from Roth.

    1. avatar The Rookie says:

      “I doubt the remake will be as good as the original, Eli Roth is a hack. It will take all of Bruce Willis’ talent to save the movie from Roth.”

      ^^This^^ Roth is a terrible director, IMHO.

      1. avatar Joe R. says:

        +

        It could only be worse if it was made by John Woo.

        1. avatar I hate Quenton Tarrantino says:

          No, I think Quimby Tarantula (or whatever that hack’s name is) could make it worse.

    2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      The original Death Wish with Charles Bronson came out in 1974. I don’t think it was illegal to give a law abiding citizen a gun who lived across state lines.

      In 1984 or 86, yes it would be illegal then.

      1. avatar Chris Mallory says:

        GRA 68 made interstate transfers between non FFLS illegal.

        1. avatar Chris Mallory says:

          GCA 68

  5. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    OK. After watching the trailer, I’m going to go see it.
    And I want that coffee table.

  6. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    I think this will be a popular remake for sure. I don’t think any “messaging” in movies matters much in 2017. I will enjoy lefties flipping their lids over it.

    1. avatar n64456 says:

      The leftists will be pissed because its their voters that’re getting ventilated…. If Democrats would stop raping, robbing, and shooting people; this would be a pretty damn safe country…..

    2. avatar Geoff PR says:

      ” I don’t think any “messaging” in movies matters much in 2017.”

      I disagree on that. The ‘message’ in that movie is that guns can right a wrong when law enforcement is unwilling or unable to deal with it.

      The gun itself wasn’t evil, it was simply a tool in the toolbox used to fix a ‘problem’…

  7. avatar CLarson says:

    It looks good, but I’ll wait for a review. I don’t want to waste my money if the trailer is a bait and switch and the movie is loaded with SJW themes. Hollywood is deeply in the red this year so maybe they will cool it on the lefty bullshit.

    1. avatar AFGus says:

      Bruce Willis is a pretty stand-up Conservative and 2nd Amendment supporter. I doubt that he would involve himself in some SJW hack movie.

      1. avatar AnOregonian says:

        The script and filming are one thing, but in the end you never know how it’s going to be edited.

  8. avatar AFGus says:

    Why was my first post marked as “spam” and deleted? It was a simple post saying that I would pay to go see the movie. Nothing spam about it. Guess I’m just going to have to stop commenting on TTAG posts.

    1. avatar Don says:

      Settle down, Spammy, shit happens.

  9. avatar michael says:

    I just rewatched the original. It was pretty dark and serious. Not sure how the remake will be.

    The fact that Hollyweird keeps remaking movies shows that the “creative class” really aren’t that creative.

  10. avatar Ragnarredbeard says:

    The original is a classic Charles Bronson movie. No need for a remake.

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      There have already been four remakes. And none of them quite matched the original, but some had their moments.

      Hardware was interesting, if not quite believable, in DW3:
      Being this is a .475 Wildey, the most powerful handgun in the world, you gotta ask yourself, do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? That and the belt fed Browning were a bit over the top, but entirely possible for the characters to have. The LAW was a bit too much, however, and Kersey obviously didn’t come by it legally, or even honestly. The bad guy in that movie was the sort of fellow you’d like to shoot center mass with an RPG or LAW, just to see what it would do to him.

  11. avatar Adub says:

    It’d be nice if they made a decent Punisher movie but they’ve all been awful and made so frequently that the market is exhausted.

    1. avatar Weskyvet says:

      Amen!! The first remake was decent, the Dolph Lundgren one was either awesome or terrible depending on who you ask, and the Warzone movie absolutely sucked. I think it’s a conspiracy these crappy reboots only happen to lesser known characters…. Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and the list goes on and on.

      Also if you have any good will towards Iron Fist DO NOT watch Marvel’s Defenders on Netflix basically the whole thing is just him getting his a** kicked by random people until the other 3 bail him out. SPOILER ALERT: Daredevil dies after him and a re animated Elektra have their epic final battle/passionate love scene.

    2. avatar Chris Mallory says:

      Dirty Laundry has been the best Punisher movie.

      Look for it on Youtube.

  12. avatar Mister Fleas says:

    Meh…pass

  13. avatar Manse Jolly says:

    Some original movies should not be remade/rebooted and any attempt is going to bomb.

    Is Death Wish?

    The first one was serious and shocking. Thats what this one will need to do. Shock even the numb society we have now. I don’t know if Willis can pull it off like Bronson did. Kinda doubt it but we’ll see.

  14. avatar Shire-man says:

    Looks like he’s killing white people and helping out black people.
    SJW’s are going to have a hard time marching in their pussy hats against this.

    If I recall correctly Bronson took out mostly whites in the original too. Back when gangs were portrayed as ambiguously gay, rainbow clad roller skaters.

    1. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      Black males = 6% of the population but commit 50% of the homicides. Political correctness reigns.

  15. avatar Hoodlum says:

    I agree certain movies stand the test of time and shouldn’t be remade. Death Wish is one of them. Actually this is third time. There was a terrible one called Death Sentence with Kevin Bacon that was based off the same book.
    I just hope like hell they don’t remake the Dirty Harry movies

    1. avatar Chris Mallory says:

      Death Sentence is based off a second book by Garfield, named Death Sentence. He wrote it in response to the perception that Death Wish advocated vigilantism.

  16. avatar Al says:

    And what’s wrong with revenge? Or porn for that matter? Know your limits 🙂

  17. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Original was dark, but it was a great movie. I will pay to go see this one in the theater, which is something I have been doing less often this year. Gonna go see It this weekend, the original book was written by King before he got run over, as all his better books were.

    1. avatar Lotek says:

      Death Wish was written by Brian Garfield. Don’t know if he got run over though

      1. avatar Juice says:

        He meant see the movie “IT,” not see Death Wish.

  18. avatar Weskyvet says:

    Considering he buys a Glock in Chicago and walks out with it the same day… I’m gonna say it doesn’t truly reflect Chicago’s gun laws. His wife wasn’t armed because they live in Chicago and he wasn’t a gun guy until after that event.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      I was born in Chicago, and between there and the burbs, lived there for 18 years. I only knew one person who hunted, and none that owned handguns (that I knew of). the burbs on the near north or north side were extremely safe–boringly so. My father was a surgeon who worked Cook County Hospital (now Stoeger Memorial) and the County Jail Medical Facility. Neither he nor any of the other doctors he worked with were ever armed, and in all the years that I can recall, only one got mugged. It may be different now, but back then the unwritten law was that doctors were to be left alone because sooner or later the gang members (or family) were going to end up in the hospital, and the last thing you’d want is the ER doc fingering you as the guy that mugged him. On the other hand, with all the gang bangers roaming the halls, there was (and probably still is) a very large CPD presence 24/7/365.

  19. avatar Ed Rogers says:

    Honestly, I don’t remember whether I saw the first one, I think I did.

    I need to watch both movies AND read the book.

    There’s a line between revenge fantasy as a moral vehicle and gratuitous violence pandering to the masses. The trailer teaser hints at some constructive message but we’ll have to see whether it ends up being constructive to the Second Amendment or something that labels us as ludicrous goons.

  20. avatar Ralph says:

    I saw the first Death Wish in a theater in NYC in ’74.

    At that time, NYC was submerged in crime and left defenseless by two feckless mayors, John Lindsay and Abe Beame (the odious David Dinkens would arrive later). With about 150,000 violent crimes per year, 2000 murders and 5000 rapes, NYC was a running sewer and good people were angry, afraid and disarmed.

    Every time Kersey capped a bad guy and then at the end of the movie, the audience applauded and cheered. That’s when I knew that changes were coming. It took Rudy Giuliani to finally start to suppress crime, and I do believe that he helped to save NYC. Without his influence, NYC would be Chiraq.

  21. avatar jt says:

    The scenes in the preview don’t look nearly as realistic as in the original. That was highly realistic street violence, or so I am told.

    Should be fun to see, but doubtful it dethrones the original.

  22. avatar Joe R. says:

    The original had people needing 3-shot kills and there were even some Bronson derpy-dives to cover. The action wasn’t the story, it was just the punctuation.

    1. avatar Rick the Bear says:

      It was a .32–not very powerful.

  23. avatar HillaryFree says:

    If it’s based in Chicago, the audience should have to buy their ticket and then wait a week to see the movie.

  24. avatar srirachapocalypse says:

    The ACDC song seems out of place. Makes it seem like a Expendables vibe.

  25. avatar TommyJay says:

    As to RF’s question “Why wasn’t Mrs. Kersey armed to begin with?” the main answer is that Mr. Kersey was a “bleeding heart liberal.” It wasn’t until Kersey’s family is destroyed and Stuart Margolin’s character Aimes Jainchill, a wealthy Arizona real estate developer, takes Kersey to his firing range club, and gifts Kersey a revolver that it sinks in.

  26. avatar shooter says:

    So, what’s wrong with revenge porn?

  27. avatar Timothy says:

    Someone asked me if I thought Bruce Willis was going to keep doing movies. I said “Of course! You know what they say about old habits….”

    1. avatar Velvet Elvis Gun Guy (formerly Timmy!) says:

      Ohhhhhhhh! I see what you did there…

  28. avatar Juice says:

    Going off of this trailer, it appears to follow the plot of the original fairly closely up until he gets a gun. Bronson’s Kersey never finds, or even really hunts for his family’s attackers. He swings from a one-time conscientious objector, bleeding-heart liberal to a vigilante “baiting” violent hoodlums (by doing little more than deliberately traveling alone in high-crime public areas while armed with nothing more than a .32 revolver) and then murdering the ones that survive the initial attack.

    Willis’s Kersey appears to be following the more generic (or classic) revenge storyline, violently working his way up from the bottom to get the people responsible, and doing a lot more shooting. Definitely appears to be less creative, but it does look like a lot of fun.

    1. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      Bruce Willis movies are generally fun. I think he enjoys playing the kick-ass-loner-everyman character. It’s a role that works very well for him, both here and around the world—especially in Asia, just as it similarly worked so well for Clint Eastwood. My guess is that the movie will really be about the role while the narrative will just be popcorn. An interesting philosophical question is whether or not his character becomes a warrior. If he’s “at war” with the bad guys, as Bruce Willis’s characters usually are, then he’s not going to feel much oppressive guilt at the manner or timeliness of their demise.

  29. The original DW is iconic, no doubt, but that doesn’t make it impossible for Willis & Co. to deliver a stand-alone product. Acting, direction, editing, production values, etc., have all improved (in the right hands) over the last 40 years, so the necessary ingredients for a remake to withstand comparisons with an icon are all available. We’ll see.

    I’m already hoping for a sequel.

  30. avatar Joel IV says:

    Alt-Right is an abhorrent organization / affiliation. Calling this alt-right, even in quotes, is doing a great disservice to the film.

  31. avatar BDub says:

    I was never comfortable with Death Wish. I love Charles Bronson (Once Upon A Time in the West is one of my favorite movies), but there is a point in the movie where the character transistions from a deperate nervous attempt to bring some justice to his environment, to actually relishing and enjoying the killing. It just doesn’t sit well with me.

    1. avatar BDub says:

      …having just finsihed this new trailer, I have to say, I get the same creepy vibe. Inserting the humor at the end, and the one-liners about “Jack” doing the killing, it doesn’t sit well with me.

  32. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    I thought revenge porn was when you released the sex video of your ex doing it on a bus all over the internet, so the whole world can see what a lying dirty skank she is and how she slept with your neighbor Berry… and that motherf*cker still had my weedeater and 11/32 drill bit…

    Not that I know what that’s about.

  33. avatar Mark N. says:

    All of a sudden I want to watch Fifth Element again. I watched Extraction last weekend. Kind of a muddled plot.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “All of a sudden I want to watch Fifth Element again.”

      Any reason is a good reason to see Milla Jovovich sans clothing.

      Yowser! 🙂

  34. avatar Shawn says:

    This is one of maybe three movies in the past three years I’ve ever actually want to see really badly. Considering the garbage that’s coming out of Hollywood if it pisses off liberals then it makes me happy. Like every time Trump opens his mouth.

  35. avatar Delwin says:

    I am a bit sceptical about remake. It can be a decent film on its own but the original was violent, gritty and actually realistic. Which may sound weird but it was the 70s movie, before Star Wars… The remake suggest “fun”…

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