Sturm, Ruger & Co: Second Quarter Sales Down 23%

Sturm, Ruger & Co. has just released its second quarter financial results. The numbers reveal the extent of the so-called “Trump slump” and the cost of the gunmaker’s recall of the Mark IV pistol.

In the second quarter of 2017, net sales decreased 22% and earnings per share decreased 53% from the second quarter of 2016. The decrease in earnings is attributable to the sales decline, the unfavorable de-leveraging of fixed manufacturing costs due to the decline in production volumes, and the $2.5 million expense related to the recall of Mark IV pistols.

Don’t take our word that Hillary Clinton’s failure to assume the highest office in the land has put a damper on gun sales (which remain strong, historically speaking), leaving the distribution channel stuffed with product, leading to lower prices, leading to lower profits all ’round.

The decrease in estimated sell-through of the Company’s products from the independent distributors to retailers is attributable to:

– Decreased overall consumer demand in 2017 due to stronger-than-normal demand during most of 2016, likely bolstered by the political campaigns for the November 2016 elections,

– Reduced purchasing by retailers in an effort to reduce their inventories and generate cash as they head into the typically slower summer season, and

– Aggressive price discounting and lucrative consumer rebates offered by many of our competitors.

The report also highlights the importance of Ruger’s Unique Selling Point: a steady flow of new products (or at least variations of existing products):

Sales of new products, including the Mark IV pistols, the LCP II pistol, and the Precision Rifle, represented $84.9 million or 29% of firearm sales in the first half of 2017. New product sales include only major new products that were introduced in the past two years.

Ruger remains a highly profitable company offering quality, affordable U.S.-made firearms for Americans exercising their natural, civil and Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. While TTAG will never compromise our editorial integrity, we salute Ruger’s employees for their industry, creativity and customer service. Just sayin’.

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  1. avatar BLAMMO says:

    I’m a fan. Not a fanboy, but a fan.

  2. avatar TruthTellers says:

    Does this mean Ruger is soon going to join S&W, Springfield, Walther, and Savage with rebate offers?

    1. avatar Lost Down South says:

      HA! That’s the first thing I thought when I saw the headline: WOO HOO! REBATE!

      Get me the wunna them there blued, 4″ .357 GP-100 that I’ve always wanted.

    2. avatar million says:

      Add Browning ($100) and Taurus ($50) to that group now.

  3. avatar TexTed says:

    I’m telling you, the Trump Slump is real and it’s a buyer’s market out there. If you’re wanting to sell a used gun, you’re probably screwed, but if you’re aiming to buy something new there hasn’t been a better time in YEARS. Low prices and great manufacturer offers like the Springfield and H&K free magazine offers… dealers willing to price-match with internet sites… if you’re gonna buy, now’s the time to buy.

    1. avatar Tim says:

      Lord knows, I dun my part. So many good deal out there right now – *these* are the new “good ol’ days”.

    2. avatar Hellbilly says:

      Last week I walked around a flea market with an AR pistol build I wanted to sell. 20 minutes later it was sold, and not at a loss. The buyer was an older gentleman who’s been wanting an AR. I was genuinely expecting to be sitting on it for quite a while.

  4. avatar Accur81 says:

    The next guns on my list are a Precision Rifle and a Henry pump .22. I’m a little burned out on all the tactical stuff.

  5. avatar James Earl Hoffa says:

    Time to start buying Ruger stock.

    1. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

      I’ve owned some for a while. It’s not a great performer. I am going to sell mine off when they rebound. Orbital ATK on the otherhand (symbol: OA) has been great. Aerospace + ammunition.

  6. avatar Anonymous says:

    We need more government buy backs and at a higher buy back sale prices. Sells some guns to the government, funded by gun grabbers, then use those funds to buy new product from manufacturers such as ruger. A win for us, a slap in the anti-gunners faces, and a win for the families of employees at gun manufacturers. Now all we need to do is convince socialist regimes like, say, Seattle, to host a buyback that is actually lucrative.

    1. avatar Chris says:

      Wth? That’s a ignorant comment, why would anyone want to sell back to the government? They give like 200$ a gun I buy quality guns that 200$ won’t come close to anything I own and I don’t consider myself a gun snob lol ,you sound clueless and like a liberal, the liberals would say see buy back program works we don’t need guns or the 2nd amendment.

      1. avatar Button Gwinnet says:

        I think you missed the /sarc.

      2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Chris,

        You apparently don’t realize that a LOT of people bring JUNK guns that are broken/worthless to “buy backs” and use that money to purchase shiny new firearms. For example: say you have managed to collect one broken rifle, one junk single-shot shotgun, and one horrible old pot-metal handgun for basically nothing. You take them to the next “buy back” and “sell” all three of them to the local gun-control organization for $400 and then go buy a nice new handgun or shotgun with that money!

        It might just be time to start dragging a powerful magnet along the likes of the Hudson or Detroit rivers to collect junk guns for the next “buy back”!

  7. avatar jwm says:

    When you fixing the required fields mess up?

  8. avatar TM says:

    Sweet! Hopefully we will see better deals. Keeping an eye out for Mk IV Hunter.

    1. avatar RMS1911 says:

      I want one also.
      I was waiting for the price to settle and the bugs to be worked out.
      I quit being an early adopter I wait about 15 months to see if there will be a recall or any problems.

  9. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Well I did my part on Sunday and ordered up another Ru ger. Got an email that it shipped today.

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      Another Ruger what, Gov?
      C’mon, dont leave us hanging- whatcha get?

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        My new barbecue gat;

        http://www.realguns.com/articles/789.htm

        1. avatar jwm says:

          .44 magnum. Those are some rough bbq’s you attend.

        2. avatar Geoff PR says:

          No padding on that bird’s-head grip.

          That’s gonna *hurt* shooting it with full-house loads.

          With .44 special loads, should be sweet.

          I hope you consider doing a review on it and submit it to TTAG gov…

        3. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          One word jwm, ‘bears’. A grizzly bear has ten times the olfactory power as humans and can smell a bbq from a thousand miles away, which, just happens to be the approximate distance I live from Yellowstone National Park. Never can be too safe.

          Geoff, from the article;
          ‘The trade off with small grips is… a small grip and the thought of pulling chronograph and accuracy data with live fire was not without a sense of trepidation. Fortunately, the grip fit proved not to be a problem, however, it did prove to be different. I was able to fit two fingers on the front strap and curl my pinky under the frame for support; to this point not much different than holding a compact pi stol. However, the long curve of the backstrap is quite palm filling even if a bit narrow. I found it to be comfortable under recoil, even with heavy loads, coming straight back into the palm and remaining quite level for follow up shots without a shifted grip. Also, lots of finger/trigger guard clearance so no trace of knuckle wrapping.’

          Besides, only hippies and commies need three fingers on the grip to shoot a .44 magnum. BTW, I’ve got some PMC 180gr. SJHPs that should put out 900+ft/lbs out of the 3-3/4″ barrel. If I have to use them (away from the range) the recoil will be the least of my worries. On the other hand, if you’ve ever reloaded a SAA you’ll appreciate the ability of the .44 magnum to get the job done without re-loading. And as far as the review, hopefully I’ll have a little spare time for the next content contest.

    2. avatar Jeff K says:

      Have gotten two more Rugers so far this year, they just keep giving me reasons to add ‘just one more’.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        As BLovin’ said, ‘another Ru ger what?’

        Actually the last two Ru gers I’ve bought were used but unfired (P95, no.1). The last new production Ru ger I bought was 2 years ago (6″ stainless GP 100). If you had to own only one brand of fire arms, Ru ger would be the only decent option IMHO. If they only made a .30-30 levergun there’d be nothing left to go elsewhere for. (Oh, and bring back a new and improved P series.) Right now (counting the new one) they’re 70% of my collection, which seems to be about the right ratio.

        1. avatar Jeff K says:

          Mk IV 22/45 & SP101 4.2″. Had my son in law in Montana shoot the LCR , SP101 & GP100 in .357 Mag to see which one he liked the best; picked the GP100. They needed a Bear gun and he thought some real small and light would be easier, found exactly the opposite, just like I told him. He got a nice present. 90% Ruger for me.

  10. avatar former water walker says:

    Sorry it’s all my fault…I got a Taurus 709 instead of a LC9s for about 70bucks less. And it’s running extremely well. Still working on that Ruger AR556 but my lgs raised the price by $150…I do like Ruger and want a few more. Mebbe on Black Friday 🙂

    1. avatar Jeff K says:

      Should be ashamed of yourself. But the Taurus’ were marked down to almost free at some places.

  11. avatar Jon in CO says:

    Still waiting for the TD in 22mag/17hmr. Or both with a barrel swap. I’ve emailed them a couple times with the suggestion, but nothing yet.

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      Have they ever offered the Mark series in .22 WMR?

  12. avatar TheOtherDavid says:

    I’ve always enjoyed shooting the Ruger firearms I’ve had, but I wonder if part of the sales hit is because word is starting to filter around that while their after-purchase customer service is second to none, their build quality out the door has started to suffer to a degree.

    My AR was misassembled at the factory, came back broken after they put it back together again, and my LCP II is on its way back because I had a catastrophic frame failure with under 200 rounds through it.

    Ruger always makes it right when things go wrong, but we shouldn’t have to depend on that excellent customer service quite as often as we seem to be these days.

    1. avatar The Dude Abides says:

      The machine marks left on the outside of new ruger precisions are appalling.

  13. avatar FlamencoD says:

    As others have mentioned, I think the Trump Slump is being masked a bit by the lower prices and rebates many companies are offering. M&P Shield going for as low as $210 after rebates earlier this year on some websites. S&W M&P 15 Sports going for as low as $479 at times this year. I’ve seen the Ruger 556 ARs for $450. Even ammo isn’t immune, Federal running a nickel rebate on every round of certain 5.56 ammo and other handgun ammo rebates as well.

  14. avatar BrooklynInDaHouse says:

    Most of their guns are off the CA roster. That doesn’t help.

    1. avatar PeterW says:

      You don’t like the LC380?

      LC380CA 03253 / Alloy; Polymer Pistol 3.12″ .380 Auto 1/1/2018

      The only semi-auto Ruger pistol you can purchase new in California.

      They have a good collection of revolvers, but semis are volume guns that do not get a chance behind enemy lines.

      1. avatar Jeremy says:

        The LC380 did fine by me, but it was my wife’s pistol. She kept having FTE issues with it. There was no mechanical problems with it, so we sold it to a LGS who also looked it over and found no issues. Wife then went to CC permit class and tested several different models. She really liked the Sig P320. Turns out she likes carrying a what I call a “fighting pistol”.

        1. avatar Missouri_Mule says:

          My wife has an LC380 too. The trigger pull seem a bit looong for me but a Galloway trigger bar kit helped a bunch and it runs just fine. Only remaining issue is an occasional failure to lock open on empty. Honestly the the LC9s doesn’t have much more recoil and a LOT better trigger. If she shot more I think she would confiscate my LC9s.

        2. avatar Jeff K says:

          Call Ruger and have them send your a new mag follower, should fix problem just fine.

      2. avatar BrooklynInDaHouse says:

        I was able to buy an sr22 and and sr9c before they went off. I would have liked to get an sr45 to go along with them.

  15. avatar Hank says:

    I’d like one of these ruger MK IV’s in an adult caliber if at all possible.

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      An “adult caliber”?!
      Now you… wait just a damn min… (huff, wheeze)… troll…
      All right. Fine. A finely made target .22 may not twist the wrist the way you like but let’s make no mistake – that is a grownups gun.
      Now the Ruger SR22, that’s a pistol for kids- lightweight, tiny grip, easy slide, perfect for a new shooter.
      Hmmph. Adult caliber… (grumble, snarl…)
      “Twenty-twos make people smile” (my motto to customers looking in that case).

  16. avatar stateisevil says:

    The sad slump is the political slump. R’s in, “conservatives” will go to sleep. No HPA, no reciprocity, nada. Scare you with Hillary, put the brownshirt republicans into power. Repeat.

  17. avatar Dan H. says:

    Bring on a GSR rebate, please.

    1. avatar Tim says:

      Instead of the GSR, consider the CZ 550 in 308W. Excellent iron sights + scope rings, and it even takes detachable 10-round magazines.

  18. avatar george says:

    I had to trade my hunter1v and target 1v ,sent for boxes to ship back,never heard any thing, no e-mail or phone call,to tell me when I can expect ,the fix,have not fired either yet,now never,one gun store woundnt take a trade. I,was affried Icould not get fixed soon,so,what was left,trade, never for a ruger agin,thist cost me some bucks,at least $300. no more.

    1. avatar george says:

      I tried to redo,with no luck. feel like a s—t. am 70 years and cant do to fast,as it shows .sorry for mistakes. thank you

  19. avatar Frank says:

    Dear Ruger,

    Give us a three-inch LCR in .38/.357 with low-profile sights, made for carry. No goofy two-story-high snagtastic adjustable sights like you put on the LCRx 3-inch. Take a look at the three-inch Kimber K6s and ask yourself why they beat you to it, because duh. Maybe throw in a six-shot .327 option in that configuration while you are at it.

    Next, give us SR9c PRO models (no manual safety, mag disconnect, or LCI) in 9mm and .45 ACP. No thank you on the needlessly angular RAP compact.

    Finally, some handy carbines that takes SR mags in 9mm and .45 ACP and look more classical than tactical. Think Marlin Camp Carbine.

    Do this and we’ll see how the next quarter goes. Thanks.

    1. avatar Jeff K says:

      All good ideas.

    2. avatar RMS1911 says:

      “(no manual safety, mag disconnect, or LCI) ” this is done for the communist states.The 4.2 inch barrel is for Canada.

    3. avatar Swarf says:

      And a not crap version of Kel Tec’s PMR 30.

  20. avatar David Deplorable says:

    I would be curious about 2nd Q sales for Rock River Arms and Springfield “Stab us in the back” Armory.

  21. avatar Dave M says:

    As usual I’ve done my part to help Ruger out this year; a Mk IV Lite in Deep Purple & an SP101 .357 Mag 4.2″. Both shoot wonderfully. The Mk IV recall came out less than a week after I got mine, checked it out and really did not see an issue. Sent to back anyhow to get the update on the grip frame and the free mag. Only 10 days total time including shipping. Ran a box of shells thru it that night, everything fine. The SP101 was Ruger #18; I really love their product and customer service.

  22. avatar Carl Strode says:

    Indeed it is a buying opportunity! Ruger (RGR) is still higher than when I last bought it a few months ago. I’m hoping the stock price drops a bit more so I can pick up some more – cheap. Ruger pays a dividend that is many times higher than any bank account. I bought a Birdshead Vaquero in .45 Colt with last year’s dividends 🙂

    1. avatar Tim says:

      Curious: how many magazines did they include when they returned it?

      1. avatar Jeff K says:

        You send them just the grip frame sans mag, get it back with one mag in the frame.

  23. avatar RMS1911 says:

    Whomever designed this site needs their a$$ beaten with a baseball bat for a while.
    This stupid blue banner that keeps jumping up and down altering my view is pi$$ing me off.
    And this discussion board needs to be updated to something better.

    1. avatar John in AK says:

      Not all of us have a blue banner jumping around. . . have you taken your meds? Adjusted your aluminum foil? Checked your eyeglass prescription? Had a recent check-up?

      Oh, and those kids on your lawn? They’re not the Antichrist. They may not even really BE there. Please don’t shoot them.

      Calm down. Everything’s gonna be fine.

    2. avatar Shwiggie says:

      For my part, I hate the header bar, too. But my mobile screen’s big enough now that I can ignore it better than I used to.

  24. avatar OrangeIsTheNewBlack says:

    “Don’t take our word that Hillary Clinton’s failure to assume the highest office in the land has put a damper on gun sales”

    Funny how now that it’s a reality, TTAG is quietly admitting that the Trump Slump is real.

    And who really cares? People who buy guns out of fear never end up shooting them anyway–bunch of fair weather, snowflake preppers.

    1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      Maybe Ruger should address their pricing and recalls . Originally Bill Ruger made an affordable pistol that ordinary working class people could afford. I thing this affordability goal has been lost. I own several Rugers that I got used and got a goon deal on but the prices I see on new Rugers are way out there.

      1. avatar Russ H. says:

        Too expensive? How cheap do you want them? Let’s look at their pistols: With the exception of their 1911’s (around $700-800) and a couple Mk IV’s, all the rest sell for under $500. Granted, their revolvers are a little more expensive but this isn’t the 70’s anymore like when I bought a brand new Colt Python for $300. I think their prices are in line with other comparable firearms. I yearn for those prices again too but it ain’t gonna happen.

      2. avatar cisco kid says:

        Yes I agree with you the only thing attractive about the crudely made Rugers in all their cast iron splendor was the fact that at one time they were affordable and they usually worked most of the time. Today we have neither reason to buy them.

        1. avatar unknown says:

          Investment cast Stainless & High grade steels are totally removed from ‘cast iron’. Since when are Rugers ‘crudely made’? Made tough to last several generations of use; why do you think that reloading manuals have “Ruger Only” sections for load data? As for ‘affordability’ get an inflation chart that goes back to the 1700’s and translate those dollars into today’s dollars; often very little difference & sometimes lower true cost. For example: $100 in 1970 equals $630.22 in 2017 dollars You can not compare $ to $ from what is often called ‘the good old days’. Today we have better overall products at often less comparable prices, like it or not.

        2. avatar TX Gun Gal says:

          Cisco Kid, what is the “we” about? Do You have a mouse in your pocket? Cause I have12 Ruger pistols and revolvers and other than the LCRs, all the others are stainless steel frames. Other than the WC all cost less than $500.00. Not a single one has ever had a recall. All go bang when trigger is pulled. Ruger manufacturers reliable, affordable, quality handguns.
          Not your cup of tea? Then don’t buy a Ruger handgun. No one is making you buy a Ruger or any other manufacturer’s product.

  25. avatar cisco kid says:

    The Recall of the MKIV pistols is a perfect example of how gun companies are run these days. With Old Bill dead and long gone they are now behaving like the rest of the greed monger gun companies by rushing a gun to market without even bothering to test it and of course they are now also using junk MIM cast parts as well. The result is endless recalls all at the consumers expense and rage.

    Its always a good idea never, ever to buy a new model gun for at least 2 years after it hits the shelves as the greed monger gun companies let the consumer test the gun for them and they could not care less if they lose the first run of customers as because of endless recalls. They realize that the gun market is so big they never lose much in sales at a later date. Its called the “modern way to rape the customer” because we could not care less what kind of quality product we produce. Plasiticy parts, stamped sheet metal parts and MIM cast parts are todays horrific reality in the gun market, they should include a set of blinders so you do not have to look at what you just bought in all its plasticky splendor.

    Meanwhile I went tot the range with my Original Belgium Browning Medalist with a tongue and groove slide and frame or my original Colt Woodsman. That was back when they made “real guns” not modern day made plasticky and stamped sheet metal trash.

    1. avatar unknown says:

      What endless recalls? Seem few and far between if we discount Taurus & Remington. The Mk IV was in no way rushed to production and the problem that cropped up would have been ignored by the two companies I mentioned. Ruger is extremely pro active when it comes to safety. Sent my Mk IV in (really did not exhibit the problem) to get the upgrade & free mag; back in less than 2 weeks including shipping time. Totally painless procedure. Modern manufacturing methods of many items are way different than from times past & are usually superior to the old method; just because something weighs less does not mean that it is inferior. If we want to talk totally unadulterated greed, look to health care & pharmaceutical companies.

      1. avatar cisco kid says:

        to unknown

        You must live in a cave just about every new gun that has come out in the last 20 years has had recalls or with Glock the lying bastards call it “upgrades” as if the average gun owner is too dumb to know the difference but sadly they are right most are. And don’t forget to include the Caracal or that plasticky pistol from Australia that took back every handgun they imported and smashed them flat. I could go on and on but anyone who has followed the gun industry in the last 20 years could name volumes more.

        Like Colt that had so many guns sent back with broker MIM cast parts they had to go back to some bar stock parts and then mix them with MIM cast parts just to make them last a bit longer

        or the Kimber auto’s that had so many MIM cast parts break you could write an encyclopedia on the screw.ups.

        Or the horror pictures of plasticky .380 handguns and .40 s&W handguns cracking their frames right behind the trigger guard.

        Or the Browning High Power post 1989 that cracks slides behind the firing pin slide retainer plate because of the ill conceived passive firing pin safety.

        Or the CZ ill conceived , el-cheapo modification of doing away with the firing pin retainer plate altogether and replacing it by simply putting a junk stamped sheet metal roll pin to hold in the firing pin that goes snap, crackle and pop when you dry fire the gun. As a matter of fact CZ gave me a bag full of junk plasticky snap caps with mine with dire warnings their junk pins would break if I dry fired the gun. Wow that breeds great confidence in a carry gun for defending your life with but hey when it comes to blind greed you the consumer are expendable.

        Or when Sig used only 1 junk stamped sheet metal roll pin to hold in the breach block but when that failed just did not use a quality forged solid pin but just put one smaller stamped sheet metal roll pin inside the already existing larger stamped sheet metal roll pin. I mean come on how much more would it have cost them just to put a quality sold pin in.

        Or when the Beretta 92’s started cracking slides and putting the shrapnel in peoples faces and teeth.

        Or when Remington changed the extractor on the 700 to a junk piece of stamped sheet metal that goes snap, crackle and pop and I have seen this happen many times.

        Or when Remington marketed their plastiky 380 disaster.

        Or when Remington to save exactly 5 cents designed an unsafe trigger for the M700

        Or the op rods that break on Berretta auto loading shotgun. A buddy of mine had a draw full of broken ones at this home.

        Or the Iver Johnson M1 Carbines that had junk cast op-rods that broke with only a couple of boxes of rounds fired out of them.

        Or the Springfield Armory M1A’s whose junk cast receivers were so soft that the dentent notches on the rear sight wore out in only 2 season of shooting.

        Or When sig marketed their single action .380 that had recalls.

        Or the early Glock 19’s that did not work

        Or the early Glock .45’s that did not feed

        Or the early Glock long slides that cracked

        Or last summer Glock had a recall on a new model and right now I cannot remember what the problem was but it was a recall.

        Or the early Ruger 9mm auto’s that flunked the U.S. Army trials with broken barrel links and had other jamming problems, that time even Old Bill could not figure it out so he hired two Engineers to work out the problems.

        Or the Taurus auto’s that went full auto when the safety was applied.

        Or the Bauer and later Frazer .25 auto’s that never worked from day one and both companies went out of business because they never did fix the jamming problems. Now how in the hell could they screw up an original Browning design that had been on the market since the 1930’s. Now that took real incompetence.

        Or the American made company Intratec that copied the Czech cz19 45 double action only .25 rather than work flawlessly like the original Czech design the American piece of trash never did work right

        Or how about the gas operated American made auto Rogak p18 pistol made in Illinois that was a copy of the Austrian made GB. The American made company went out of business because they could not even copy the design and make it work.

        Or the Budowsky .25 acp pistol

        I could go on and on and on but you get the picture.

      2. avatar cisco kid says:

        to Unknown————-

        Quote———————Investment cast Stainless & High grade steels are totally removed from ‘cast iron’. Since when are Rugers ‘crudely made’? Made tough to last several generations of use; why do you think that reloading manuals have “Ruger Only” sections for load data? As for ‘affordability’ get an inflation chart that goes back to the 1700’s and translate those dollars into today’s dollars; often very little difference & sometimes lower true cost. For example: $100 in 1970 equals $630.22 in 2017 dollars You can not compare $ to $ from what is often called ‘the good old days’. Today we have better overall products at often less comparable prices, like it or not.——————quote

        Brother if you cannot see the difference in workmanship between a Colt Python and a crudely mad Ruger GP100 you had better buy a new pair of glasses.

        And I lived through the 1950’s and 60’s so don’t tell me it was not way more affordable to buy guns back then. The cost of living was so low I bought a Browning High Power with part of only 1 pay check but today would have to save up for a year to buy one of the new High Powers. The cost of the gun has risen over 10 times and most wages have certainly not risen 10 times and the price of everything else has risen astronomically. If I had to start over today to build the same gun collection it would take me over 100 years easily and then maybe even longer.

        And you say better overall products. Man you must be on drugs. We have guns today made of junk plastic, junk stamped sheet metal and junk castings none of which even comes close to the forged guns with beautiful high gloss blued or nickeled finishes of yesteryear. I am sure the “old timers” right now are laughing their asses off at your comment about better products today.

        Have you ever noticed the fact that Browning did away with the tongue and groove slides to frame fit on their .22 autos and then cheapen them. Now you did not figure in all the manufacturing and engineering short cuts on many models like the example stated above. And no it does not count just because the new design may also work because it does not have the quality workmanship that makes one proud to own a firearm.

        I could tell you why Belgium made A5 shotguns bring more than the Japanese Made guns and no it was not the hillbilly belief that they had better workmanship rather it was the internal el cheapo engineering changes they made like replacing 4 tiny threaded screws with stamped sheet metal roll pins or the recoil assembly that had a plasticky buffer and doing away with the once piece carrier to a two piece carrier which made re-assembly so much more difficult. Sure they worked, but were they the same old fashioned quality that brought pride of ownership and ooh’s and ahh’s. Come one give us all a break, old timers are right now laughing their asses off on your statements.

        1. avatar Hrfdez says:

          Very good information and analysis.

    2. avatar TX Gun Gal says:

      Really so Rugers are not “real” guns? So guess you wouldn’t mind being shot with a Ruger?
      Companies are in business to make a profit, how is that greedy? Can someone even buy the guns you are so proud to own, without spending a bloody fortune for your precious “children”
      How about you live your life without telling us what “we” should buy to meet your expectations.
      I have little patience for handgun snobs. Get out there and enjoy your life and quit telling folks what they should have. For your own happiness, please give it a rest.

  26. avatar cisco kid says:

    Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year

    01/27/14 08:43 PM—Updated 01/28/14 01:11 PM

    By Clare Kim

    Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.

    The new study, led by researchers at the Yale School of Medicine, highlights the toll gun violence has on child mortality rates in the country. Doctors surveyed the most recently released data from 2009 that tracked pediatric hospital stays.

    “This study reinforces what we know from the mortality data,” Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, told NBC News. “We have an extraordinary health burden in our youth associated with firearms injuries.”

    In the 2009 Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), 7,391 children under the age of 20 had been hospitalized for injuries from firearms and the majority of those gunshot injuries —4,559—resulted from intentional firearm assaults. 2,149 of those injured were accidents, and 270 were suicide attempts. Of the children who were hospitalized, 453 – 6% – died from their injuries.

    “That’s more than 7,000 children injured badly enough to be hospitalized,” said the study’s lead author, Dr. John Leventhal, a pediatrics professor at the Yale School of Medicine. “All are unnecessary hospitalizations because preventing gun violence is something that can actually be done.”

    Levanthal pointed out that parents should keep their guns locked in a safe hiding place and keep them separate from the ammunition to decrease the high number of accidental injuries, especially for smaller children.

    Webster also suggested to NBC News that the government should make it illegal for individuals under 21 to own a firearm, referring to research that shows a peak in homicides between young adults age 18 and 20. “While you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun from a dealer, if you’re an 18-year-old you can go to a private seller and legally purchase a handgun in 38 out of 50 states,” Webster said.

    Webster also compared the U.S.’ standing with other high income nations and pointed out that the mortality rate from firearms in the U.S. is nearly 10 times higher than the rates in other wealthy nations. “This is a very unique and abnormal problem that such a wealthy nation should have such high mortality and morbidity in youth related to firearms,” he said.

    After the devastating tragedy at Sandy Hook in December 2012, the gun policy debate intensified, coinciding with the rising number of children killed by guns in the U.S. every year. In the first 14 school days of 2014, there have been at least 7 school shootings: at Wakefield Elementary School in Calif., Berrendo Middle School in New Mexico, Liberty Technology High School in Tenn., Albany High School in Georgia, Delaware Valley Charter School in Penn., Widener University in Penn., and most recently, Purdue University in Indiana. In 2013, there were 28 school shootings.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.”

    “America’s pediatricians remain undeterred and united in our desire to see significant policy change to address this public health crisis,” the AAP wrote on the one-year anniversary of Newtown, pushing for tighter background checks, an assault weapons ban, and federal research on gun violence prevention.

    1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

      Another rigged study. Do not accept others data unless their conclusion supports your beliefs . When they use the number that represents ” children ” they include up to age 25 or 26 and include injuries/ deaths that reflect gang violence and other illegal activity. This is not effected or controlled by a 21 yr old restriction or waiting periods etc. Restrictive laws on gun ownership have been proven to only effect law abiding gun owners that do not commit crimes. If you want to make a difference, you increase penalties on criminals, not create laws to restrict law abiding citizens constitutional rights.

      1. avatar cisco kid says:

        Quote————————Another rigged study. Do not accept others data unless their conclusion supports your beliefs . When they use the number that represents ” children ” they include up to age 25 or 26 and include injuries/ deaths that reflect gang violence and other illegal activity. This is not effected or controlled by a 21 yr old restriction or waiting periods etc. Restrictive laws on gun ownership have been proven to only effect law abiding gun owners that do not commit crimes. If you want to make a difference, you increase penalties on criminals, not create laws to restrict law abiding citizens constitutional rights.———————quote

        Yea sure tell me some more right wing bullshit. Your response is laughable. Yale school of medicine and Harvard are two of the most respected Universities not only in the U.S. but the world. And remember recently it was the Republicans that stated a University Education was not something that was always desirable or even necessary. Of course they would make that statement as the large percentage of educated people not part of the upper 1 per cent realize that educated people seldom vote Conservative as it is an insult to humanity.

        You give the same old totally ignorant response i.e. lock everyone up and the problems are solved. Like most Conservatives you knowledge of History is zero to none. The Nixon era’s war on drugs and the later idiotic 3 strikes and your out proved a humanitarian disaster. The U.S. ended up incarcerating a higher percentage of its population than many dictatorships including China. Now that is shocking to say the least. It not only incarcerated tens of thousands of people for minor crimes often as low as stealing a 1 dollar VCR tape but cost the States billions of wasted dollars and many people when released had not ever even used a computer and had not even the basic skills to find a job which was almost a guarantee some of them would end up in crime again. Brilliant idea but when was a Conservative not his own worst enemy.

        The criminalization of addiction to drugs is another boondoggle that most other Industrialized Nations have long done away with except the uncivilized hell hole we call the U.S. when dealing with people addicted to drugs. It is the drug dealers best friend and the incarceration of people addicted to drugs makes about as much sense as locking the door to the bar after the horse has escaped. But that is the level of intelligence you often get from Conservatives.

        The lack of Federal law vetting all gun purchases, safe storage both of gun stores and civilian use and the mandatory use of security systems that practically every other Civilized Nation has makes getting a handle on gun deaths and crime with guns a total impossibility. Study after Study has proven that European Nations and also Japan have way less violent gun crime than the U.S. does. Something the Conservatives ignore with a wave of the hand.

        The lack of Health Care which is a National Shame and an International Disgrace as well leaves people with no affordable mental health care and those who are a danger to society often are never put “into the system” to prevent them from buying new guns and of course they can buy all the used guns they want in any State because State laws are meaningless as States with lax laws funnel guns into States with strict laws.

        One of the major reasons young educated people are leaving the U.S. for good is lack of health care, lack of affordable retirement, lack of job opportunities and lack of affordable education and the crime rate that makes places like Europe, Canada and even the far East very attractive to people wanting to escape the U.S. which has become a Nation disintegrating much faster than the Roman Empire did.

        Yes the ignorant solution of lets “lock em up” reflects the Republican mimicking of drug run South American Countries who like to lock up their political opponents to destroy Democracy and since the U.S. is an absolute joke when it comes to Democracy that last desire by the Republicans would be the final end of Democracy in the U.S. once and for all.

        The only thing your forgot to advocate was your desire for every White Person to wear Nazi Arm Bands and laws to deport or kill everyone not White, Protestant and members of the “The Party”.

        1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

          Thank you for your input Barak.

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