Ya think? . . . Chicago Police’s ‘missing’ buyback gun points to inside job

As the BGA reports, the Chicago Police recover thousands of guns each year through buybacks, and confiscate thousands more when making arrests. The guns are supposed to be destroyed. But the gun the judged had turned in mysteriously popped up again in Cicero, at the scene of the shooting of 22-year-old Cesar A. Munive.

That shooting has a particularly bad feel about it. The Cicero police officer had a history of disciplinary problems, the victim’s family claimed in a civil rights suit that the officer shot an unarmed man, and the Cicero Town Council voted a few weeks ago to pay the family $3.5 million to settle the case.

What’s the over/under on how many months this blissful union lasts? . . . Pistol-Packing Bride Arrested for Pointing Gun at Groom

A Tennessee bride was arrested hours after saying “I do” when authorities say she pointed a gun at her groom.

Murfreesboro police Sgt. Kyle Evans told WTVF-TV on Monday that 25-year-old Kate Elizabeth Prichard was still in her wedding dress when she was arrested on an aggravated domestic assault charge.

That 40% statistic was always a load of horse crap . . . The gun-show loophole seems to have shrunk

If you follow debates in Virginia’s General Assembly, you might get the impression that the state could sharply curtail the violent-crime rate if only lawmakers would close the “gun-show loophole.” New data suggest the impression is mistaken. …

In fact, the claim has never held up well. Most criminals get their guns through other means, such as “sharing arrangements with fellow gang members,” according to a recent item in Newsweek. A survey of prison inmates by the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that gun shows accounted for less than 1 percent of the firearms used by felons.

Cops who make fatal mistakes should be held to account . . . It’s Time to Deal with the Police Threat to the Second Amendment

If past precedent holds, it’s likely that the officers who killed Ismael Lopez will be treated exactly like the officers in the Scott and Mendez cases. They won’t be prosecuted for crimes, and they’ll probably even be immune from civil suit, with the court following precedents holding that the officers didn’t violate Lopez’s “clearly established” constitutional rights when they approached the wrong house. After all, officers have their own rights of self-defense. What, exactly, are they supposed to do when a gun is pointed at their face?

In other words, the law typically allows officers to shoot innocent homeowners who are lawfully exercising their Second Amendment rights and then provides these same innocent victims with no compensation for the deaths and injuries that result. This is unacceptable, it’s unjust, and it undermines the Second Amendment.

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The Russkis apparently don’t have retention holsters . . . Three killed in Russia court after defendants grab officers’ guns

Three people being taken to trial in a Moscow court for robbery and murder were shot dead after they grabbed side-arms from court security officers in an attempt to escape, Russian law enforcement officials said on Tuesday.

Five defendants were in a lift in the Moscow regional court building when they seized the weapons from the two officers escorting them, the Investigative Committee, the state body which handles serious crimes, said in a statement.

When the lift stopped on the third floor of the building and the doors opened, three of the defendants tried to escape but were shot dead by Russian national guard officers. The two others defendants were seriously wounded, the statement said.

 

From the country that really knows how to build a shotgun . . . Italy’s Worst Machine Gun: The Breda Modello 30

The Breda Model 30 was the standard Italian light machine gun of World War II, and is a serious contender for “worst machine gun ever”. Yes, given the choice we would prefer to have a Chauchat (which really wasn’t as bad as people today generally think).

The Breda 30 suffered from all manner of problems. To begin with, it was far more complicated than necessary. The amount of machining needed to build one is mind boggling compared to contemporary guns like the ZB26/Bren or BAR. And for all that work, it just didn’t work well in combat conditions.

Remember, only highly trained law enforcement officials are qualified to carry a firearm . . . Orlando airport gun incident: Federal agent fires weapon accidentally at checkpoint

A federal officer accidentally shot his left foot late this morning in Orlando International Airport’s busy passenger lobby near the Hyatt hotel, startling scores of people who were nearby.

Law enforcement at the scene said the man was an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent from Kansas City on vacation.

Shotgun: the best tool for almost any job that needs doing . . . Badass 72-Year-Old Kills 17 Copperheads with Shovel, Shotgun

A fearless 72-year-old Oklahoma woman is making headlines after she killed 11 copperhead snakes that were hiding underneath her house.

According to WTVD, Susan Thompson was enjoying a visit with her neighbor, Mrs. Newby, when they made a terrifying discovery. A huge pile of snakes were slithering under her home. This would be a pretty frightening sight for most people, but Mrs. Newby was ready to take action. She used a shotgun, a shovel, and a rake handle to kill all 11 snakes by herself.

Speaking of bad-ass women . . . 60-year-old woman fatally shoots armed home intruder

The 60-year-old woman told deputies two armed men entered her home through the open garage door around 11:30 a.m.

“Both were armed with pistols, she confronted both suspects,” said Thomas Gilliland with HCSO.

The woman grabbed her own handgun and fired several shots at the suspects and they ran out the door.

One man collapsed and died in her front yard in the 20000 block of Fort Bowie Ct in the Sundown subdivision. Deputies found a gun near his body.

Sadly, a determined person always finds a way . . . Hanging takes over from guns in SA’s suicide capital

Hanging has replaced a bullet to the brain as the preferred method of killing yourself in South Africa’s suicide capital.

Of the 957 suicide cases handled by Pretoria’s medico-legal laboratory between 2007 and 2010‚ 43% had hung themselves‚ twice the number who used a gun.

An earlier study that analysed suicides in the city between 1997 and 2000 said guns were the most popular method‚ particularly among women.

 

51 Responses to Vedder Holsters Daily Digest: An Inside Job, Wedded Bliss and Another Orlando Airport Incident

  1. I love the Orlando Slantinel, both for its “reporting” and its comment section.

    My favorite comment:

    knightranger: This is why most people who carry concealed weapons don’t keep one in the chamber so as to prevent an accidental discharge when drawing the weapon or incidentally pulling the trigger. Takes an extra step to chamber a round but is much safer.

    Followed closely by this one, from someone identified as a “Senior Contributor:”

    cursethedarkness: I’m calling BS on this. No “Federal Agent” worth his salt carries his weapon charged AND cocked.

    I decided against arguing against either of these idiots. Shouting in a hurricane, it’d be.

  2. No knock warrants should not be rubber stamped. No knocks should rarely be used and only when absolutely necessary. Civilian lives matter. Innocent civilians safety is more important than cops that accept the dangers of their occupation.

    • No knock raids are theoretically to preserve evidence, right? so why not get separate arrest warrants and search warrants, executing the latter when no one is home, without special circumstances, such as it is a drug house that is open for business 24/7. There have been many many mistakes over the years, with many injuries and deaths. I do not know why the judges tolerate this conduct.

      I do not know how well officers do in defending against “wrong address” raids. I think it may not be as well as some might think; although an officer has a right of self defense, the fact is that the officer had no legal authority to be where he was at the time of the shooting. In other words, most of these cases are justified when the officer has a warrant for that address-, but I worked on one case where the officers had a warrant for a single wide but not the double wide next door–but they raided both, shooting one of the occupants of the double wide while doing so and terrorizing his family for several hours while they searched, unsuccessfully and illegally, for the drugs the people next door had been selling. the case was quickly and quietly settled out of court.

      • In Denver, 20 some years ago, a rookie cop climbed a ladder to the second floor of a house where he thought there was a DV suspect. Brave Officer Ranjan Ford saw a flash of light and fired instantly, saving his life and those of his partners, from…
        A deaf man, uncle of the DV victim, lying in his bed, holding a Pepsi can.

        He’s now DETECTIVE Ranjan Ford, I shit you not.

    • No knock raids really aught to be reserved for serious criminals like leaders of organized crime, terrorists, serial killers, serial rapists, and Clintonistas.

  3. The judges and magistrates who sign warrants must be held accountable too IMO.

    Judge shopping for a signature would cease if the above ever became common when necessary

  4. “the officers didn’t violate Lopez’s “clearly established” constitutional rights when they approached the wrong house…”

    Correct. The cops can knock on your door, as can the mailman, Jehovah Witnesses, Fed Ex guy, meter reader, etc. You don’t have the Constitutional Right to point a gun at any of those people. That’s the general principle. Variables can change that… if the cops are in plainclothes and busting down your door, for example. But we have no evidence of that here.

    “After all, officers have their own rights of self-defense. What, exactly, are they supposed to do when a gun is pointed at their face?” Correct, following from the former legal fact. Cops are legally knocking at your door, which means they can legally defend themselves if you threaten them with deadly force. The same would be true of the pizza deliveryman, btw, who finds someone pointing a gun at him.

    “In other words, the law typically allows officers to shoot innocent homeowners who are lawfully exercising their Second Amendment rights and then provides these same innocent victims with no compensation for the deaths and injuries that result. This is unacceptable, it’s unjust, and it undermines the Second Amendment.”

    You are not lawfully exercising your 2nd Amendment rights by brandishing a gun at people without good cause. That’s where this breaks down. Courts have found people ‘not guilty’ of shooting police who actually entered their homes, but merely being on the property? Nope. We don’t yet know in which category this situation falls.

    • Correct. The cops can knock on your door, as can the mailman, Jehovah Witnesses, Fed Ex guy, meter reader, etc. You don’t have the Constitutional Right to point a gun at any of those people.

      If they aren’t invited, umm, yes. Yes you do. They can’t actually see you doing it, but “brandishing” or “flourishing” requires them to witness the weapon. Pointing a gun at an uninvited, unexpected guest behind the door? Natch, it’s not a good general practice, but it’s perfectly legal.

      “After all, officers have their own rights of self-defense. What, exactly, are they supposed to do when a gun is pointed at their face?” Correct, following from the former legal fact. Cops are legally knocking at your door, which means they can legally defend themselves if you threaten them with deadly force. The same would be true of the pizza deliveryman, btw, who finds someone pointing a gun at him.”

      What’s a cop to do? Back the eff up, and profusely apologize. Defuse the situation. THAT’S the effing job, not shoot a correctly fearful citizen because you’re a pantywaist, in way over his head, at the wrong address. Good dog, this is sad utter cowardice of policing today. I’ve been ‘culturally enriched’ by the animals a few times – with a gun inches from my face. Guess how many people I’ve had to shoot because I couldn’t talk my way through it? And I didn’t have my body-armor, my gang on speed-dial, rolling with auto-guns, and all the violence the system sanction can bring.

      Being a cop means you might get shot, because you are there to actually “serve and protect”. Not kill dogs (if you can’t take a nip, or a bite, find a new job), or middle-aged white women in robes with cell phones (gosh, everybody knows how deadly they are).

      My family has done policing for several generations, back when it actually was a more dangerous job than driving a delivery truck. In places like Chicago, Philly, and such. The risk of getting shot was an accepted part of the job, not some black swan fluke as it is today,let alone actually dying.

    • Such asinine statist comments and you wonder why people don’t like or trust you lot. Most states take away the right of self defense if you provoked, escalated, or were engaged in illegal activities, or are somewhere you are not legally allowed to be. So under those instances that apply to us lesser animal, shooting someone who draws on us for trespassing on their property at midnight will not fly. And that is if the man in this case even had a damn gun. Of course the police will claim he did, would you expect anything else? Until these bastards are stripped of immunity and prosecuted things will never change.

  5. Train and protect?!? How unoriginal…how many reading this use the same ammo to shoot at the range and carry? Didn’t the Japs have some pretty crappy machine guns? Jus’ sayin’…

    • “how many reading this use the same ammo to shoot at the range and carry?”

      The only time I shoot my defensive ammo at the range is when I’m rotating it out of my carry piece and refreshing it with new.

      And that’s once every few months. The rest of the ammo I burn at the range is whatever is cheap at WalMart, typically Winchester white box.

      I suppose Ritchie Rich may plink with the ‘good stuff’, but I don’t often run in those circles.

      I have known some folks who are well-off, and a surprising percentage of them are cheap bastards, pissing and moaning about the cost of *everything*.

      (Yeah, I know, that’s how they got that wealthy…)

      • It’s about $.50/round on Lucky Gu nner. Not as expensive as Horna day Crit ical Defe nse, but twice as much as Federal RTP which is my usual range am mo.

        • Shit, I reload 9MM at 9 to 11 cents a round. No way in hell I’m gonna increase my range costs by 500%. In fact, I’ve seen some reman rounds selling at 14 cents a round. That’s like paying someone less than a nickel a round to collect the brass and do the reloading for you. I bought a thousand of them and didn’t have a single failure.

  6. Gun show loophole:
    (1) a cable, heavy string, or like object that is used to secure pistols at a display table at a gun show.
    (2) definitely not a method for criminals to acquire firearms see: gun buy-back [or] gun turn-in

    • Uhhhh, wat? Have you actually SEEN her? Link to her mugshot: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/enewscourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/52/d522cf5e-76de-11e7-9dae-8797dd5c8bcb/5980ba52e6b7d.image.jpg

      I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone has their preferences. But considering the lengths women go to to look their absolute BEST on their wedding day, and this is her in that state… I find it hard to believe ANYone would consider her “hot”.

      • The Hot, Crazy Matrix is a theorem stating that a woman must rate higher the hot scale than she does on the crazy to be worth hanging out with, dating, or marrying. There is a youtube video showing a graph to represent this. A woman who is super crazy without an equivalent level of hot is not worth the effort to win over. Michael referencing the Matrix is not saying this woman is hot, he is saying her levels of crazy are higher than her level of attractiveness. It’s actually a super funny video.

        In this case specifically, the woman is not nearly beautiful enough to warrant getting yourself killed over.

        Note, see also the Hot, Rich Matrix for guys.

        • Actually I applied the matrix before seeing her picture with the assumption that her hotness puts her in the crazy zone. That’s how the matrix works.
          There are other pictures of her that show her to be a very attractive young woman.
          That mugshot? Not so much.

        • It’s possible for a person to have a high level of hotness and a low level of crazy. It’s also possible to have a low level of hotness and a high level of crazy. The Matrix is a graph to help determine whether a person falls above the No Go Line or below it.

      • Not fair to judge by the mugshot. That’s worse than a DL photo.
        Do some research man. Google is your friend.
        When I read that a 25 year old newlywed pulled a gun on her groom, first thought was, she has to be hot as fuck.
        And she is.

        • Still isn’t hot, even in the nonmugshot. I would rate her among the lower 1/3 percentile of average. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you are either old(all sub 34 yr old females of less than 215lbs are hot), or have very very low standards.

        • That’s what’s great about getting older. More chicks to ogle at.
          Hey, I’ve earned that right.

          Side note, you’d hit that and you’re a liar if you say you wouldn’t.

      • “Uhhhh, wat? Have you actually SEEN her? Link to her mugshot: ”

        You’ve obviously never seen “Married to the Mob.”
        Or “Goodfellas.”
        She is the archetypal New York/New Jersey “good catch” right there.

  7. This is an argument in favor of empty chamber carry
    The news article said she pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger
    After that, she racked the slide and shot into the air
    I guess the warning shot comes second when it’s you honeymoon

  8. How can the police justify coming on to his property without cause? They had no reason to be there period. Making a mistake like that should void any immunity that they have. If it was a stray round that struck him during a gunfight i can see that. A mailmen , pizza delivery or fedex you have given them permisson in a way. The police where not chasing anyone nor where they investigating .

  9. The 4A secures our right against unreasonable searches and seizures. Reasonableness is the cornerstone of 4A jurisprudence.

    Is it reasonable to execute a warrant in someone’s home late at night? If I was a judge, I would make the police justify every aspect of their warrant. I would limit when they could execute the warrant. I generally find it unreasonable to call friends late at night without a really good reason. That goes double for pounding on a stranger’s door in the dead of night.

  10. “This is unacceptable, it’s unjust, and it undermines the Second Amendment.”

    That can’t be true. If it was, the NRA would have issued a statement already. Like in the Castile shooting.

    • The NRA likely never will as it involves police and their supporters are frequently police. Just a suspicion of mine.

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