Question of the Day: Too Soon?

The social media folks in Smyrna apparently thought better about this jab at their New Hampshire-based competitors and took the above Instagram post down. All may be fair in love and war, but as a brand maneuvering in today’s social media mine field, there are some lines you probably don’t want to cross. Did GLOCK go too far too soon?

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  1. avatar Gregolas says:

    Considering their losing the US Armed Forces contract to HK, supposedly b/c the New Kid on the Block being “Better”, I can understand a little “Neener-Neener” on Glock’s part.

    1. avatar J says:

      When did they “lose to HK”?

      1. avatar JasonM says:

        20 years ago in Europe maybe?

      2. avatar Gregolas says:

        Whoops, J, you’re right ! Must’ve been coffee-deprived.
        Sig ! A thousand pardons. They lost to Sig !
        (Maybe I need to brush up on my German….)

  2. avatar AZgunner says:

    I think it’s hysterical. Should have left it up.

    1. avatar OldLawProf says:

      Put it back up. I will on my sitem

    2. avatar PeterK says:

      It was dang funny. May it live on on the internet forever.

    3. avatar jwtaylor says:

      Tasteless and unprofessional, and still pretty damn funny. Wish they would have kept it up as well.

      1. And run it congruent with a back to school sale.

      2. avatar California Richard says:

        “Tasteless and unprofessional”…. yep! Just like Sig’s “we’ll take it from here” ads. Advertising, like politicking, has a certain amount of face slapping.
        https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/sig-ad-well-take-it-from-here.1646930/

    4. avatar Joel says:

      I think it’s hilarious.
      Another vote for ‘should’ve left it up.’

  3. avatar GS650G says:

    Not at all. I’ll pickup my walther instead.

    1. avatar Rex Van Buren says:

      M&P here.

    2. avatar MG says:

      I was lead to believe Glock was the only option for P320 replacement? Confused!

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        “led”

    3. avatar John Doe says:

      I’ll stick with Glock, since no one else makes a decent carry size 10mm.

  4. avatar jwtaylor says:

    Actually I read that as a challenge from Glock to video accidental discharges from dropping their guns.
    Ok Internet, looks like you can take it from here.

  5. avatar W says:

    Not at all. Sig continues to play up “must pull trigger to disassemble,” even while they try to deal with their own drop test failures. So, Sig was throwing stones long before those Glock posts (on Glock’s Facebook and Instagram).

    Remember what they say about karma.

    1. avatar jwtaylor says:

      I remember something Glock has apparently forgotten.

      From http://reducerecoil.com/2015/03/difference-between-glock-gen1-glock-gen2-glock-gen3-glock-gen4/

      “This was the end of the Generation one with the introduction of the Glock “upgrade kit”. The upgrade kit included 6 parts.
      Extractor
      Spring-loaded bearing
      Firing pin safety and spring
      Firing Pin
      Striker
      Trigger Bar

      This was billed by Glock as an “upgrade” to their perfect gun. In fact the Glock had been deemed so unsafe by a DEA test known as the “Frisbee Test” it risked losing all of its government contracts. It was the first “recall” on a firearm of this scale effecting somewhere between 385,000 to 500,000 Glock Handguns, no knives were recalled. The recall number reflects 100% of the guns made until that point and it took until 1998 to have even Glock itself declare that they got them all.”

      Sound familiar yet?

      1. avatar Joel says:

        So basically Sig didn’t learn from Glocks mistake?

        1. avatar jwtaylor says:

          In looking at their identical response, it looks like they learned a lot. Specifically, fanboys have short memories.

  6. Too soon? Is that a serious question?
    That is a question you ask after someone dies.

    1. avatar Joe R. says:

      So someone has to die for GLOCK to be rude?

      no

      1. The question wasn’t “is Glock being rude”, which they aren’t. The question was “is it too soon for Glock to be rude” which it isn’t.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Dude, it’s too soon to say that it’s ok to stand up for GLOCK.

        2. I’d say it’s too late to bash Glock…
          by about 30 years.

        3. avatar Joe R. says:

          No, if it’s 30 years, you definitely mean Beretta.

        4. No, that would be 300 years.

  7. avatar Joe R. says:

    In the battle for 3rd, GLOCK rates pretty high up there.

  8. avatar Sheepdog6 says:

    Glock 17M…IMPD…August 2016.

  9. avatar Mr.Savage says:

    won’t buy glock anyway, so doesn’t matter to me, maybe their sales are down?

  10. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Glock Inc. should point out that other companies have problems. Too soon implies some huge number of people died. This was discovered before that could happen.

  11. avatar Mr. Pierogie says:

    Did Glock go too far?

    Seriously? It’s a joke…just like Sig pistols.

    I didn’t know TTAG was shilling for both FN and Sig.

    1. avatar little horn says:

      fanboy alert
      gonna tell us about the reptilian shapeshifters next?

      1. avatar Herp says:

        The fact that Glock is objectively better than Sig should not leave him branded a fanboy. Glock has carved out a pretty worthy legacy and should have won the us military contract. That the government failed to appropriately vet the Sig after spending MILLIONS to do just that even though the market had already vetted the Glock to a higher standard is beyond the pale, and the fact that you think WE are the crazy ones just goes to show how unassailable the shape shifting lizard theory has become. The world is in danger, and we need good, drop safe Glocks to stop the aliens.

        1. avatar MG says:

          The “fact” that the Glock is objectively better than Sig does not make Glock a modular handgun which is suitable to compete in a Modular Handgun System competition. If we are going to call Glocks modular we should just go back to the 1911 which is way more modular than a Glock. Don’t get me wrong, Glock would make for a great standard issue non-modular pistol.

        2. What’s so modular about the 320? It’s a fucking handgun. Not a pair of hand made Italian dress shoes.
          If you have a hand, you can shoot a one size fits all handgun.
          So you can change the Color of the frame. BFD.
          Modularity is overrated in a handgun. In other words, it doesn’t matter.

        3. avatar jwtaylor says:

          Michael in GA, modularity was a key issue to the military for some pretty good reasons, and reasons they got from working with Glocks as well as the current M9.
          Grip sizes were important, as a grip that is too large was the biggest complaint from soldiers. Many female soldiers, and others with small hands, had a difficult time with the 92FS/M9. But people like me found it very comfortable. The army wanted the user to be able to change grip sizes.
          The ability to change from 9mm to 40 cal was wanted, as current SF units sometimes shoot the 9, and sometimes the 40, and the army was looking forward in the future to give individual teams that option in the same pistol, as well as knowing that they might pick a different round other than the 9mm NATO, maybe the 357SIG, in the future (fat chance of that, in my rarely humble opinion.)
          The ability to easily swap the slide length or frame size was important, as SOCOM sometimes asks for a compact weapon, usually a G19 for non-uniformed duty, but the rest of the time to use a full size duty pistol.

          All of that said, I still think sticking with the M9, but turning it into the G model, would have been the right choice.

    2. avatar Alfred E. Newman says:

      Sounds like your glock has you feeling pretty insecure.

    3. avatar Nick says:

      THe P320 maybe, but my 226 and 227 are awesome. Not too many metal frame double stack pistols on the market these days. Too many went to polymer and never looked back.

      1. avatar Nate says:

        Nothing wrong with my good old SP2022 either…but most days, my G23 finds its way on my side.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          Dig the 2022 in both .40 S&W and 9MM. Lot like the Sig 2340, I have had problems with the (similar to both) frame’s wire retention of the “Slide Catch Lever” and it tends to walk out to the left while firing at any moderate speed.

  12. avatar Justin says:

    From the people that brought you the term “Glock Leg”?
    Is this pot calling the kettle?

    1. avatar J says:

      “Glock leg” is user error. Failing a drop test is just bad engineering, something ive come to expect from sig over the past 15 years. As long as cohen remains in charge, ill never buy another one of their products.

      1. avatar Mr. Pierogie says:

        What’s worse is that they must have known about it for some time. How else do you explain Sig issuing a solution basically a day or two after the problem became too big to ignore? They had a nice PR stunt lined up as well, including this website.

        Remember when Springfield had an issue with grip safeties on their XDs models? That took a while to solve. What about Caracal? But Sig just happens to have a solution two days after people make a big stink about it? Riiiiight.

  13. avatar Norincojay says:

    That’s a good one!

  14. avatar Sampson Simpson says:

    Stop being such overly sensitive pansies – there’s no such thing as too soon when it comes to poking fun.

  15. avatar Shootespeare says:

    Hahahahaha!!! And I own 3 P320’s and have sold all 4 Glocks I had over the years. Bravo, Glock! That’s funny!

    1. avatar Baldwin says:

      Had a Glock, my third one over the years. Sold it and got a P320. Am now shooting far better since I can actually get my finger inside the trigger guard, unlike the munchkin sized guard on the Glock. Love my P320 and will not be “upgrading” since I don’t consider it broken. All firearms require care and attention.

      Now, having said that, I am very curious about how SIG has an upgrade so quickly after this story broke and if they had it all along, when were they planning on telling their customers if the story had not come out?

      1. avatar Evan says:

        From what I read, they’re using the M17 MHS trigger in the P320. There were minor differences. The weight or mass of the P320 trigger was what was causing the issue, and the M17 MHS trigger is “skeletonize” so there’s not enough inertia to release the striker on that version when it’s dropped.

        1. avatar Baldwin says:

          Is the lower weight of the M17 trigger coincidental or intentional for the purpose of making the pistol more drop safe? If it was intentional, SIG has known about this issue for a very long time. Do military handguns need to be more drop safe than civilian handguns?

          Again, I am still satisfied that what I have is safe for my purposes.

  16. avatar Parnell says:

    I own Glocks, I own Sigs, I own other brands. That said, I think it was funny. Just like the Walmart picture. People have to lighten up. Laugh, it won’t kill you.

  17. avatar Evan says:

    Considering Glock’s long and tedious history with “upgrades”, they don’t have a leg to stand on.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20080604164428/http://www.thegunzone.com:80/glock/upgrade-faq.html

  18. avatar Joe in NC says:

    Hilarious? Put it back up?

  19. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    Nah, they could leave it up. The fanboys can be offended and kick off another caliber wars-esque debate. That said, be careful what you say you never know when you’ll be next!

  20. avatar michael says:

    I think it is great! As I said the other day, if your ego is so wrapped up in a brand it makes up part of your identity, you need to seek help. Glocks aren’t perfection, but I like mine (as well as my smiths, rugers, Taurus, berettas, and colts).

  21. avatar Jon in CO says:

    I think it’s funny, the asshurt coming from non-Glock people. Their only argument is “Glock leg” or “how many ND’s have glocks had” etc. This goes back to the “the gun didn’t shoot someone, a person shot someone”, yet when it comes to Glock, it’s always the guns fault. It’s either people or it’s not. Man up. Stop pulling the trigger.

    Just because you can site someone shooting themselves, doesn’t mean the gun sucks.

    Side note to TTAG: please fix the comments. It’s irritating having to put in info every time.

    1. avatar jwtaylor says:

      It’s only their argument if they don’t remember Glock’s “voluntary upgrade” of all of their 500,000 Gen 1 pistols, which took them something like 7 years to complete after failing drop tests and slam fires. That’s not even considering the 40 cal exploding barrels.

  22. avatar former water walker says:

    LOL..who cares? Except Sig lovers. All over FB. Although a lot of GLOCKboys get their panties bunched when you talk about ND’s and GLOCK’s blowing up(never the gun-always the ammo)😄😄😄😄

  23. avatar Mikele Deziell says:

    LOVE Glock!
    LOVE Sig Sauer
    Both have had their UPS and downs when releasing new models. I personally own G19s and P320s. Both have had problems that were/are being fixed.
    I think the memes and jabs at each other are hilarious personally.

  24. avatar Ron says:

    Too soon? More like someone reminded them of their rather lengthy list of goofs and QA fails, both past and recent. Careful now Glock, that house in Smyrna has a lot of glass walls.

    The Glock 17M with Glock’s exclusive Slide Shedding Weight Reduction Technology. Patent Pending.

  25. avatar DWQ says:

    It’ll save lives. Instead of shooting at the perp you just toss it like a grenade.

  26. avatar Tim U says:

    Considering that Sig poked fun at Glock with their advertising about perfection …. Completely fair. And it was hilarious.

  27. avatar Shwiggie says:

    Marketing is about distinguishing yourself from the competition. It was funny, true (ish), and doesn’t dance on anybody’s grave…therefore I declare it to be fair play.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll get back to cleaning my CZs….

    1. avatar DampPowder says:

      ^ “SCHWING!!”

      Right on, Brother!
      CZ👍

    2. avatar Badgerman says:

      “Czech yourself before you wreck yourself!” Love my CZ’s.

  28. avatar Lawdawg04 says:

    Some good-natured ribbing among competitors is healthy for competition.

  29. avatar Accur81 says:

    When I get a GLOCK, I install a number of upgrades. If you want a better trigger, sights, handling, etc., then you’ll have to upgrade most polymer handguns. Guess I’d have to do the same with a 320.

  30. avatar Nynemillameetuh says:

    CRIPPLE FIGHT!

  31. avatar Timothy says:

    Glock should absolutely get to capitalize on another company’s mistakes. I don’t like Glocks personally so it won’t change my mind. Lots of new pistols stumble and Sig stumbled over this one. Sig ripped Glock when they dropped the ball, the reverse is completely fair.

  32. avatar Kevin C says:

    If only Glocks looked more like firearms. The baby Glocks are tolerable though, being babies and all.

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