Obscure Object of Desire: AR-15 Drone Defender

The image above – courtesy dailymail.co.uk — is slightly incendiary. The drones used by IS and its allies don’t look like that weird plane in the original Indian Jones movie. And there hasn’t been an incident where members of the Islamic death cult have deployed [obviously smaller] bombs on drones have been used against Allied forces in Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan. Yet. But, as the report indicates . . .

They are using drones for surveillance, which is a tactical advantage for the bad guys. Enter the AR-15 drone defender.

When the drones in Afghanistan are spotted over the New Kabul Compound they are disabled by US soldiers using the AR-15 Drone Defender, which looks like a rifle with an antenna mechanism to the front and has a range of more than 1,300ft.

Instead of firing bullets, its radio waves disrupt the signal controlling the drones, forcing them to fall to the ground . . .
Major Paul Martin, of the 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment, said there had been 68 drone sightings in the past two years over the Kabul compound where a total of 150 British troops are based.

It is not clear, however, if the drones are being sent by civilians or insurgents.

The regiment’s commanding officer, Lt Col Graham Shannon, said: ‘They could be rich kids or they could be the bad guys.’

There are several Drone Defenders on the base which US soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division are trained to use.

Of course, this raises the problem of bad guys using drone defenders to knock our drones from the sky. One assumes that our drones are now protected against radio wave interference.

And so it goes. But I have to say: I’d like to have a drone defender, too. Not because there are regular drone flights over TTAG’s secret above ground bunker. Because if the s hits the f, drones will be used against American citizens.

That’s Mr. paranoid insurrectionist to you Bub. [/sarc]

comments

  1. avatar Ed says:

    I live in the U.S.A. our Drone defenders ARE AR-15s….and AK-47s…..and KSGs. (Insert preferred drone defender here).
    Poor Fog eaters, they gave up their real drone defenders.

    1. avatar Snatchums says:

      I don’t think I’d want to be firing upwards at a drone like that with any kind of rifle. Shotgun, hell yeah blast away….. just be prepared to spend some time in the clink, as far as the feds are concerned firing at a drone is the same as firing at a manned aircraft.

      Don’t think they’ve actually thrown the book at anyone for it yet but as much as I disagree with it, it’s still illegal.

      Even using that thing in the US would probably be an FCC violation

      1. avatar Big Bill says:

        In a SHTF situation, as Robert described, I think the illegality of such drone busting would be the least of your problems.

        1. avatar Snatchums says:

          Yeah, SHTF give ’em all you got. But in the current state of affairs if you had someone with a quadcopter filming your wife change in the bedroom and you bust out that KSG and take down the drone, YOU’RE the one that might be going to jail.

  2. avatar Shire-man says:

    Looks like an ad ripped from the back pages of boys life. Maybe I’ll get one once I finish my kit helicopter and all my sea monkeys die.

    1. avatar Timmy! says:

      DUDE! Put some of those X-ray Specs on the camera!

    2. avatar What About Bob says:

      Hell, after spotting it with my pocket telescope, I’d just ride up in my hovercraft (powered by a vacuum motor) and beat it silly once I get my “muscles in days” kit in the mail.

      1. avatar M1Lou says:

        Wow, you bring back some memories there. I always wanted the vaccuum cleaner hovercraft, but none of the other crap.

  3. avatar c4v3man says:

    Uhh… unless you’re dealing with some ancient hobbyist equipment, you’re not “taking control” over anything… worst thing you can do with an “ar15 jammer” would be cause enough interference that would cause it to run on a pre-programmed mission on autopilot. That may result in the drone landing safely, or it may result in the drone flying in circles until it regains signal and/or runs out of battery and falls out of the sky. But computing power is so cheap nowadays that most consumer drones have the ability to pre-program in a mission so you don’t even need to communicate with the drone while it does what you told it to do. That graphic is as bad as a picture of an AR-15 calling out the “full auto selector switch” it doesn’t actually have, and the “30 round clip” next to the inhumane quad rail that houses grenade launchers and high-precision laser systems.

    1. avatar Matt says:

      I was thinking the same thing. There is a big difference between a jammer and a spoofer.

    2. avatar 16V says:

      c4v3man, Already exists, was done at least a year ago. Drones are all on WiFi, so hijacking them is rather simple if you’re a hacker worth a f. I can’t do it, but I know a coupla 12 years olds that can.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/icarus-gadget-hijack-almost-any-drone-mid-flight-2016-10

      http://www.popsci.com/learn-how-to-disable-popular-drone-with-cheap-computer

      You can steal Teslas rather easily too, if you’re good.

      1. avatar c4v3man says:

        Yup, drone toys use Wifi. That doesn’t even count as amateur hobbyist equipment, let alone commercial or military grade drones. That’s like saying if Grandma’s 10 year old wifi router was hacked that you can intercept phone calls off your closest cell tower. Wifi is grossly inefficient, laggy, and typically too short range for serious drone use, besides the fact that the 2.4Ghz frequency band is oversaturated and noisy. I did ‘first-person-video’ flights just as drones were starting to come down into the commercial space 7-10 years ago, and even though I only casually pursued it, I still went through the brief testing to become a Ham so I could use non-standard frequencies. Serious amateurs, commercial operators, and the military are either similarly licensed or using dedicated frequency in the case of the military units I’d imagine.

  4. avatar Totemic Monkey says:

    Hate to be a stickler, but that picture doesn’t look anything like a B-1. It vaguely resembles a B-2, more closely a YB-35, though with fewer propellers.
    As many complaints as there are about news organizations calling every pistol a Glock, or every black rifle an AR-15, you should make sure you don’t do the same when talking about subjects other than guns.

    1. avatar Alan Esworthy says:

      I see your stickler and raise you a pedant.

      The closest actual working aircraft would be the Northrop N-1M, a test unit preceding what became the YB-35 (prop) and YB-49 (jet) flying wings. There were earlier and later test aircraft, but I’ve seen this one up close myself as it was being restored for Smithsonian display. Very cool machine!

  5. avatar I1ULUZ says:

    B1? Guess your Assault Rifle has a clip in it too? B2 bomber maybe, we give the left holy heII about being wrong 😉

    And in Iraq IS has been using drones to drop nasty things down on friendlies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uw0KWhYAoY

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/25/how-isis-is-turning-commercial-drones-into-weapons-in-battle-for-mosul.html

    As far back as mid ’90’s DoD worried about remote control attacks, very crude counter measure compared to today but was still installed when deployed.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      1. Not only was ISIS using drones to drop “bombs” (more like grenades shaped like mortar shells), so was the Iraqi Army. Get with the news there Robert.
      2. Further, there ARE drones shaped like this, but the ones in use in war zones are usually the four rotor designs.
      3. OUR drones fly at 20,000 feet, more often than not, rely on encrypted communication links, and are not susceptible to devices such as this.

  6. avatar Noishkel says:

    … how about the right to keep and arm drones? Not even ones armed only with pepper balls? Anyone? Anyone? >,,> :p

  7. avatar samuraichatter says:

    RF,

    If you want to shoot an AR-15 drone defender all you have to do is ask Nick. Cuz clearly that is him shooing it in the picture 🙂

  8. avatar Lucas D. says:

    The drones used by IS and its allies don’t look like that weird plane in the original Indian Jones movie.

    Oh yeah, Indian Jones and the Plunderers of the Missing Repository sure was a great movie. Almost as good as the original Space Skirmishes trilogy.

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      The V series rockets and Me-262 were evidence that the Germans were very serious about developing the latest in military hardware. I can’t think of anything unique that we had, other than The Bomb. Good thing the Axis didn’t have THAT.

      1. avatar Lucas D. says:

        No no, you’re thinking of Indiana Jones; RF is referring to the plane from Indian Jones.

  9. avatar Ironhead says:

    So if i attach a hedge trimmer to my front sight post and a piece of cheese on a stick to my bayonet lug im all good?

  10. avatar John says:

    obviously electronic interference/spoofing is the safest method, but probably the least effective compared to other options.

    sending an attack drone to capture/disable/destroy an intruding drone is mostly safe, mostly effective, but costly, requires logistical support and the attack drone may not always be available.

    the best method to defend a base, in a war zone, should be a kinetic projectile (rifle) deployed with a computerized, automated tracking system. costly but the most reliable and effective. easily within reach of today’s technology. calibers for ranges out to 300 yards might be .17 Hornet or .17 Remington, extreme ranges might use .204 Ruger, close range (<100 yds) might use plastic slugs from a small bore rifled shotgun barrel (.410-20 ga.) or large .45-.50 cal rifle barrel, which have a high initial velocity but quickly dissipate, slow down and simply fall to the ground whenever they miss the target.

    no-fire azimuths and trajectories can be programmed in to avoid friendly fire on known locations, still leaving plenty of the intruding drone's flight path subject to interception.

    1. avatar c123 says:

      what you’re referring to is C-RAM, and we’ve had it for a really really really really long time

  11. avatar The Gray Poseur says:

    I am definitely going to look at getting one of these for my upcoming trip hunting Ocellated Turkey in the Yucatán Peninsula.

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      with habanero stuffing.

  12. avatar Anonymous says:

    I don’t know what this thing is talking about. My drone is programmed to target jamming radio devices then return to a specified location if the targeted jamming failed.

    1. avatar Noishkel says:

      I comment a radio that doesn’t operate on the usual frequency ranges. Also been thinking a network of Li-Dar connected drops to bounce signals with IR light pulses.

      Plus there’s also that sslliigghhtt problem that if you’re broadcasting RF than it makes it really really easy to send something guided and nasty back towards the unfortunate SOB holding that thing. Arm it right and you could turn an entire squad into red mist and bone chips.

  13. avatar CCDWGuy says:

    I own and fly drones, most are made in China. Drones that can access GPS , follow maps and such all have individual MAC Addresses. So the Chinese company could in all actually disable or possibly enable those drones to do their bidding. DJI is the most common with the most sophisticated capabilities. Just think of a couple hundred of them being taken over and run to a specific target even without weapons. A great deal of hurt or disruption could be involved.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      I’ve got a dji4. Love this thing. I flew it over a fireworks display on July 4th.
      Freeking awesome video in 4K.
      I’ll be doing it again at a local display next weekend. Closer this time.

    2. avatar Noishkel says:

      Forget about all the commercial stuff coming in. People are making their own drones out of individual parts. IN fact there’s been a number of completely homemade drones being used for contraband smuggling in and out of prisons.

      The hard truth of this is that this was always bound to happen. People were already building radio controlled air plaes. It was only a matter of time before someone had the idea to strap a camera onto the thing. Make my words, give it 10 years. You’ll see entire swarms of things doing long range smuggling.

  14. avatar c123 says:

    Actually, Daesh, Taliban, Haqqani, and Al Qaeda have all been caught using drones that look exactly like that. (You can find open source reporting with drones that look exactly like that). The flying wing allows them to carry a larger payload than most quadcopter drones, and its incredibly cheap.

    https://www.quora.com/Where-did-ISIS-get-drones-from

    And additionally they have used small bombs dropped from small drones, effectively in fact, in Iraq against Iraqi forces (you can look it up). They have used the larger flying wing shaped drones because they can carry a decent payload.

    The capability has existed for years, might wanna do a little research.

    Also, if you think we don’t have better countermeasures than an anti drone gun, you’re kidding yourself.

    As far as whether something like this would affect a government operated drone….you’ll just have to get yourself a security clearance and look it up 🙂

  15. avatar Jim says:

    Wouldn’t worry about its use against real military drones. This thing is designed to deal with hobbiest drones. Predators and their ilk fly thousands of feet in the air. This device has a range of 1,300 feet.

    If you’re worried about defending against real drones used on American citizens in a SHTF scenario, I’d start shopping for a propper SAM system as that’s what it will take to knock down real drones.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      It would probably be easier to go shoot the operator.

  16. avatar little horn says:

    im pretty sure we all already have a drone defender. a 10-22/shotgun.

  17. avatar Seth Hill says:

    Back to working on my EMP gun, I see a market.

  18. avatar Docduracoat says:

    As others have said, the drone defense against this is to fly a preprogrammed course so the drone ignores radio signals entirely
    I think the best military defense would be a drone dragging a net through the sky to catch the enemy drone
    Shooting at, or interfering with drones in the United States is a federal offense as the FAA classifies them as aircraft
    Even if it is over your property, you cannot attack them as You do not own that airspace and it is allowed to look in your window
    Obviously there
    will be a lot of law to be litigated about these as drones have already been used for stalking, harassment and peeping

  19. avatar Sam H says:

    I need this for my neighbors kid who fly’s his drone near my home.

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