It Should Have Been a Defensive Gun Use: Swiss Chainsaw Edition

On Monday, a man walked into the office of an insurance firm in the Swiss city of Schaffhausen and began attacking people with a chainsaw. He wounded at least five people and sparked a massive manhunt along the nation’s border with Germany.

The alleged attacker has been identified as 51-year-old Franz Wrousis, a person who apparently “has spent significant time living in a forest.” Mr.Wrousis has two prior convictions for weapons charges according to Agence France-Presse.

Swiss police don’t believe that Mr. Wrousis’ attack was “a terrorist act” (presumably a euphemism for violence inspired by the Islamic faith, as his victims were certainly terrorized). They believe it was related to some sort of quarrel with the firm itself.

Police were alerted “about 10 minutes after the attack began” — validating once again the old saw (so to speak) about police responsiveness when seconds count.

One of the victims suffered serious wounds, and all were hospitalized after the attack. Various news sources indicate that none of the injured have life-threatening wounds.

Firearms ownership is relatively common in the Swiss Confederation which has taken a more sophisticated approach to firearms laws than their European neighbors. Swiss men between the ages of 18 and 34 are required to do military service, during which they are issued rifles and pistols that they keep at home.

According to a 2007 survey, the Swiss have the world’s third highest rate of firearms ownership on a per capita basis.

The BBC reports that Swiss citizens are given the option to purchase these weapons after their service obligation is completed, and many choose to do so. In recent years, Swiss voters have rejected several recent efforts to impose more stringent gun control.

Switzerland does have some restrictive gun laws, though, and doesn’t have a tradition of carrying of firearms for personal self defense. Swiss citizens may apply for a concealed carry license, but they are issued parsimoniously.

The right isn’t respected for all persons. Resident aliens from certain countries are specifically denied the right to purchase a firearm: Algeria, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Serbia, and Turkey.

In this case, the lack of an armed civilian firearms on the scene, coupled with an untimely police response, allowed this attack to occur without resistance. And enabled the perpetrator’s escape.

It should have been a defensive gun use.

comments

  1. avatar jwtaylor says:

    Quit fuggin, that dude’s an actual troll. A straight up living in the dark forest troll.

    1. avatar ORCON says:

      Nailed it!

    2. avatar jwm says:

      An angry troll with a chain saw. I saw a guy get bit by a chain saw one time. That was ugly.

    3. avatar Johannes Paulsen says:

      We loves our precious.

    4. avatar barnbwt says:

      More like “Should Have Been a Late-Term Abortion”

      Also, what kind of douche chooses a chainsaw in a nation with so many weapons (in a region with so many weapons)? I thought we’d all learned how bad a weapon they were back in Dead Rising?

  2. avatar M2AP says:

    I believe something like only 11% of demobilizing troops in 2015 chose to keep their rifles though.

    1. avatar Johannes Paulsen says:

      If you have a source for that, please send it our way. Will update the article. JKP

      1. avatar M2AP says:

        “In 2015, 11 percent of the 20,600 soldiers who left the Swiss Army opted to keep their assault rifles which upon departure are modified to fire single shots. The number of soldiers choosing to keep their weapons has been declining for several years.”

        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-eu-guns-idUSKCN1161KT

        “Although it is still possible for a former soldier to buy his firearm after he finishes military service, he must provide a justification for keeping the weapon and apply for a permit.”

        http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

        1. avatar Ing says:

          I’m guessing “I want to keep it” isn’t considered a justification…

  3. avatar former water walker says:

    Switzerland is one of the few countries I’d like to visit in Europa… now you tell me they have actual forest trolls roaming the cantons 🙂

  4. avatar Curtis in IL says:

    “Resident aliens from certain countries are specifically denied the right to purchase a firearm: Algeria, Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Serbia, and Turkey.”

    Gosh, I can’t think of a single thing all those nations have in common.

    Anyone?

    1. avatar OrkinMan says:

      hairy women?

    2. avatar former water walker says:

      Names ending in vowels?!? 😉

    3. avatar Wyvern says:

      It isn’t religion, because Serbia is about 90% Christian and Macedonia is about 65% Christian.

      1. avatar ThomasR says:

        Ah, but I think it would be the other percentile that isn’t Christian they are worrying about.

      2. avatar Richard McGannon, Esq. says:

        …for now

    4. avatar Johannes Paulsen says:

      Not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier, I think.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        Little dogs gots grenades?

        1. avatar Big Bill says:

          “Little dogs gots grenades?”

          I have two – they drop little grenades all over the place.

    5. avatar barnbwt says:

      Indigent-gypsies, or similarly-affiliated trailer-folk? Switzerland’s been a gated-community for a long, long time, so tiered restrictions on outsiders are kind of to be expected.

      1. avatar Klause Von Schmitto says:

        Bingo! You win.

  5. avatar Vitsaus says:

    I might be wrong, but Switzerland is also one of the few countries that have direct democracy for passing major laws.

    1. avatar OrkinMan says:

      Not exactly. The country is a federation. Each Canton has elections for representatives and that is direct. However if the federal government is going to do anything then it requires a unanimous vote of all the cantons. That just means a majority vote in each Canton. The cantons are analogous to u.s. States

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        More analogous to our original Articles of Confederation if I understand correctly, only limited to a socio-geographic scale where it can actually work (the US was already too far-flung & diverse in 1776 to function as a committee of states alone, hence the Executive branch and superior court [both of which subsequently grew like garden-weeds])

  6. avatar Hannibal says:

    Who took those photos and why? What is going on there?

    Also, the results show that, video games and movies aside, chainsaws are a pretty crappy weapon.

    1. avatar CTstooge says:

      I’m amazed nobody took the saw away from that weedy little gnome and stuck it up his ass.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        “I’m amazed nobody took the saw away from that weedy little gnome and stuck it up his ass.”

        ‘The Running Man’ (1987)

        “What happened to Buzzsaw?” “He had to split.”

    2. avatar RidgeRunner says:

      Trail cam photo

  7. avatar BCNU says:

    Is this what passes for a mug shot there?

  8. avatar stateisevil says:

    Is the 3 guns thing new? That was not true a few years ago. Assuming the person I knew had them legally, which I think they did.

    1. avatar Johannes Paulsen says:

      I can’t find the source for that — thought I had it in my notes, but can’t find it. I have removed that line. Apologies.

      1. avatar M2AP says:

        I thought it was three semi-auto or otherwise restricted firearms are allowed to be purchased on each permit, but you can always apply for more permits. For non-restricted manually operated firearms, no permit is needed, just some background check certificate.

  9. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Is it just me, or does that guy look REALLY discouraged and disenfranchised?

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      He’s a Hillary supporter…

      1. avatar jwm says:

        comrade more dead soldiers. An actual troll.

  10. avatar HoJo says:

    Should’ve been a defensive chainsaw use. Just imagine how epic a chainsaw fight with an actual troll would be… on a mountain no less.

  11. avatar The Rookie says:

    Man, the guy from Jackyl has really let himself go!

  12. avatar Mike Betts says:

    “The Schaffhausen Chainsaw Massacre”? Somehow that seems to lack panache.

  13. avatar JF says:

    A Swiss guy here… We can have more than 3 guns, but we apply with a form for up to 3 guns each time. Which is normally just a formality, but costs us 50 bucks. There are basically no CC licenses and we have very strict laws how to keep the weapona secured, transported and so on.

    About the restricted countries: They have been in wars/civil wars in the last 20+ years and the fear was, they would buy guns here and take them there and stuff like that or learn to shoot and use guns and go back fo use that knowledge.

  14. avatar Richard McGannon, Esq. says:

    1 2″x4″ board longer than the chain saw should have ended the attack. A baseball bat would have worked well too, but There are no Swiss baseball leagues so I imagine baseball bats are hard to come by in any of the cantons.

    1. avatar Big E says:

      Not disagreeing with you, but honestly I wouldn’t be eager to engage a guy (even a retard like this) who had a Chainsaw. Obviously I would if necessary, but a chainsaw is pretty intimidating.

  15. avatar Molon Labe CH says:

    ” doesn’t have a tradition of carrying of firearms for personal self defense” this is actually wrong, we lost this right in 1999 with the first federal gun law, until 1999 and even more until 1995 carrying was legal in most cantons in Switzerland, without any permit for most of these.

  16. avatar little horn says:

    jesus christ that dude looks crazy as FFFFF

  17. avatar LHW says:

    This POS could have used a few lead suplements.

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