Will SIG Break GLOCK’s Law Enforcement Stranglehold?

Will Sig _320 break GLOCK's stranglehold

GLOCKs may not win any beauty pageants, but they work. When they first came out, GLOCKs faced a lot of scrutiny and skepticism over the polymer frames’ durability and reliability (especially after the factory recalled the entire first run). In a few short years, GLOCK’s popularity skyrocketed.

Today, almost two-thirds of US law enforcement agencies use GLOCK products. [ED: there are stories of generous not-to-say illegal incentives used to market the product.] Non-LEO Americans have bought millions more. But now, with the US Army adopting the SIG P320 to replace the Beretta 92, will law enforcement begin to trend away from GLOCK “perfection” towards the modular SIG?

The P320 has a lot going for it. Its innovative design allows users to change calibers, frame sizes and even swap out lower frames to accommodate various user hand sizes. The triggers of each I’ve tried excel right out of the box. No trigger jobs necessary. The new P320 has also proven itself reliable.

Time will tell if SIG will take a giant chunk out of GLOCK’s marketshare. Plenty of people don’t have much love for Gaston’s creation. For my part, I like the ubiquitous GLOCK. All of mine get night sights which makes them easier to find after unfortunate boating accidents. They also get 3.5-pound trigger connectors. While some folks replace all manner of parts, in my mind, fewer alterations makes for greater reliability.

Will departments spring for new SIGs to replace their GLOCKs? My guess is no. Adopting a new sidearm carries all the the costs of the guns along with new duty gear (holsters, mags, mag pouches) and the additional training required. Frankly (and sadly), most departments struggle to provide re-qualification training, much less the cost of adopting a new pistol platform.

Which way would you go?

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  1. avatar Robert McMahan says:

    My sense is that serious agencies buy Sig. Chiefs who put money first, buy Glock.

    1. avatar J says:

      SOCOM & FBI are as serious as it gets and the both went with glock.

      Border patrol contract will be comming up in a few years…..let’s see what happens with that.

      1. avatar Jake says:

        Glock is the SOCOM and FBI department weapon but does not mean they have to use it. I live Va Beach near Little Creek Amphib Base and Oceana, homes to SOCOM. Have friends who were in the teams, even my doctor. They were using Glock’s among other brands already. SIG 226 was and Glock is now their issued handguns. At that level, they carry what they want, a mixed bag.

  2. avatar TP says:

    Doubt it. The P320 has a super high bore axis for a striker. SIG Sauer went cheap and just plugged the P250. Some departments will follow Mil but majority won’t.

    Neither will I.

    1. avatar NineShooter says:

      This is true, but I shot my used-but-new-to-me P320 side-by-side with my Glock 19, and there was VERY little difference in muzzle flip. So little, that I’m not sure the average shooter could ever take advantage of the difference. The low bore axis thing is related to the sharp grip angle, so unless a pistol has the same (or more sharply angled) grip angle of a Glock, it will never be able to match the Glock’s low bore axis (and please note I’m a die-hard Glocker, owning more than a dozen).

      Frankly, most older-/old-school pistol shooters would happily give up the lower bore axis to get a more 1911-like grip angle, which the P320 has. Given that fact, and its other features, I predict the P320 will be in great demand.

    2. avatar Michael Brohl says:

      I knew someone would bring up bore axis. In 9mm bore axis is WAY OVERRATED. My p320 is the smoothest shooting pistol I own. Pair that with its far superior trigger and it destroys my Glock 19 in shootability. Not even close. Much better shooting than my glock 19.

      1. avatar anaxis says:

        Overblown, yes; but a seriously low axis does help shoot better, whether noticeable by novices or not. The Steyr M9 is a good example of this.

        1. avatar Michael B says:

          I have a Steyr L9. Love it and it shoots great. The Sig still feels and shoots better though.

  3. avatar Gary Howell says:

    I like to see more officers have the que to pick their own from an approved list of 3 or 4 makers. It’s important to have a good fit.

    1. avatar Joe in NC says:

      This ^ plus 1. One gun is not the best for every shooter. Customization not with standing.

    2. avatar Other Tom in Oregon says:

      I agree, but there are a lot of people stuck in the idea that everyone needs to be able to trade mags back and forth in the heat of the moment. Not that it probably ever really was an issue, hopefully now with the proliferation of AR15s in police use we can throw that idea away.

      1. avatar Bob398 says:

        If it gets bad enough that you need more pistol mags than you can carry on your own belt, I suspect you should have been carrying a long gun.

    3. avatar Nanashi says:

      The NYPD allows officers to chose to use a P226 over the Glock, though it still gets the terrible trigger.

    4. avatar J says:

      Glock has multiple sizes for fit. Glock21/sf, 30/s/sf. Gen 4 have 5 different backstrap choices (one is none installed).

  4. avatar Woody from NY says:

    I shoot almost every weekend, and I’m generally shooting glocks and 1911s. With that said I’ve shot different variations of the p320 in 9mm and 40 and frankly I don’t get it. Maybe I’m just used to the glock but if I had to choose a plastic gun that wasn’t a glock it wouldn’t be the xd or 320 I’d look more towards the custom shop m&p…….but even then I still prefer my glocks. I say this having shot a minimum of 1000 rounds through each gun I’ve mentioned. Just my opinion, you’re entitled to yours and I mine.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      I’ve shot many a Glock in my day and quite frankly, I don’t get it. Sights suck and trigger is below average. Also feels like a 2×4 in my hand. Never understood what people see in Glocks. Don’t say reliability either. All guns made by reputable manufacturers are just as reliable as Glocks these days.

      1. avatar Isaac says:

        Well ok,
        Let’s starts with institutionalized knowledge, ammunition capacity, price and out of the box reliability in 1980-something terms when measured against 1911’s of the day.

        According to the history I’ve been hearing it was about a quantum leap forward when things went from:
        Step 1: buy gun from FFL.
        Step 2: take gun in box directly to gun smith.
        Step 3: pay gun smith as much as you paid the FFL.
        Step 4: load and carry

        To this new paradigm of:
        Step 1: buy gun from FFL.
        Step 2: take gun in box directly home.
        Step 3: profit
        Step 4: load and carry

  5. avatar Joseph says:

    I own both Glock 19 and the Sig P320 Compact in 9mm. I Glock has been my EDC for three years, although I have about 50 years shooting experience and four decades as LEO. This is my take: If someone asked me which one I prefer, I’d say it’s only a matter of personal preference since they are both top notch excellent handguns. Try them both and whichever feels best, go for it, you can’t go wrong with either. In my opinion the Sig has a better trigger (duh), a bit better sights (night sights on both guns), and I seem to do a bit better target shooting with the Sig, although combat accuracy is fine for both guns so that’s rather a moot point. They are both equally, boringly reliable. The Sig is a bit heavier, not much but a little, and when you’re carrying three extra mags and often a backup Shield 9, a little makes a difference. It’s also just a tad wider in the slide. Bottom line is that the Sig has not replaced the Glock as EDC because I give a slight edge to the lower bore axis and bit lighter weight. It ain’t much, but enough to make a difference to me, although I will still carry the Sig sometimes just because I like her. BTW both sport the Talon rubber grips, they make a hell of a difference. As far as police departments switching over, nope, for all the reasons you stated.

  6. avatar Easy 8 says:

    I’ll be honest, I just don’t get all the fawning over the 320 (or for that matter, Sig as a company). I work at a gun range and except for our 226 and 229, every Sig we’ve had has been the worst piece of crap. Both of our 320’s, one very early production and one very recent production have died quite early on (less than 8000 rounds of relatively light use). In both cases the striker mechanism pretty much decided it didn’t want to live and subsequently shredded itself to bits. It’s got a bore axis located somewhere in the upper ionosphere, so that’s certainly not helping it’s case any. And as for the trigger, I’m genuinely curious (any and all commentators please let me know), WHY DEAR GOD WHY is it considered “good”? Every 320 that’s come through our shop both as a rental and as a sellable gun has had a horrendous trigger. It’s light-ish, sure, but it’s got a lot of…squishyness to it and feels extremely cheap and mechanical. Like what comes in a kids toy or a medium quality airsoft gun. It feels like an original series M&P trigger with slightly less take up, sans the hinge weirdness that S&W put in the M&P.

    Say what you will about Glocks, pistols after all are definitely a personal preference, but they’re definitely the workhorse gun to beat, and dead simple to use/repair. If anything has a mild chance of taking some of Glock’s market share, it’s the CZ P-10. LEO sales probably won’t be affected, but it’s got a lot of interest in the non-LEO/non-MIL world. Then again though, as far as the consumer is concerned, it’s basically an ambi Glock, so take that for what you will.

    1. avatar NineShooter says:

      The CZ P10C that is larger in EVERY dimension than a Glock 19, and heavier as well?

      Yeah, don’t hold your breath on that one.

    2. avatar Ted Unlis says:

      What a crock of $#!T. “I work at a gun range every Sig we’ve had has been the worst piece of crap that die at 8000 rds of light use”. Sure you do Sonny. Sure they are Sonny. Sure they did Sonny. Too funny!

      1. avatar D says:

        If you’re going to blast what I said, quote it correctly. What I said was that the *320’s* both died prior to their 8000 round mark. That the 226’s and 229’s (the Sig mainstays, and most popular products) did fine. And that the few other Sig offerings we had did poorly. Glad to see reading comprehension is alive and well.

        For the record, people like you are why I am leaving my job at said range. We could have had an actual discussion about the pros and cons of the Sig line, but you went with “crock of sh1t”, and “sonny”. Thanks for making the comments section worse.

        1. avatar Ted Unlis says:

          No problem Sonny.

        2. avatar Redfoot says:

          I wonder which account name will comment next( In regards to “D” and “Easy 8”

    3. avatar Michael Brohl says:

      I have both guns. Have had more issues with the Glock than the Sig p320. Sig also has better sights and a better trigger and is WAY more ergonomic and comfortable to handle. Shoots better as well. No contest for me. I’ll take the Sig every day, all day.

    4. avatar Bob398 says:

      I have 4 sig sauer 320’s. Absolutely wonderful pistols. I wore out the striker spring on the my carry model at about the 10,000 round mark, which was one of the first 320s off the assembly line, but other than that, it is flawless. I shot another 10k rounds on that gun and it is still running fine. My full size has about 20,000 rounds through it so far, and it is still running great. My subcompact has about 3000 rounds, and it is flawless as well. (It is my carry gun.) I just bought a 320 X series a few days ago, and I plan to use it to compete. I suspect that the striker springs in the first batch of 320s had issues, but other than that, my experience has proven to me that they are as reliable as hell…which is why the 320 is my carry gun.

    5. avatar Jake says:

      Everyone has their own opinion YES. I am an FFL and been shooting, owning and selling for over 35 years. Had many Glocks and as they say, parts are cheap and easy to fix a Glock, well yes correct. But all of the SIG’s I own, have sold or know others with, have had no issues or never have to upgrade out of the box. Glock’s out of the box well, everyone starts to upgrade to make a decent gun. Owned 7 Glocks over time and all broke and had to go back for repair. Sold all when a G19 blew apart and had to get hand surgery. Wanted to like them but not my thing. Many law enforcement are leaving glock for many different reasons, look at Miami Dade as just one example, do a little research for yourself.

  7. avatar Noishkel says:

    Well the only reason Glock are the most common handgun in police use is because Glock gives massive discount to LEO organizations that buy in bulk. If Sig ramps up production and starts to give the same kind of discounts to them then every police agency on the nation will drop Glock so fast it will probably put them out of business. After all, no one really want’s a ‘perfect handgun’ that you have to drop $100 to $300 to get it to be ‘perfect’.

    1. avatar Jake says:

      Everything you stated is absolute truth. Glock was known for having the best marketing in the business.

  8. avatar Tile floor says:

    No. I teach firearms for a 600 officer sized department and I can say that switching firearms is such a colossal pain in the rear and takes up a massive amount of scheduling and manpower that unless a department is having serious issues with their currently issued firearms, it’s just not really worth it to switch. Plus, the Glocks work just fine. The other day I was working with a state department protective services agent that used to work at my department and he was saying they are actually ditching the 229 for the Glock 19 with an issued 26 backup.

  9. avatar L-T says:

    Sig already has a decent foothold in law enforcement with the P226, P229, and P220. There are pros and cons to both Glock and the P320. A significant advantage the P320 has is the ability safely field strip the pistol. Pretty important.

    1. avatar NineShooter says:

      Safety is not a gun, it is an attitude. If the user is unsafe, then s/he can fire the gun at any time, causing damage, injury or death. If the user is safe, then silly features like no-trigger-pull-takedown don’t matter at all.

  10. avatar Kyle says:

    pretty hard to compete with the glock, they have a consistent reliability and a cost point that is tough to match. I own one, I never shoot the thing as it is as boring a gun as a human could ever want, but I just dont see police changing to something else without a good reason to do so.

    1. avatar bLoving says:

      Don’t know your age, Kyle, but there was a time in this country when darned near every lawman carried either a Colt Police Positive or a Smith&Wesson Model 10 – and many continued to do so long after major departments had moved on to pistols.
      How interesting that I’ve lived long enough to see the Glock become the contemporary equivalent of the Model 10.

      1. avatar Joe R. says:

        Many police forces used the M9, they moved away from that to ‘gain’ something, but all they did was trade down.

        1. avatar NineShooter says:

          Yeah, right. A huge, bulky pistol with a mile-high bore axis, your choice of TWO horrible trigger pulls, a grip size unsuitable for small and medium hands, and a decocker that often “safes” the pistol during immediate-action drills.

          With the advent of so many reliable striker-fired designs, there is absolutely NO REASON to use a traditional DA pistol.

  11. avatar JohnnyIShootStuff says:

    It will all comes down to how Sig structures its purchase and buyback programs. Glock took the market from S&W over those purchase terms and the buy back terms in contract renewals. Will Sig do the same?

  12. avatar TruthTellers says:

    I don’t see police departments changing to something else after having used Glocks for 25-30 years. I mean, look how long it took for police to switch from revolvers to pistols.

  13. avatar Jake Franklin says:

    I went with a p320 9mm full size for duty use and carry the compact off duty. It’s a personal preference, just like the feel and pointability of the gun. That being said blocks are awesome too and I see why some people prefer them over the sig. Before the p320 I carried a block 21 and glock 19 in their respective roles and both worked fine and would carry them again if my dept. Required me to.

  14. avatar Mattb says:

    The ability to change frame sizes is a huge win in my book I shoot no auto better then a 320 with the small size frame. Having options to suit a variety​ of hand sizes could definitely help improve proficiency of officers.

    1. avatar TP says:

      With Glock a simple backstrap change is all that’s required to fit a different sized hand, not the entire frame like the P320.

      1. avatar Mark Horning says:

        Even with the smallest backstrap it is still as big as a Gen II Glock without the removable strap.

        The ergonomics simply suck on Glocks. The new M model without the stupid finger groves is a definite improvement though. (one they work out the bugs of the slides falling off)

  15. avatar Mark Horning says:

    Glock’s market share is on the decline with or without the new Sig striker.

    The last big sidearm contract in Arizona went to FN. DPS just adopted the FNS-40 Longslide.

    No stupid finger groves, better stock trigger than a Glock, better grip angle, and smaller grip with the flat grip insert.

    The previous guns were Sig 226’s.

    Texas DPS has already adopted the Sig 320.

    Local agencies often follow the pattern set by the state ones.

    If Sig gives LEOs a price anywhere close to what they gave Big Army, then the bean counters are going to buy tons of them.

    1. avatar J says:

      and michigan state troopers just ditched SIG for Glock. Same with the Ontario provincial police….and the new Jersey state troopers……for every action there is an equal reaction…..

  16. avatar Mike says:

    Ask me again in 10 years. Maybe 20.
    With the benefit of hindsight, who would’ve still chosen Beretta over Glock back in 1985?

  17. avatar Ralph says:

    The Feds buy SIGs. PDs buy cheap.

    1. avatar J says:

      You mean feds like the FBI?

  18. avatar James says:

    The 320 has a serious trigger reset problem that fails to reset when slow fired.

    1. avatar Bohica says:

      I can speak only about my own experience but I’ve had zero reset problems with my two P320’s, a Carry in .357 SIG and a full size RX 9mm. Reset on both is very short and positive whether fired slow, fast or anywhere in between. That’s just my experience, of course, and your mileage may vary.

    2. avatar Michael B. says:

      Never once in 3 years have I had a trigger reset problem with my p320. In fact never once have I had any kind of problem with my p320.

    3. avatar Bob398 says:

      I have 4 P320s, and I have over 45000 rounds down range on them. What trigger reset problem? I wore out a striker spring on the first 320 I bought. Other than that, it has been flawless.

      1. avatar James Maxwell says:

        Pull back the trigger slow and the striker does not reset. I have it on 2 so far.

  19. avatar RSic says:

    Writer John Boch were do get your information, is it Glock, because, I work for a large company, and travel into 22 states and they are the most populated with the largest law enforcement agencies, and from what I’ve personally have seen, few agencies carry Glock, sure there are individual officers who have Glocks mixed in the ranks, but by far Glock is a minority, I think the private citizen is what’s carrying Glock, and I’m not to sure of there future now that the Sig 320 has been picked for military use the Navy, Air Force and, Marine Corps have all said they will follow the Army’s choice pistol, and what’s different in gen 1 – 5 FBI pistol. I sold my g17 and am selling a g19 for a Sig 320

    1. avatar NineShooter says:

      At one point, Glocks were either issued or authorized in two-thirds of the LE agencies in the USA.

      No other company has anywhere near that kind of LE market penetration. Not even close.

      And cost wouldn’t be a factor if they didn’t work, and work well. But they do.

      Haters gonna hate. Glockers gonna Glock. Pick what works for you.

  20. avatar W says:

    The P320 has a ways to go before it matches Glock’s track record. Give it several years of military use, then we’ll see what the score is.

  21. avatar Isaac says:

    Depends on the department, look there’s what 20-30 years of experience with Glocks? That’s hard to beat especially given a mindset like mine, which is: I’ve got 14 years with this equipment (holster, gun, mags lights, ammunition, reloading know how etc)… exactly why do I want to burn $1500+ when my everything still works well?

    For newer shooters or officers maybe it’s a good way to go, but for the old guys it just doesn’t make to go through a learning curve again (especially if they like what they’ve currently got).

  22. avatar syzito says:

    Primary question is did the Sig 320 win because is was the most durable and reliable after shooting 5000-9000 rounds or was it chosen because of the bias by the Army for a gun that was modular so it could be changed from small,medium or large framed to accommodate the different sizes of the soldiers that would be carrying them into battle? Were the testing requirements only based on the weapons ability to survive in a real combat situation under real world conditions? If not,then the Sig was chosen not because it was better than the other weapons tested,but because of the modular feature of the weapon, and that is not a valid reason to put a weapons system into battle. The only requirement that matters is will the gun go bang when needed and will it do so under horrible conditions in the field, and also will it continue to go bang without breaking for many thousands of rounds. That is what matters,not if it will fit everyone’s hands.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      The military REQUESTED modularity in the guns submitted. Glock ignored that request. Glock lost.

      1. avatar Redfoot says:

        Well said.

      2. avatar Neil says:

        The army required modular pistols for the tested samples. Not a request, it was a SHALL requirement.

        Anyone every going through an RFP knows that ignoring a SHALL means you will be dismissed unless all other bids are far more expensive or also ignore a SHALL requirement.

  23. avatar Ted Unlis says:

    In my 35+ year LE career, I’ve been issued 6 Sig pistols; the P220, P226, & P226 DAK for duty carry; the P230, P232, & P239 for backup (the 239 was too large for a backup).

    Each of those Sigs were superior quality pistols that proved flawlessly reliable, the P226 DAK with a short trigger & E2 grip is my favorite and is what I regularly carry to this day because I shoot better with it than any duty gun I’ve ever had.

    During my career however I’ve also personally owned and carried in lieu of or in addition to the previous mentioned issued pistols, the Glock 17, 19, 21, 26, 31, & 33; all of those were rock solid workhorses and flawlessly reliable, the G33 is my favorite as a backup because it can’t be beat as a concealable handgun that packs a wallop, I still carry it regularly today.

    My agency is incrementally transitioning from the P226 DAK to P320. The P320 passed the rigors of extensive evaluation and testing and has thus far proven to have sufficient Sig quality and reliability of its predecessors, but it’s not nor was it ever intended to be a Cadillac like the P226.

    Sig finally realized that to compete with Glock meant building a polymer frame striker fired pistol at a competitive price, the P320 accomplishes that with the added bonus of the best factory trigger available in a duty pistol.

    It’s amusing to read the predictable comments from all the virtual small arms experts trashing Glock and Sig. It’s really amusing that these virtual experts don’t realize just how easy it is to spot their ridiculously ignorant and uninformed lines of bull$#it.

    In an apples to apples comparison the Glock 17/19/26, or the Sig P320 in its various sizes are superior and equally reliable duty/defensive carry handguns; which one an agency or individual chooses is strictly about the preferences of who’s buying the gun(s).

    1. avatar The Sophist says:

      One small disagreement: the Walther PPQ has the best stock triggers of any duty pistol. (Duty in European agencies at least…. ?)

      1. avatar J says:

        PPQs aren’t issued by any euro LE agency. Taiwan is the only nation that uses the PPQ (m2).

        The walther euro agencies have been switching to is the P99Q……different gun with a different trigger, not available to the public.

    2. avatar The Gray Poseur says:

      You want to criticize the questioners?

      How about this: Why in the hell is your agency switching duty weapons so often?

      Somebody is getting paid and the taxpayers are getting hosed. Cops are such parasites.

      1. avatar Redfoot says:

        Lemme know who you call when your illegal honeypot operation gets raided. By offering a range of pistols that fit different roles and shooters at discounted prices and armorer familiarity the department increases its efficacy of its officers. Let me know when your militia responds to a 911 call at a domestic disturbance.

      2. avatar Ted Unlis says:

        Switching so often? P220 45 ACP in 1990, P226 357 SIg in 1996, P226 DAK 357 Sig in 2005, incremental transition to P320 9mm beginning in 2016. If that 26 year timeline seems “so often” to you Gray Pos, you’ve proven my point about virtual small arms experts and their ridiculously ingnorant and uninformed lines of bull$#it.

        1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

          He’s just jealous.

    3. avatar Bob398 says:

      Amen!!!

  24. avatar C.Z. says:

    Well Sig should take a bunch of market share from glock. That nobody can really say is inferior to a Glock, that offers quite a few benefits. And it’s pretty much the same price.

  25. avatar Parnell says:

    I think I’ll stick with my G26 & 27. The only dimensions the Sig P320SC beats the Glock are capacity (12/10 vs. 10/9) and barrel
    length (3.6 vs. 3.41). That said the Glock is shorter, thinner and lighter so it carries easier. Given that the Sig is a relatively new design, I’ll stick with the tried & true.

    1. avatar Ted Unlis says:

      I agree. But if Sig comes out with a P290 sized polymer frame double stack pocket 9mm with that outstanding P320 trigger, I just might have to buy one.

  26. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

    Bore axis only matters to keyboard warriors., especially in 9mm. We’ll talk bore axis when someone can make a Chiappa Rhino equivalent in a semi-auto.

    1. avatar Robert Farago says:

      Have you shot high bore axis guns (most SIGs) vs. low bore axis guns (Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0)? Big difference in felt recoil and rapid target acquisition. It’s not that SIGs are bad. It’s just that lower bore axis guns are better.

      1. avatar NineShooter says:

        Robert, there are a LOT of people who simply don’t shoot well enough to be able to tell the difference. It really only makes a difference in very rapid followup shots on the same target by a skilled and well-practiced user, so if a shooter can time their splits with a sundial or calendar, then they can safely buy whatever they’d like — it won’t matter at all.

      2. avatar Jake says:

        Been shooting over 35 years, owned many brands. I am an FFL with many friends in the arms field. We laugh every time the high bore axis crap comes up, usually a Glock head, just like a Democrat, brainwashed by advertising and media. My Sig’s have less to me muzzle flip and get back on target as fast or faster that the Glock’s. Once again, not all shooters have the same views. My opinion is not better than your opinion, that is why it’s great to have choices.

  27. avatar Ted Unlis says:

    Bore axis and trigger pull are more often than not dwelled on by marginal shooters who believe they will miraculously become better shooters if only they can buy that next new and improved pistol or gizmo.

    No Robert, folks who consistently shoot a ragged hole in a B27 ten ring at 15 to 25 yds generally don’t get all worked up over a slightly smaller ragged hole a lower bore axis or slick 3lb trigger pull might afford, and the novice shooting at their usual 5 to 10 yd range won’t notice any measurable improvement either.

    Top competitors shaving tenths of a second off their time might notice a measurable improvement with a lower bore axis or an improvement in followup shots on steel or paper or perhaps even gain that additional X ring shot to break a tie, but an earlier comment about bore axis was correct, it’s just not the major factor you want it to be in any quality 9mm pistol and is something that only keyboard warriors (aka virtual small arms experts) tend to dwell on.

  28. avatar danny says:

    I can shoot the P320 and the Glock equally the same. I prefer Glock because I own more of them but again I can shoot the P320 just as good.
    I don’t care what brand of gun it is as long as I shoot 1-3 inch groups at 20-30 ft.

    If you want to really be impressed go and shoot a Rex Zero 1 and you’ll think the Sig P320 and Glock are a JOKE.

    https://youtu.be/WGd6ZAXXRT8

    1. avatar Jake says:

      Just got one 5 days ago. The Rex Zero 1S. You are right, at this time my favorite choice and I own many models of many brands.

  29. avatar Mark Hill says:

    I think the civilian market will start buying the Sig, but back in 1985, law enforcement certainly didn’t follow the military by buying Berettas in any huge quantity. I personally don’t see Glock having much to worry about.

    1. avatar Neil says:

      Sig prices to compete. Beretta couldn’t as a metal pistol just costs that much more to make than the polymer. Both the Sig and Glock cost less than a hundred dollars per example to produce. Now, every manufacturing company needs to sell at retail at 4X manufacturing costs, or they will go out of business (mattresses, cars, or handguns, it doesn’t matter).

      Berettas also have the disadvantage of large grips (as do Glock 17Ms/19Ms by today’s standards and the P226). People need to wake up, police forces no longer just hire on grip size. You don’t want all beefy men being say a child abuse detective, but I know two of those, both with very small hands (a little too small for their Glocks in my opinion) who have had to fire in the line of duty to protect a child. In no way could they have fired a Beretta safely.

      Modular grips are a requirement for a good reason. I personally won’t buy a new gun without them and I wear size L gloves snugly (put on latex gloves and I’m boarderline an XL, but I prefer stretching out the L). Add my vote for diversity of selection in a department. It doesn’t have to be the Sig or Glock. But different guns fit different people better (even with modular grips). There is no one gun to rule them all.

      The Army contract also allows many departments to buy at the Army price. A very different contract than for the M9 which was for one price for so many pistols. A *very* different contract… So is the FBI contract. This will make it tough for S&W, but I think they’ll continue to sell.

  30. avatar J says:

    If it’s made by cohen’s sig in Exeter, it more than likely isn’t worth owning.

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