BREAKING: Army Denies GLOCK’s MHS Protest, Will Go With the SIG P320

This from armytimes.com: “The Government Accountability Office has denied a protest from firearms manufacturer Glock that sought to have the government reconsider its award of a 10-year, $580 million contract for the Army’s new handgun to a competitor.” GLOCK was angling for at least a portion of the lucrative contract.

Glock challenged the Army’s “interpretation of the solicitation regarding the minimum number of contract awards required by the” Request For Proposal, GAO spokeswoman Jennifer Ashley said in an emailed statement.

GAO denied the challenge, finding that the RFP allowed the Army to make only one award, although three were permitted under the proposal’s terms, she said.

Not to mention that GLOCK filed their protest after the deadline for doing so had expired. So barring any further action, the Army’s new handgun will, in fact, be the SIG P320.

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  1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    “Not to mention that GLOCK filed their protest after the deadline for doing so had expired.”

    Justification enough.

  2. avatar unknown says:

    Good, the world does not need more glocks. When are they going to figure out that ‘glock perfection’ is an oxymoron.

  3. avatar Chazzer says:

    …but what about that other patent infringement protest?? DMD

    1. avatar John Shepherd says:

      That isn’t a protest. It is lawsuit that Sig is likely to lose. Odds are that Sig is going regret winning the contract since any royalty payments will have to come out their profits. They could end up losing money.

      1. avatar Jeff says:

        Sig won’t be liable for royalties on the Government contract, the Government will. The Government has the right to use any and all patents filed in the US. When an award of this nature is made and there is a potential patent violation, the Government is liable for the royalties.

        1. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

          Sounds interesting. Is there a good reference on that? I’m curious how they would set the pricing and/or penalties in that case.

        2. avatar Scott says:

          Well even this more than likely will go SIG’s way, as the P250 used the same system. So SIG has been in “infringement” of this patent for 10 years and if you don’t defend your patent it can be found invalid by the court. So any lawyer worth the money will argue this and get the case tossed out.

        3. avatar John Shepherd says:

          Then the government can cancel the contract or buy a smaller number of items. The cost is going to be passed on the the supplier one way or another, or passed on to you and me.

  4. avatar Vhyrus says:

    I can imagine a brick thrown through Gaston’s window with a typed note reading “Suck it Krauts!”

    1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

      speaking as a full blooded heinie, i must take umbrage to your use of the derogatory term “kraut” being applied towards osterreichers.
      they may, however, already be wieners.

      1. avatar Norincojay says:

        I’ll never trust a Kraut. If you are an American citizen you are an American only your heritage is German. Merkal and her Krauts are trying to take over Europe once again. In many aspects they have already succeeded.

        1. avatar Ivan Chestnovonich says:

          And, pray tell, what is your ancestry?

        2. avatar Hank says:

          Being as he’s a norinco fan, he may be a chicom.

        3. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

          no doubt.
          happy non obama day was born here, do you call him an american?
          a republican chicagoan is as american as it gets; being born here didn’t transform my dna. krautern culture aplenty.
          trust is earned.
          enjoy your fried pigs ears.

    2. avatar Pwrserge says:

      Come now, this is the Swiss we’re talking about. They will send him a very strongly worded letter along with a wine and cheese basket.

      1. avatar Ivan Chestnovonich says:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxK_nA2iVXw

        gotta maintain that neutrality

      2. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

        the only thing swiss about glocks is… that they’re cheesy.

    3. avatar Jay says:

      Gaston is Austrian not German…

      1. avatar D. in OR says:

        Heh, just like Hitler…

    4. avatar Klause Von Schmitto says:

      Oh my. I’ve been triggered. I think I’ll have a cocktail to calm my nerves.

    5. avatar J says:

      the irony being that sig sauer was a partially kraut-owned company while glock was austrian

  5. avatar S.Crock says:

    Glock needs to step up their game. 20 years ago they offered a unique wonderful product. They haven’t done anything new since their introduction. And adding single stack carry guns doesn’t count as something new, it’s simply catching up to a 10 year old trend. Now they are simply a company living off of its reputation while its competitors have either caught up or surpassed their products is quality, utility, and performance. I hope they don’t go they way of Colt and just hope military or more likely police contracts will keep them afloat.

    1. avatar BLoving says:

      Nah.
      Colt’s problem is and has always been their thinly veiled contempt for the civilian customer base – preferring to do their best business with government agencies here and abroad.
      Glock doesn’t seem to have that problem, they like civvies just fine… but real innovation to keep us interested is sorely lacking there.

    2. avatar Adam says:

      Glock invented perfection and basically everyone has been trying to copy them since. 20 years ago they were the only good striker fired plastic frame in town. Now everyone wants to do that because they understand what perfect is.

      1. avatar Steve Mangiameli says:

        Come on now! You have to let everyone know you are about to tell a joke before we take a drink! Now my monitor is dripping because of you!

        Glock perfection indeed.

      2. avatar wyantry says:

        And where EXACTLY did anyone get the idea that G. Glock “invented” or “perfected” the striker-fired pistol? Check your Heckler & Koch history! VP-70 (Heckler & Koch VP70. The VP70 is a 9×19mm, 18-round, double action only, semi-automatic/three-round burst capable polymer frame pistol manufactured by German arms firm Heckler & Koch GmbH. VP stands for Volkspistole (literally “People’s Pistol”), and the designation 70 was for the first year of production: 1970), and P-7 / P7M8/13 and family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_P7. P7 introduced in 1976).

        Glock may have POPULARIZED the striker-fired pistol. but certainly did NOT invent it!

  6. avatar Bob says:

    Its as if a Glock and a 1911 had a baby.

    1. avatar Norincojay says:

      So a Butterface.

  7. avatar ai338 says:

    The p320 was watered down so the potatoes in the army wouldnt shoot their foot off. Meanwhile, most SF units in the military continue to use Glock.

    1. avatar PVD says:

      Bingo

    2. avatar Charles5 says:

      Watered down?

    3. avatar Hank says:

      They’ll all eventually adopt the sig. Just wait and see.

    4. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      I’m sorry what….”potatoes”?

      1. avatar DJ Saul Teanuts says:

        I’ll fix that for him. He meant to say “tater”. Hope that clears it up for you.

  8. avatar Todd P. says:

    Too bad for our troops.

  9. avatar PVD says:

    Bingo!

  10. avatar gargoil says:

    its amazing to me that a product that was made ONLY to pass just above the bar, is championed as perfection. it makes me think people that say that have no actual idea what perfections means.

  11. avatar Hank says:

    Good. Wish they would’ve been man enough to go with 10mm as a new cartridge though.

    1. avatar Pwrserge says:

      Yeah… the feminazis running the other NATO militaries would have thrown a shit fit.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        Who could imagine why they would want the standard-issue small arms of allied countries to share ammo supply (and one which is already easily produced and shot well by most soldiers)!

        1. avatar kduke says:

          Yeah, you know you’re dealing with a real ‘thinker’ when they say “femmenazis,” while probably supporting real nazis at home.

        2. avatar 5WarVeteran says:

          What an amazing assumption! Dude really. Do you even know what a feminazis is?

          “Feminazi” is a term used pejoratively to describe either feminists who are extreme or radical,[1][2] women who are seeking superiority over men (rather than equality),[3] or all feminists.[4][5][6][7]

          The earliest known use of the word dates from 1989 and it was popularized by politically conservative radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh in the early 1990s. It is a portmanteau of the nouns feminist and Nazi. The online version of the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines the term as used in a “usually disparaging” manner, to describe “an extreme or militant feminist”.[1]

  12. avatar Kap says:

    All SF people I know about throw the Glock out the window and go with A Sig! H&K and even 1911.
    the Government has always gone with the lowest bidder! except junk Carriers, junk planes, junks all 9mm’s go with the .40

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Tell us more about all the SF people you know

      (eyeroll)

      1. avatar Klause Von Schmitto says:

        You just made his list, buddy.

  13. avatar Joe in San Antonio says:

    As a glock owner I must say that the sig is a better gun, easier to shoot, more modular and the after market parts will catch up. The 9mm hate amuses me, 45, 40, and 9 are so close ballistically in terms of effects on target it’s almost meaningless. Militaries and Policing forces use the guns with the highest capacity and lowest recoil cause speed of follow up shot is the big delineator. That contract is huge with a unit price of $500 each that’s over a million guns. I know the contract is DoD wide but is their really a million MTOEd sidearm positions?

    1. avatar Tile Floor says:

      9×19 hollow points are, yes, similar to a .40 or .45. When you are restricted to standard ball ammunition the differences become a bit more pronounced. I am a 9mm fan and all my semi auto handguns are 9, but if I were restricted to only ball ammunition I probably would rock a .45.

      1. avatar Joe in San Antonio says:

        I think it’s more a function of propellants. NATO countries have a habit of using the shittiest gun powder they can get away with and it screws up the guns and the ballistic performance of the round. 11 mm vs 9 really isn’t that big of a difference in term of wound tunnel. Penatration becomes the biggest factor if you have to use ball.

  14. avatar Hannibal says:

    the glock protest was denied for the same reason it lost the trials. I’m not sure what reason that is, but it was readily apparent when you look at the criteria they picked that they wanted to make sure glock didn’t win (the rules prohibited the gun from having a finger groove for example… for no reason but to screw with glock)

    1. avatar J says:

      the FBI had requirements tailor made for the P320………..yet glock still won, apparently because the p320s they tested were piles of shit.

  15. avatar J says:

    The Cohenization of the US military begins in earnest

    1. avatar Joe in San Antonio says:

      Huh? We have had standard NATO rounds since the 60s. Soldiers today are smarter and more fit then at anytime in our history. Does the military cater to the lowest defined standard? Usually yes but it’s still a pretty high standard. I have big hands so a M9 is easy to shoot but i have seen first hand smaller people struggle to get a proper grip on the gun. Can you fault the military for wanting to equip all their Soldiers adequately to increase combat effectiveness? This current generation of Soldiers may have a harder time getting used to the physical demands of Soldiering but I would put them up against previous generations and bet they give better then they take.

      1. avatar Russ H says:

        Well said. I’ve been in the Army & Army Reserve for nearly 39 years now. The Soldiers of today are superior to those in 1978 when I came in. What makes them better? They are smarter and do more critical thinking.

  16. avatar 5WarVeteran says:

    I have the 32 Tactical ops going to drive it tonight for a couple hundred rounds.
    For Sig owners when the breakdown lever is being a finger bleeding bitch because of a poor design. Push up on the guide rod a bit and it will become easier to turn the lever.

    1. avatar 5WarVeteran says:

      Performed flawlessly. 200 rounds.

  17. avatar Russ H says:

    Sig it is – thank God. I for one couldn’t be happier.

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