Quote of the Day: A Gun Control Advocate on the Post-Trump Fight for Gun Rights

“The Rev. Nancy Nord Bence, executive director of Protect Minnesota, which works to end gun violence, said that what has changed ‘is that we have a hunger amongst the leadership both in Congress and here at home to expand the rights for anyone to carry any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation.” – With Republicans in control, gun rights advocates make their move [via startribune.com]

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  1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    The only regulation allowed for under the Constitution of the United States of America is ‘shall not be infringed’.

  2. avatar Rick says:

    That is a feature, not a bug.

  3. avatar James Earl Hoffa says:

    Amen governor.

  4. avatar Guardiano says:

    Correct.

  5. avatar Rick says:

    Let’s not do the heavy thinking required to figure our why there is surging Republican power in state legislatures.

  6. avatar Survivordude1090 says:

    …And your point is?

  7. avatar Geoff PR says:

    “we have a hunger amongst the leadership both in Congress and here at home to expand the rights for anyone to carry any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation.”

    This seems to be a common theme with the antis these days, this “…any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation.” crapola.

    The “…no regulation.” claim is particularly infuriating when I can point someone to the ATF’s firearm regulations PDF document that exceeds 200 + pages in length.

    I swear they are taking the Nazi propaganda of “Tell a lie often enough, it becomes truth.” to heart and beating it to death.

    I shudder when I think of where our rights would be today if the HildaBeast had won the election…

    1. avatar jwm says:

      Trump is worth nothillary. I don’t like him. But I voted for him. Anything was better than her.

      1. avatar NorincoJay says:

        I also voted for the guy. Only out of my hatred for Hillary. But honestly as time goes on I actually like the guy more and more. I look around and no doom and gloom has happened. The market will continue to rise as long as his economic policies are put in place. He seems to be trying to help with manufacturing, mining and the steel industry. Doing as much as he can. He’s been trying to fullfill his promises as best as possible and that’s all you can really expect. Presidents are pretty restricted in what they can actually do.

        1. avatar Geoff PR says:

          ” I look around and no doom and gloom has happened.”

          There are indications another sub-prime lending bubble may pop in the near future with regards to consumer auto loans. We’ll just have to wait and see if it actually materializes.

          Consumer confidence is high and people are spending, and that alone may stave things off…

        2. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Not much Trump can do about such a bubble, or that he promised to do. If it bursts and we start hearing about “too big to fail”, I expect him to VETO any bank bailout.

        3. avatar Big Bill says:

          “There are indications another sub-prime lending bubble may pop in the near future with regards to consumer auto loans. We’ll just have to wait and see if it actually materializes.”

          While I understand the concern, I don’t see how this would be Trump’s fault, or even the government’s fault.
          Unlike the sub-prime housing bubble, there is no government meddling in the way auto loans are done, concerning a push to loan to people who can’t pay back their loans.
          Sometimes bad things happen that simply can’t be laid at Trump’s (indeed, any president’s) feet.

        4. avatar Stinkeye says:

          “Presidents are pretty restricted in what they can actually do.”

          Apparently nobody told any of the last dozen presidents that their powers were supposed to be restricted, as they seem to have an unbroken pattern of ignoring those restrictions and claiming more and more power for the executive branch. Conveniently for them, and disastrously for the country, the cowards in Congress and the judiciary have chosen to abdicate their responsibility to act as a check on the executive branch and rein in the imperialist tendencies of presidents in the modern era.

        5. avatar Geoff PR says:

          “While I understand the concern, I don’t see how this would be Trump’s fault, or even the government’s fault.”

          I wasn’t trying to imply that.

          The danger, as I see it, is when defaults on debt hits a tipping point, it starts to avalanche in other areas of the economy. After the crash of ’08, investors started buying up the foreclosed homes and then turning right around and rented them out, sometimes even to the homeowner who got foreclosed on.

          We’re now at a point where more homes are rental properties rather than owner-occupied. The danger in that is, more people nowadays have little incentive to pay other debts and go further into default.

          It starts to become a vicious cycle…

  8. avatar Curtis in IL says:

    “For anyone to carry any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation.”

    As our founders intended. Works for me!

  9. avatar No one of consequence says:

    If she wants to work to end violence with guns, this is not the best way to go about it. By definition, the people who obey the law are not the one she claims she wants to affect.

    Actions speak louder than words … both by those who commit violence and those who commit regulations.

    1. avatar Shallnot BeInfringed says:

      Same thing.

  10. avatar Mr.Savage says:

    yup, my new edc will be my ar15! not because it’s practical, but because no one will regulate it and it looks way cooler than a pistol.
    honestly that’s how rediculous this sounds, most of our gun-toting crowd is going to stick to some sort of compact, or sub-compact handgun, be it a revolver or semiauto, just like we already do.

  11. avatar Joe R. says:

    MN is satan’s mutual sex toy, and they are full on run through with communists, and the US has historically come down solid on the side of wiping out communism wherever it sh_ts itself up from hell.

  12. avatar Joe R. says:

    Bence have a congregation? Does she claim 501(c)(3) status? Has she urged anyone to support an anti-gun candidate? Has she taken $0.01 cent of foreign $ to overthrow our Constitution?

  13. avatar Mike Betts says:

    “……. with absolutely no regulation.” That’s with the exception of the 20,000+ laws, ordinances, and regulations on the books across this land upon the right which the Founding Fathers declared “shall not be infringed”.

  14. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    … we have a hunger … to expand the rights for anyone to carry any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation. — Rev. Nancy Nord Bence

    Why yes, yes we do … as we should since our right to effective self-defense is unalienable.

    Efforts to criminalize effective self-defense are an attack on our human dignity and the sanctity of human life. Anyone who supports legal sanctions on effective self-defense are our mortal enemies and deserve no consideration from us.

  15. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    If we really want to win the long game, we have to move people away from the idea of government “regulating” and “licensing” everything and get our nation back to the exceedingly simple system of Common Law … which was the legal basis in our nation for several decades after our founding.

    The motivation is extremely simple: there is no way that anyone can be aware of and follow — to the letter no less — the hundreds of thousands of pages of codes, statutes, ordinances, laws, Executive orders, and agency policies on the books. That means, quite literally, everyone is a criminal just waiting for government to discover us (whether by happenstance or because we suddenly become political enemies). A true commitment to Common Law eliminates that entirely.

    For anyone who may not know about Common Law, it is exceedingly simple:
    (1) The “law” is what everyone inherently knows it to be: do not assault, rape, murder, damage, or steal. Nothing more, nothing less.
    (2) There cannot be a crime if there is no victim with a demonstrable loss or injury. (Injuries include violation of your rights.)
    (3) A jury of your peers has the task of delivering justice and only they can convict you of a crime against a victim.

    Note that “Contempt of Bureaucracy” and “Contempt of Cop” are NOT crimes under Common Law.

    1. avatar Salty Bear says:

      Bravo. The myopic focus on “gun rights” isn’t good enough. You’d think that “no victim, no crime” would be a simple concept and an easy mantra to evangelize, but how do we effectively we spread this idea?

      Maybe we need some kind of viral ad campaign. “There are two kinds of people in this world: those who want to live freely and peacefully, and those who want to hurt and control others. Most of the people in the latter group never consider the consequences of their practically religious belief in an exploitative system which they comfortably call ‘the law,’ but every day they ruin the lives of decent, honest people and their families. Visit [website] for more information on the No Victim, No Crime movement, and learn about what you can do to help stop these atrocities. Be part of the solution: no victim, no crime.”

      I made it sound cheesy, but the concept makes perfect sense – it just has to be packaged the right way.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        “Maybe we need some kind of viral ad campaign.”

        What we need to be pushing is a national ad campaign to educate the public about jury nullification.

        “Unjust laws. What can we do? Jury nullification. Google it…”

    2. avatar DaveL says:

      These are admirable principles, but I don’t think they could actually be called the Common Law, at least English Common Law at any point in the last five centuries.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        DaveL,

        Then what is English Common Law in your opinion? (Not bristling or being defensive, I am honestly interested in hearing your thoughts.)

        1. avatar TX_Lawyer says:

          The simplest statement of the common law is that it is judge made law. The first paragraph from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law is a pretty good overview of my understanding of the term.

          I think what we need to do is move back to our constitutional system where we have a legislature that writes the laws and the executive doesn’t. I don’t want the executive to make the law. It gives far to much power to nameless bureaucrats. Most of our laws in this day and age are regulatory and neither statutory nor the common law.

    3. avatar Curtis in IL says:

      If we get rid of victimless crimes, we would need to assert:
      1) Driving while drunk is not a crime as long as you don’t plow into someone.
      2) Buying and ingesting quasi-pharmaceutical substances of any kind is now perfectly legal.
      3) Prostitution is perfectly legal for both buyer and seller.

  16. avatar Mad Max says:

    We’ll, if she only had used the term “regulation” to mean what the founders did in the 2nd Amendment, she would get a lot of support from gun owners.

    Training is a good thing…

  17. avatar stateisevil says:

    That’s real funny. Here in Florida, our Republicans, who have an eternal hold on the house, senate, and Governor’s mansion, won’t expand gun rights at all, in any way. They won’t even allow open carry with a license.

  18. avatar M1Lou says:

    The legislature has a hunger to expand rights? Have you thought about helping hungry people that have a hunger for food and shelter? I bet not because other issues are more fun to whine about and less likely to require doing a lot of work or dealing with the poor. Seems to be a common theme with some “churches” these days.

  19. avatar IYearn4nARnCali says:

    “expand the rights for anyone to carry any kind of firearm anywhere with absolutely no regulation”, Yes please!

    If the legislative, executive, and judicial are interested in this persons fears of unregulated access to our specifically delineated right to keep and bear arms, then I support the living poop out of that. Please oh great Trump, MAKE IT SO…

  20. avatar Lhstr says:

    I’m just happy with Trump!! Its about time to have a two party system anyway. Go Trump and I don’t care how much money you have. Toss some of the loosers out..

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