Quote of the Day: Creating An America With Fewer Guns

“As we think about each (risk factor for violence), we need to keep our empathy. We can’t ever let ourselves get comfortable with this kind of slaughter. Then empathy must drive us to act by raising awareness about domestic violence and violence against people with disabilities. But most of all, as Karen Smith and Jonathan Martinez are laid to rest, we must first imagine, then act to create, an America in which there are fewer and fewer guns.” – David M. Perry in After San Bernardino shooting, we need more empathy, fewer guns [via cnn.com]

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  1. avatar Omer Baker says:

    How about an American with fewer and fewer criminals on the streets?

    1. avatar Rad Man says:

      Now that’s just crazy talk.

    2. avatar GS650G says:

      Who would vote for the democrats? Get a hold of yourself , man!

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        With fewer criminals on the streets there would be fewer Dems available to run for office.

        BTW, does this guy think his shit-eating grin will serve to protect him in a violent encounter?

        1. avatar Nigel the expat says:

          His wordz and feelz will.

          Besides, he can just call a cop. They teleport in instantly to protect you, don’t you know? 😉

    3. avatar Patrick says:

      That’s RACIST

        1. avatar tmm says:

          That’s SARCASM 😉

  2. avatar ActionPhysicalMan says:

    I consider myself a very emphatic person, maybe a closet bleeding heart, that makes me want to see more vulnerable people arm themselves and prepare themselves mentally to do what no one else can do for them.

    1. avatar Rick the Bear (MA to NH) says:

      That’s pretty much where I be at, yo. Seriously, when most people talk about protecting themselves from physical danger, they mean hiding and waiting for the danger to pass over. (Hey, I made a Passover joke.) Then I think: if only there was some kind of portable tool or device that could be used to stop an assailant. Ah, but there just isn’t anything. Too bad. 8~)

      As the Israelis say: pray for peace, prepare for war.

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        Borrowed from the Romans, no doubt: Si vis pacem, para bellum. (If you would have peace, prepare for war.)

        1. avatar Button Gwinnet says:

          I like parabellum in 9MM JHP.

    2. avatar Ing says:

      The so-called liberals restrict empathy to a narrow range of approved responses. Yet empathy is part of what makes me want to see MORE guns in our society, not less.

      Every time one of these school shootings happens, I feel it. I have children, so I know what it’s like to worry about their safety and fear for the future.

      The key difference is, like just about everyone else here on TTAG, I have a strong protective instinct. As a father, it’s part of my job to stand between my family and any threat to their lives. So my reaction goes past “somebody should shelter me and my children from the bad people” and includes a “why didn’t somebody shoot that evil fucker in the face when he showed up” component.

      That’s my empathy. I feel the pain of innocent victims and grieving parents, and I want to stop it at the source.

      1. avatar A. C. says:

        “The so-called liberals restrict empathy to a narrow range of approved responses.”

        And a narrow range of approved victims. Middle class white males are waaaaay out of that range.

        1. Why would they hate white males?

  3. avatar tdiinva (now in wisconsin) says:

    Yes, let us create an America where only criminals have guns.

    1. avatar Bob in IN says:

      I see it clearly, the left is blind to critical thinking.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        This guy’s a poster boy for the Anti-critical Thinking League. He notes that the disabled are twice as likely as the abled to be victims of violence but apparently has no clue why. Like, maybe because they’re defenseless? And they’d be equally defenseless with or without guns. He notes that black women are disproportionately victims of domestic violence and blames that on ‘lack of access to resources and distrust of authorities who should provide protection.’ The only resource they need access to is a firearm because the authorities are going to be across town at the doughnut shop while they’re being beaten to death. Assuming that is if they can get their phone out and explain their situation to the 911 operator. Total disconnect with reality. Our nation’s university system is a good place for this little snowflake to hide out.

    2. That’s not how they think. They think they can eliminate all guns. So let’s argue on their premise and still show the fallacy.
      What will be the next tool of choice for the killers? How about all the ones most killers are using right now?

      “If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns” makes a cute meme, but it misses the fat pitch thrown right down the middle.

      1. The only way to actually eliminate guns for ghood is to cause the Change. See the Emberverse series.

        1. Let’s don’t go there either.
          Look the liberal straight in the eyes and say “I don’t need a gun to kill you right now. All I need is the will”.

  4. avatar Pwrserge says:

    You see… there’s your problem. You think a non-sequitur is an argument.

  5. avatar T says:

    I can’t take a grown man that wheres a hoop earring serious.

    1. avatar Klause Von Schmitto says:

      Oh yea? What about pirates? They’re serious as hell.

      1. avatar Button Gwinnet says:

        Serious? Yeah, right. While the pirates are drinking rum and chasing wenches, the ninjas are scuttling their ships and kidnapping their captains.

  6. avatar herb says:

    this clown looks like leonardo di caprio’s sister after a botched sex change

  7. avatar VillarPerosa says:

    another vagina spawned from the brainwashing safe zone loving US college system

  8. avatar kap says:

    you want less violence, Arm everybody!

  9. avatar Chris Morton says:

    I have not one iota of empathy for the Cho Seung Huis, Nidal Hassans and Dylann Roofs of the world, only 200gr. .452 GoldDots.

  10. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Hey Doogie, the 80s called, they want their earring back. George Michael is dead. It’s time to move on.

    1. avatar Bob Jones says:

      But…but….but… that identifies him as one of the vagis noted by VP above.

  11. avatar tjlarson2k says:

    This is an easy one. Two ways to approach it.

    Substitution:
    Cars kill more people than guns everyday. No cry for less cars?

    Replace cars with a host of other things like heart attacks, diet, pools, etc.

    Reality:
    With terrorism (foreign and domestic) very much a reality and on the rise, this is the time you choose to try to further disarm Americans?

    Wow.

    1. avatar pg2 says:

      Medical care is the 3rd(likely 1st if all cases were actually reported) leading cause of death in the US(1,2), funny how these statist jock sniffs never cry out for fewer medical doctors or fewer pharmaceutical products.

      1. http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139
      2. https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-primary-care-policy-center/Publications_PDFs/A154.pdf

      1. avatar Dave M says:

        440,000 documented medical errors per year; actual number may be close to 1,000,000
        http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/05/survive-your-hospital-stay/index.htm

    2. avatar Chris Morton says:

      Actually, hardcore collectivists don’t like cars either, since like guns, they give the individual FAR too much autonomy.

      They prefer for the all powerful state to have total control over your ability to simply live, never mind travel. It goes without saying that they don’t couple absolute authority with the slightest hint of a duty to either protect or transport you, having removed the right to do those things for yourself.

      1. avatar pg2 says:

        Yep, hence the push for self driving, or remote controlled vehicles.

        1. avatar Mark N. says:

          More like walking, bicycles, and public transportation. But not cars, not even self-driving cars; cars are a “inefficient” since they transport fewer passengers per fuel consumed per mile traveled.

        2. avatar pod says:

          I know a guy who is exactly what you describe. He hates private vehicles that are under the control of a human being. His little utopia is basically where everyone has an Uber or Lyft account, and they can summon an autonomous vehicle at a moment’s notice, and of course, those vehicles are tracked and logged. He feels cars under the control of humans cause “too much” carnage on a yearly basis.

          The irony is, he’s not really keen on shared public transit, since that would mean he’d have to subject himself to poor people (he’s wealthy) and (gasp!) maybe crazy homeless folk.

          The collectivist wants to take all individual control away from the individual. Automation makes it easier, since people are lazy. Hell, I wouldn’t mind a robot car to call my own, but I sincerely hope I can control it myself at any given moment, and also disable all tracking and log features.

        3. avatar pg2 says:

          Absolutely.

      2. Of course, this begs the question of who would vote for hardcore collectivists.

        People who run away from the concept of personal responsibility in sheer terror?

  12. avatar GaPharmD says:

    Another we we we guy!

    If everyone in this country was required to offer their opinion only and could only make statements that are theirs alone, all this nonsense and bullshit “we” would put an end to lies and misrepresentation.

  13. avatar 11B says:

    How about more empathy, more guns? Wouldn’t the result be about the same, or better?

  14. avatar Jomo says:

    I’m sure empathy will protect him in his communistic hellhole when the non-gun-armed thug kicks down his door and beats him to death with bare hands. It’s laughable who intellectually stunted this kid is. Because the violent multiple felon couldn’t have simply stabbed the two victims with a plain kitchen knife or hell even a screwdriver.

  15. avatar No one of consequence says:

    Removing guns will not change human nature. It will just remove one tool humans can use, whether for good or evil. It’s the empathy (or whatever) that needs to be worked on first.

    Soft thinking and cries for empathy aside … at least this one understands that there is something that has to be done other than (well, in his mind in addition to) just eliminating a class of tools.

    1. Indeed.

      .SM. Stirling wriote the Emberverse series, where the Change made sure that guns would never work.

      In the end, the change killed half of humanity.

    2. avatar Chris Morton says:

      What he seems to want is a world controlled by large, strong men armed with clubs and edged weapons.

      We tried that.

      It was called “the Dark Ages”.

      1. S.M. Stirling’s Emberverse series captured the spirit of the Dark Ages.

    3. avatar Mark N. says:

      Exactly the point he completely misses. Violence has existed throughout the known history of man, whether that is in territorial battles, during the commission of crimes, intentional murder, domestic violence, whatever. Violence is hardwired into our DNA. And when it comes right down to it, our society today is less violent than life in the Dark Ages, as someone mentioned, or at the height of the Roman or Greek civilizations. The Egyptians engaged in war, and murder was a form of dynastic succession, as it has been (probably) in all royal families. And even Otzi the Ice Man was killed with an arrow fired from behind and above him, high up in the mountains.

  16. avatar James says:

    empathy is poison

    1. avatar Ing says:

      If so, you can thank the progressive social justice movement.

      They have taken the very thing that binds humans together and turned it into a poison arrow aimed right at the heart of Western society. They’re the most vile segment of humanity on the planet. Hell, even ISIS/Daesh are just standard-issue medieval barbarians; tribal violence writ large. SJWs are poisoning human nature itself.

  17. avatar Russp says:

    I am doing my best to help out. I am buying as many guns as I can afford in order to give them a good home, off the cold streets.

  18. avatar Swilson says:

    Quote of the Day = Joke of the Day

  19. avatar former water walker says:

    The pos husband would have killed his wife some way or another. Aided and abetted by “security” who let him traipse in and kill her and a child. Nothing whatsoever to do with “less guns”.

  20. avatar Soylent Green says:

    Need fewer David M. Perry’s

  21. avatar Max says:

    We need to outlaw murder!

    If only our politicians would get off their lazy asses and finally put an end to this nation’s long and sorted history with murder!

    With one simple legislative act, Congress can finally put an end to the scourge of murder in the US.

    Yes, with such a bill passed and signed by the President, we can finally have peace in our time and put an end to this horrendous nightmare plaguing our nation!

    Just say “no” to murder!

    1. Laws against murder do not do jack shit without an army to enforce them.

  22. avatar Damien Dahrk says:

    Pretty sure I saw Davy at The Blue Oyster (and before you ask…. I was on a stakeout)
    https://img.rt.com/files/oldfiles/news/estonia-nazis-gay-lawsuit/bar.jpg

  23. avatar SpeleoFool says:

    Empathy? You keep using that word. I do not think it mean what you think it means.

    If you eschew violence, and you’re truly empathetic, it’s not hard to see that the vast majority of people around you are *also* not impulsively violent. Having access to a gun will not make those people more aggressive or inclined to attack or murder anyone.

    You can only reach the conclusion that we need “fewer guns in America” if you *lack* empathy. You have to project a deep mistrust onto everyone you don’t know in order to assume that preventing them from accessing a gun means preventing violence. If you view those around you as fellow Americans, neighbors, mostly reasonable people who are more interested in just getting by than making trouble, then it really doesn’t matter if they have guns.

    So, go ahead–be more empathetic. Care more about domestic violence and threats against the disabled. If it bothers you so much, arm up and stand between the ones you want to protect and those who would do them harm. You stand a better chance of making a real difference than you do by “raising awareness” and wishing guns away.

  24. avatar Ricky Spanish says:

    Statistics show the opposite. reality check.

  25. avatar PROUD chicano says:

    A friend of mine has a wife who’s an anti she mostly has a difficult time understanding that firearms are inanimate. One night they were awoken by the sound of breaking glass. They called the police and hid in their room petrified. Turns out the police took over 30 mins to respond partly because they had the wrong apartment building at first. Turns out it was just some dishes that fell but they got spooked never the less.

  26. avatar Libertarian says:

    No do an america white out nfa act, forbid states assault weapon bans, statewide stand your ground law and zero off places and legalize all drugs for adults !

  27. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    I’m aware of domestic violence using many tools, and disabled people who can’t protect themselves without one.

    Why ignore the people hurt with fists n sticks? Why insist that disabled people not be even things up. It seems like as long as they’re not shot, empathy-guy there doesn’t care what happens to them. Sad.

  28. avatar IAmNotTheHulk says:

    Criminals and law enforcement, screw the little guy.

  29. avatar Mark N. says:

    My wife hates guns, but tolerates my having them. But being totally disabled and generally confined to a wheelchair when we go out, she is happy that I carry. She recognizes that she is a target, and that she could do nothing to protect herself if attacked.

  30. avatar Charles says:

    Screw you buckwheat.

  31. avatar Anonymous says:

    Guns aren’t the problem. People willing to murder other people are the problem.

  32. avatar Hannibal says:

    Every time these nincompoops open their mouths more guns are sold.

    If they REALLY want to reduce how many guns there are they would shut up, buy up cheap used ones and melt them down.

  33. avatar strych9 says:

    The problem here is that, by their nature, risk analysis is cold hearted and risk management is cold blooded. Feelz simply don’t have a place within these disciplines.

    Trying to inject emotions into objectively based tasks is a fool’s errand. It may not create failure every time but it greatly increases the chances of failure. When you fail at dealing with real, honest-to-God risks the results are often lethal and that’s where we end up all emotional with the “slow singin’ and flower bringin'”.

  34. avatar Ralph says:

    Actually, we must first imagine, then act to create, an America in which there are fewer and fewer Birkenstocks.

  35. avatar DaveW says:

    “Creating An America With Fewer Guns”… one Constitutionally empowered law abiding citizen gun owner at a time.

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