Blue Force Gear Quote of the Day: The Trace’s Shout Out to the Owenses and Faragos of the World

“We at The Trace strive to understand how the types of lethal instruments in Americans’ hands — all Americans, be they law enforcement, law-abiding civilians, or criminals — are changing, because that may have public safety implications. That’s a different framing than the Owenses and Faragos of the world adopt when they discuss the issue, and that’s fine. They are ardent enthusiasts, passionate advocates, and have a wealth of knowledge. But their command of technical details should give them some insight into what causes tens of thousands of Americans to die violent deaths every year. Instead, they wave that concern away.” – Alex Yablon in The Author of ‘The Second Dumbest Thing You’ll Read About Guns Today’ Responds to His Critics [via thetrace.org]

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  1. avatar No one of consequence says:

    Conflation and condescension and other big-syllable words. I’m so impressed…

    1. avatar Eric in Oregon says:

      Indubitably.

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        irrevocably

        1. avatar BLAMMO says:

          Egregiously opprobrious.

        2. avatar 16V says:

          Obsequiously fallacious.

        3. avatar Ralph says:

          Yah mon.

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      Huh? I’s a gun oner. I cant’ reed them big werds.

      1. avatar Dissident says:

        I only understand things written in crayon.

  2. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

    What causes tens of thousands Americans to die violent deaths every year? Gangs. Drugs and the black market created by their prohibition that fuels the gangs. Clinical depression. Lack of parenting and education. None of the causes of the violence have anything to do with guns, the guns just happen to be the most effective tool to perpetrate the violence just as they are the most effective tool to defend yourself from violence. Remove the guns and the violence will continue. And the other side knows this. It’s not about curbing the violence, it’s about controlling you.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      +1

      And +1 to the comment from “Anonymous” below who also refers to the demoralization of the United States of America … where “demoralization” refers to losing our values rather than being discouraged.

    2. avatar junkman says:

      Perfectly worded–only need to look to the Y (U) C (K) to see effects of civilian disarmament–England is rated as the MOST violent country in Europe–really worked out great, didn’t it?

    3. avatar 16V says:

      Actually, there isn’t anything that crosses the line into the tens of thousands other than suicide. Out of the 32K deaths involving a gun, pull the 20K suicides out and that just leaves 12K. Around 8K are gang/drug related, leaving around 4K in actual, you know, murders or accidental deaths. Out of a 330MM population? Under dispassionate analysis, it’s statistically irrelevant. Especially compared to the 300K+ per years of death by medical error – not ‘Christ Jim ,I’m a doctor not a miracle worker’ but ‘oops, wrong drug, wrong diagnosis,wrong treatment’ kinda errors.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        I figured his definition of ‘violence’ included suicide so I included clinical depression. Suicides aren’t caused by guns either.

        1. avatar 16V says:

          Wasn’t taking issue with you, merely the left’s continuous inclusion of suicides to inflate the number far in excess of what we used to mean by ‘violence’ in the context of murder- that it was perpetrated on you by someone else.

        2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          I’m thinking of starting an organization to stop bridge violence in the San Fransisco bay area.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicides_at_the_Golden_Gate_Bridge

        3. avatar kenneth says:

          I’m on board with the gov. Let’s ban the use of the bridge ASAP. Close both ends and make people drive around.
          After all, if it saves even one life it was a small price to pay(at least for me, since I wouldn’t go anywhere near frisco if you paid me).
          We MUST save our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!

        4. avatar 16V says:

          As a former Bay Area denizen, I can assure you the nanny state has spent much hand-wringing and guilt-spreading, trying to make the bridge ‘jumper proof’. So sad that pols really have no idea what drives suicidal people, and that while The Bridge is a romantic option, were it not available, that they would somehow abandon the idea and go to Jamba Juice or something is patently ludicrous.

        5. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

          I’ll make sure to count all the suicide victims (perpetrators) under the age of 26 as ‘children’ just to make it look even worse.

    4. avatar Mad Max says:

      Especially organized gangs that fund and bribe local politicians and judges (Chicago).

      Seems to me there should be some RICO cases to be brought there. Maybe Jeff Sessions will be able to get Chicago under control (here’s hoping).

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        Interestingly that was the approach taken with the gangs in Chicago in the 1990s – most of the senior people were jailed and the old gangs fragmented. A lot of people now think that the fragmentation led turf wars and other instability – and that’s led to a higher body count than wold be the case if the crime were better “organized”.

        Really, the gangs are just a manifestation of a deeper feral subculture.

        1. avatar neiowa says:

          See also the demtards and the drivel of their “Détente”.

        2. avatar Avid Reader says:

          A lot of the Chicago gang violence is territorial now. The housing projects are gone, the inhabitants dispersed with Section 8 housing. The old boundaries are now in constant flux, making the sparks and lead fly.

      2. avatar Icabod says:

        A 2012 study found Chicago had 600 gangs and gang factions that had 70,000 members. Add in relatives as well as supporters they are a voting block the politictions must deal wit.
        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/by-the-numbers-chicago-area-gangs/

    5. avatar NYC2AZ says:

      +1

      This article by a Public Defender has quite a bit of insight into the gang infested culture rot.

      It hasn’t always been this way of course. After WW2, black teen unemployment was around 9%, in the early 1980’s it was 40%, and today it is about 59%. Thomas Sowell has devoted hundreds of pages of text on how the Welfare State destroyed Black family culture and how it is now destroying the White and Hispanic family units as well.

      1. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

        And we need not confine our diagnosis of the corrosive effects of the welfare state to only the US.

        We can look at entire nations, like, oh, most northern European countries since 1970:

        http://www.oecd.org/els/family/SF2_4_Births_outside_marriage_and_teenage_births.pdf

        Look at the Scandinavian countries – Iceland with a 60%+ OOW birthrate – but which had been about 30% in 1970. Half of all births in the UK now are OOW.

        Welfare is highly corrosive to civilization – at a personal as well as national level.

    6. avatar Yawnz says:

      Strictly speaking, it’s the demand for drugs that creates the market, black or otherwise.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        Supply* and demand create the market, government prohibition makes it black.

        *Note that there is plenty of demand for unicorn farts and pixie dust but there is no market for them because there is no supply.

    7. avatar Mikial says:

      Well said!

      What caused almost 33,000 Americans to die in automobile accidents in 2015? What caused 25,000 Americans to die from prescription drug overdoses in 2014? What causes any death associated with the use of any object or substance?

      People, plain and simple. If it wasn’t cars, drugs and guns it would be baseball bats, knives and alcohol. As long as there are people there will be untimely deaths. As for the means to cause those deaths, just fill in the blank. The Left is on a crusade to shove their agenda down everyone’s throats regardless of the facts.

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        ‘What caused 25,000 Americans to die from prescription drug overdoses in 2014?’

        Well they clamped down on prescription drug abuse and now heroin deaths have quadrupled to the point where more people are dying from heroin overdose alone than homicide with firearm. If they had half an ounce of integrity they’d admit they’re playing wack-a-mole and face reality. But like I said, it’s not really about saving people.

  3. avatar Anonymous says:

    But their command of technical details should give them some insight into what causes tens of thousands of Americans to die violent deaths every year. Instead, they wave that concern away.

    They’re called thugs and criminals. What causes this is the demoralization of America, where people actually think murder is the answer. Also there aren’t “tens of thousands.” There are approximately 11,000 homicides. The remainder killed themselves and the method they used to do it really doesn’t matter.

    1. avatar James says:

      I sense some Saul Alin ski tactics here. That’s what that paragraph appears to be about.

  4. avatar Mk10108 says:

    Never in my lifetime one would think the size of a bullet would be linked to public safety and a concern for welfare of a nation. Furthermore what was the point of the article? Bigger calibers are more lethal to criminals’ victims? Would the inverse be law abiding citizens dispatching criminals apply as well?

    Is he suggesting lethal armaments should be restricted through legislation or stating a known fact about bullet size? Is he suggesting the Federal government interfere with interstate commerce?

    I wait his next installment to clarify his solution to the perceived problem.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      You have mistaken his interest in getting paid for writing anti-gun propaganda for an interest in actually solving any particular problem. Remember, if the “gun violence” problem goes away he’s out of a job.

  5. avatar General Zod says:

    “We at The Trace strive to understand…”

    Starting off with a lie and building from there. How typical. The Trace strives to understand nothing. They strive to propagandize and spread fear based on encouraged ignorance. Understanding that a tool is not the bad actor in its own misuse is not “waving concerns away”, it is what allows someone who strives for understanding to see what (or more accurately who) the actual responsibility lies with.

  6. avatar Boba Fett says:

    I wonder what The Trace has to say about alcohol; about saving all of those lives. Nothing? Sounds about right.

  7. avatar Shire-man says:

    So the Faragos are monsters because they know what they’re talking about and this guy is a glorious savior because he gets all hysterical about something he knows nothing about?

    Resist knowledge, embrace ignorance. Steps to becoming a successful prohibitionist.

    1. avatar General Zod says:

      War is peace / freedom is slavery / ignorance is strength. And disobeying Little Bloomberg is doubleplus ungood.

      1. avatar 16V says:

        Validated by their own e-mails, facts are “fake news” when the globalists don’t want the public to know the truth.

        The Trump victory was merely a skirmish, the real battle will be over the ability to be informed. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, the platforms that many are so reliant on, are very deliberately censoring who is there, what they are allowed to say, and what news you get to see. I don’t see any viable path to victory on that front.

        “Social Media. Why 2024 will be exactly like ‘1984’.” And there won’t be a Hooters girl with a hammer to save us…

        1. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

          Fortunately, the ‘net treats censorship as a routing failure, and routes around it.

          There’s naught preventing someone from creating the next Youtube or Facebook equivalent. There’s already work going on to create the next Twitter, since Twitter seems truly in love with their own stupidity.

        2. avatar kenneth says:

          That has already been done, in the case of facebook at:
          https://seen.life/

      2. avatar NYC2AZ says:

        It’s time to move ‘1984’ to the nonfiction section.

        1. avatar Ropingdown says:

          1984 speaks to many people, and certain features of that state read like a prototype for the current left government culture. However, I think Brave New World is more to the point. People need not be deprived and abused to fall into obeisance. The would-be rulers need merely encourage the masses in their seemingly insatiable desire for entertainment, novelty, and pleasure. Traveling that path, indulging unproductive appetite while being told they’re living the good life, the masses become child’s play to rule.

  8. When a news-related web site does not allow comments, you can bet they are a propaganda mill of some sort.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Only “fake news” allows dissent, don’t cha know.

  9. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    In summary, Mr. Yablon argues that passion trumps knowledge, which is essentially the official slogan of the American Leftist Snowflake Association.

  10. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    To say nothing about the ‘waving away’ of the millions of lives saved by DGUs….

    Something about the splinter in your neighbor’s eye comes to mind.

  11. avatar Senior Gun Owner 1950 says:

    Why is it that if I want to leave a reply directly at the TRACE, there’s no way to do so? Are they so so afraid that thoughtful well reasoned replies from knowledgeable ardent enthusiasts, passionate advocates of Second Amendment right who “have a wealth of knowledge” just might influence or convert some of their readers??
    I always thought it was the liberal left that wants to engage is discussion and education. Or is it just one sided gun control anti-Second Amendment rights discussions they what to have? That’s not a discussion. It’s indoctrination.

    Senior Gun Owner 1950
    A strong believer in gun control for over 50 years.
    Always control your gun and hit what you aim at.
    If you can’t you need more practice time on the range to get better control of your gun.

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      Why is it that if I want to leave a reply directly at the TRACE, there’s no way to do so?

      Because the trace is diligently and desperately trying to influence people to align others to their freedom hating statist concepts of regulating everything in existence under the guise of “public safety” so they can perfect the nanny state and we can all live forever in their version of happiness and peace with miserable forced smiles. And a comments section at the trace would get in the way of that.

    2. avatar kenneth says:

      Q: “Are they so so afraid that thoughtful well reasoned replies ”
      A: Yes. Absolutely terrified.

  12. avatar Joe R. says:

    Again, the Trace quadrupled (if not increased by a factor of four) its readers of that piece just by posting it here.

    By your technical prowess with guns you should avoid the fake news of the trace.

    The Trace is what cops do around a dead body with chalk or tape if said body’s technical prowess with arms is somewhat lacking.

  13. avatar dph says:

    Well, to be fair to Mr Yablon, he has written articles where he does have some expertise.
    Like this one about chickens with no nuts, that’s right down his alley.

    http://modernfarmer.com/2014/04/capons-unfairly-forgotten-piece-agriculture-somewhat-disturbing-luxury/

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      Yeah… He should probably stick to ball-less and eunuch roosters.

      1. avatar kenneth says:

        At this point,someone should make a remark about his being an expert on balllessness. Anyone? Beuler? Beuler?

  14. avatar former water walker says:

    Are us regulars “honorary Farago’s” of the world?? Good to see the fake news giving you props RF!

  15. avatar Anonymous says:

    We at The Trace strive to understand how the types of lethal instruments in Americans’ hands — all Americans, be they law enforcement, law-abiding civilians, or criminals — are changing, because that may have public safety implications.

    Doubtful. You at the Trace are paid to hate guns or paid because you hate guns and are paid for that very service to write ridiculous articles about freedom hating statism like “public safety” as applied to firearms. Absolutely comical. Killing people with guns is a criminal matter – not a public safety matter. When billionaire Bloomberg pays you guys to hate guns and write this nonsensical crap – yes we call you out on it. But whatever, yablon, go back to your mercenary work. It really is entertaining for us.

  16. avatar pod says:

    It’s called “advancement”, Alex. Through scientific and empirical research, it has been determined that rounds such as the .22LR, the .25 and the .32 are of insufficient power to stop a threat. The police and the military use ammunition that is (in theory) supposed to stop a threat faster. Why should us civilians be denied the same capability?

    9mm sells well because it has a proven track record and does the job of neutralizing a threat. It’s not about putting a big gaping hole in someone, it’s about using a round which will provably do it’s job.

    1. avatar No one of consequence says:

      I’m rather glad – for his sake – that he doesn’t seem to know about the renaissance in projectile design that’s taken place over the past decade or so.

      Some of the Lehigh Defense and Polycase / ARX rounds, in particular, would probably have his blood pressure spiking higher than those windmills over his shoulder in the photo above.

    2. avatar Mark N. says:

      It is much worse than that, I think. I don’t think that any of us consider 9mm to be a “large caliber” gun, especially since, when we are talking about bullet diameter as he was, 9mm = .38 = .380 = .357 (and in fact = the old .36 cal black powder rounds). Moreover, when it comes to the “tens of thousands who die of gun violence” through a self-inflicted gun shot wound to the head, which as noted above are the only “tens of thousands” out there, a .22 is just as effective as any other caliber. And he ignores the recent data that .22 are the second most common caliber after 9mm, an observation that undermines his entire premise. And last but not least, he ignores that the murder rate has been dropping steadily since the early ’90s. So what are these “public safety concerns” of which he writes?

  17. avatar Herb Allen says:

    Why do so many gungrabbers & other liberals wear that s*** eating grin?

    They think it makes them look like the Guy Fawkes mask as though they’re “speaking truth to power”, but it really doesn’t.

  18. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    Lets alter this sentence and see if it makes any sense.

    “We at The Trace strive to understand how the types of tools in Americans’ hands — all Americans, be they licensed contractors, unlicensed contractors, or DIYers — are changing, because that may have public safety implications. That’s a different framing than the Villas and Abrahms of the world adopt when they discuss the issue, and that’s fine. They are ardent enthusiasts, passionate advocates, and have a wealth of knowledge. But their command of technical details should give them some insight into what causes tens of thousands of Americans to improve their homes every year. Instead, they wave that concern away.”

    I lean towards no. The implication of having tools (or guns) available is not really as important as the one wielding them. Lets ask Japan about their suicide rates, or Mexico about their

  19. avatar Button Gwinnett says:

    “We need to make inexpensive, small handguns illegal because criminals use them!”

    “OMG! Criminals are using larger and more expensive firearms!”

  20. avatar DaveL says:

    I’d like to congratulate Mr. Yablon on being able to grow a beard, such as it is. Apparently building a rational thought it going to take at least a few more years of maturation.

  21. avatar LKB says:

    RF, are you paying him rent? You’ve plainly taken up residence in his head!

  22. avatar BierceAmbrose says:

    Anti-gun folks reject the conclusions of people they call experts, then wonder why their prolosals are opposed, and their policies don’t work.

    It’s almost like eternally having the live issue is its own reward.

  23. avatar Soylent Green says:

    “…give them some insight into what causes tens of thousands of Americans to die violent deaths every year. ”

    Tool misuse by immoral persons?
    To put it more bluntly, “It’s the people, stupid.”

  24. avatar LHW says:

    He’s kind of right, everyone knows that the MIGHTY .45 and .9 mm don’t just cut you in half, thy also steal your soul. /sarc

  25. avatar Kap says:

    Soon as these democrat Control freaks can stop human nature we’ll have nirvana! Sound Christian principles went into the framing of the Constitution, Man made restrictions placed burdens on Colonists to Pay for some Butt-heads king of England’s War! so to impose despotic rule {kind of like the Democrat party with PC rules, IRS, EPA, Federal Baby Incinerators, land management people of today} Back in the day a buggering King wanted our gun powder and Arms so we would have to pay all his bills {sorta like illegals of today} without any means of complaining by buck and ball, gunpowder etc. IE: Gun Control

  26. avatar Hannibal says:

    Hmm, the people who know the most about in inanimate object don’t ascribe that object with the guilt of how humans use it?

    Weird.

  27. avatar strych9 says:

    His prose brought a tear to my eye. Oh, wait that was dust.

    If he wants to get all technical and sciencey, the guns don’t kill anyone, the bullets do. Something about that dark art known as “physics”.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      But big boollets kill you deader, doncha know. So leetle boollets for the leetle people, and GREAT BIG boollets for the poo-leece. So that BLM has something to riot about when a “young child” is “shot down in cold blood” by the po-leece. ..Oh wait. What was his point again?

  28. avatar Sprocket says:

    In short, “I have no idea what I’m talking about, but it sounds good to the other lefty jackasses so I publish it anyway. And it’s your fault I’m clueless, because reasons, and stuff”.

  29. avatar PeterK says:

    “they took offense that I would pose these questions about the relationship between the gun supply and crime in the first place.
    […]
    When gun companies sell their wares to police forces and civilians, they tout these very qualities”

    It’s called marketing, Homie. Just because it’s sold that way doesn’t make it so. Also the very qualities that you say make something so horrific are the things that would make it great for defensive use. Something you still didn’t bother to address. Can’t imagine why.

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