Kimber Gun Rights Bulletin: 2A Supporting West Virginia AG Gains Maximum Reciprocity

sj7vnsc_1kimber_blk_logo_smallWest Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey has done a remarkable job of expanding reciprocity with other states for West Virginia’s concealed carry permits. And the West Virgina Citizen’s Defense League has noted his efforts.

From wvrecord.com:

Keith Morgan, president of the West Virginia Citizens Defense League, said his group was optimistic the new provisional licenses would be recognized in three to six states, initially believing any expansion beyond that would take years.

“The relentless tenacity with which Attorney General Patrick Morrisey’s office attacked this issue, resulting in recognition from 16 states, is quite frankly, astonishing,” Morgan said in a press release. “The number of hours of work required cannot be over stated. That we have official recognition from this many states in just five months, is more than a testament to the commitment of the Attorney General’s office to defending and recovering the recognition of our inherent human right to self-defense.”

The AG’s office even provides handy links to the states for permit holders:

States Recognizing West Virginia Concealed Handgun Licenses

* Does not require CHL to carry concealed, but local restrictions vary**Only recognizes licenses issued after June 8, 2012

When it comes to reciprocity, the official in charge of the process makes an enormous difference. A rollback in reciprocity was temporarily accomplished recently by the Virginia Attorney General. The backlash was swift and decisive. In Minnesota, the Commissioner of Public Safety did her best to minimize a legislative reform aimed at expanding reciprocity, too.

National reciprocity is coming. It’s too logical and popular an idea to be stopped.

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  1. avatar Renner says:

    The only states that do not recognize Wisconsin’s permit are on an international border (inclusive of oceans and Great Lakes). What’s up with that?

    1. avatar Guerrero says:

      Supposedly, part of it is that Wisconsin doesn’t have a fingerprint requirement.

  2. avatar William says:

    Patrick Morrisey is doing God’s work.

  3. avatar FedUp says:

    That prompted me to check the map.
    The states that don’t accept Michigan permits are pretty much the states that don’t recognize any out of state permits.
    I wasn’t surprised that included IL and CA, but I was surprised it included OR.
    Unfortunately, it’s hard to drive west without going through IL, but CA, OR and the New England hellholes are avoidable.

    1. avatar Other Tom in Oregon says:

      We don’t recognize out of state licenses so that we can avoid all the blood in the streets everyone who does gets. Of course we’re shall issue and even in the Portland area a surprising amount of people carry but we’re saving that one life so…

    2. avatar Mike B in WI says:

      However, it IS legal in IL for an out of state person with a valid CCW/CHL/Call it what you will to carry concealed in their vehicle while driving. You just need to store it properly it you want to get out of your car and go into a restaurant, store, gas station, etc. I just always make sure that I have a full tank of gas before I cross the boarder into IL on my way to the free country on the other side of Chicago (Indiana), so I just keep it in the holster and I’m good.

      See (430 ILCS 66/40)
      (e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
      (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law;
      (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of residence, if applicable; and
      (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
      If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        Illinois does not recognize out of sate licenses, instead issuing licenses for nonstate residents who desire them. But the license is so onerous to obtain as to be essentially unobtainable unless you reside in a border state and can go to Illinois to get the license. I understand that a lawsuit has been filed that is seeking to change that which will hopefully result in some form of reciprocity.

  4. avatar strych9 says:

    What’s the difference between a Concealed Handgun License and a Provisional Concealed Handgun License?

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      Provisional is for 18 year to 20 year olds

      1. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        I thought federal law prohibited people under the age of 21 to possess handguns?

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          Federal law prevents purchase by those under 21. As far as I know that’s as far as it goes.

        2. avatar DonS says:

          Clarification: Federal law (18 USC 922(b)(1)) only prohibits ***FFLs*** from selling or delivering handguns to persons under 21 years of age.

          No federal prohibition on possession. No federal prohibition on transfers between non-licensees (e.g. non-FFL seller to 18-year-old buyer).

    2. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      Same concept as provisional drivers licenses, which designate younger licensees age 16-18 and must be renewed within that shorter two year period. Provisional CHL is for licensees age 18-20, but aren’t recognized by as many other states as a full license, because of the lower age limit.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        When I lived in WV a 14yo could get a drivers license under certain circumstances. That was over 30 years ago. Laws change. In those days you had to be connected to get a chl.

    3. avatar strych9 says:

      Ah, thanks for the clarification. We don’t have those in Colorado unless someone is under threat of imminent death or great bodily harm, like a violent ex or a stalker or something and a court has determined it appropriate to bend the law for that person. I don’t remember what they’re called off the top of my head but they’re not called “provisional” it’s “emergency use” or something like that. I’m sure they’re not valid in other states though.

      Same deal in WV or do they just hand out provisional permits to 18-20 year olds to carry a pistol?

      1. avatar Aaron says:

        18-20 year olds: Effective May 24, 2016, WV residents from 18-20 years of age, and who are not otherwise prohibited by law, may obtain a Provisional License to carry a concealed deadly weapon, for a total cost of $40. It will be valid until the applicant turns 21 years of age.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          That’s pretty awesome. Thanks for the info.

      2. avatar DonS says:

        strych9: They’re called “temporary emergency permits”. CRS 18-12-209.

        A sheriff may issue a temporary emergency permit to a person who the sheriff has reason to believe may be in immediate danger. It doesn’t say anything about a court determination, just the sheriff having reason to believe. (I wouldn’t call it “bending the law”, when the law expressly provides for the permits).

        Differences between them and our “normal” permits:
        * $25 fee (vs $152.50, or so)
        * no requirement to “demonstrate competence with a handgun”
        * no fingerprinting requirement
        * expires in 90 days (vs 5 years)
        * 18 years of age (vs 21)

  5. avatar beefeater says:

    Good luck getting national reciprocity past NY, NJ, CA, MA, and CT. Unfortunately, they have enough influence to pretty much make it a non-starter.

    1. avatar DO says:

      Yep but then again, why visit those states once all the rest have reciprocity, saner gun laws, better economies, lower costs of living, and less gang crime?

  6. avatar ButtHurtz says:

    Reciprocity?

    It’s called the second Amendment.

    Shoot all tyrants.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      You start. Make sure to tattoo your internet name on your forehead so we know who the real hardcore guys from TTAG are when they go down fighting.

      Dumbass keyboard warrior dipshit, DKWD… that’s you.

      1. avatar ButtHurtz says:

        Thanks, bootlicker.

  7. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    No need for reciprocity here in Iowa. We honor everybody’s permits. Even Minnesota’s.

    Douchebags.

  8. avatar Libertarian says:

    Theres 2 dangerous points to know about wv

    Knifes unter 21

    http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=362&Itemid=1

    Felony for loadet gun on school ground INSIDE car still for permit holder !

    WV is alone white wisconsins and new york in that point if i am right

    http://www.wvcdl.org/WVCCW.php

    1. avatar mark s. says:

      I have no clue what you are trying to convey , imply or impugn Libertarian , knives are legal with a limit on OTF’s and blade lengths , but allowed with concealed carry permits and schools and gov. buildings are off limits with or without permits and OC and CC are legal for anyone over 21 without permit 18-21 with .
      I thank Obama often for converting out state back to constitutional principles , with strong conservative political leadership in our House , Bill Cole and many reps. that brought about many long over due changes . Right to work is big and Obama has certainly helped there by decimating our states largest organized R & F in the Coal Miners of America .

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