Defensive Gun Use of the Day: The Story of Joe Morelock

 

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Illinois Department of Natural Resources Deputy Police Chief Joe Morelock at Guns Save Life’s Champaign, IL meeting.

I serve as the Executive Director of Guns Save Life, a successful and aggressive regional grassroots gun rights group that meets in six cities each month in Illinois. Each month, our meetings feature a main speaker and we bring in some fascinating people. One month last year at our Champaign, Illinois meeting, the Illinois Department of Natural Resources Deputy Police Chief Joe Morelock visited. After giving a summary of IDNR programs and news, Joe shared with us his very personal story of defending himself and his children from a home invader. His self-defense story came loaded with practical lessons for us all.

The incident took place in December 2012 and lasted nearly nine minutes.  The aftermath lasted considerably longer.

Deputy Chief Morelock prefaced his remarks by telling us he was going to move around the room while he talked; he wanted to be open and not keep a podium between himself and the listeners, because he had nothing to hide. He also warned us that it might get emotional, as the incident involved his family and this was the first time he had ever spoken about it publicly.

To frame his decision-making that night, he gave us a summary of his background and training. After high school, he served in the U.S. Marine Corps, seeing active duty in Operation Desert Shield/Storm, Operation Eastern Exit (Somalia), Cuba (Operation GTMO-2 tours in support of the Haitian Migrant Crisis), and Puerto Rico. While in the military, he had MP and SWAT training.

After his service, he worked as a part-time police officer while going to college. When he was through with school, he applied to the Illinois State Police and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources. He has also gone to the State Police Academy and the DNR academy, and has since worked his way up to deputy chief of the law enforcement division of IDNR. He was part of a team that went to New Orleans for a few weeks to assist after Hurricane Katrina.

He has had to discharge his weapon three times in the line of duty; twice at animals, one a Bengal tiger. He was also wounded in the face and legs by shotgun pellets during the apprehension of a armed robbery suspect in one incident. “I know guns from both ends,” he said.

He wanted us to know about his previous training and experience because if any of us are ever involved in an incident like he was, we might well make different choices about how much to intervene, and when or when not to use our firearm.

The Incident

December 16, 2012 was a good day for Joe and his family…until that night. Extended family stopped by their home in Decatur earlier in the day, and later his wife left for an overnight with other relatives at a bed and breakfast in another town. He took his kids Christmas shopping — they were 10 and 6 at the time — and when they got home, he let them stay up late watching movies and camping out on the living room floor. He was with them in the living room late that night, sleeping, when he heard a loud noise.

Joe looked out his front door and saw a woman sitting on his front lawn, and a man standing over her choking her with both hands. Both appeared to be in their early 20s. Joe opened the front door and forcefully told the guy to go away. The guy walked to the end of the driveway where Joe’s squad car was located. He then stopped and began pounding on the woman’s car, yelling and cursing at the woman and at Joe.

Joe ran upstairs and retrieved a gun – a 1911-style pistol. Running back down to the front door, he found the woman pounding on the door, pleading and begging to be let in. Her attacker had lost interest in battering the woman’s vehicle, and advanced toward her and the front door, clearly intent on resuming his attack.

Joe let the girl in, ordered her to stand in one corner, and secured the door. He decided at that point that he needed a different weapon. He thought his duty belt with his duty sidearm was downstairs, so he ran down to get it, only to find that it wasn’t there. He remembered that he had left it in the trunk of his squad car. He found his GLOCK duty gun downstairs, however, with which he had shot thousands of rounds over the years. “It was an extension of my hand” he said of his familiarity with the weapon.

Running back up the stairs, he was on the phone with 911, describing what he was wearing (not much, just green shorts and a t-shirt). Why tell them that? Because the police were on their way and he wanted them to know what the good guy looked like before they showed up, so he didn’t get shot by responding officers. “Decatur Police,” he said admiringly “don’t miss much.” He wanted them to know who not to shoot before they arrived on scene.

As he returned to the main floor, the cursing assailant had begun trying to kick the front door. Joe told him to stop but the attacker wasn’t listening. Moments later, the aggressor forced his way into the house and began advancing on the woman. Joe had his firearm pointed at the assailant from the moment he entered the house, and kept giving repeated commands to the assailant, all of which the angry invader ignored. The man began attacking the woman again and Joe continued to tell him to get away, get on the ground, etc.

You can hear all this on the 911 call, which was released publicly after the incident, and is nearly nine minutes long. Joe gave the man every opportunity to cease the attack, probably more opportunity than most of us would. Joe said he was trying to buy time for responding officers to arrive. The assailant, instead of backing down or complying, stripped off his hat and shirt, and advanced on Joe, puffing his chest in the classic pre-violence posturing. He kept challenging Joe to “shoot me.”

Joe kept himself between the assailant and his kids who were still in the living room and did his best to keep the girl behind him as well. Joe kept giving ground, hoping the police would get there in time.

The assailant backed him all the way into his living room, where his kids had been sleeping. They were awake now, and the older boy was covering his younger sister with his own body to protect her, hiding both of them under a blanket. Joe kept giving verbal commands. He kept giving ground – until he stood with his children at his feet behind him.

Then Joe fired his weapon, striking his would-be assailant with a single .40 S&W round dead center mass, ending the immediate threat.

The girl became hysterical, of course, and ran to the dying man. It turns out she was his estranged wife, and despite him trying to choke her minutes before, she still loved him.

Joe did what he had to do when he had no other option.

The Decatur police had rolled up and were just approaching the front door when they heard the gunshot’s report. The Deputy Chief had high praise for how the local cops handled things.

He learned later that the cops took the kids out, keeping them covered with the blanket so they wouldn’t see what was on the floor in their home.

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The Aftermath

If you’re involved in a use of force like this, you will be a suspect until proven otherwise. Joe knew this, and complied with the officers who arrived. He was put in the back of a squad car and eventually taken to the police station. Joe said that after such an incident, your thinking will be cloudy. It’s best, after answering the basic questions of who you are and where you live, to assert your right to counsel and stop making statements until later, when your body has recovered and your mind has had a chance to clear.

As he sat in the back of that patrol car in his driveway, a jumble of thoughts were crashing through his head:

“I just killed someone in front of my kids.”
“I just ruined Christmas.”
“The house is ruined.”
“We can’t come back here.”

The kids, of course, would have to go somewhere as Joe was being detained for questioning. Their mom was out of town. They asked Joe where she was. He didn’t know the address, but he was able to tell them the name of the bed and breakfast and the town.

They asked for his wife’s phone number. In his post-incident confusion, he couldn’t remember it. A number he used every day, but so much was going on in his mind he just couldn’t remember it. They said that was all right, they would figure it out.

He suggested the boy’s basketball coach, who lived nearby and had kids about the same ages as his, as someone who could take care of the kids for the night.  He was able to give a name, but again, not an address or phone number.  Decatur Police figured that out, too, and the kids were taken care of.

He noted how the confusion he experienced just reinforces earlier advice of asking for counsel and not making a statement about the event immediately. His mind wasn’t up to giving accurate information that soon after the incident. He couldn’t accurately recall his wife’s cell phone number, much less exact details of what had just happened.

He was taken to the police station and the police again asked him what had happened. “I very respectfully told them that I hoped they understood, but the police union I was a member of had a lawyer available to me and I wanted to talk to them before saying anything else.” The investigator was not upset with him, and no undue pressure was put on him to talk before he was ready.

They had been able to find his wife and told her that the few clothes he was wearing were likely to be taken as evidence. Later that night, he was allowed to leave, wearing the clothes his wife had purchased at Walmart in the middle of the night on the way to the station.

He couldn’t go home. Not only was his front door broken and his house a mess, it was still a crime scene and investigators were still there. Also, threats from the family and friends of the “suspect” were already coming in.

The Lessons

Counseling; don’t go it alone – After the incident, Joe got counseling for the kids, and for himself. “That was a very good decision,” he said. One of the first things the psychiatrist told him was to get out of that house. Sell it and move. He told Joe that he would never be comfortable there again; that he’d never be able to relax; it would slowly destroy his family. It could cost him his marriage. It might cost him his life, too. So Joe took the advice and called a couple of friends and relatives on the way home.

Joe was grateful that brother officers from his department and others stood by while Joe and friends moved belongings out of the house.

The press is not your friend – The initial reports in the media were that someone had been “murdered” at his house. They sensationally reported the event, and not to his benefit. Later, he and some friends came over to the house to move out personal belongings. He asked the press people to please not film them as they took stuff out of the house; they ignored his requests, and filmed anyway. The press will say what they want to say and do what they want to do, and it probably won’t be good for you.

The local television media shot video rather intrusively as Joe and his family packed up some of the essentials and carried them out of the house. They ran the footage on the local evening news as well.

Expect threats – The family members and friends of the “suspect” not only communicated threats to Joe and his family, they harassed his neighbors looking for people to testify against him.

The suspect’s “friends” found a guy to kill Joe and his wife. The would-be killer, who was suffering from terminal cancer, went to police when he found out the friends wanted him to kill Joe’s children, too. That led to around-the-clock security for about three months.

It’s expensive to shoot someone, even justifiably – The incident saved Joe’s family from harm…and cost them about $40,000 to $50,000 all told. Hotels, counseling, and relocation all cost money. Immediate repairs had to be made to the house, and because of all the press coverage, the market value took a nosedive. Joe took a $17,000 loss when he sold the home. There were relocation expenses, too.

He had to live with his mother-in-law for a year.

Home invasion.

Scene of the incident in Decatur, IL.

Results of the Investigation

The case went to a coroner’s jury where the family members of the deceased again appeared and brought accusations against Joe. The jury came back, and in a very unusual occurrence, made a statement before delivering their verdict: “The safety and sanctity of the home shall not be violated.” They then ruled this as a case of justifiable homicide.

Joe summarized his experience this way: “I’m glad I had a gun. I’m glad I had all that training. Be vigilant. Complacency kills.”

Joe said he kept a copy of everything that was written about him or the incident. When GSL asked him to speak to our group, he remembered the support he had gotten from us at the time on our website, both in the story we published and the comments from GSL members supporting his actions that night. We were perfect strangers, yet he said the support came when he needed it most. He reread that stuff and decided to accept our invitation.

We’re grateful that he did. It was a heartfelt talk that drew a long standing ovation at the end. Joe gladly answered questions, both during the presentation and for a half hour or more after the meeting. We’re lucky to have such a man as this in law enforcement and as a neighbor. Thank you, Joe, for coming to speak and for doing what you do.

comments

  1. avatar BDub says:

    Harrowing story. Thanks for sharing.

    1. avatar Charlie Mike says:

      Too bad Joe didn’t have a large dog. Even a 60 pound mutt can put the fear of God into a would-be perp.

      1. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

        Too bad Joe didn’t have a decent front door. Even a hundred bucks worth of an ANSI grade I deadbolt and a reinforcement kit for the strike plate, hinges, and doorknob would easily have bought enough perimeter defense time for the cops to show up.

        Everybody spends so much money on their firearms, ammo, accessories, training, you name it, and goes through all the risk and discomfort of home carrying, but won’t spend a few bucks reinforcing their weak points of entry.

        For example, how many of you have that cheap builder’s grade hollow core door with the chintzy bathroom door-style doorknob lock leading in from your attached garage or utility room? A marginally well nourished ten year old girl could kick that open on no more than the second try. Getting past the garage door itself? That just takes a coat hanger, if it isn’t already wide open.

        Just as you’d prefer we fight the terrorists over there as opposed to over here, you should strive to defend against home invaders outside of your home first, as opposed to inside it.

        1. avatar John Boch says:

          “Too bad Joe didn’t have a decent front door. Even a hundred bucks worth of an ANSI grade I deadbolt and a reinforcement kit for the strike plate, hinges, and doorknob would easily have bought enough perimeter defense time for the cops to show up.”

          Bought some time, sure. But the attacker was a big boy, fueled by anger and adrenaline and if I recall correctly, some recreational pharma. I don’t care what sort of reinforcement kit you’ve got, short of a metal doorframe and metal door, no conventional doorframe in modern construction is gonna take a 200+ pound angry gent kicking and putting his shoulder into it for nine plus minutes.

          John

        2. avatar neiowa says:

          To start with a “commercial style” door that opens OUTWARD not the standard idiotic Menards style inward opening residential door. A solid outward opening door properly installed will take a halligan to open. Or step up to steel frame/steel clad door.

        3. avatar Sunshine_Shooter says:

          A kick plate, hard enough door, and good bolts would tire most ‘strong’ men out before they came close to going through. A chemically altered state of mind changes things, of course, but a human body can only do so much.

      2. avatar Christopher says:

        At 1:27 you can hear Joe’s family dog bark twice.

        At 2:02 Joe said on the recording, “I also have a dog in here that will eat him as well.”

        5:21 the 911 operator asks, “Sir, where is your dog at?” Joe responds, “The dog is right here with me.” Then Joe calls the dog to himself.

        I am so sorry that Joe and his family had to go through this horrific ordeal. The press appears to have been, well… the slanted, left wing, anybody with a gun is evil as opposed to a balanced information provider.

  2. avatar Joe R. says:

    Cops not there to help. 911 a distraction at crucial time of required focus. Media there to hurt to multiply their benefit. Bad guys working with/for the “good guys” and vice versa.

    Check.

  3. avatar jwm says:

    I betcha they’ll be a lot of comments under mine saying things to the tune of ‘I wouldn’t have opened the door, my gun is to protect me and mine’.

    But Joe was a cop. He did what his calling drew him to do.

    1. avatar CarlosT says:

      All true, but it cost him and his family dearly. There isn’t an easy fix, but this is something that has to be considered if we want people to look out for one another more in our society.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        There needs to be a national standard for these situations. Take me for instance. I’m in my 60’s. Retired. Taxpayer. Family man. Clean record.

        If i shoot a 22 yo with a rap sheet in my own home the investigation needs to be conducted. But it needs to be done in a commonsense manner that adds as little more stress to me, the victim as possible.

        And we have swat teams all over now. They need to be turned lose on people making threats and trying to bully witnesses after such a shooting.

        And if the news people can’t wait to get it right they can be sued out of existence for calling me a murderer.

        The scales have to be balanced to protect the victim. Cause the idiot that died here wasn’t the victim.

        1. avatar Baldwin says:

          This.

        2. avatar Sunshine_Shooter says:

          I like the idea of using SWAT teams to keep people from threatening victims and witnesses. The fact that it isn’t illegal (or isn’t enforceable) is tragic.

    2. avatar CGinTX says:

      Unless and until you are there, watching someone get beaten (possibly to death) on your stoop, there’s no way you can rationally say whether or not you would have done your best to save their life. As a keyboard commando, doing the Monday morning quarterbacking thing, I can certainly think “Man, a domestic dispute is bad news” or “Man, letting that dude’s wife/girlfriend stand behind me is risky as hell” but I honestly can’t say that I wouldn’t have done the same thing before watching another human being kill another on my porch. Or not. I wasn’t there. And I hope to never be. But if I am, I hope that at a minimum my home carrying would put me one step ahead over what this poor guy faced.

    3. avatar Bob R says:

      No police department anywhere in the U.S. has any legal obligation whatsoever to protect any citizen. Many court cases have affirmed this.

  4. avatar decoy91 says:

    Next to the picture, my brain read the headline as a Joe Moreglock.

    😛

    1. avatar FormerWaterWalker says:

      I thought “Eloi”…he’s a good guy. I need to get involved with Guns Save Life- As does every gun owner in Illinois…

  5. avatar Hannibal says:

    There’s no way I would let someone like that advance to a room where my kids are after they kick in the door. Outside the door, you can do what you want while the police are coming. Inside… nope.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      My thinking too. I’m getting between you and my loved ones and then it’s on.

  6. avatar Ralph says:

    I feel bad for what Joe went through, and I respect his decision to help a woman in distress. Personally, I would have let the BG do whatever he wanted to do — outside.

    I’ve said this before. The stranger you save will not be your friend. That stranger will not lift a finger to help you, will not contribute toward your defense, will refuse to testify on your behalf, and will drop you like a bad habit at the first opportunity.

    I know this because anyone responsible enough to do those things for you would also be responsible enough to take charge of his or her own defense. I also know this because I practiced law for over thirty years and I know what people will do.

    You fight for yourself, for friends and for family. That’s why you’re armed. If you kill someone for a stranger, you get what you get, and you won’t like it.

    1. avatar kevin says:

      I don’t want to believe you, but unfortunately I think I do.

    2. avatar Ladd Boid says:

      Twenty years or so ago, someone was pounding on my front door and begging to be let in. I looked through the door peephole to see a young woman. I unbolted and unlocked the door to let her in when I noticed she was somewhat bloody. Then I saw why. He drunk husband was after her with a kitchen knife. He was maybe 8 feet outside the door. He kept telling me he was going to give it to me if I didn’t allow him to get his wife. I tried reasoning with him but he was so bloody drunk. I finally distracted him enough that I was able to surprise him and close the door. I then hustled to make sure all lower floor doors and windows were closed. The guy then started beating on my door and a window beside it. I was temporarily in another city and didn’t have a gun with me. I did have my ball bat and golf clubs. Luckily my neighbor witnessed the happenings and called the Sheriff’s. A deputy promptly arrived ordering the guy to drop the knife and get on the ground. The guy refused to do so. A second deputy then arrived and together they disarmed the guy. The first deputy told me he was squeezing the trigger when the second deputy arrived as the guy was advancing on him. Not sure what the outcome was as the DA never contacted me. The deputy just thanked me for opening the door to let her in as he was sure the guy would have killed her otherwise. I needed a new door. The point is that I instinctively opened the door because I saw someone in distress. I think that’s what usually happens. It would be very hard to sit back and watch someone be killed or hurt without trying to help. I didn’t have my wife and kids with me so my thinking may have been different had they been present. I don’t know.

      1. avatar Sunshine_Shooter says:

        I’m with you. I can’t imagine watching someone get murdered in my front yard because “it’s not my problem”. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself. I also wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I let them into my home and they hurt my family. I just hope and pray that I’m never put into that situation.

    3. avatar Nynemillameetuh says:

      It’s not physically possible for me to agree with you more than right now. All this “rah rah cops feck yeah duty crying eagles” BS smells funny. Like, a dead raccoon in your fridge funny. I’m not taking in the crazier half of an au pair into a house with my children. Sorry. Let the herocops ™ on duty handle it. I am not that brother’s keeper.

    4. avatar JimM says:

      Exactly right. Call 911 and be a good witness. Get the kids someplace safe. Do not let anyone in your house!

    5. avatar jwtaylor says:

      “You fight for yourself, for friends and for family. That’s why you’re armed.” No sir, I fight for all sorts of people, most of them people who wouldn’t lift a finger for me, and half the time wouldn’t lift a finger to help themselves either.
      My moral obligation has nothing to do with theirs. Just because someone else is a coward, doesn’t mean I have to be.

  7. avatar kevin says:

    Not a cop, but still I don’t think I could sit there and let someone get strangled to death on my front lawn as I’m huddled down with a gun. Shooting someone in your house will ruin your day, but watching someone get murdered on your front lawn isn’t a whole lot better.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      That would be a really tough call.

  8. avatar gs650g says:

    I think he got better treatment as a cop, in a town the size of Decatur, than a citizen in a large liberal city. The cops would be applying massive pressure downtown. In a rough neighborhood he’d have bullet holes in the front wall. If this goes down just be glad you are alive. The media will treat you like Zimmerman second guessing everything. You will probably lose your house, job, some friends and maybe your marriage.

    But you’ll still be here.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      1. Don’t live in a “large liberal city”.

      1. avatar Sunshine_Shooter says:

        Exactly.

    2. avatar Bob R says:

      Imagine if the perpetrator was black and it happened recently?

  9. avatar John Boch says:

    Well-trained people have been taught to avoid confrontations. We’ve also been taught de-escalation techniques and know the ramifications if we become involved.

    Sometimes, including in this case, life feeds good people a big crap sandwich.

    The bully / aggressor in this case mistook Joe’s avoidance and efforts to diffuse the situation for weakness.

    He made a sudden and profound error in the bullying victim selection process and frankly, the world is better off for it.

    I used to be one of those “I’m never going to get involved” people. Then one day, a student raised his hand and said, “What if that was my daughter working?” – in reference to a convenience store robbery scenario – “Wouldn’t you try to save her?” Before that question, I was a lot more selfish in a sense. I thought getting a gun stuck in your face was just a fringe benefit of working the graveyard shift at the stop and rob.

    It got me to thinking. What if that was my mom that walked in on a robbery in progress? Would I want someone like me (or maybe Ralph or other well-trained, equipped and skillful individuals) to step up and stop the bad man with evil in his heart and save her life?

    In short, yeah, you bet I would. So I’d do the same.

    There’s no way I’d let some guy strangle a woman to death on my front yard. Just as I’d not let a bad guy start shooting people in a public venue without taking action in most circumstances where opportunity presented itself.

    Having said that, if I had a baby in my arms or a pregnant wife with me… those folks are probably on their own because I’m got engaging any bad guy with a baby in my arms unless I have to.

    John

    1. avatar jwm says:

      We see a lot of comments here about the good people in crime ridden neighborhoods getting involved and confronting the bad guys.

      What kind of neighborhood, or community, do you have where armed men hide inside while a woman is being murdered outside?

      As you said. Sometimes life dumps a shit sandwich in your lap.

  10. avatar Anon says:

    Ralph is correct, no good deed goes unpunished. I would like to think I would have the quick thinking to not open the door.

    The other part is that it could have been a scam to get into his house. He risked his kids, hope I don’t do that.

    Kind of like two people fighting, then turn on the person who intervened to break it up, then they kill him. It has happened.

    The vast majority of police however are trained to help and intervene, God Bless him.

    1. avatar gs650g says:

      Joe had a squad car in the driveway. The PERP decided to beat the ex in front tomorrow of an officers house. If Joe did nothing his inaction would have been the top story instead.

      1. avatar neiowa says:

        Good point. The thugs should have won a Darwin when he ignored the cops FIRST command to stop beating the woman.

    2. avatar skoon says:

      +1
      First thing I thought. “It’s a trap”
      The only thing I would have done different was let out the shepherds on that guy. I have been in a vaguely similar situation to this where a guy was beating his girl in front of my house at 7 am.. by the time I grabbed the piece (now I home carry 24/7) and the dogs the girl got in her car and drove off. Still enough to get the blood flowing early in the morning.

  11. avatar gs650g says:

    In a better world the community would stand behind the good guy with the gun. Not gonna happen. The story goes national and everyone weighs in. But at least you get to read about your problems instead of your family reading a eulogy.

    1. avatar JoshFormerlyinGA says:

      He is a fvcking cop for crissakes and look how they lampooned him in the media. I don’t even want to imagine what would happen to a non “chosen one” in the same situation. Frankly, Joe showed amazing restraint in the situation to not shoot the moron sooner. This story just cements my cynical outlook on helping strangers, especially those involved in domestic disputes: you will be seen as the bad guy if you have to escalate to deadly force, so you have to ask yourself before you intervene are you prepared to ruin your life to save the life of a stranger?

  12. avatar CCDWGuy says:

    Someone is breaking into my house, try to get here as soon as possible. I am armed and I have children in the home.

    After the incident, I felt that my life and the life of my children were under an imminent danger and I had to defend myself and them. Before I say anything else I want to speak to an attorney. End of discussion.

  13. avatar strych9 says:

    What the psychiatrist told him is true. I had a neighbor who got shot the chest with a .22. The perps got the wrong house and just shot him when he answered the door. Then they ran off.

    He was so traumatized by the whole thing he couldn’t go back to the house after he was released from the hospital. His wife didn’t understand. Arguments ensued. Within a year he was divorced and she had custody of the kids and a nice alimony payment. He had to sell the house to pay the bills the whole thing wracked up. Truly sad.

  14. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    Good work, I have little doubt that he saved her life that night.

    I have had one run-in with a battered woman trying to escape her ex. You would have thought the devil was after her. Chances are above average he was.

  15. avatar cenonce says:

    Glad he survived and did what was needed when left with no choice. This does confirm the old adage of TNSTAAFL in a self-defense shooting.

  16. avatar JT says:

    Guys like this, who trespass and enter another’s home, and burden others with their own personal drama, both deserve to be shot and also need a kick into a chipper afterward.

  17. avatar Mikial says:

    Very good story. It shows us all what we can expect if we have to defend our loved ones, even in our own home. Outside of the gun community, no one will be your friend. Have insurance, have a Second Amendment lawyer, and keep your head.

  18. avatar William "Bill" Weaver says:

    I don’t know if we have a program like “Guns Save Life’s” in Texas, but I’m going to look for one. I have a $1mil umbrella insurance policy that I took out the day after my CHL came in the mail. I am a retired Marine and a disabled Veteran. I carry every day, some times concealed and some times open. Try to carry open at least one day a week. Like I said, I have the insurance, but I pray I never have to use it.

    1. avatar Mark Emenecker says:

      look into USCCA for self defense insurance. they are nationwide

  19. avatar Adub says:

    I’m a bit confused why he drew and didn’t fire. Backing up showed weakness, which emboldened the attacker. It reminded me of that video a few weeks back with the cc instructor drawing his gun in a gas station to fend off a drunken lout- he got pushed around with his gun drawn before finally firing.

    I’m not ripping on his actions. He obviously was doing everything in his power to avoid shooting.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      This is where the decent person is at a real disadvantage. We don’t want to use deadly force unless it’s a very last resort.

  20. avatar Otis McDonald's ghost says:

    “I serve as the Executive Director of Guns Save Life, a successful and aggressive regional grassroots gun rights group…” De facto, Boch is President for Life of Guns Save Life, the main purpose of which corporation is to provide a forum to hear himself talk. Sort of the Hugo Chavez of central Illinois. Apparently he has parlayed his mind control over the rubes into a full time job.

    “Successful” is very debatable. If you’re a good old boy who can’t read and you depend on Boch to interpret the scripture for you, maybe. If you can read and understand Illinois’ concealed carry bill and you are holding your breath to wait for Boch to finish talking and do something to make Illinois’ carry bill better, you might pass out.

    GSL does have some interesting speakers. I’m surprised that the squirrel police was able to get a word in edgewise. Boch usually talks over everyone in the room. You haven’t been to a Guns Save Life meeting if the speaker and everyone else hasn’t been interrupted by him at least five or six times.

    1. avatar John Boch says:

      Oh, I see I’m successful enough to have a detractor or two who is bravely willing to trash talk me and GSL under a cloak of anonymity. Full of upbeat, positive thoughts and praise for GSL and its members too, calling us “Rubes”, “good old boys who can’t read”, and on and on. Sarah Brady would be proud, sir.

      And Otis McDonald, an American patriot whose Supreme Court case forced the recognition of the Second Amendment as an individual right upon all fifty states, would be incensed you cloaked yourself with his name to launch your scurrilous and cowardly attack.

      For everyone else: I suspect our membership would have a very different take upon themselves, their intelligence and their success in life than OM’s ghost has of them. Those “rubes” and illiterate “good old boys” do more constructive work for gun rights on a Saturday morning than some do all year long. It’s what makes Guns Save Life so successful and effective educating hundreds of thousands of people each and every day.

      On the other hand, misery loves company.

      See, Guns Save Life calls out charlatans who are motivated by self-aggrandizement and egos, who literally push women and little girls out of their way in their quest to become the leaders of the gun rights movement in Illinois and dazzle us with their “brilliance”. We’ve seen their lobbying “work”, which often requires the people actually getting gun rights lobbying done to take time to fix problems created by neophytes. But the neophytes refuse to work with anyone that works with Guns Save Life, so great is their hatred for GSL. That’s the truth about where Otis McDonald’s ghost is coming from.

      Some people play three-dimensional chess in Illinois politics, others play checkers and some don’t even know there’s a game in progress or where it’s played.

      We welcome everyone who wants to work cooperatively towards furthering gun rights to join us at Guns Save Life, or to work with us and by extension, the NRA-ILA. Even you, Mr. Ghost.

      Wouldn’t you be better off directing your invective at the other side, after all?

      John

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I suspect he is the other side.

        1. avatar FormerWaterWalker says:

          It’s Demo Man jwm with a different nom de plume. Same disdain for south,central,rural Illinois. Same syntax,sentence structure and avarice. Except it’s not vented toward Ill Rifle Assoc. and Todd Vandamyde…

  21. avatar Dan says:

    This is what the system did to an off duty officer. IMAGINE what a mere mundane faces for defending themselves in hostile communist states such as Illinois.

  22. avatar Von Schmitto says:

    Firing a single shot is an excellent way to have the guy on your floor live to sue you for it later.

  23. avatar Mister Fleas says:

    “The initial reports in the media were that someone had been “murdered” at his house. They sensationally reported the event, and not to his benefit. Later, he and some friends came over to the house to move out personal belongings. He asked the press people to please not film them as they took stuff out of the house; they ignored his requests, and filmed anyway. The press will say what they want to say and do what they want to do, and it probably won’t be good for you.

    The local television media shot video rather intrusively as Joe and his family packed up some of the essentials and carried them out of the house. They ran the footage on the local evening news as well.”

    I HATE the media, for this and other crimes of theirs.

    1. avatar Adub says:

      This is why you talk to the media first. Give a press conference, paint yourself as the victim, say you’re too distraught to answer questions, and go vacation out of state for two weeks.

      Cops are getting killed because they let the dindu nuffin hoodlum’s relatives speak first. They stir up the mob.

  24. avatar Bob says:

    The really scary thing is how painful the aftermath was, and the guy was a cop, with all the cop resources and perceived cop image. Imagine if it were just me or you, joe homeowner and gun enthusiast? Totally, irrevocably, deeply, screwed.

    That story, sadly, comes across as, don’t intervene. Which is a sad statement on where humanity is and the laws it creates. Though, it’s probably always been that way.

  25. avatar FedUp says:

    Joe has the patience of Job.
    I would have given Matt a 230gr HST out of the 1911, three feet inside my broken door, and go on from there depending on his reception.
    Center mass if going on instinct, pelvic girdle if I was thinking sharply.

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