Class Starts at UT Today…Will Profs Ban Guns From Their Classrooms?

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It’s been a long road for campus carry at the University of Texas. After years of trying, last year the Lone Star legislature joined eight other states in legalizing the licensed carry of concealed handguns at public universities. While most of the other public universities in the state implemented straightforward campus carry policies, complying with the new law without much ado, at UT such policies were adopted only after months of agonizing and no small amount of whining from segments the faculty. Indeed, three UT professors unsuccessfully tried to block implementation of campus carry at the school.

In its filings in the professors’ lawsuit, UT indicated that its campus carry policies weren’t optional, and that faculty members who defied them would face discipline. Nevertheless, a number of UT professors had previously called for defying the law. With fall classes starting today, and all administrative and legal efforts to block campus carry exhausted for now, we’ll see whether any these professors actually have the have the courage of their professed convictions or were merely posturing. (Among others, we’re looking at you Jorge Cañizares-Esguerra.)

If any UT faculty actually do defy the law, we’d like to know about it. We’re talking about actions such as:

Faculty who prohibit lawful concealed carry from classrooms (or require that students promise or represent that they will not carry in class).
Faculty or staff who purport to prohibit lawful concealed carry from their individual offices, but who have not/refuse to provide the required alternative location to meet students who may be lawfully carrying.
Faculty or staff who prohibit lawful concealed carry from locations other than authorized by official UT policies (e.g., from shared offices, departmental offices, etc.).
Faculty or staff who post official 30.06/30.07 notices (not just “no firearms” signs) in locations not authorized by official UT policies.

Advocacy against campus carry doesn’t count – they have free speech rights too, which we fully support. We’re only looking for evidence of conduct that violates the law or UT policy on campus carry.

Reports should be made by e-mail to thetruthaboutguns@gmail.com. Please include as much specific information backing up the report (e.g., copies of a syllabus prohibiting concealed carry, photos of illegal signage, etc.), as possible. We will, of course, keep all contributors’ identities confidential. Be careful out there.

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  1. avatar JW says:

    And the professors will know a ban on CCW is being broken – how?

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Why, with their superior intellect (just ask them how smart they consider themselves to be!) means they can just look at someone and *know* who’s packing.

      Oh, wait, concealed means… Drat.

    2. avatar pyratemime says:

      It will he obvious from the ankle deep blood in the streets and the magical inability to speak freely on academic topics.

      Or not.

      1. avatar peirsonb says:

        They’ve already got the second one wrapped up.

      2. avatar Ing says:

        When your professor stands up to deliver a lecture and is immediately struck dumb by an invisible, yet palpable force, you’ll know that the dreaded scourge of Campus Carry has struck the classroom.

    3. avatar Cuteandfuzzybunnies says:

      Activist students could simply tell them.

      1. avatar Klaus says:

        Ding. Ding. I’d let them know right off the bat. And then find out who’s who.

      2. avatar Paul Davidson says:

        I think that’s a great idea! Tell all your professors you are carrying. Then, post here in a week to tell us what happened.

    4. avatar Mark N. says:

      The professor will know that you probably are a carrier if (a) you look a bit older than other students, and (b) you complain that the professor’s no carry policy violates campus policy and is a violation of civil rights. Squeaky wheels get noticed.

  2. avatar El Mac says:

    It is after all, UT. UT is somewhere to the left of Berkeley. Anyone that donates a dime to that “reedumacation camp” is a fool.

    1. avatar JasonM says:

      It’s also one of the best state schools for science and engineering…like Berkley.

      1. avatar El Mac says:

        @ JasonM, Hardly worth the price of entry…especially considering there are other just as good schools out there, if not better, that are not liberal reedumacation camps.

        1. avatar Sad88 says:

          Name three in texas with documentation please.

        2. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

          I’m sure people will quibble over the meaning of “just as good”, but let’s go with anything nationally ranked in the top 100 in engineeeing in general (not going through each specialty), by US News & World Report. Fair enough?

          For Ph.D.-granting universities, USNWR has UT Austin at #10 in the nation. Very impressive.

          Texas A&M University, widely regarded as a conservative school, comes in at #11.

          Rice University comes in at #31

          University of Houston and UT-Dallas tie at #73.

          UT-Arlington grabs the #82 spot and Texas Tech hits #92.

          A separate national ranking exists for colleges and universities which do not offer a doctorate in engineering, but which do offer a bachelor’s or master’s in engineering. In Texas, these include:

          Baylor, #12
          Trinity U., #33 (Go Tigers!)
          LeTourneau, #39
          Texas Christian U. and U. of North Texas, tied at #58
          Texas State U., #80

          Soooo…….plenty of high quality engineering education options exist in Texas, without submitting to total liberal immersion.

          Besides, at the graduate level, there’s really not much room for politics in an engineering curriculum, anyway. Closest you’ll find is in an ethics or sustainability course.

      2. avatar Evan says:

        Actually Sad88, that’s more than likely propaganda talking points based on outdated numbers.

        While UT is a good school no doubt, but as a former Texan now living in WI, Rice certainly has much more prestige; and Texas A&M is certainly becoming a STEM powerhouse, being nationally higher-ranked year after year.
        Both these institutions, in a cross-reference of national rankings lists and the Dept of Homeland Security’s rankings of schools with the best STEM programs, (Rice and Texas A&M) have many more bachelor graduates in STEM fields yearly than UT, (Rice at 44% of graduates, and A&M at 37%). UT is well below 33%, at which point they’re not even considered for ranking.

        I just looked at a couple national comparison lists, and Rice was listed around 20 on both, whereas UT was in the 50s.
        Granted we’re comparing private to public…but yeah, outside of Texas UT is known as the yuppie school for liberal arts and such… all three certainly have national recognition, and while A&M is considered an ag and tech school, Rice is of course Rice, if you Google nothing but “UT” right now, the first result is a headline from the Austin Statesman “UT students use sex toys to protest campus carry law”…

        Kinda sums it up, I think.

  3. avatar Anonymous says:

    “Armed with reason”

    But doesn’t have any good reasons why it should be banned in the classroom.

    1. avatar Paul Davidson says:

      accidental discharge? anger plus guns in the hands of under-trained and over-confident people? death?

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        And where has that happened, Mr. Troll? We have campus carry, we have concealed carry, we have constitutional carry, we have open carry, hundreds of millions of guns everywhere, and where has that happened? Campus carry, for example, has been instituted in many universities and/or states before, what was their experience? I bet you know just as well as I do, no change whatsoever in campus shootings, the only noticeable result is a bunch of crazies claiming campus carry will cause TEOTWAWKI within days. Your input borders on deliberately obtuse and stupid. Are you perchance a UT professor being given hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for doing nothing and knowing less?

  4. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    Like what are they gonna do, frisk their students? I could easily see a sexual harassment claim/lawsuit from that!

  5. avatar Shire-man says:

    I hope they have their tall boots on. The blood flood will no doubt reach knee high as it has everywhere else carriers go.

  6. avatar TruthTellers says:

    I don’t see why the profs are in such a tizzy over this as they’re practically never on campus and have assistant’s teach the classes.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Yes, but they are aware that the entire world requires their guidance, is unable to function at all without daily instruction in subjects the profs have never studied and do not understand.

  7. avatar Coffee Addict says:

    and when the blood fails to flow, when the bodies fail to stack up like cord wood, when students decide to study harder after a poor grade instead of getting into a shoot out, when all this fails to materialize, then what? How much more ridiculous will they look, just like all the pearl clutchers at the states that have constitutional carry.

    1. avatar anonymoose says:

      You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can’t make them acknowledge it.

      1. avatar Timmy! says:

        “You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can’t make them THINK”

        FIFY

    2. avatar Paul Davidson says:

      or when the CC’ers never have the opportunity to Bruce-Willis-’em in a shootout from a crazed intruder, then will the pearl-clutchers of the Open Carry movement admit they weren’t needed?

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Should that scenario someday prove to be true (which it never has, even for one year) then the costs of my carrying will have been borne by me alone, why would you care? In fact, forget the conditions, why do you care RIGHT NOW? Does the bad gun cause us to wet our widdle panties?

    3. avatar LarryinTX says:

      You are missing the real disaster, here. For so long as they can screech or whine or threaten their way into controlling everybody around them, they can claim that they alone, in their infinite wisdom, are saving us all from ourselves, and offer themselves up for further worship and more money. When people discover that they are flat WRONG about this bullshit, next thing you know, those people will begin to wonder about their pronouncements concerning that bullshit over there, and before long the entire world could be spinning out of (their) control.

  8. avatar Bobiojimbo says:

    For all of the hoopla about this protest, sure not seeing it on the news feeds – unless I go looking for it. I’m also having a hard time finding images of phallic shaped, plastic objects present in any of the protest pictures. Did they just not take pictures of it, or was this another damp-squib anti-gun protest?

    1. avatar LKB says:

      Just got back from covering it for TTAG (write up and photos coming) . . . yes, the rally took place at noon today (I estimate the crowd was a couple of hundred, plus several dozen journalists and camera crews). I’m sure that by this evening you’ll see plenty of videos and news stories about it.

  9. avatar C.S. says:

    They should also feel safer if they banned guns from their own domociles and posted signage outside.

  10. avatar MouseGun says:

    I love the irony of liberal colleges. Nagging SJWs will scream something along the lines of ,”Five out of every four women will be brutally gang raped in college! Rape culture!”, and then, someone comes along and says, “Well, now there’s campus carry, so women can defend themselves against rape”, in which the pink haired, obese SJW will start foaming at the mouth, screaming “guns are evil! And icky! And they hate gays and minorities! Giving women a means to defend themselves? THAT’S SEXIST AND-“, at which point they choke and their own tongues, their eyes roll into the backs of their sockets, and they start shouting in backwards Latin, and won’t stamp out of it until they send a socially aware hashtag to their twitter feed.

  11. avatar Jeremy S. says:

    Haha I thought the guy on the right in the photo was wearing a tutu (not that there’s anything wrong with that) until I realized it was a boom mic sneaking into the photo

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