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Governor Jerry Brown has signed into law SB 1225. It’s a lengthy, extremely restrictive law regulating the sale of ammunition in California. It’s so restrictive that it might not hold up in court. Challenges to the law may have to wait. The law only goes into effect if voters fail to approve the ballot initiative ironically entitled the “Safety for All Act of 2016.”

California legislators and Governor Brown have presented Golden State gun owners with a “heads we win – tails you lose” scenario. If they vote against the Prop 63, extremely restrictive gun control laws go into effect. If they vote against for Prop 63, extremely restrictive gun control laws go into effect.

If Prop 63 doesn’t pass, then SB 1225 will be phased in from 1 January, 2018 to 1 January, 2019. (Individual ammunition purchasers will not be constrained until 1 January, 2019.) SB 1225 is long and complicated. Its provision are sweeping and costly. Here are the main points:

1.  All ammunition sales to individuals are required to be face to face and shall require a background check.  A long list of occupational exceptions, exceptions for concealed carry permit holders, law enforcement, etc. will not be required to process the background check, but sales will be recorded. Vendors may charge a fee of up to $10 per background check.

2.  It will be illegal to purchase ammunition through the mail.

3.  It will be illegal for residents of California to purchase ammunition out of state, and bring it back into the state.   Ammunition purchased outside the state will be required to be sent to a licensed vendor in California.

4.  Non-residents may legally transport ammunition into and through California, but may not sell it in California, unless is is sold through a licensed vendor subject to a background check.  There are exceptions for sale to a direct family member, registered domestic partner, or hunting partner in quantities of no more than 50 rounds per month.

5.  All ammunition sales will be kept on a computer data base that will be checked against a list of people who have been ruled to be prohibited possessors of firearms.

6.  Nearly all private transfers of ammunition within the state of Callifornia will be required to be done through a licensed ammunition vendor, who may charge a fee for the process.

I expect a rush on ammunition in Nevada, Oregon, and Arizona gun shops over the next two and a half years. That is if the “Safety for All” initiative fails. If the “Safety for All” initiative passes, the provisions above go into effect starting 1 January, 2017, according to discussion of the initiative on calguns.net. That’s only six months from now.

The California law does not regulate the reloading of ammunition, or the sale of components such as gunpowder for reloaders, projectiles, wads, cartridge cases or shotgun hulls or primers. Gunpowder and primers have hazmat restrictions, but they could be ordered in bulk by gun clubs.  The sale of these items is unrestricted by California law.

Reloading takes a small investment in tools and in the aquisition of skills, but it is not difficult.  I started reloading cartridges under supervision when I was 13.  I was doing it by myself at 16. I expect there will be a surge of interest in reloading in California.

A law similar to this one was tried nationwide in the 1970s and 1980s. It was found to be so burdensome and ineffective, that even the BATF testified against it in Congress. It was repealed in 1986, through an enormous grass roots effort that forced the repeal to come to a vote against the will of the Democrat house leadership.

The U.S. Congress or the federal court system could override or strike down the provisions of California’s ammunition regulations as excessively restrictive of interstate commerce. Besides, the amount of ammunition used in crime is minuscule. This law only burdens and punishes responsible and honest shooters. It will easily be circumvented by gun owners, formerly known as law-abiding citizens

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79 Responses to California’s Competing Ammunition Control Regulations: “Heads They Win – Tails You Lose”

  1. This is going to continue to happen until we take action and ban pens, or at least ban dangerous legislators from possessing or using assault writing instruments.

  2. Obviously this is a trash fire in every possible way, but I’d like to know what happens at a gun range. Will you be able to buy 50 rounds and shoot it right then and there? Only with a permit? If you shoot only some of it, can you take the rest home with you? Or would that lead to mass shootings by extremists who are really, really not Islamic, which is a religion of peace, we promise, and you are racist for thinking what you’re thinking.

    • Purchases at gun ranges are exempt, but you cannot take any unused ammo with you. The DeLeon law does not require an ammo purchasers license, but Prop 63 does, however neither, afaik apply to ranges.

      • If one ends up needing an ammo license, it’s hard not to see CA ending up with a full-blown FOID at some point, similar to IL or NJ.

        • Wow Dave357-how uninformed can one get?!? My Illinois FOID is NOT 1/10th as restrictive as this BS. I can buy all the guns & ammo I want-and I can cross the border too and use it too. And Illinois has shall-issue CC Too. We suck but compared to commiefornia it’s it’s frickin’ paradise (for now!).

        • The FOID system and CCW licensing restrictions in Illinois has been gutted thanks to years of legal action against the state and Chiraq. You’ve been registered by the state government as an evil old, White gun owner, FWW. If the Chicagoans in Springfield hadn’t been neutered they would be looking at enacting the same legislation as Cali (and actually try to confiscate things), and I’m sure they’re lamenting the fact that they can’t pull it off right now.

        • I ALREADY stated THAT anonymoose. AND if you think you’re “anonymous” ’cause you don’t have a FOID card you’re sadly naive. Any gun you buy legally is known(4473)…and my point is valid. People spout off about IL while being clueless. The same “impasse” inIL can happen in Cali. Sue the shite outa’ them,vote 100% pro-gun and fight fight fight…or move.

        • The Illinois serf has been living on his knees for so long that he thinks having to show his “papers” just to touch a gun — or even just enter a gun shop in some cases — is normal.

          He can’t even imagine life in America, where people are free to buy guns from each other without filling out 4473s for everything.

  3. California is no longer a state, it is a Federally controlled territory called a “tax-hole”.

    Citizens of Western Tax Hole. Don’t worry about any regulations, you won’t be let out of your cages until we have found a way to bind you in an otherwise restrictive manner.

    You have previously defected on your support of the U.S. Constitution, so your right to free speech, albeit a gift SOLELY from my GOD, will no longer be afforded to you, so STFU.

    • “Tax hole” isnt the problem…. Californians cough up 12% ($280 billion) of the federal goverment’s income. The feds leave this state alone because they dont want to upset the gravy train attributed to the democrat majority here. Aunt nancy, aunt dianne, and uncle jerry could find excuses to narrow the money siphon and make things difficult for the feds if they really wanted to….. HAIL HYDR…..er……. CALIFORNIA!!!! (sarc)

    • “Tax hole” isnt the problem…. Californians cough up 12% ($280 billion) of the federal goverment’s income. The feds leave this state alone because they dont want to upset the gravy train attributed to the democrat majority here. Aunt nancy, aunt dianne, and uncle jerry could find excuses to narrow the money siphon and make things difficult for the feds if they really wanted to….. HAIL HYDR…..er……. CALIFORNIA!!!! (sarc)

    • California is, regrettably, the most tragic example of the urbanization of America. New York and Illinois are other examples. When the ignorant urban population exceeds the freedom-loving, self-reliant rural residents, a tipping point has been reached.

      It is foolish and unfair to paint the entire citizenry of a state with the same brush. We are simply outnumbered, and the ignorant urbanites will not hesitate to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

      I do not know what it will take to solve this problem, but I hope it doesn’t involve bloodshed.

  4. “The California law does not regulate the reloading of ammunition, or the sale of components such as gunpowder for reloaders, projectiles, wads, cartridge cases or shotgun hulls or primers.”

    Checking to see if RCBS and Hornady are publicly traded.
    Their stock is going up soon.

    I encourage our California comrades to learn reloading, buy the equipment and stock up on supplies ASAP (since there’s bound to be a shortage at some point).

    Seriously, by reloading you can save money (if you already have the brass) and produce ammo just as good as or better than commercially available ammo.

    • The DeLeon law is very confusing, and seems to have two different definitions for “ammunition”, one of which includes clips, mags, and projectiles.So maybe you can get primers, powder and cases, but bullets at this point are uncertain.

      • No, that’s existing law, not part of the ammo bill, and that definition is for prohibited persons.

        That’s why reloading is not affected.

        Yet.

  5. Unconstitutionality aside, the giant hole you can drive through in this is an Ammunition Reloading Service. You simply buy all the components (on-site of even the net), and then pay for the service of assembling it all together, then pick it up or have it mailed to your doorstep. Based on what I’ve read, that wouldn’t violate any of these statutes.

    • I could see a challenge like that being treated like Aereo’s SCOTUS loss. That case resulted in Aereo being treated like a cable company because they had the elements, even if disruptively different. While a good idea, it wouldnt surprise me to see them treated the same.

      • I’m probably not up to speed but wasn’t Aereos’ achilles heel the fact thet they were effectivly re-broadcasting an existing signal using a different means. I’m not sure how that would apply here as nothing is owened or owed to any third parties.

        As long as the customer has a receipt showing that they bought the actual components used in the ammunition they are taking delivery of, then reloading service is in the clear, as they are only providing assembly, and not actually selling manufactured and prepackaged ammunition.

    • Would not work. All ammunition transactions must be conducted in a face to face transaction and with a check against the APPS (Armed Prohibited Persons) list. No delivery to your door, and I doubt any service would likely tempt prosecution.

      • All ammunition sales must. But my scenario is not an ammunition sale anymore than picking up dry-cleaning is the purchase of a suit.

  6. Forgive me if I am mistaken, but CA cannot ban residents from purchasing ammo out of state. That is up to each individual state. I would like to see cops at the border try to prove where ammo was purchased.

    More unenforceable laws that will do nothing to keep people safe. I see this as an opportunity for Arizona and Nevada to throw a big middle finger at California’s stupid laws.

    • Not illegal to purchase, but illegal to import, if I understand correctly.

      When I was a kid growing up in the Philadelphia area, people would often go to Delaware to purchase major appliances – no sales tax. So the surrounding states started to put state police right at the border to look for vehicles with local plates coming home with full pickup truck beds.

      In that case, I think the plates were run and the owners noted for extra scrutiny at tax time. Here, CA could do the same thing by putting a rep in the the parking lot of sporting goods stores in Reno, Yuma, Medford, etc.

      Note the plates of CA cars whose owners come out with ammo, feed that into plate scanners, and there you go.

      • How would they know there is ammo in the bag? Can’t run an inspection of the bag without probable cause. They’d have to install roadside checks of all vehicles and ban the reimportation of even CA ammo.

        • California and probable cause … that’s funny right there.

          Seriously, I think the threat alone would be enough for a lot of people to keep them from doing it. Or induce them to make longer road trips.

          The cost to the state will go up roughly as the square of the distance from the border, in terms of people needed; and it will go much higher if they try to go far enough that their employees will get per-diem travel expenses for hotels etc.

          On the other hand the Delaware thing was revenue enhancing so it offset some of the costs. Here, it would be a matter of principle for the state, so the cost might not matter so much.

        • “They’d have to install roadside checks of all vehicles “

          Install? California already has roadside border checks in multiple areas between other states (in addition to, obviously, the checks at the Mexican border). As I drove back and forth between Washington State and California dozens of times while living in the Bay Area, I usually had to stop at the checkpoint on the South-bound side of the Oregon-California border. They’d funnel all traffic through a checkpoint just like those on roads entering the U.S. from Canada or Mexico — just on a smaller scale — and ask questions primarily related to agriculture (fresh fruits or veggies, ostensibly to reduce the accidental importation of pests). It wouldn’t be very difficult to add questions related to ammunition. In fact, considering everything firearm-related is registered in the state now and ammunition purchases will be recorded, too, the checkpoint will have you flagged as a gun & ammo owner by running your license plate before you’re even up for questioning.

          The next step for them would be passing a law that gives CA law enforcement probable cause for a search based solely on the fact that you’re a registered gun/ammo owner re-entering the state from elsewhere (via road or commercial flights).

          BTW whether or not you can get away with importing ammunition or whether or not the state could later prove that you imported ammunition (should it not catch you actually in the act) is one thing, but whether you’re caught or not you’re still talking about breaking the law. Not sure if it’s a misdemeanor or felony or what the case is, but getting away with it doesn’t mean it’s legal or that the law itself isn’t a massive problem that needs to be fixed. Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.

      • Pa cops look for liquor bought in delaware but do nothing about TV and appliances. There is a parade of goods every day from delaware north.

    • Exactly. That is expressly a power of the Federal government that they are over-reaching on. The States can’t apply any import duties or restrictions on goods bought in other States. It is a Federal, not a State, Law that prevents you from buying a firearm out of State and bringing it across State-lines, for example.

      • Actually, in California it’s both Fed and state law.

        And try registering a late-model car bought out of state if you’re a California resident.

        So while I see your point, CA has a history of getting a pass on things like this. Thanks 9th Circuit.

        • California gets around the issue on the car registration by placing in-state requirements on cars brought into the state. California cannot forbid a resident from going out of state and buying a car, and bringing it back, but they can place emisions requirements and fees on cars that don’t, that need to be registered in the state. They do something similar on gas – requiring that gas sold in the state be refined there to ensure particular state-required additives, but they cannot stop a person from driving across state-lines and purchasing a tank full of gas.

      • It is not an import duty. The ammo sold in state is subject to the same associated costs as out of state ammo. The only difference is that a Ca vendor may charge a fee for storage and processing the paperwork. Which they will do since they are losing a sale. $10 a pop, I think is the statutory limit, so buy in bulk.

        • The forbidance of buying ammo and bringing it across state lines is a restriction on interstate commerce. The States have no power to do that.

    • Hey Serg something similar to this is already occuring. In Illinois I need a FOID card to buy guns/ammo. MOST(but not ALL!) border gun shops (in Indiana)ask if you are an
      Illinois resident when you buy ammo. You don’ t need ID to buy ammo inIndiana so if you say “nope”I can buy away.It all depends on how much border states want to enforce Cali’s evil laws. Lots of sellers hate Cook Co.,IL and won’t collect slush fund handgun taxes for Cook either-one shop-Borderline guns even advertises” no CookCo. tax on transfers…I’m sure there will we be a thriving black market 🙂

  7. “Non-residents may legally transport ammunition into and through California, but may not sell it in California…”

    So they’re openly trying to create a black market?

    • Right, that would be completely unprecedented. California Politicians engaging in illegal behaviour…

      Yee was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) on March 26, 2014 on charges related to public corruption and gun trafficking — specifically buying automatic firearms and shoulder-launched missiles from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, an Islamist extremist group located in the southern Philippines and attempting to re-sell those weapons to an undercover FBI agent, as well as accepting a $10,000 bribe from an undercover agent in exchange for placing a call to the California Department of Public Health regarding a contract at the organization

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee

    • What he means is that the ammo for out of staters is protected under FOPA–you can bring it in or through, you can even shoot it, but you cannot give or sell it to anyone who lives here.

      • Which is effectively like saying “You can bring in or transport crack through our state but you can’t sell or give any to the locals”.

  8. Elections should be like Jacksons The Lottery.
    Winning one means the electorate has decided you are unfit to live among the general population.
    Then upon inauguration you are sent away to a sort of adult day care facility where you can make believe and finger paint for a few years until the electorate thinks you may have been rehabilitated enough to re-enter the general population. If you are not then congratulations you’ve been re-elected!

    • If those elected are unfit to live in society, what does that say about the people who elect them?

      • Every cycle is basically inbred slobs voting for their inbred slob king.
        By locking away their king we can minimize the damage of the slob mass.
        At least hold it off until I’m dead and won’t have to worry about this short bus nation anymore.

        • “… short bus nation…”

          I want to be offended by that but, unfortunately, it is so true.

      • “If those elected are unfit to live in society, what does that say about the people who elect them?”

        That the latter are much better served by living in societies not subject to arbitrary tyranny, by whomever happens to be awarded the most TV time.

  9. US House Vote on gun bills , at least 2 , tonight at 6pm per C – span schedule . Call Reps. NOW or join Kommie-fornia !! 202-225-3121 , tell operator your State and they put call through , only takes a minute or two and carries more weight than 100 E mails .

    • That depends how close you live to the border. For me, an eight hour round trip isn’t worth it, as the cost would exceed the price in California. Second, in the unlikely event you are caught, they confiscate your ammo and it is a misdemeanor.

  10. Where is the 80% ammo with cartridge primed and filled with powder capped with a plastic barrier that just needs the bullet pressed into place?

    • Startups are seeking funding for developing highly precise and automated, small batch ammo manufacturing equipment as we speak…….

      Small batch manufactured guns, and ditto ammo, is where it’s going. Once the cost and complexity is brought down to a level enabling North Koreans to exercise their natural rights, even California is going to have problems fulfilling their mission of leading the world in harassment and tyranny.

      • In terms of ammunition, there are numerous reloading machines for sale for a couple of hundred dollars on up. At that price they are almost little ammunition factories. Keep the reservoirs full, pull the handle, a loaded round pops out. Pretty easy to learn to use.

        But it does not stop tyranny. It just gives them another excuse to persecute, jail, and fine.

        Now that I have found several fairly simple methods to recharge primers, there is little in the ammunition supply train that cannot be home made. In a small shop, it gets much easier.

        Small effective guns are pretty easy to make, which just shows that this is aimed at citizens, not criminals. To the elites, they may like criminals better, or they see no difference.

        • Can you ask the moderators if you could write an article about the state of the art of home ammo manufacturing? Primer recharging is new to me.

          I believe a tipping point will be reached; once home, or at least very distributed, made guns and ammo are once again seen to be decisive in an insurgency/revolution somewhere. Or even become heavily used by “criminals.” In either scenario, proving themselves to be simultaneously both militarily decisive, and to be beyond the ability of the rulers to stamp out.

          Just like drug dealers, child porn peddlers and “terrorists”, are the friends of the common man when it comes to development and testing of encryption, digital currency, privacy etc.; criminals, insurgents, as well as, again, the hobgoblin uber alles de jour, “terrorists,” can serve that role as pertains to distributed military capability development, hence aiding in the return of the citizen to his rightful position as the master, in citizen/government relationships around the world.

  11. Oh no! A shocking rise in the home-manufacture of Ghost Ammo, which can be shot at the rate of 32 rounds per second!

  12. I don’t even live in California (any more) and I just ordered 10 more pounds of powder after reading this.

  13. “The California law does not regulate the reloading of ammunition, or the sale of components such as gunpowder for re-loaders, projectiles, wads, cartridge cases or shotgun hulls or primers. Gunpowder and primers have hazmat restrictions, but they could be ordered in bulk by gun clubs. The sale of these items is unrestricted by California law.”

    Not for long. Every time California citizens find a legal means to an activity. New laws are immediately written and pass in the CA legislature. For example open carry of long guns, citizen exercise that right, next year a law passed to make it illegal. Don’t bother purchasing re-loaders, those will be prohibited items within a year.

    Also passed through AZ this year on I-10. A camera took a picture of every vehicle, their plate and driver. Just wait, those will be installed on every road leading into the state. They’ll match driver license with gun owner and you’ll be inspected.

    • Stop a couple of miles short of the border and daub road mud over your license plate and front end. Don your monkey mask as you cross the border.

  14. The problem with unconstitutional laws is that turns non-complying generally law-abiding citizens into felons. This quickly can become a slippery slope. So now that you’ve been been forced to ignore one law, what stops you from choosing another and another to ignore, Maybe you file a little less on your tax return, cheating on a benefits form, perhaps go cashless and cutting your spend to only necessary items slowly negatively impacting the economy. Create black market trading only among those similarly minded individuals. People could shop outside CA to avoid sales tax and help starve the beast. Perhaps they will protest in the streets.

    Then if one ultimately goes the route of more aggressive tactics things could look like the IRA England debacle. Before actually violence broke out, there was lot of little things done as irritants to the other side – like damaging power lines, infrastructure, tossing trash, etc. In modern times, anti gun folks took to swatting gun supporters. What if the tables were turned? I certainly hope there’s a peaceful resolution to this travesty of justice.

    I hope the CA politicians thought this out. I suspect they did not.

  15. Across America last night ….. even in California and New jersey ….. ILLEGAL Fireworks filled the Sky. A simple statement : —– We Will Not Comply !!

    • My neighborhood is like Fallujah on Independence Day. When I was a kid we had some sparklers and a few firecrackers. Now I can walk out the front door (or back door) and see a semi-pro grade display – actually several of them.

  16. You will see California cops at gun shops close to the border following cars with California plates back into the state. Just like New Jersey does with fireworks from Pennsylvania.

    Now that’s a great use of law enforcement resources!

    • I’m sure the Mexican cartels are already switching over their drug factories to manufacture ammunition instead.

      People with bandanas over their faces will whisper to you outside of gun ranges statewide: “Hey, Ese!
      I got some 9mm fresh! $200 a case. Come to my van!”

  17. Does this law affect gifts of ammo?

    Say a store has a buy a gun, get a years worth of ammo free sale?

    Since the ammo is free, would it be covered? Would your name go on a list, would the transaction be tracked?

    Just curious. I’m sure someone will try to work around it in some form or fashion.

  18. Has any indication of how this will be enforced come out?

    If I buy a box of ammo in Nevada, return to California, remove the packaging and leave them loosely in an ammo can, will they require that I have a receipt that matches up to each exact cartridge in my ammo can?

    This is so ridiculous and unenforceable. There will be mass non compliance and the poor sucker who gets caught for something minor will now be a felon.

  19. Has gun control ever

    C A U S E D

    a mass shooting?

    Oh yeah, that’s how we got around to getting our Constitution that they’re attempting to grey poupon.

  20. Dean’s statements are not entirely accurate:

    1. All ammunition sales to individuals are required to be face to face and shall require a background check. A long list of occupational exceptions, exceptions for concealed carry permit holders, law enforcement, etc. will not be required to process the background check, but sales will be recorded. Vendors may charge a fee of up to $10 per background check.
    Mostly correct as to the DeLeon SB 808 law, except that it is not a traditional background check. What is done is a name check against the APPS database (Armed Prohibited Persons System). By contrast, the Newsome ballot initiative law provides that a NICS check is required. Which takes more time.

    2. It will be illegal to purchase ammunition through the mail. Well, yes and no. You can purchase it, but it must be shipped to a Ca licensed ammunition vendor for delivery and the required paperwork and APPS check.

    5. All ammunition sales will be kept on a computer data base that will be checked against a list of people who have been ruled to be prohibited possessors of firearms.
    This is accurate, as noted in reference to 1., above. And again, the Newsome bill is more onerous.

    6. Nearly all private transfers of ammunition within the state of Callifornia will be required to be done through a licensed ammunition vendor, who may charge a fee for the process.
    True, but redundant of 1., above.

    Dean also says: “The California law does not regulate the reloading of ammunition, or the sale of components such as gunpowder for reloaders, projectiles, wads, cartridge cases or shotgun hulls or primers. Gunpowder and primers have hazmat restrictions, but they could be ordered in bulk by gun clubs. The sale of these items is unrestricted by California law.” This is less certain. SB808 does not cover most components, but “ammunition” as defined in the law does include “projectiles”, which infers that purchases of bullets is subject to the law.

  21. tyr·an·ny
    ˈtirənē/
    noun
    cruel and oppressive government or rule.
    “people who survive war and escape tyranny”
    synonyms: despotism, absolute power, autocracy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, Fascism; More
    a nation under cruel and oppressive government.
    cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
    “she resented his rages and his tyranny”

  22. This should help women to increase their knowledge about various calibers and types of ammunition, especially amount gangbanger’s girlfriends.

  23. Didn’t the 9th circus strike down the last ammo law that was like this? How is either one of these going to be legal?

  24. Australia’s no 1 Hoplophobe ‘flak-jacket’ Johnny Howard, who introduced Australia’s restrictive gun laws in 1996 fortunately didn’t think of this when he steam-rolled and vilified law abiding gun owners way back when. Plenty of ammo available including .22 rimfire…. Only need to show credit card ‘gun license’ to vendors – no records/restrictions and reciprocity exists between states– for now.

    No doubt the current lot of the Greens Party (diminished in power as they are) and Gun Control Australia will be studying this closely, in particularly when whomever is meant to be running the country is decided…

    Not that a decent leader has been managing this place for more than a while…. Four so called leaders in five years is a record of shame…

  25. So, if people reject tyranny at the ballot box, it will get shoved down their throats anyway. Got it.

  26. Seems to me,that shooters,legal ones,sportsman,are in a tiny minority
    Mostly fat old bald white dude,one foot in the grave,another on a banana
    Peel,soooo the state called califonicate zooms on to its speedy
    Demise,all the while the greasy Viatos and pachuckos cry for more free
    Chit in the barrios,!que bueno! Stay stupid my friends.

  27. “You will see California cops at gun shops close to the border following cars with California plates back into the state. Just like New Jersey does with fireworks from Pennsylvania.”

    You will obviously see Californians NOT PARKING in the Gun Store or Cabalas parking lot either. We are facing
    the slow “Kaliforniation” of Oregon now to… Make no mistake, this is the Marxist “slow march through history”
    and the objective is the eventual Gun Ban…NO GUN’S in California. For the law abiding citizen (the folks the
    elites fear and hate) naturally, criminals need not apply.

    I would not comply with this either…. We are entering a period of instability nationally which even the election
    of Trump may not prevent. You must be armed….if not you will wish you were when they march you into the
    woods…

  28. “It will be illegal for residents of California to purchase ammunition out of state, and bring it back into the state. Ammunition purchased outside the state will be required to be sent to a licensed vendor in California.”

    Lots of luck with this either. I don’t get asked where I come from when I go to Cabalas or anywhere
    else and If they do I have plenty of friends who will buy an extra couple cases for me.

    Folks on this thread…..You must MAKE A DECISION….”comply” (understanding that this will
    not save you) or exercise your rights and refuse. We are in this mess now because since
    1934 american gun owners are most impressively submissive. What Kalfornia is doing is
    restraining exercise of a Constitutional Right. As an American I am duty bound to NOT
    COMPLY….no more then if I was told to turn in my Bible or ask the State Police for
    permission to buy a newspaper…..

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