Blue Force Gear Quote of the Day: San Francisco Parents Want to Harden The Target

Je-Meese Lemmons, second from left, stands with her daughter and other parents and students not comfortable with George Washington Carver Elementary School’s open-space floor plan, saying it leaves students vulnerable in an emergency." courtesy (Jessica Christian/S.F. Examiner)

“I’m really concerned. I’m worried that they might get inside a pod and the teachers cannot protect the children.” – Je-Meese Lemmons quoted in Parents worry open-classroom layout at SF school leaves students vulnerable [via sfexaminer.com]

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  1. avatar Dean Carpenter says:

    I don’t get it. If I lived in SF and wanted to protect my children the first thing I would do is demand the city and state enforce laws that remove convicted predators from society. Restraining orders, police protection, warning signs, fortresses and sharing the love should be reserved for those you are willing to sacrifice.

    1. avatar 16V says:

      You can be an illegal alien, an invader, and they won’t go after you. Sanctuary city.

      SF is so dedicated to the multi-culti nonsense, that they will let it destroy them. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

      1. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

        No wonder San Francisco has the smallest children’s percentage of population of any major U.S. city. Most families fled that liberal lunacy years ago.

        1. avatar neiowa says:

          What? Queers don’t reproduce? Who knew.

  2. avatar Brian K. says:

    Teach the children howto mob na attacker. You’ve got ~50 of them available to you, so it should be effective.

  3. avatar DerryM says:

    The school was built as it is in 1972! These Parents are just now figuring-out it’s a death trap! Oh fer Christ’s sake!

  4. avatar Texheim says:

    POD? What is a Pod?

    Pod people/children?

    1. avatar peirsonb says:

      In our high school it was a fancy buzzword for “wing.”

    2. avatar DaveL says:

      It’s the basic administrative unit of a prison. School! I totally meant “school”. Yeah, that’s the ticket, how silly of me.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        Then turn the ‘pod’ into a ‘SHU’ (secure housing unit)…

  5. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    The source article says that the school district is planning to set aside one million dollars to renovate the school … which requires adding walls and doors and rerouting affected electrical wiring, alarm wiring, and sprinkler pipes.

    Fun thought: that $1 million would pay for a decent, dedicated, armed security guard for something like 10 to 20 years depending on that security guard’s exact annual salary and benefits.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      Awesome idea. To get some TSA “veterans” and give each an AK.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tsa-worker-put-desk-duty-spotted-sleeping-laguardia-airport-article-1.462578
      (this gal is about 100lb lighter than most).

  6. avatar boardsnbikes says:

    What these parents do not understand is that complete security of their children requires the infrastructure and procedures of a high-security prison. If that were to happen, I’d imagine the parents would be the first ones with loud voices complaining their children are being treated as prisoners.

    Freedom…it’s a difficult thing.

    1. avatar peirsonb says:

      Some LA high schools do that. It still doesn’t provide security.

      1. avatar pyratemime says:

        Prisons do that and it does not provide complete security.

    2. avatar JR_in_NC says:

      “What these parents do not understand is that complete security of their children requires the infrastructure and procedures of a high-security prison.”

      Sorry to put it this way, but that is narrow Statist-esque thinking.

      What these parents do not understand is that complete security of their children is their own responsibility.

      Stop sending children to State-run institutions that are already not unlike prisons in many ways, and take control back of your own life. It could be said to START with the children.

      1. avatar boardsnbikes says:

        Next time I’ll add the label “irony.” Some people don’t get it without obvious big, BOLD letters.

        1. avatar JR_in_NC says:

          Maybe perhaps consider a citation to Poe’s Law, too…

    3. avatar DaveL says:

      You have to understand that prisons are very good at protecting the world outside from the threats contained within. When it comes to protecting inmates from other inmates, not so much. When people talk about sacrificing freedom for security, the freedom being sacrificed often doesn’t belong to the same people as the security being gained.

  7. avatar Groutboy says:

    Please Issue indestructible plastic bubbles to al students, and teachers!

  8. avatar James69 says:

    I guess the idea is to get them used to being in an institutional environment early? Who would have ever thought the little red schoolhouse on the hill would look like the “Big House” someday.

    1. avatar JR_in_NC says:

      “I guess the idea is to get them used to being in an institutional environment early?”

      Exactly!

      Read John Taylor Gatto’s speeches for more detail, as he describes the role of institutionalize education very nicely.

      1. avatar SteveInCO says:

        One of the most depressing reads of my life was “The Underground History of American” by that same Gatto

        Reading the story is like one of those dreams where you see a big disaster happening and are unable to help it. It’s like a steamroller with no one able/willing to stop it.

  9. avatar Jaffas says:

    What ever happened to an armed police officer on duty during school hours??
    We had one. He wasn’t in uniform so he was not ” intimidating ” ( poor babies) but he was armed and respected.
    I know it was the ’70’s but still….
    Seems to me a couple on duty would be needed more these days. Salary??? How about a price for kids safety and oh yeah….let’s create the ultimate sin of actually having trained teachers carrying in school. Doesn’t have to be obvious ( concealed carry).
    Security ( basic) is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
    Nuff of my rant.

    1. avatar Alex waits says:

      Here in our modern age, the government has done a good job of establishing itself as the ultimate authority, to be relied upon for all things, security, education, financial stability, etc. Enough modern citizens have accepted this to create a social norm, with out seeing the flaws in the giant machine. The government is leading the American people to ruin in the guise of the promised land.

    2. avatar James69 says:

      Problem is they place the officer NOT FIT for patrol in the school. Then they wonder why they have cops smacking and shoving 14 year olds to the floor. While screaming “Respect my authoriti!” The only officer who might want that gig is the 19 year veteran who’s closing on 20 and even they would not want that crap job. Just like crap teachers, crap cops are protected.

      1. avatar neiowa says:

        Today it is the quota copchick. That to hire them and put them somewhere won’t hurt anyone or themselves.

        Cops do NOT belong in schools. Not that easy in the big education game but hire a principal that has a pair.

  10. avatar Dev says:

    Why is she worried? Didn’t San Francisco ban all gun stores from the city limits??

  11. avatar James69 says:

    WHAT it’s sanfran? I thought robots sat in class and the kids stayed home wearing their google glasses?

  12. avatar jwm says:

    After Sandy Hook I proposed this:

    America has millions of vets. Many of these are retirement aged grandparents. I am one of those. I and many like me would happily walk around our kids/grandkids schools with our guns.

    Pay would not be needed. Simply modify laws to give us insurance protection and legal coverage. It would cost very little and give our schools real security.

    Put us under the control of the local police while we are on shift.

    1. avatar James69 says:

      Two days in the school and you would leave or risk a lawsuit. The modern kid is not the kid you grew up as. They are disrspectful, foul mouthed and know all the tricks of our modern school system. Your blood pressure would skyrocket.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I retired from a public high school. I’m under no illusions about the modern child.

  13. avatar rob says:

    My better half volunteers me to provide security and educational help to my kids’ title 1 school through the Dads Of Great Students program (DOGS). Like minded (and usually armed) dad’s each volunteer a few days per year to walk the schools halls and grounds. We make sure classrooms are locked, play with the kids at recess, and help the struggling ones in class under direction of their teacher. Carrying is not actively encouraged or discouraged by the program, but many volunteers see that as a green light to provide armed security for our kids. I love living in Utah where it’s legal to ccw in a public school.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Carrying is not actively encouraged or discouraged by the program…”

      And that’s really the best way to handle it, leaving plausible ignorance of parents who may or may not be armed.

  14. avatar Excedrine says:

    You wouldn’t be able to protect your students regardless of whether or not open-carry is “allowed”, anyway. The calculus remains totally unchanged either way, as so-called “Gun-Free” Zones have been repeatedly proven wholly ineffective in the first place.

    But, let’s not let pesky little things like facts get in the way of some good ole’ fashioned hand-wringing, pearl clutching, and couch fainting.

  15. avatar Docduracoat says:

    No cops in schools, I agree
    Why not armed guards?
    Trained, armed, insured, supervised, tested, security guards.
    Only there to protect from armed attackers.
    Not to enforce any rules

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      I agree with jwm.

      Armed grandparents vetted and trained by local law enforcement is the way to go.

    2. avatar Mudshark says:

      I totaly agree, armed gaurds would do wonders. Besides the mass shootings( which sometimes I think are planned by 2A destroyers) it would stop alot of kidnappings too. The world has changed, nothing wrong in my eyes about having tooled up tactical gaurds in and around schools.

  16. avatar Wrightl3 says:

    Funny how they never think of an armed guard.

    1. avatar Mudshark says:

      Im sure they thought about it, but it wouldnt look politcally correct. Denial gets rid of everything you know

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