Question of the Day: If Heckler & Koch is the “Porsche of Guns” What About the Other Guys?

Porsche Turbo (courtesy brinscars.com)

“We will expand our NATO business and the U.S. civilian business,” Heckler & Koch owner Andreas Heeschen told fortune.com. “We are the Porsche of weapons on that market.” Too bad Americans can’t buy the H&K equivalent of a Porsche Turbo: the fully-automatic MP5. Which brings us to our question: what other automotive analogies apply to firearms? Who’s the Toyota of firearms, and what’s their Prius? Who’s the Ford of firearms and what’s their F-150? Have at it, ladies and gentlemen!

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  1. avatar Rob C says:

    Keltec is the Fiat of the gun world.

    1. avatar Marc says:

      More like the Yugo. Don’t do Fiat the disservice. The Abarth is actually pretty nice.

      1. avatar Mike says:

        Don’t insult the yugo like that

    2. avatar neiowa says:

      That would be Chrysler by Obumer

    3. avatar Michael R. Zupcak says:

      According to the guy in “Get Shortie”, the “Fiat of Guns” is a “WOP-9”. Pretty funny movie.

    4. avatar R says:

      Kalashnikov are the Toyotas of the gun world, of course! reliable,low maintenance and commonly used by terrorists. No doubt that the the AK-47 would be compared to a Toyota Hilux.

    5. avatar TedCruzin'2016 says:

      Toyota = Glock
      Ford F150 = Ruger or Ruger 10/22 (best selling, most modified)
      Mercedes-Benz = Korth
      Nissan GTR = Tracking Point
      Lambo = Cobalt Kinetics
      Chrysler = Colt (mismanaged, a shadow of its glory days, questionable quality, semi-reliant on its past)
      Ferrari = Daniel Defense (Company named after its Obsessive Founder, committed to performance)
      Chevy = Smith and Wesson (has both low cost and high performance models for civs and gov)
      BMW = Sig Sauer

  2. avatar scooter says:

    Hi Point is the Geo Prism.

    1. avatar Vhyrus says:

      I would put hi point closer to hyundai. The people that buy them aren’t gun guys but think they got an amazing deal.

      1. avatar CB says:

        Hi Point would take being compared to Hyundai as a huge compliment, assuming they know anything about modern automobiles. Hi Point is probably more like Dodge. Cheap and will probably (maybe) get you where you need to go, but quality is bottom rung and everyone is going to look at your funny when you say you bought one.

        1. avatar Vhyrus says:

          Yeah I actually think Dodge is a better comparison. I was going to say Suzuki originally but there are way more hi points than suzuki cars.

        2. avatar Jan says:

          As a Dodge driver, i think Dodge is more like S&W. Their best product is based on somebody else’s design. Charger=MB S class chassis. M&P/sigma=Glock

    2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Say what you will about Hi Point, but I’ll carry one over a Keltec or Taurus, any day.

      My friend and I ran the piss out of his Hi Point and it did so without having one single malfunction. I cannot say the same for my experience with Keltec and Taurus.

      1. avatar Katy says:

        Definitely a Hyundai. Reputation for being cheap and clanky, reality is they are cheap but perform well.

      2. avatar Abram G says:

        Interesting. Out of curiosity, what model Hi Point and Taurus did you use? I’ve considered buying either one or the other as a backup/teach new people to shoot/because-I-can-‘merica gun, but I don’t have any experience with either (except my 995TS, which I think is decent).

        1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          HP C9 & Taurus PT709 and Millennium .380

        2. avatar Swarf says:

          You spelled Murica wrong… Comrade.

        3. avatar Abram G says:

          @RockOnHellChild: Thanks for the info.

          @Swarf: Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but I always thought the point of saying America, ‘Murica, or ‘merica was that it’s a free country, so say or do what you want. If my interpretation is correct, then either Murica or ‘merica is an “appropriate” spelling.

  3. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

    “Who’s the Ford of firearms and what’s their F-150?”

    I vote Ruger and the GP100

    1. avatar MedicMan says:

      Don’t insult one of Rugers remaining quality products- GP100 is at least worth a 250 or maybe a diesel comparison lol

      1. avatar Andrew Lias says:

        The diesel would be say a Super Blackhawk .44 mag IMO. Ya know “heavy load capable.”

    2. avatar Gurney Halleck says:

      That sounds about right

    3. avatar Jeremy in AL says:

      I was thinking F-150 = Rem 870

      1. avatar matty9 says:

        Definately. The 870 ain’t flashy, but it is reliable, and almost everyone has one, or has had one at one time.

        1. avatar WedelJ says:

          Well, *was* reliable… #freedomgroup

        2. avatar Steve in TX says:

          And the R51 would be a MG Midget

      2. avatar SouthernPhantom says:

        I’ll second the motion.

    4. avatar Lance F says:

      The Redhawk would be what, a F-450?

    5. GLOCK 19 is the F-150 and the GLOCK 26 is the Ranger.

      1. avatar JSW says:

        My 150 Ranger says it wants to be a Ruger but will settle for Colt.

  4. avatar MauiMatt says:

    Glock has to be a Honda. Ugly and uninspired, but it just works.

    1. avatar notalima says:

      Heh. I was going to say Glock17=Toyota Camry, but Apples/Apples 😉

    2. avatar Jack Griffin says:

      Glock = Toyota Hi-Lux

      1. 2ND on the glock to hilux. Reliably gets done what needs done without putting on airs.

        I’d say the 1911 is akin to late 68-72 Corvette. It was ahead of it’s time in the day. Can be setup well to run fast and strong, and is still classic, but you also have to deal with a reliability of a carburetor on ocassion. Not the best milage though.

        Sig is VW in my book. Good reliability, slightly un American tendencies, but is perfectly reliable.

        Hk is more of a BMW feel to me…

      2. avatar Stuki Moi says:

        I’d say Glocks are Camrys and Corollas. AK is HiLux. Sig is Mercedes. Smith and Wesson GM as far as diversity of product goes, although GM would die for the quality reputation Smith has. Ruger would be Ford, Smith’s Perennial challenger.

    3. avatar Bill says:

      Glock = Scion XB

      1. avatar Anonymoose says:

        Nah, the Springfield XD is the Scion XB.

        1. avatar tdiinva (Now in Wisconsin) says:

          XD is the VW of guns. Better performing trigger than the stock Glock. Got to take the Glock into the custom shop for a performance upgrade.

    4. avatar Clau-in-UT says:

      Glock is a Volvo, boxy yet reliable

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        Volvo’s are expensive. Glock is Toyota Corolla or Camry, depending on the size.

    5. avatar neiowa says:

      Glock would be a Schwinn with training wheels and mom helmet. See also Yahoo

  5. avatar MedicMan says:

    Glock is the Honda Civic. 300,000 (rounds or miles) and barely halfway to failure.

    Note: I don’t own or much care for Glockenspiels. Actually only own hammer guns (and yes the TCP counts as such). But Glock is what it is no matter the hate.

    1. avatar TonyO says:

      +1 somebody beat me to it! This is exactly what I had in mind.

  6. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    Not over priced, under performing shit boxes?

  7. avatar Vhyrus says:

    Walther is the Subaru of guns: Quirky but with amazing performance for the money… and getting killed in sales by every other company.

    I would actually say that Smith & Wesson is Ford. American built, middle of the road for quality and performance. They hold their own but never really innovate or push boundaries.

    Which means Colt is GM: Shafted the customer for 3 decades on price and quality in order to earn goverment sales, and when those dried up they had to take a bailout.

    1. avatar TonyO says:

      +1 I said Colt is Ford, but I definitely like your comparison better.

    2. avatar Katy says:

      That comparison is pretty good.

      Now I feel like I need to go buy a Walther. Probably the PPQ/Outback – a gun/car that will do just about anything you ask of it and do it really well. It isn’t perfect at anything, but a great all-around performer.

    3. avatar HES says:

      I dig it. But I was going to say that Walther is Audi

    4. avatar Zotz says:

      That Smith & Wesson analogy to Ford is accurate. In conversations with gun-shopping friends, I often characterize an M&P semi-auto as a Ford Mustang (a least before 2015) – USA designed and made, average looks, relative affordability, good performance, good quality, widely available, and highly moddable. That’s why I like my M&P’s.

    5. avatar CentralIL says:

      “I would actually say that Smith & Wesson is Ford. American built, middle of the road for quality and performance. They hold their own but never really innovate or push boundaries.”

      Comparing Smith and Wesson to Ford may be accurate for their semi-autos. However, I would strongly disagree with anyone calling current production S&W revolvers middle of the road. That would more accurately describe Taurus or maybe Ruger. If you are looking of a top of the line mass production (not hand made custom) DA revolver, Smith and Wesson is it.

      Furthermore, the Smith X-frame revolvers are basically the definition of pushing boundaries.

  8. avatar Chris in SC says:

    Glock is the Honda Civic: good first guns, plenty of experienced people rely on them every day, and some people go nuts with aftermarket parts until they are unrecognizable.

    1. avatar Christian Tener says:

      This is literally perfect.

  9. avatar BLKGsx says:

    Ruger is the Ford and 10/22 is the F-150.

    1. avatar Bill says:

      And the mark III is the Ranger

    2. avatar 16V says:

      With production in excess of 11MM, the Glenfield/Marlin 60, that’s the F150.

      The 10/22 is maybe a Taurus, with production of about half, at 5+MM.

      Just sayin’…

      1. avatar ACP_arms says:

        The Taurus that’s made by Ford…

        1. avatar 16V says:

          Thought about that after I typed it, but figured people would get the context.

  10. avatar TonyO says:

    The Toyota of the gun world? I’d say Ruger and their new American pistol is the Prius. The SR series is the Camry and Corolla.

    1. avatar Smith says:

      No one who owns a Prius owns a gun 🙂

      Jk.

      1. avatar FFL KB says:

        My neighbor has a Prius and a Glock 17

        1. avatar AndrewisVA says:

          I’ve ridden in a Prius along multiple NFA firearms. Granted, I do hang out with an odd crowd.

      2. avatar neiowa says:

        or a pair.

      3. avatar CentralIL says:

        Saw a Prius at the Knob Creek shoot about ten years ago. Commented that they must have gotten lost looking for a wine tasting.

  11. avatar Blake says:

    Remington=GM.

    Walker Fire Control System=GM ignition issues.

    Need I say more?

    1. avatar Curtis in IL says:

      Ford Pinto would be a better comparison.

    2. avatar Tile floor says:

      The GM Remington analogy is perfect

    3. avatar 16V says:

      I dunno, as much as I hate GM, they’ve only been burying that problem for only about a decade.

      The 700 has been going off unexpectedly for over 50 years.

    4. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      Remington=GM.
      Both Remington and GM used to make fantastic products.
      Both have lost the plot for sometime now.

  12. avatar Kris says:

    POF USA rifles are built like a tank, if tanks were built by Ferrari.

    1. avatar Larry says:

      So good looks but unreliable and shitty paint?

    2. avatar DJ says:

      Cadillac Gage Land Systems Division, then? 🙂

  13. avatar mlk18 says:

    Based on that Glock would be a Bobcat skid steer and Ruger would be whatever company makes airport luggage trolleys.

  14. avatar TonyO says:

    Colt is the Ford of the gun world, and the LE6920 AR-15 is the F-150: old, classic, runs reliably, but nothing super exciting. Meanwhile their 1911 is the Mustang of the line, and the SAA is their GT.

    1. avatar Tex300BLK says:

      See, I think the 1911 is the Super Duty, decades old design and a lot of re-used parts carried over generation with only cosmetic changes to the front clip and bed sides to tell roughly what generation it came from. Oh and not being particularly reliable (cough 6.0l powerjoke cough) with mythical reputation for being better than everything else that is just not substantiated by real world testing/results.

  15. avatar HandyDan says:

    Glock is definitely the Toyota, reliable, a little highly priced for a plain product.
    S&W is Ford or Chevy, the classic go to American brand.
    CZ is Mitsubishi, the sporty foreigner that you usually forget exists.
    Ruger is Kia, inexpensive but a good deal, and getting better and better as time goes by.
    Cabot is Lamborghini or Ferrari, beautiful, very highly priced and definitely one percenter terrirtory.
    Kimber is BMW, people who own them ascribe a lot more value then they are actually worth.
    FN is Volkswagon, usually not the first thing you think of when considering a purchase unless you already have one.
    Sig is Honda, or rather the Acura line of Honda, very reliable, very good value for money.

    1. avatar TonyO says:

      S&W is definitely Chevrolet.

      1. avatar Anonymoose says:

        No, S&W is Ford. Colt is Chrevrolet, and Ruger is Dodge.

    2. avatar Larry says:

      Well done

  16. avatar George in NC says:

    Hi Point is Yugo.

    1. avatar Anonymoose says:

      Why isn’t Yugo Yugo (Zastava)? Didn’t they used to the make those in the same factory?

      1. avatar Sacorey says:

        Because zastava makes great rifles and terrible cars

  17. avatar JH says:

    The fingerprint smart gun thing is the Prius for sure

  18. avatar Matt in Maine says:

    Sig would certainly be Mercedes.

  19. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Cabot would have to be the Fiat.
    Fix
    It
    Again
    Tony

  20. avatar Nonya says:

    Ruger is Ford
    S&W is Chevy
    Glock is Toyota
    Springfield is Honda
    Jeep is Kimber
    Keltec is Kia
    Kahr is Hyundai
    Walther is BMW
    Sig is Audi

    1. avatar Adub says:

      Most accurate list so far.

      The Glock 17 is a Camry: boring, reliable, and ugly.

      But I’d say Taurus is Hyundai. They sell a ton, have a big range, but they aren’t quite as good. But… Good value for the money.

      1. avatar FlamencoD says:

        I was thinking the same thing about Taurus. Hit or miss reputation, but it seems the ones who like them really like them and haven’t had any issues. While I’m not a Hyundai fan, I do have a stainless steel Taurus 24/7 G2 9mm that has been very reliable through 800+ rounds, but it doesn’t have a very good trigger (sort of like the Hyundais don’t have good handling, when compared to say, a Mazda), so I bought a Springfield XD Mod 2 4″ instead.

      2. avatar Former Water Walker says:

        Bingo…I remember in the early 90’s when Hyundai had the worst QC(I worked with a guy who’s mirror and door trim fell off within a week of Hy purchase). Now they are major players. I’m one of those “lucky” Taurus owners-4 that ran perfectly.And one was used. And I had a Keltec pf9 that was OK and a Sub2000 that was great. But I wouldn’t put keltec QC up to Taurus level.

  21. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    I have always said that Glock is the Toyota Hilux of pistols. Quite dated and not necessarily pretty to look at, but dead reliable, and beautiful for its rugged simplicity.

    Dare I say that I see the 1911 as the Ford Super Duty of the pistol world? Beautiful to look at, not necessarily reliable, and essentially the same thing as the original model with a new grill and nicer tail lights every few years to keep things fresh. Yeah, I’ll catch some hate for that, but Ford (and 1911) fanboys will have a hard time actually arguing with the facts of that analogy.

  22. If you mean owned almost exclusively by douchebags, expensive for no reason, requiring extensive and constant maintenance and repair and being impossible to get parts for unless you’re a mid-size country, then yeah. H&K is just like a Porsche or a really serious hangover. Expensive and bad for the head.

  23. avatar Anonymoose says:

    Korth is Bentley, Korriphila is Rolls-Royce, Infinity is Ferrari

    1. avatar germanguy says:

      I would say Korth is more like a Rolls-Royce, than a Bentley, but that is just nitpicking.

  24. avatar Amy says:

    STI International as Rolls Royce

  25. avatar CB says:

    I’m not sure calling yourself the Porsche of guns is a good thing., But whatever, here’s my analogy:

    Sarsilmaz is the Hyundai of guns: The uninformed look down their nose and think they’re junk but the smart buyers know it’s one of the best deals going.

    Remington is the GM of guns: The quality can be iffy but they sell a ton based on a reputation built decades ago.

    Taurus is the Chrysler (Fiat) of guns: Sometimes you get a good one but the quality is usually at the bottom of the barrel.

    Smith & Wesson is the Toyota of guns: Not great, nothing too flashy, but an honest value that you can count on.

    1. avatar WRH says:

      I had to Google Sarsilmaz. I have never heard of them but they look decent.

  26. avatar JohnF says:

    The Chiappa Rhino = The Pontiac Aztec

    Only because I could not think of a contemporary car that is more butt-ugly. Also, both Pontiac and the Rhino have “prominent noses” as signatures/

    1. avatar germanguy says:

      How about the Fiat Multipla? I don’t know if you have seen them in the States, but they are fugly as hell.

      1. avatar anaxis says:

        Ha! I forgot about those.

        Smart car (or Mini Cooper) = NAA revolver?

        Definitely a Smart roadster and not the fortwo coupe; the NAA is far more cute than those fugly driveable rollerskates

  27. avatar Big Jim says:

    First off I don’t know what they’ve been doing over there at Heckler and Koch. But they’ve been turning out some real turds lately. The g36 Was. By believe the Swedes Because they said at 300 yards you couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn with it after firing about 150 200 rounds through it. Problem is the receivers now that they’re using aren’t sheet metal anymore they’re plastic just like a Smith & Wesson 15-22 Which is in bed if you’re shooting 22 long rifle but when you start going to 5.56 NATO and bigger cartridges you start developing a hell of a lot more heat And when the receiver is heated up they started warping And then when they would cool down They would go somewhat back into shape but not quite. It’s not a Porsche the H&K its more like a VW

  28. avatar S.CROCK says:

    Glock is for sure a Toyota Camry. No one looks twice at it, it does nothing cool, but you can put 400,000 miles on it. It is relatively quick easy and inexpensive to repair.

    Ak 47s are a skateboard. There is no way you are going to get it to jam (or have the transition go out).

    9mm is a car that runs of regular fuel. 10mm is diesel, probably better but more expensive and hard to find.

    AR-15 is a Honda civic, the customization possibilities are endless.

    Smart guns are the Prius. It doesn’t matter if it can look interesting or functions well. Anybody you show it to will give you crap. (And some Prius cars have short battery life so when you need it, it might not work).

    1911s are Jeep. Very American but not as practical or reliable as other options.

    Classic muscle cars are like mil surp rifles. You get it because you want an awesome collection, not because you want to get from point a to point b or have the best defensive tool.

  29. avatar Don Nelson says:

    Freedom Arms = ICON

  30. avatar ActionPhysicalMan says:

    I kinda think of my Five Seven as a Delorean – destined for great things and aging gracefully:-)

  31. H&K is not the Porsche of the gun world. H&K is overpriced and doesn’t offer significant performance over that of a Glock or M&P (which you could call the Toyota and Honda of the gun world) to justify the additional 40% you’ll pay for the H&K logo. Maybe H&K wants people to think that and buy its products as a status symbol.

    H&K has had some real quality issues lately and its financial troubles have not gone unnoticed either. Then there’s the who legal drama associated with exporting guns to Mexico.

    1. avatar Paul on Harsens Island says:

      Porsche is overpriced crap that doesn’t offer significant performance over it’s rivals therefore the analogy is correct.

  32. avatar tsbhoA.P.jr says:

    nylon 66 is the iron duke fiero.

    1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      The Nylon 66 is one of the more reliable and handy guns of which I have ever owned. I gave it to my daughter. Fiero is a real insult.

      1. avatar Andrew Lias says:

        Actually what’s really funny is they get a bad rap for the catching fire thing, but they were the first car with a five star crash test rating.

  33. avatar tsbhoA.P.jr says:

    cz 75 is a guzzi 850t.

  34. avatar neiowa says:

    Porsche still puts the engine at the wrong end of the auto?

    The equivalent handgun (once known as a Polish suicide pistol)

    http://andjuniorshakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/suicide-gun1.jpg

  35. avatar Don says:

    Glock = Honda
    S&W M&P = Toyota
    Walther = Subaru
    Sig = BMW

    In most cases you should just get a Honda and it’s going to work and you’ll be happy, if you want a few more features on top of that get a Toyota, if you want something that’s good and also want to be more emotionally attached to it go with Subaru, if you want something with all the features of above but is a little more fun to drive go with BMW.

    -D

  36. avatar Matthew says:

    Holland and Holland would definitely be the Rolls Royce of guns, hands down. 1%er pricetag, handmade in England by only the finest craftsmen using only the finest materials. They have a timeless beauty and are an object that most of us mere mortals can only hope to see up close a handful of times in life, and maybe never get to put hands on.

    1. avatar Mike says:

      Agree completely, does the same thing as a Toyota/Mossberg, just does with much more class.
      Accuracy international= Range Rover.

      Remember when Gun manufactures made bikes, BSA

      1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

        Remember when Sears sold guns.

  37. avatar Matthew says:

    I would also have to add that Taurus is the Kia of guns. They used to make garbage throw-away products, but now their products are of ever increasing quality and reliability. They still get scoffed at by some who are “too good to look at them,” but many others are quite impressed by how far they have come the last few years. Both also offer some of the best warranties in the business to back up the quality, and both give you a lot for your money when compared to more established brands.

    As far as models, the PT111 G2 is the Kia Optima, the one model that it seems everyone is checking out, and is the one that is most revised and most likely to impress a skeptic.

  38. avatar anaxis says:

    Mini Cooper – NAA revolver

  39. avatar nynemillameetuh says:

    For handguns I’d rank Korth as the Porsche or Ferrari.

  40. avatar Socrates says:

    My two cents. Glock 19 is definitely = to Toyota Corolla. Will get you there after a lot of miles with no frills. It just works.

  41. avatar Eric The Red 79 says:

    My DPMS is the chevy silverado of guns. It does what you need it to do, just not as well as a BCM, the F150 of guns.

  42. avatar anaxis says:

    SKS – ’91 Chevy S10 manual 5spd pickup. Utilitarian and reliable, but with plenty of aftermarket plastic “upgrades”.

  43. avatar Dan says:

    I can see that the marketing people who work for the auto companies need to do some more work to define their brands for you folks.

    The brands within GM are not differentiated much in the above comments. That probably had a bit to do with their doing away with Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn.

    So, the market has the following tiers

    Some uber luxury vehicles (the elite drive these): Maybach, Rolls Royce, Aston Marton and other handmade types.

    High end luxury vehicles (you can drive these when you’ve made your pile but they don’t convey good breeding): Cadillac, Mercedes, Infiniti, Jaguar, BMW, Audi

    Luxury cars that might tempt the middle class to spend too much on their transportation: Lincoln, Volvo, BMW (3series), Lexus, Buick

    Trucks are of course the most common vehicle driven by millionaires according to studies. The most common truck driven by millionaires is the F-150.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      50 years ago in eastern KY there lived the largest concentration of millionaires in America. Nobody knew what a billionaire looked like then.

      Pickups was their transport. And not high end pickups either. Fords with standard tranny’s and column mounted shifters seemed to be their official vehicle.

      1. avatar Dan says:

        I was amused by folks saying Ruger = anything made by a Japanese auto company. Ruger puts that made in America thing all over itself…Ruger American rimfire, Ruger American pistol, Ruger American hula hoop…you get the idea.

        Like the Japanese auto makers, who have huge design and production facilities in the US (Toyota’s Ann Arbor facility for example), The gun manufacturers from Germany (SIG for example) appear to have moved most of their ops to the US.

        1. avatar jwm says:

          Biggest gun market in the world. Maybe biggest car market as well. Makes sense to set up production here.

  44. avatar mercutio says:

    Glock is the Ford F-150.

  45. avatar Bob312 says:

    Andreas Heeschen is a salesman. I like the MP-5 and other HK guns, but not that impressed. Frankly, I would compare the MP-5 to a Honda Civic: Small, short, accurate, reliable, under-powered, and it makes a great hand-me-down gun. G-3…where do I start with my complaints: Accurate but maneuverable as a 4 foot long 2×4. My HK P30…accurate but I am never going to get the mag release….and again, Honda Civic.

  46. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    After reading some of these I wa t to change/expand my original list.

    Glock = Honda Civic, boring uninspired but will never die, good value to boot, plethora of aftermarket support can make them look really wild but still a Civic
    XDm = Toyota Corolla, a little prettier than the Civic and offers a few more bells and whistles, but basically still just a Civic yet inexplicably 20% more
    Walther PPQ = whoever likened this to a Subaru Impreza is dead on, super reliable, incredible value and loads of performance for the money, yet time and again people pass them over for inexplicable reasons
    Smith and Wesson M&P = Chevy Silverado, good value, dead reliable, gets bagged on by the other brands but when put to the test always comes out at or near the top, minor fit and finish issues just make it feel cheaper than the others
    H&K = BMW M series, good performance, but you pay a heavy premium for the badge on the trunk, and generally only pricks buy them
    Sig = whoever said Mercedes was spot on, with perhaps an analogy between Legion and AMG being appropriate as well
    1911 = Ford F series, decades old design with minor cosmetic upgrades to keep it fresh, dead sexy to look at, and when you get a good one they are really good, when you get a bad one… Well just ask anyone who owned a 6.0l powerstroke
    Revolvers (any of them) = that guy who has an old beater truck that he claims is better than anything new or currently on the market some are nicer than others

  47. avatar ninjaTED says:

    Mosin-Nagant is the Zil limo. Fine example of Soviet engineering and precision.

  48. avatar James in AZ says:

    HK doesnt nearly deserve to be Porsche. Stupid ergonomics, unnecessary complexity, ridiculous prices for what you get.
    Porsche was meant to be high performance, affordable. Like, Glocks.

    1. avatar James in AZ says:

      And that sheet-metal-welded-heavy-ass-ergonomics-disaster-heavy-as-AR15-yet-shooting-9mm is comparable to 911 turbo? You gotta be kidding me

  49. avatar Mike says:

    HK=Porsche
    SIG & FN =Mercedes
    AK & Glock =F150
    AR15, S&W & Taurus REVOLVERS = Silverado
    10/22=Modern Kia/Hundai
    Keltec=moped
    Hipoint/Jennings/Lorcan=junk yard cars after being crushed, except that’s an insult to the crushed cars

  50. avatar Irideducs says:

    CZ = Mazda

  51. avatar Terrence says:

    I knew a Porsche mechanic who went to school 3 times a year to learn their complicated systems back in the 70’s. Overpriced but sporty and fast cars. HK makes very tough reliable pistols more like my Toyota Tacoma TRD. Can’t get it stuck in the mud and runs circles around F-150’s (Glocks). Beretta not mentioned but also very reliable like an old beater Subaru….

  52. avatar El Duderino says:

    I’ve always said that Glocks are the Camrys of the gun world. They work great but you’re never going to run to tell all your gun friends about your new one.

    Colt is Chevrolet, duh. Needs a bailout of fresh cash every so often. :). I’m a Marine vet from the era when just about every military vehicle with wheels had some Chevy DNA in it, and so it is with Colt.

  53. avatar James says:

    Smart car?

    Hi-Point.

  54. avatar Wes says:

    Glock = Jeep Wrangler

  55. avatar Southern Cross says:

    I know I’ve come late to the party, but to me the Remington 700 is like a Harley Davidson.

    There are better out-of-the-box options but a full custom job is only an after-market catalog away (ie: Brownells).

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      But back on the original thread, is H&K like a Porsche?

      No. H&K can be likened to a Mercedes-Benz G-Wagen at best and a Unimog truck at worst,

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