Courtesy http://www.ktnv.com/news/homeowner-shoots-at-attempted-burglar

In the video interview above [click here or on the image to view], the Las Vegas homeowner says he saw three men stalking the house. One broke in with a mask and a hammer. The homeowner fired two shots. His rifle jammed. The intruders ran off. From ktnv.com . . .

Investigators say a homeowner shot at a man he believed was breaking into his home. The suspect was able to escape.

The homeowner’s semi-automatic rifle was a pistol caliber carbine chambered in 9mm. The rifle seems to be the newer version of the Feather carbine using GLOCK magazines. Feather rifles made before  2008 use UZI style magazines. The Feather pistol caliber carbines are commonly found in the political lists of “assault weapons”.

You may notice that reporters and news directors around the country are backing away from the previous policy of spiking or ignoring armed self defense stories. Local media are realizing that viewers and readers are interested in defensive gun use (DGU).

I expect that we will see more self defense stories with pictures of the firearms used in the future. With each successful DGU people see, gun ownership and gun rights get a welcome boost. While bad guys get a shot across their bow.

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69 Responses to Defensive Gun Use of the Day: Sin City Feather Carbine v. Hammer Time

  1. “I went and got another gun today”

    FeatherUSA should be embarrassed this mans gun was not up to the task in his moment of need.

    I know I wont be buying a Feather carbine, least of all trusting my life to one.

        • Please don’t use this as an opportunity to diss the Hi Point carbine. i own one (995TS), along with other more costly/higher caliber guns. Mine has a bit over 1,000 rounds and does not jam; I get head shot size groups at 50 yards, and upper torso 8 inch groups at 100 yards, using Tula and Wolf ammo and the original peep sights; and I am no expert. I have not broken mine down yet, but I do maintain the barrel, chamber, trigger area and bolt face after use. I suspect this guy does not clean his rifle.

        • My comment was not made in jest. I also own a 995TS. It’s one of my home defense weapons and is stored accordingly. Occasionally if you don’t load the magazine just right, the first round will nosedive when you try to close the bolt. But it has never, ever failed to cycle properly.

          In all sincerity, with a price around $250 it makes an excellent home defense weapon for those with limited means.

    • Pistol caliber carbines suck. If you’re only going to shoot a pistol caliber, use…oh…I don’t know…a pistol?
      The problem with rifles are the length inside your home. The advantages of a rifle is stopping power.
      So take both disadvantages of a rifle and a pistol and put it in one platform. BRILLIANT!!!

      • “Pistol caliber carbines suck. If you’re only going to shoot a pistol caliber, use…oh…I don’t know…a pistol?
        The problem with rifles are the length inside your home. The advantages of a rifle is stopping power.
        So take both disadvantages of a rifle and a pistol and put it in one platform. BRILLIANT!!!”

        I’m inclined to respectfully disagree with you for several reasons.

        1. PCC’s generally are, ballistically far superior to a pistol counterpart chambered in the same caliber.

        2. PCC’s are generally easier to shoot effectively. Less muzzle flash than your typical pistol, you have a stock to brace against your shoulder, along with the general heavier weight of the PCC soaks up recoil (wasn’t applicable to this guy) and a longer sight radius.

        3. The end user may be recoil or noise sensitive, which may preclude them from purchasing a full powered rifle or a shotgun for home defense scenario, whereas a PCC may prove more practical. (I own several AR’s and AK patterns but the go to home defense gun that’s ready is my 9MM ar build, cus even the weakest person in my hpusehold can effrctively shoot with it, in case I’m not home or incapacitated)

        4.in tough, economically trying times having ammunition and sometimes even ammo commonality can be the difference as to owning a firearm that may save a life.

        5. It’s generally the closest one will get to a SMG without NFA paperwork.

        Also: I don’t see a rifle’s length being terribly impractical for home defense scenarios. We used M4s during UO in tiny little mud huts with out any problem. It’s generally once you start pushing past 18barrels that it gets unwieldy

        • 1. PCC’s generally are, ballistically far superior to a pistol counterpart chambered in the same caliber.

          200 fps isn’t far superior. Now rifle cartridges on the other hand are far far superior to even your PCC.

          2. PCC’s are generally easier to shoot effectively. Less muzzle flash than your typical pistol, you have a stock to brace against your shoulder, along with the general heavier weight of the PCC soaks up recoil (wasn’t applicable to this guy) and a longer sight radius.

          Get a 9mm handgun or a steel framed .45. Problem solved.

          3. The end user may be recoil or noise sensitive, which may preclude them from purchasing a full powered rifle or a shotgun for home defense scenario, whereas a PCC may prove more practical. (I own several AR’s and AK patterns but the go to home defense gun that’s ready is my 9MM ar build, cus even the weakest person in my hpusehold can effrctively shoot with it, in case I’m not home or incapacitated)

          Again, 9mm hangin is easy. 20 gauge shotgun easy as well.

          4.in tough, economically trying times having ammunition and sometimes even ammo commonality can be the difference as to owning a firearm that may save a life.

          Shotgun shells were widely available during the shortage. 5.56 isn’t that expensive. We’re talking about self defense. How many rounds a week do you spend shooting people? I have no problem with a PCC for plinking.

          5. It’s generally the closest one will get to a SMG without paper work.

          Assuming you need an SMG

        • I’d agree, I really like PCCs, and think they in theory are perfect for home defense, however outside of much more expensive models I somewhat question many of the cheaper models reliability. I had a TNW ASR that I really liked for the range, but had just enough issues that I wouldn’t trust it for home defense. I’d trust a $500 AR over any of the sub-$1k PCCs…

        • During the last ammo shortage, 5.56 were almost nowhere, and they need a 20 inch barrel or you get really bad muzzle flash. During that shortage .45 and 9mm were far more common than 5.56s were and you can have a 16 inch barrel with no flash.

          Thing is there is no perfect gun for every situration or person. Every gun type has its place.

        • If you’re worried about muzzle flash in a DGU, you’re worried about the wrong thing. Just turn the fucking lights on. You are going to have to identify your target anyway. Lights are a security feature.

        • James Yeager just put out a video recently saying exactly what this guy’s saying (same title even), You aren’t Yeager you wont convince Michael in GA of anything. You’re probably a Fudd also so your opinion doesn’t matter anyway. lol

        • Well if you guys get so butt hurt that you want to shoot me, please shoot me with your pistol caliber carbine. That way I have a fighting chance. Shotgun or rifle? Not going to be able stay in that fight.

      • In your opinion and for your situation, that all may be true. For others, your opinion is worth less than a bag of manure, at least the manure can be used on the garden.

        • Some men wear hats. Some men don’t. They each have valid reasons.

          If I am going to carry a long gun for defense, (and I do) it’s going to fire a rifle round or a shotgun shell.
          If I am going to carry a weapon that fires a handgun caliber, (and I do) it will be a handgun.
          Anyone with any limitations can do the same, unless they are so disabled that they would struggle with any firearm.
          The Pistol caliber carbine may fill a niche. But home defense is already filled with much better options.

      • “Well if you guys get so butt hurt that you want to shoot me, please shoot me with your pistol caliber carbine. That way I have a fighting chance. Shotgun or rifle? Not going to be able stay in that fight.”

        It’s odd that you think someone would get so butt hurt they would want to shoot you. Not everyone is wound tight as yourself. Honestly Rambo, I bet if (god forbid) you were ever shot, you’d fold like a soggy taco no matter the caliber. A 9mm, .40 S&W or .45acp out of a 16in barrel is no joke. I want no part of anything can poke any kind of hole in me. I am willing to guess no criminal does either.

        • ” I want no part of anything can poke any kind of hole in me.”

          No shit. Pay attention. If you are going to choose what you get shot with, and you can’t, you should choose a pistol round over a shotgun or rifle round.
          I can’t believe I am even having to argue this point with anyone. Geez!

      • You’re the one asking for it to be with a pistol caliber carbine so you can tuff it out and keep fighting. I agree a rifle and shotgun are better options but they aren’t the “only” option. My point being that pistol caliber carbines are BETTER than pistols. They are the middle ground between pistols and rifles/shotguns. Bring down the douche volume and I bet you wont have as much push back when you share your golden opinions……and try not to get so butthurt when people disagree with you. Might save yourself an ulcer or two.

    • All this debate about the effectiveness of pistol caliber carbines or the reliability of brands is somewhat immaterial. The story here had a happy ending: a citizen armed with a “high-capacity assault rifle” successfully defended his life and property.
      Nuf said.

  2. Damn, that looks just like the grease gun I had in Vietnam, except the barrel was 3″, it didn’t have a rail, and I couldn’t even imagine how it could be made semi-auto. Looked like it cost several dollars, mostly because the barrel was rifled for some reason. I mean, no sights, full auto only, 3″ barrel, you ain’t gonna hit anything anyway, why rifle the barrel?

    • The rate of fire was so low on a grease gun you could touch off single shots with a little practice. Can’t tell you why yours only had a 3 inch barrel. All the ones I saw had longer barrels. Something like 10 to 12 inches.

      They were in use and issued to tank crew into the 80’s. Maybe some enterprising tanker snub nosed it to make it fit inside the beast better?

      As far as I know they were all made by general motors headlight division during ww2.

      • It’s just one of many in the “tube” style construction of guns. Stens, Sterlings, Grease guns, Walthers, S&W all made them.

  3. I must confess I had to google Feather Carbine. Sometimes you just need to scare the bad guys…

  4. I bet fewer than 10 times a year the bad guys hang around after the first shots and fight it out. And if their buddy gets hit they’ll run off and leave him to die.

    • Well, if you’re gonna go the 12-gauge route, there are any number of dead-reliable pumps available for excellent prices from Mossberg, Stephens and Remington. I can’t think of a single good reason for choosing a double-barrel for defense.

      • Really? One shot haphazardly into the air from the balcony and one shot into an uncertain target on the other side of the door. That’s how you rock a double barrel shotgun: you bring it Biden-style.

      • Why?? Here bad guy listen to my hollywood cha-chick as I chamber a round 4 times…….. are you scared yet are you running away??

        Iam not the Police,loss prevention,security or a private contractor. Iam an American Citizen and do not have to announce my presence, command anyone to freeze, collect evidence etcal.
        Iam a pit bull in the dark with no voicebox. I do not care whose baby they are or what their personal problems are, all I know is they are breaking into my home @ 2am. They are not there to wish me a merry x-mas, drop off a come to jesus pamphlet or sell me some Amway products they are there to kill me or my wife and children.

        So using my antiquated 12 gauge double I can put 18 9mm (or so) sized pellets in flight so I’ve effectly shot a 9mm 18 times in under 2 sec.(or less) If I so chose. Or I can shoot once (or 9 times for 9mm) then wait and see. At in house ranges the 12 ga is king. Reloading? easy as eating pancakes. Pop-tip-out -two big sticks go in two big holes and done. Watch some of the cowboy shooters and see WITH practice what you can do.

        Also just as a side note the 12ga shotgun has killed EVERY animal on the planet, yes Virginia even elephants.

        I wonder if there is a study of rounds discharged in Home/Personal defense? I’m betting less than 6.

        Just my mountian dew infulanced ramblings……..

        • All great arguments for the 12 gauge shotgun, but I still don’t see the advantage of going double-barrel vs. a reliable pump with two or three (or more) times the capacity.

        • Pump is far superior to the double barrel that was rendered outdated by the introduction revolver. Pump action is what make shotguns effective for HD again. Give me a pump action, tactical 12 gauge with a pistol grip (not PGO) over a old double barrel anyday. Faster to reload, holds up to 8 shells besides having a spare shell holder, etc. Don’t even have to open the gun up, just push more shells into the magazine tube and pump. Just such a lightyear leap in firearms.

      • because you can break a double barrel down into a gym bag sized package and nobody will ever know. Best travel companion you will ever have, especially if you can’t afford the nicer motels in the better areas of the town. I’m not saying it should take the place of a good night stand pistol, but a salvo of .32 caliber pellets take the starch out of most people. Also if you lady friend does not practice alot with a pistol, a double shot gun is about the simplest gun to operate on the planet, even easier than a AK.

      • A good reason for choosing a double barrel? Why…warning shots off the back porch.

        Smokin’ Joe Biden said so himself, and if the Vice Prez said so, how could it not be true.

  5. I like that look of the feather carbine anyone have a review on them? Is it possible that it only fired twice due to maintenance issues?

    • Feather USA is only accepting orders for Parts and Accessories We are not taking any orders on rifles or giving any prices on new models. 

      From the website.

      • Given that the Feather carbine looks, and apparently functions, as though it were the mechanical lovechild of a latex caulking gun and a bicycle pump, I’d bet you could construct a close-enough knockoff of one from parts you already have in your garage.

  6. Um, if that carbine is capable of firing with the stock collapsed, doesn’t that mean his carbine is an “Any Other Weapon” and requires a tax stamp?

    • According to the NFL a as long as the barrel is 16 inches end the overall length is greater than 26 it is a rifle

        • I suspect Rybred had a “smart” device with auto-correct which incorrectly figured that he meant the acronym for the National Football League rather than the National Firearms Act.

      • Ah, I am confident the receiver is every bit of 10 inches long which would mean its overall length is at least 26 inches (assuming it has a 16 inch barrel).

        Then again, looking at the picture again and the relative position of the magazine, I am not so sure the receiver is 10 inches. Oh well.

        Thanks!

  7. Guy got lucky. All the more reason you should keep your guns prepped and lubed, especially lower-quality ones. This isn’t an AK that spent 30 years in a closet at some guy’s house in Jordan.

  8. Time for a new carbine. I like the Kel-Tec SUB-2000 carbine. From everything that I have been able to gather, they just plain work all . the . time.

    And its 16 inch barrel will launch a .40 S&W 135 grain hollowpoint bullet at something like 1,650 fps. If that doesn’t slow down a home invader, I don’t know what will.

    • I have a 9mm Sub-2k with Glock magazines. It’s fitted with a laser/light combo under-barrel (so it can be folded). With 17 or 31-round magazines, it’s very nice for home defense. It’s balanced enough that in a pinch you can fire it one-handed from the hip, aiming with the laser, if you need to.

  9. “You may notice that reporters and news directors around the country are backing away from the previous policy of spiking or ignoring armed self defense stories.”

    You (we) report it and they don’t they lose credibility, clicks and ad dollars. So drip, drip, drip away reporting what they won’t and eventually they have to, whether they want to or not.

    Harder to bury, that lots of good happens. Same problem for the activists as open carry where nobody gets killed.

    • “Harder to bury, that lots of good happens. Same problem for the activists as open carry where nobody gets killed.”

      Cognitive Dissonance is a real tough bedfellow.

      Propaganda always reveals itself for the lie it is. Sometimes it takes a while, and all too often it can be very painful for some, but propaganda always reveals itself. eventually.

  10. Maybe that Feather was all dude could afford, let’s try to keep on task of him doing what needed to be done instead of criticizing him for what his gun choice was. I’m not saying that I wanna buy one of those, or trust my life to one, but he did the best he could with what he had.

  11. Time to switch to a Hi-Point carbine, unnamed LV homeowner. It’s not target accurate, but it will go bang when you press the switch. Which you may need to do more than twice the next time your home is invaded.

    • I see what you did there!

      Speaking of knocking someone over with a feather, the apartment occupant may have to do just that to defend himself if his carbine jams after two shots.

  12. Yet again, I see a multitude of people talking on a gun that they’ve probably never fired before.
    Couple things worth noting: (and I’m sure I’ll be crucified for this)

    • all Firearms will eventually jam or have a malfunction (as will all things mechanical have some sort of issue without proper maintenence)

    • did no one stop to think ot might not be the weapon’s fault? Could it be end user error (did he fail to clean his weapon) or improperly could it have been bad ammo? (Recently at the range I had 8 dud primers out of a 180 box of American Eagle 62 gr. 5.56) or could it have been a magazine issue, which is generally the culprit of most malfunctions. Did he insert the magazine only part way? Were hus magazine feed lips damaged or out of spec from using old mags or after market junkers?

    I shot the feather carbine, it wouldn’t be my home defense gun of choice, not due to reliability but just the ergonomics are uncomfortable for me however it went bang every time and put around exactly where I wanted it to go. I’m less inclined to believe that it was a problem with the weapon rather than a magazine, bad ammo or just letting the gun get extremely dirty

  13. Hmmm. More or less proves pistol calibers don’t over-penetrate. Does Nevada prosecute for firing warning shots?

  14. Notwithstanding the gun’s faults, it got the job done.

    I have read that .357 mag gains a lot of velocity in a rifle length barrel. Having watched cowboy actions shooters use them, I think a Henry Big Boy carbine or Big Boy steel would make a good home defense weapon.

  15. No one mentioned a sub2000 in 40? I love mine and the glock mags make it a natural compliment for other glock 22s

  16. But I am not disregarding the advantages handguns have over long guns.
    Your entire argument revolves around the slight gains achieved in a longer barrel and a stock.
    Why not go all the way with an AK?
    7.62×39 is cheap enough to meet your other requirement.

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