Quote of the Day: NYPD to Go First With Smart Guns?

“Reducing gun violence and strengthening NYPD equipment are top priorities for this administration. We are always looking into ways to encourage the use and development of new technology, and will review this proposal.” – DeBlasio administration spokesperson Monica Klein in Top pols urge mayor to invest in smart guns for the NYPD [at nydailynews.com]

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  1. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    How about training and practice ammo?

    1. avatar Tile floor says:

      And ditching the 12 lb trigger

      1. avatar Mr Pierogie says:

        Was going to say the same thing. Those 12lb triggers are nothing but trouble. Ironically the NYPD thinks they’re safe because the pull is so heavy, but those triggers are probably one of the key reasons why their accuracy is piss poor and why innocent bystanders get shot.

      2. avatar Chris in NC says:

        The 12# trigger was designed to mimic the feeling of a smart gun that is not ready to fire.

  2. avatar peirsonb says:

    Well, bystanders will be safer when the guns won’t fire…

    1. avatar DerryM says:

      Exactly my first reaction, as well!

      1. avatar Another Robert says:

        Didn’t take long, did it?

        1. avatar DerryM says:

          As soon as I read the Post’s Title. You?

        2. avatar Another Robert says:

          Yup.

    2. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Well, bystanders will be safer when the guns won’t fire…”

      And dogs…

  3. avatar Dave says:

    Smart guns, dumb cops… Seems about right.

    1. avatar Doesky2 says:

      The world would probably be better with fewer NY cops so I guess I support this idea.

    2. avatar Alex says:

      Yawn…NYC PBA will NEVER let this come to pass. When NJ passed its famous smart gun bill, the cops said “NO WAY Loretta”…and she carved them a cutout.

  4. avatar IL-annoyed says:

    Do the NYPD have a rampant string of handgun thefts?

    1. avatar JasonM says:

      NYPD is the largest criminal organization outside of DC.

  5. avatar HP says:

    Man, DeBlasio really, really hates the NYPD, doesn’t he? I bet his security detail won’t be carrying smart guns.

    1. avatar Nate says:

      I bet his security detail will be non-existant at this rate. Well I think I smell some blue flu in the air coming! He may be the Mayor but he’s just a clawless pussy without his police force unless Fuhr Cuomo sends some Troopers down to help him but that would look “weak”. Shit NYPD arrests cops carrying under LEOSA until they get “official paperwork” from the arestee’s agency.

      1. avatar HP says:

        I’ve read up on some case law regarding the NYPD arresting other police officers while disregarding LEOSA. The out of town cop always gets his gun back and the case gets dismissed, but what a nightmare it has to be for the guy. Federal laws? Who needs em’! This is New Yawk City.

        1. avatar Mark N. says:

          What a scenario. Blue flu for the security detail. Replaced with State troopers who are promptly arrested by the NYPD!

  6. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    ” Stringer said, but the department has refused to disclose exactly how much it spends on firearms for security reasons.”

    What!?

    1. avatar Fred says:

      They don’t want the taxpayers to know how much it is or they will be so upset they will demand a cut in funding and possibly be so enraged they are “non-compliant” towards police.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      Yeah what a load.

  7. avatar James says:

    Notice the hedging. So much hedging, grass won’t grow. “We are always looking”. When they’re done looking, there maybe a small pilot project with some desk jockey or investigators that rarely are in the field or go after low risk perps. But don’t be fooled, department wide adoption of smart guns isn’t happening anytime soon.

  8. avatar Curtis in IL says:

    When pigs fly.

  9. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

    IDK guys, haven’t any of you seen Judge Dred? Eventual use of smart guns for execution is a probability.

    /sarc or maybe not.

    1. avatar James69 says:

      Ya beat me to it! That’s just what Megacity 1 needs – Lawgivers – and the kicker – it EXPLODES if somebody else tries to use it!
      Each individual round fired is tagged with the DNA code of the Judge to whom the weapon belongs, thus making identification of the shooter possible with the recovery of the slugs from a victim.

      Selection Options:

      Full-Rapid Fire – automatic firing
      Armor Piercing – penetrating armor, doors, destroying enemy weapons
      Signal Flare – Fires miniature flare for external illumination
      Grenade – Demolition of soft targets (doors, vehicles, etc.)
      Double Whammy – Additional barrel; fires two rounds simultaneously at two separate targets

      If only Steve Jobs were still alive!

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        Yeah, but what happens when they use cloned cops to spoof the IDs?

        1. avatar Angryaz says:

          Many votes are cast from beyond grave why not law enforcement as well….

    2. avatar Tim says:

      That, or Psycho-Pass. Silencerco already did their part with the Maxim, all that’s left is the tech for pre-crime evaluation.

      1. avatar Neighborhood Watch Alliance says:

        Haha yeah, know I know why the Maxim looks so familiar.

      2. avatar James69 says:

        That’s the “expanded” backround checks………

  10. avatar Alex Peterson says:

    “60% of the time, it works…every time” – Brian Fantana in Anchorman.

  11. avatar J says:

    It’s a sop to the President. Only real use would be a large scale field test that will prove us right.

    1. avatar MoveableDO says:

      Totally! I am really happy about this. We need a major PD to fully switch to “Smart” guns so we can actually see all of the troubles. Too bad cops will have to die so that we don’t.

  12. Watch how fast the PBA fights this nonsense. This guy is a one term mayor, so the technology won’t exist before he’s voted out of office.

  13. avatar tdgrafton says:

    Does NYPD use the tech were the gun leaves the holster it sends an alert out? Would think that would be first step.

    1. avatar James69 says:

      This might be the best Idea I’ve ever heard..I think it would work.

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        And if it failed, no big harm. And it could be sold as officer safety, a way to automatically roll backup. Probably need to automatically disable it in the locker room.

  14. avatar Rob C says:

    Hope those things come with an AimBot….

    1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

      one can only hope.

  15. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    That sound you hear is the collective sigh of relief from all the innocent bystanders who have been hit or know someone who has been hit by errant gunfire from New York’s “finest”.

    The only problem I see with this, since it is New York, if a police officer gets into a life or death situation and the gun fails and they get killed it will likely be completely glossed over and spark a crusade against the evil “dumb” gun that killed the officer.

    1. avatar M J Johnson says:

      The irony of that will be palpable.

  16. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    Happy for the NYPD.

    I’m still not buying one.

  17. avatar Brentondadams says:

    The reason why the gun manufacturers have chosen not to adopt [smart guns] is because they’re not trying to simply do the right thing. They trade in the currency of blood money. They are merchants of death. And the only way to combat it is with forceful economic power,” Jeffries (D-Brooklyn) said.

  18. avatar Don says:

    I think they should fix the triggers first.

    1. avatar styrgwillidar says:

      Exactly- first you require they use a 12 lb DAO trigger; then you make it a smart gun which may not work. Great.

  19. avatar Bob says:

    Heh. They could sync the guns to their phones, so when it leaves the holster it tweets direct to #Something-something. Like a police scanner for the Internet of things world.

  20. avatar Mk10108 says:

    Inside a democrats mind and the failure to comprehend economics 101.

    “The reason why the gun manufacturers have chosen not to adopt [smart guns] is because they’re not trying to simply do the right thing. They trade in the currency of blood money. They are merchants of death. And the only way to combat it is with forceful economic power,” Jeffries (D-Brooklyn) said.”

    And this gem.

    “Backers say that if the city tells gun manufacturers they’ll buy from whoever produces the technology, the industry will fall in line.”

    Just like that. A government entity snaps fingers…Science, engineering some electrons and all is well.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      “The reason why the gun manufacturers have chosen not to adopt [smart guns] is because they’re not trying to simply do the right thing.”

      Socialism: Nobody does anything unless the government has decided it is desirable and mandates it.

      Capitalism: MANUFACTURERS discover that they have a product that the public wants to buy so they perfect it and manufacturer it at a price the public is willing to pay that still allows the MANUFACTURER to make a reasonable profit.

      Do these idiot Lib/Progs really think that companies would not produce a profitable smart gun just because they, as business entities, do not want to “do the right thing”?

  21. avatar Jim says:

    I guess they don’t think the NY2 trigger is enough of a handicap.

  22. avatar Another Robert says:

    I love it when liberal moonbats put other liberal moonbats in a box…I wish those two “top pols” every success in their hare-brained endeavor. Pressure that mayor! You go, guys!

  23. avatar wrightl3 says:

    Let’s just see how it works for them.

  24. avatar Joe R. says:

    Bloomberg kick-back in 3, 2, 1 . . .

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer city.

    Piano Cat, a little of Billy Joel’s Miami 2017 please

  25. avatar Bdk NH says:

    LOL. I don’t think the rank and file will accept that Mr. Mayor particularly with your obvious dislike for Bloomberg’s personal army, aka the NYPD. Show some leadership and start with your own personal security detail.

    Common sense to me.

  26. avatar MurrDog says:

    They should just start making all guns have a Rubik’s cube you have to solve everytime you want to pull the trigger. . That’s a true smart gun.

  27. avatar Stinkeye says:

    Maybe this is De Blasio getting revenge on the cops who turned their backs on him at that funeral last year. Bet those guys will be in the pilot program…

  28. avatar The Trouble with Timbo says:

    I thought the only smart gun in production is chambered in .22LR? Bystanders will be much safer now.

    Question? How many rounds will it take for NYPD to kill a dog now?

  29. avatar The Trouble with Timbo says:

    Did anyone notice the picture in the article with the caption “A supporter holds up a sign advertising the benefits of smart guns.” it is a GLOCK brand GLOCK sign and doesn’t appear to have anything to do with smart guns. It also looks photo-shopped. And very poorly photo-shopped.

    1. avatar BDub says:

      I’m still cleaning my keyboard after reading the caption to that picture.

    2. avatar TravisP says:

      and it says Gen 2, advertising from a 2014 Arms show.

  30. avatar Rokurota says:

    No no. Look at the picture. Smart GUM, not gun.

  31. avatar BDub says:

    Didn’t anyone ever tell them, you never go full retard. Never!

  32. avatar adverse says:

    Better to let those that really depend on a firearm everyday test out “smart” arms, if that is really what they want. How hard might it be to “unsmart” the firearm? Lab and range work may be satisfactory, but, the everyday world could be a killer. Technology, like firearms, can be used for good or bad. Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong, at the worse time. The best safety is the one carrying the firearm, we know how well that works among those that could care less about “safe”. Assuming smart firearms turn out to be the best things since duct tape and WD-40, there will have to be new firearm control laws, or “update” the old ones as socialist city states, or the federal government, sees fit. The “common sense” approach might be, lock up the firearm in one safe, and the transmitter (if that is what is used) in another safe. Neither safe will open until 10 minutes after 911 is called, and verified by text code sent to your cell phone, which you would then use to open the safes. Want to carry firearm with you? Best get portable safes.

  33. avatar Katy says:

    As often as body cams “miraculously” fail, I look forward to the test results.

    Actually, if they could tie the functionality of their guns to the cameras….

  34. avatar d.rap says:

    I hope that does not apply to backup guns.

    1. avatar Julio says:

      I’m sure they’ll still maintain a “drop” gun that’s off the books.

  35. avatar PeterW says:

    Yes, so the LEOs in NYC stop shooting each other…

    NEW YORK — Police say a New York City officer who was shot in the ankle while responding to a large street fight in the Bronx was wounded by friendly fire.

    Officer Sherrod Stuart was hospitalized following the Saturday morning brawl that involved guns, bats and knives.

    Police say another officer shot Stuart while exchanging gunfire with Christopher Rice, who was struck four times and hospitalized in serious condition.

  36. avatar rick3 says:

    Found this in the original article:
    “But the guns aren’t widely available in the United States.”

    Which implies that smart guns ARE widely available in other countries…can anyone tell me which other countries smart guns are widely available? …Or is the answer “none”?

    1. avatar Angryaz says:

      They are everywhere in obamastan… it’s where promises and dreams go to die

  37. avatar Kyle says:

    Nice announcement, no watch carefully as after a few years of “research”, this quietly goes away.

    NO police dept will go for this.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “NO police dept will go for this.”

      The New Orleans PD wants those guns?

      I figured ‘Nawlins cops would have been smarter than that…

      🙂

  38. avatar roadrunner says:

    I think you are missing the point. They won’t make the police carry them. They want to use their leverage to make the manufacturers develop them.

    They will buy a few, which will not be used. Then they will mandate them Jersey style for us peasants (leo carveout).

    1. avatar Nate H. says:

      THIS!!!!!

      X1000000!!!!

  39. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    DO it! Maybe they’ll just shoot big fat guys for selling “loosies”-instead of choking ’em to death…

  40. avatar Pascal says:

    Like a mob standing below watching the man deciding if he should jump off of a building, we should all be yelling “do it, do it, do it” As soon as the first cop is harmed due to malfunction of a smart gun, that will be the end of this non-sense once and for all and the crazies in NYC are just the ones to PD in harms way for the cause of political correctness.

  41. avatar Daniel says:

    Smart guns will do nothing to stem the tide of stolen guns making their way into the black market and used in crime. I don’t think it would take much to neutralize the “smart” system and make it useful to anyone. Bypass the electronic and it jsut becomes a regular old mechanica ldevice. If man can make it, man can break it.

  42. avatar Kyle says:

    I don’t care if so-called smart guns become commonly used by law enforcement or not, do not make them mandatory for everyone else.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “…do not make them mandatory for everyone else.”

      Strongly impress on your lawmakers to make sure that doesn’t happen…

  43. avatar Hannibal says:

    The NYPD uses a list of authorized guns from which officers can choose.

    It’s possible that, at some point, a ‘smart gun’ might end up on that list (.22s need not apply).

    That doesn’t mean anyone will actually carry one, though.

  44. avatar 36IDRedleg says:

    Haven’t read the previous posts. I am standing by for the report of the first officer fatality when his sidearm fails or is too slow to respond.

  45. avatar boardsnbikes says:

    I suspect they may equip the thousands of badged NYPD desk jockeys with a “smart” gun and after a period claim success that not a single citizen or officer was harmed because of a malfunctioning “smart” gun. The fact that front-line, elite cops that are more likely in the line of fire did not use them will be conveniently ignored by the MSM.

  46. avatar Ralph says:

    I think that this is great news. I fully support using New York’s Finest as guinea pigs to test this technology. Pun intended.

  47. avatar fishydude says:

    I have a very simple way to test the veracity of the claim that higher trigger pull = less accuracy.
    My FNX45 is DA/SA. I can say that without a doubt I am more accurate firing from SA than DA. Somewhere in the specs is the precise difference in pull.
    I’m glad we left MA. That state mandates a 10# minimum trigger pull. Most buyers then take the pistols to a New Hampshire gun smith to get a normal 4 to 6# trigger.

  48. avatar Roscoe says:

    “’The mayor has been non-responsive on the issue, and when we met with Commissioner Bratton, he said it will never work. But the President thinks it will work,’ he said.”

    Yeah, because Obama and all his do something, do gooder progressive leftist anti-gun extremists friends know all there is to know about the subject of guns, self-defense, and real life experience vis-a-vis self-defense gun use in either the police world or the personal protection non-police self-defense environment. They’re actually all a bunch of freaking lame brain ‘know it all’ nincompoops with no skin in the game.

    None of these antis give a wit if an officer or armed law abiding citizen ends up injured or whacked because their functionally sensitive, extra defeat-able firearm doesn’t work because some additional super-duper electronically based safety feature that could, or may function properly ‘this time’, doesn’t when it is truly needed.

    Perspiration, dirt, heat, cold, rain, snow, impact, and I’m sure other factors are all enemies of this wanna-be ”safety” technology. But hey, as long as the gun is prevented from firing if all their fanciful restrictive parameters are not met…that’s all that matters to these morons!

    These elitist know-nothings find everyone else’s life to be cheap fodder for their utopian experiments, and they won’t take NO for an answer even when people having real life experience challenge the antis’ lack of logic when it is incongruous with their “feelings” of how things should be.

  49. avatar aron says:

    buy my SIG SAUER 1911 MAX at just $850 . very good condition . just text 909-300-5041 for detils?

  50. avatar dave s says:

    Gonna have supervisory consent switch before it fires?

  51. avatar Lucas D. says:

    “First,” my ass. I’ll not be following suit no matter how many fools jump on the smart gun bandwagon.

  52. avatar Chris says:

    Personally, I hope they do go forward with this technology. That will make my guns worth a FORTUNE! I will make out better than I did with those cheap AR’s that I tripled my money with when obummer got elected!

    1. avatar Former Water Walker says:

      A fortune huh? With 350 million guns? Good luck-unless we get a Katrina confiscation(good luck with that .gov).

      1. avatar Chris says:

        When obummer got elected there were a lot or ar15’s out there, but I managed to get around triple what I paid for them because people really thought the gubment could outlaw them. I only kept my favorite one, because I didn’t know how long the madness would last, and I wish now that I would have sold it too. Not much later people came to their senses, realized black rifles weren’t going anywhere and prices are now lower than ever. I made a bunch of money on 9mm handguns and 9mm ammo and 223. Just look at the 22 ammo shortage, I know its a little better but some people still can’t find it years later. So yeah, I really think that if the anti-gun politicians start screaming for mandatory smart guns, people who don’t know any better will freak and I’ll make a lot of money before people realize it’ll never pass.

  53. avatar Fred Frendly says:

    Now they will only accidentally kill smart people when they spray the street with lead.

  54. avatar WedelJ says:

    Totally fine with this. Let the world’s largest police force (and, what, fourth or fifth largest standing army?) really run the kinks out of this tech. Or prove it non-viable. Either way, we will be better off. Unless we are forced to ditch or dumb guns for smart ones (extremely doubtful).

  55. avatar Ken says:

    If they ever make a smart gun that works, I think there are people that can unsmart it very quickly and make a dumb gun that will fool the government dummies.

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