Armed Drug Traffickers May Have Returned Fire in Paris Terrorist Attacks

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The common refrain from gun loving people here in the United States following the terrorist attacks in Paris is that more good guys with guns on the scene would have saved lives. After all, if we can save just one life with concealed carry it will be worth it, right? There are some news reports circulating from foreign media sites which indicate that a couple people in that Paris restaurant were indeed armed and did in fact return fire, killing the terrorists and saving lives. There’s just one problem: they were reportedly drug traffickers.

The website hechoinformativo.com (translated via Google) reports a second hand story about the incident from Europe 1:

According to French media in a typical restaurant in the town, which at the time was crowded shortly after 2130 hours two armed assailants they entered and began firing.

But according to journalist Armand Stroke of the Europe Radio 1 radio station, who was in this restaurant, when the attack rose 3 people at a table, drew their weapons and brutally killed the two attackers.

Immediately several elements of the French police could arrest these heroes who managed a possible slaughter by killing two members of the terrorist group ISIS.

French police reported these two unsung heroes are from Columbia and were identified as cartel operators in northern Columbia.

TTAG was unable to independently verify the authenticity of the story, but there are a bunch of news sources in foreign languages running the exact same story.

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  1. avatar Bud says:

    3130 hours? Does France have some kind of weird metric time?

    1. avatar dh34 says:

      It’s the new EU approved Centiminute

      1. avatar Sian says:

        Is this a Timecube thing?
        http://timecube.com/

      2. avatar DaveR says:

        Oh, just behave

    2. avatar Rokurota says:

      They did experiment with it during the French Revolution. Quelle disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time

      1. avatar Vitsaus says:

        Tough to find something in the French Revolution that wasn’t a disaster.

        1. avatar Marc says:

          3130 hours? Holy shit, it’s way past my bedtime.

          “….these heroes, who managed a possible slaughter by killing two members of ISIS.” Maybe avoided? Must…translate….more……better.

        2. avatar Billy says:

          Guillotines worked well. We could use some in DC…

        3. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          Wasn’t the French Revolution the one war that France won?

        4. avatar Naz says:

          I’m pretty sure they lost that one too.

    3. avatar Don says:

      I wish it were true but the video from inside doesn’t really follow with this story.
      Didn’t those guys end it by blowing themselves up with their belts?

      1. avatar Petr says:

        What video? I didn’t see any video in the article.

    4. avatar Christian says:

      It’s a Google translation. Get over it.

    5. avatar Matt in FL says:

      2130. Text amended.

    6. avatar Mark says:

      The article now says 2130 hours = 9:30 PM.

    7. avatar Helen says:

      Not 31 30 , it’s 21 30 —9 30 pm.

  2. avatar Joe-in-NC says:

    Only if the news outlets report the cartel decapitated the ISIS operators will I believe it.

  3. avatar Matt in Pa says:

    Give em a pass. Back to Columbia on a flight.

    1. avatar ready,fire,aim says:

      1st class and a thank you from the government…

    2. avatar Anon in CT says:

      Yup – if this is true, they earned a dual “get out of jail” and “get out of France” ticket.

      Still, think what could have been accomplished if there had been actual armed good guys present?

      1. avatar JimmyDelta says:

        You must have missed Gavin Newsome’s assertion that having armed good guys accidentally shoot *some* people is far worse than letting terrorists kill everyone.

    3. avatar Cliff H says:

      The right to bear arms in self defense is a natural right, even if you are a scumbag drug trafficker. A bad guy with a gun who uses it for a good cause, rather than to promote his criminal agenda, is for that moment a good guy with a gun.

      If they are/were known criminals then why were they at large and enjoying a meal at a public restaurant? You don’t have to like them now any more than you did before the shootings, but to punish them for this when you had no reason to punish them before, apparently, is ludicrous.

      1. avatar Accur81 says:

        Here’s the thing: we need to investigate if we *do* have reason to arrest them. They may very well have been on sabbatical for a few murders in the drug cartel service. I wouldn’t excuse unforeseen crimes entirely without at least first knowing what they were.

    4. avatar Mr GV says:

      ColOmbia in with “O” not with “U”!

  4. avatar dh34 says:

    So the question is…did the cartel guys recognize the ISIS-tards for who they were and simply take action to prevent loss of life including their own, or did they think the Bulgarians, Albanians or other competing cartel was coming for them specifically?

    1. avatar IllinoisShooter says:

      Doesnt really matter does it. Yes, they may be “bad guys” but ignoring that, they are people that are armed and obviously have a high situational awareness due to being in the business they are in (unlike most sheeple who walk around clueless).

      They see a threat and respond. Regardless of if they knew WHO the threat was specifically from (another cartel, a hit squad from their own, or terrorists) they knew there was a deadly threat, and when the bullets start coming, it doesnt matter the motivation does it? After the fact it matters. but during? it doesnt matter one little bit. Only newsies will down play it.

      1. avatar dh34 says:

        To me it doesn’t matter. A dead tango is one more clogging up the line to get in to see Allah. Not sure what number they’re serving today…

        To the anti’s it appears that only bad guys carry guns…and even when they save innocents by design or as a by product of their own self defense, it’s still a bad guy. Remember in a Feinstein/Schumer/Bloomberg world, it’s better to just be dead waiting on a badged guy with a gun to come, than to cloud the narrative…

      2. avatar Marc says:

        “High situational awareness”? When rifle rounds are coming through the restaurant window, only Ted Williams’ frozen head doesn’t know what’s going on.

        1. avatar Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx says:

          Uh, negative on that, Chief. Most people are frozen, trying to figure out ‘what’s that? did a waiter drop a glass? Firecrackers?…’ The last thing that finally jumps into their head is hostile gunfire because that just seems completely surreal to them in the moment. Unless you have experience hearing gunfire, or you’ve one way or another trained yourself to respond to it, you’ll freeze. In moments of stress you act as you train- it’s all response and reaction- no deep thoughts or heavy processing in the frontal cortex, it’s all down to the lower brain and motor response tracks.

  5. avatar Chip Bennett says:

    So, the terrorists managed to work around France’s gun control laws. The violent criminals managed to work around France’s gun control laws.

    The only ones disarmed – and slaughtered en masse – were the law-abiding citizens.

    1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

      In other words, exactly what we have been saying for years.

    2. avatar Galtha58 says:

      @Chip Bennett: And, even though they are the bad guys, they were able to stop a terrorist attack because they were armed. Two points that are made on here often.
      1. Bad guys still get guns regardless of the laws 2. Armed people can slow down or stop an attack if they have the tools to do so.

      1. avatar Chris T from KY says:

        Never forget the research of the great John Lott comes from cases involving criminals using guns to defend themselves against other criminals. And most of the time the trigger Is never pulled.

  6. avatar achmed says:

    I’ll take drug traffickers over Jihadis any day. Good shoot if true.

  7. avatar pres stone says:

    fucking priceless. the only people who had the power to respond where the ones that don’t respect the laws thereby enabling them to SAVE LIVES!!!!!!!!!

  8. avatar Jordan says:

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  9. avatar Shire-man says:

    I’m beginning to see a pattern. Seems like to be secure in my person and property I’ll have to join a cartel. I’ll get more respect from governments than I do now. Make more money than I do now. Have more rights than I do now.
    Only a complete sucker would remain a respectable, law-abiding citizen these days. Hell, the politicians aren’t even respectable, law-abiding or citizens.

    1. avatar jwtaylor says:

      Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. avatar schernobyl says:

      #cartellivesmatter

    3. avatar Jim Bullock says:

      “You can’t hire them. They’re making too much money.”

      After a brief out on data security and similar that included the stories of several major uses of purloined data, most of the Q&A was technical questions. I asked the presenter (FBI, from a joint task force): “How do I hire these guys?”

      He was a little nonplussed, so I explained:

      “Not to do anything nefarious, but the story you told: saw an opportunity, marshaled resources to go for it, experimented and iterated, orchestrated operations, identified problems & found work-arounds, identified and invented supporting tech to allow the big get to be used, and more. Tech savvy, outstanding project management, program / risk management as good as I have ever seen, and as you said, they got away with it, which counts as “made it work.””

      “I can’t find people who can do half of that. So, how can I hire these guys.”

      He replied: “You can’t. They’re making too much money.”

      I may be confused, but that strikes me as food for thought.

    4. avatar Ron says:

      Many people think it is better to just carry illegally than it is to get a permit to carry and be known by the official class

    5. avatar The Old Coach says:

      That’s arguably how the Europeans converted to feudalism after the Mediterranean collapse brought on by the destruction of trade and communications by Islam.

  10. avatar Middleagedmama says:

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And, it should be noted that apparently there aren’t ISIS cells in Sicily and the New York mafia said that there won’t be ISIS problems in Sicilian neighborhoods.

    1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      Ironic since both groups gain power by using fear and intimidation.

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        They are simply businessmen seeking to preserve their monopoly.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      Although I understand its propaganda value, I really dislike that phrase since it is not entirely accurate. It would be better to say: “The enemy of my enemy is not currently my enemy.”

      Alliances are formed for expediency, not lasting courtships. Politics makes for strange bedfellows, it does not guarantee a long and happy marriage.

      1. avatar JR_in_NC says:

        {musing mode}

        Could this be taken as a good reason to move toward a more Isolationist position?

        There seems to be some merit in reversing the trend of trying to make friends/figure out who IS our friend. Just keep to ourselves (as a nation) and take care of ourselves. Isn’t this “Take care of home” the basis of many POTG’s personal defense strategy?

        An “isolationist” foreign policy does not have to suffocate global trade, either. It’s just…”Here’s the deal we need to trade with you…accept it or don’t” and stop with all the wheeling and dealing and forgetting who was promised what….etc.

        In other words, to a degree…they are all enemies, until a LONG period of trust building goes by.

        {/musing mode}

    3. avatar Joat says:

      29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.

    4. avatar Stuki Moi says:

      ..” And, it should be noted that apparently there aren’t ISIS cells in Sicily ..”

      Central Asians and Albanians have virtually shut the Mafia out of the lucrative European opiate trade, though…. Used to be Myanmar to who knows where to Sicily and onwards. Now it’s Afghanistan to Albania and so forth….

      The mob in New York have been shut out of the most lucrative games for a long time, as well. By Jamaicans and others. Spoils tend to go to those with the most 12-17 year old crazies to spare. Even the poor Mexican meanos, simply by virtue of having something, anything, however little, to lose; are having a rough time with Salvadorean teenagers with absolutely nothing, jumping a few southern borders to get to their version of the wealthy promised land to the north….

  11. avatar Chris T from KY says:

    It would not surprise me if it turned out to be true. Most Americans don’t know about how the Mafia helped the military in world War two. Killing German American spies on request by the FBI, that worked the big city coastal shipping ports.
    Or their help in the invasion of Sicily that helped reduce the number of casualties of American soldiers.

    1. avatar dh34 says:

      The traditional European cartels and mafia have historically tried to keep their business out of public view, the Sicilian vendettas in the early 20th Century were not the norm. The influx of Eastern European and African cartels in the 90’s briefly saw an uptick in violence, but for the most part publicity is bad for everyone’s business. If the public or tourists get nervous, nobody wins.

  12. avatar Jason says:

    If this is true then western governments will do everything they can to influence the media and not report on it. Can’t have citizens under the delusional idea that they might be able to provide for their own security against assassins.

  13. avatar Rob C says:

    Let’s get this straight: Anonymous does our hacking, Russia does our bombing, and the Cartels do our policing. Either Obama is a master at outsourcing or we truly are living in BizzaroJerry World. America has lost its rightful place as leader of the (free) world. Sad days indeed.

    1. avatar Chrispy says:

      See, this is why America is going to Hell, we can’t keep any jobs in this country at all!

    2. avatar Stuki Moi says:

      But, America does the talking….

  14. avatar Pantera Vazquez says:

    Heroism by gangsters?,
    Touchy situation.

    Can’t validate criminals,
    Nor civilian firearms.

    Troops and badges.

  15. avatar JAlan says:

    Oh, this is gold. Kudos to those Colombians if true. They may be criminals, but criminals are better than ISIS any day.

    1. avatar B says:

      “Crime was always with us, he reasoned, and therefore, if you were going to have crime, it at least should be organized crime.. ” – Lord Vetinari

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        Organized crime mostly kills willing participants, and its “clients” (johns, degenerate gamblers, junkies, etc.). It’s disorganized crime that tends to kill random folks (street crime, muggings, knockout game, etc,).

        Most governments are willing to tolerate properly organized crime as long as the criminals have the good taste not to embarrass the politicians.

        1. avatar Five says:

          That’s pretty much the Japanese Yakuza model. But don’t be fooled, the mafia will extort anyone it can.

        2. avatar Divemedic says:

          Considering the recent reports that police are taking more money from the public through asset forfeiture than is being stolen in burglaries, then add in the cost of police pay and pensions, as well as the amount taken in the form of speeding tickets, and you see where the largest organized crime syndicate is…

      2. avatar 2brknot2b says:

        This is why government tries to take down criminal rackets. They are competition for government criminality. When both work in concert, they feel no need to alter the deal, When one tries to outdo the other, that’s when strife occurs. There would be little in the way of mafia if government did not create laws, creating ooutlaws who profit from black market operations. One thing for sure government overreach can make for lucrative criminal networks. Prohibition, and now anti-drug laws, proved that.

        1. avatar Stuki Moi says:

          + A million.

          Good guys vastly outnumber bad guys everywhere (DC might be the exception.) Were it not for the government running interference for bad guys, they would be summarily disposed of in an instant.

  16. avatar jwtaylor says:

    What I love about this is that is reverses the CSGV narrative. Sometimes even a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Or at least a guy with a gun doing good things.

  17. avatar Don says:

    When you need to stop a bad guy with a gun, you need a badder guy with a gun…. Works for me!

  18. avatar Another Robert says:

    Well, who else is going to be carrying guns in Paris?

    1. avatar Five says:

      That’s the real take away lesson. The terrorists seemed to have to problem circumventing the hyper string French gun control laws. And there are apparently enough criminals in France that also had no trouble circumventing the super-duper string French gun control that the two armed groups collided in some random cafe. Either those are some long odds or there are a lot of armed criminals in Paris,…. I’ll wager on the latter.

      Thus the take away lesson. When you ban guns, only the law abiding are disarmed. The criminals and terrorists are still armed and now the law abiding are defenseless.

  19. avatar tdiinva (Now in Wisconsin) says:

    Could be what is known as circular reporting. There is only one real source but a chain of sources simply repeats the story. You need to trace the sourcing.

    It was quite common during the Cold War for the Soviets to plant a story in a foreign newspaper then let third parties spread the story and only then quote the the “Western Sources” in TASS, Pravda and Ivestiya.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      xkcd refers to “circular reporting” as citogenesis (lit: creation of citations).

      https://xkcd.com/978/

  20. avatar Bobiojimbo says:

    I remember seeing an article on reddit’s /r/notheonion where a mobster said they could protect people better than the feds. In the case of France, it certainly appears true.

  21. avatar jwm says:

    The lesser of 2 evils. In action.

  22. avatar Hannibal says:

    Hilarious IF TRUE.

    Reminds me of the old line in Casablanca… “There are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn’t advise you to try to invade.”

  23. avatar CJ Minnesota says:

    Most certainly a hoax, with such little detail, and Europe Radio 1 being cited as the source, nothing seems to be panning out to validate the sources.

    Would have been nice had it been true however!

  24. avatar Sexual Tyrannosaurus says:

    Looks like the cartel bad guys are better than the government bad guys. 🙂

  25. avatar Dan P. says:

    When guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns

  26. avatar Out_Fang_Thief says:

    Bad guys with guns, stop worse bad guys with guns? Awkward.
    Think there are any medal ceremonies in their future?

    1. avatar The Old Coach says:

      And perhaps this post /\/\ is an example of tdiinva’s comment just a few posts earlier:

      “It was quite common during the Cold War for the Soviets to plant a story in a foreign newspaper then let third parties spread the story and only then quote the the “Western Sources” in TASS, Pravda and Ivestiya.”

      Gotta tamp this story down before it gets out of hand.

  27. avatar Southerner says:

    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will be able to stop terrorists!

    1. avatar Sexual Tyrannosaurus says:

      FTFY: when guns are outlawed, no one will stop the government terrorists.

  28. avatar socceredad says:

    Not buying it. Excellent if, true, of course, but color me skeptical. There were survivor interviews pretty quickly and someone would have said something about that happening before the ‘censors’ could kick in.

  29. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    Sooooooo…Columbian narco terrorist/violent drug dealers take out moose-lim terrorists who finance jihad with drug dealing and are high to get “allah style” courage? Yep- bizzaro/enemy of my enemy fruitloop world. I’m not a fan of either but I’m pretty comfortable around the spanglish. And both groups are invading southern Cook Co,IL. Cartel murders a few blocks away-tons of syrian arabic speaking “immigrants”…

    1. avatar Mr GV says:

      And another one. It is ColOmbia in with “O” not with “U”!

  30. avatar iowaclass says:

    Too good to be true. But it will be included in the Tarantino movie.

  31. avatar Anonymoose says:

    Better a drug trafficker than a snackbar, and at least these guys didn’t flay any bystanders while they were there, unlike the Mexican cartel guys.

  32. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    My standard riff on gun prohibition – the one the anti’s haven’t heard before – goes:

    “So, how much do you want to enrich the cartels? Also why?”

    Start with prohibition doesn’t work real well. You’d think we’d get that after a few millennia of trying.
    BUT weapons prohibition creates a complementary business to drugs with operating synergies beyond the wildest fantasies of besuited MBAs the world over. Seriously, it’s a textbook synergistic business: huge overlap of market, operations, & sourcing; huge reinforcement in the same markets, operations & sourcing. The products even have similar characteristics: non-perishable, small, inert, robust, moderate technical sophistication to product, transport, distribute and use, difficult to detect, etc.

    “You got to carry weapons, because you always carry cash.”

  33. avatar Friedrich says:

    What’s the official story on who stopped the pub shooters? I’ve looked a bit and can’t find if the cops stopped them.

    1. avatar tdiinva (Now in Wisconsin) says:

      And the circle is closed.

  34. avatar 2Asux says:

    How absolutely delicious.

  35. avatar Mr Lizard says:

    “But according to journalist Armand Stroke”

    Great Pornstar name

  36. avatar TGR says:

    $100 bucks says the Colombian’s guns trace back to King Putts Fast and Furious.

    1. avatar TGR says:

      Day late and a dollar short.

  37. avatar Juanito ''Johnnie'' Ibañez says:

    [Complete story translation]

    3 Colombian narcos stop a terrorist attack and saved dozens of people

    Little by little they know more details of the different terrorist attacks that occurred on Friday in Paris, capital of France, which left at least 130 people dead.

    The most serious attack took place at the Bataclan theater, because a concert that brought together more than 1500 people. However, several attacks occurred in the 10th district of the city.

    According to French media in a typical restaurant in the town, which at that time was crowded shortly after 2130 hours two armed assailants they entered and began firing.

    But according to journalist Armand Stroke of the Europe 1 radio station, who was in this restaurant, when the attack rose 3 people at a table, drew their weapons and brutally killed the two attackers.

    Immediately several elements of the French police could arrest these heroes who managed a possible slaughter by killing two members of the terrorist group ISIS.

    French police and reported that these unsung heroes are from Colombia and were identified as cartel operators in northern Colombia. So far their legal status is not known, but is expected to be extradited to his home country to be properly judged.

    The identity of these people has been kept under anonymity for security reasons, said the Paris police department.

  38. avatar Martin says:

    It’s Colombia, not Columbia, don’t be stupid and ignorant.

    1. avatar Mr GV says:

      Al last one noticing and correcting! Thank you.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        “Al last one noticing and correcting! Thank you.”

        Ahem. Don’t you mean At last…?

        Martin… stupid and ignorant? Really? Gotta be an ass about a simple error?

  39. avatar Mr GV says:

    Dear The Truth About Guns team,

    I am a loyal reader and follower but today I am really disappointed after noticing that you decided to share with your audience, a gramatical error as noticeable as the one in this article. There is not such a country called Columbia. The country is called COLOMBIA, with an “O”.
    What worries me in not only the horrendous grammatical mistake but that you just copied and pasted the information as you found it, without doing any other research, which will lead you to realise, learn and understand that the word translated by google (as you commented), was wrongly translated.

    I hope you pay a little more attention in the future.

    Thank you.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Horrendous? Really? You don’t think you’re being horrendously overdramatic?

      The error has been corrected.

    2. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Dear The Truth About Guns team,

      I am a loyal reader and follower insert comma here but today I am really disappointed after noticing that you decided to share with your audience, no comma necessary here a gramatical grammatical error as noticeable as the one in this article. There is not such a country called Columbia. The country is called COLOMBIA, with an “O”.
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      is not only the horrendous grammatical mistake comma but that you just copied and pasted the information as you found it, without doing any other research, del comma which will would lead you to realise, learn and understand that the word translated by google Google (as you commented), del comma was wrongly translated.

      I hope you pay a little more attention in the future.

      Thank you.

      ———

      Dear The Truth About Guns team,

      I am a loyal reader and follower, but today I am really disappointed after noticing that you decided to share with your audience a grammatical error as noticeable as the one in this article. There is not such a country called Columbia. The country is called COLOMBIA, with an “O”.

      What worries me is not only the horrendous grammatical mistake, but that you just copied and pasted the information as you found it, without doing any other research which would lead you to realise, learn and understand that the word translated by Google (as you commented) was wrongly translated.

      I hope you pay a little more attention in the future.
      Thank you.

      Glass houses, etc…

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