What Could Possibly Go Wrong: A Salt Weapon Edition

“Salt Supply Co. has designed a paintball-style gun that shoots pellets filled with pepper spray that rupture on impact,” fox2now.com reports. “The Salt gun is designed to be a safe alternative to traditional firearms so that nobody gets killed, including children who might discover the gun and think it’s a toy, or a family member that’s mistaken for a burglar . . . The $300 handgun is powered by CO2 cartridges and holds seven .70-caliber slugs. They contain ghost pepper extract encased in a ball that breaks on impact like an egg. [The inventor] said it causes the lungs to constrict, as they would during an asthma attack.” What could possibly go wrong?

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  1. avatar Chrispy says:

    False advertising. If the lungs constrict like they do in an asthma attack then the odds of this being non-lethal are literally zero.

    1. avatar Ben says:

      It sounds like a great way to get killed by the guy that actually has a gun.

      Besides I doubt that it can keep a pierced co2 for any length of time without it leaking. I have yet to see any other airgun do that.

      1. avatar Enuz says:

        There are a lot of failings of a pepperball gun as a defense weapon. A CO2 capsule seal shouldn’t be one, considering that a 35 dollar airsoft pistol from walmart will hold a charge for a minimum of 3 months.

        1. avatar ed says:

          From what I read on the website, “We have a proprietary permit on our CO2 cartidges which allows the CO2 cartride to stay sealed, and in the gun, until it is needed. Upon the first pull of the trigger of our Salt Gun, the CO2 cartiride will be penetrated , and the second pull will then release a round.”

      2. avatar Mike says:

        The CO2 cartridge doesn’t puncture until the trigger is pulled. So it will stay sealed until you need it. I wouldn’t just leave a punctured cartridge in it hoping it has some left when I need it.

      3. avatar John says:

        co2 is only pierced on the first shot, i’ve seen cartridges from the 60’s still in perfect working condition, some even pierced and in the airgun. (few last pierced as seals harden over the many years)

  2. avatar Vhyrus says:

    Guy has gun, you have extra strength Tabasco….

    Seems legit /sarc

    1. avatar Vhyrus says:

      Btw, they didn’t even invent that gun. Its a rebranded tippmann tipx paintball pistol.

      1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

        shhh! just cause the emperor has no cloths is no reason to point and laugh!

        1. avatar Mike in OK says:

          It was bad enough when he had no clothes, now he doesn’t even have a cloth. 🙂 Which he’s going to need to wipe the pepper out of his eyes after he’s murdered the wielder of the SALT, and before he can go on to effectively loot their home.

      2. avatar Fred says:

        I’m not sure you are correct. While you can fire pepper ammo through the TiPX, Tippmann claims that the PG7 is considerably more powerful, providing the higher velocity required to break the much harder pepper rounds. Salt Supply says the same about their gun.

  3. avatar Another Robert says:

    Free enterprise again–trying to fill a [rightly or wrongly] perceived market of half-way gun muggles. I think they are aiming at a non-existent market myself, aside from the fact that the whole thing sounds like a gaggle of lawsuits (“they said it was safe!”) just waiting to happen.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      Granny Clampett gave them the idea. barak obumer approved the PC video.

    2. avatar Matt says:

      You see how PC the video was, I think they know exactly what market they are targeting. This is for Prius owners. People that want a car, or in this case a gun, but don’t want their lefty friends judging them. Like the Prius, Wether or not this gun delivers on its promises is secondary to the promise being made. These are people who don’t have any idea how anything works, but as long as it is called safe, they maintain moral superiority. For some that is all that matters. I would pump and dump their stock (not their product). This could really sell in CA and NJ.

      1. avatar Bruce Bogle says:

        In NJ you you would need to get a FPID and a pistol permit to have one and if you used it you would most certainly be in violation of NJ’s numerous no discharge laws as it would be considered a firearm just like a daisy red rider.

        You would not be able to carry it without the unicorn that is a NJ carry permit.

        1. avatar Harry says:

          Don’t forget that Jersey will not view the Salt at a mace aerosol spray canister(in the teeny tiny authorized amount for civilian carry). They will view it as a less lethal weapon(firearm); AKA Taser, less lethal munition, ect, meaning that you can’t deploy it unless deadly force is authorized, anyway. So, you use your less lethal that you had to go through the same background check and permit to own, while your attacker uses the illegal lethal force against you.

      2. avatar Jeff Hunt says:

        Stupid stereotypes, again! I’ve owned 2 Prius. Guess what? I carry a real gun every day. Guess you’re wrong. Oh yeah, I’m liberal and have more than occasionally voted for Democrats.

      3. avatar iain says:

        I think the market is for people who want to be able to defend themselves without killing someone.

  4. avatar Scott says:

    I like things like this for those threats that ought not to be dealt with by lethal force. You know, like those kids that teepee people’s houses. However, it ought not to be used for serious life/death defense scenarios.

    1. avatar younggun21 says:

      Im still pretty sure any lawyer worth his salt (pun intended) would have a field day if you shot someone putting toilet paper on your house. They would say that you were in no great bodily harm and launching a projectile, no matter what your intent was, is lacking moral judgment. They would say you could have done any number of things to get them off your property. This has absolutely no purpose.

  5. avatar GuyFromV says:

    What about paintballs with sodium BBs suspended inside a shell of oil?

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Well, that application sure would make it easy for police to capture the suspect … all they would have to do is follow the smoke and the screaming.

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      Sodium is too mild. You need to go a couple rows down the table. Try Cesium.

  6. avatar neiowa says:

    Did you find that at “The Onion”? Couldn’t possibly be for real. Totally moronic.

    If I’m “shooting” someone it is going to be because then need killin.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “Did you find that at “The Onion”? Couldn’t possibly be for real. Totally moronic.”

      You do remember that stupid strobe light, siren and pepper-spray gun-kinda-like thing about a year or so back, don’t you?

  7. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    “The Salt gun is designed to be a safe alternative to traditional firearms so that nobody gets killed …”

    … except for the person who mistakenly thought it would actually stop a violent attacker.

  8. avatar Chris says:

    Two dooods wearing skinny jeans gonna sell me a gun? Yeah, no. “the violent bang” what the fnck ever, boys.

    1. avatar Dustin says:

      Hyperbole and the desperate need to convince…

      1. avatar Chris says:

        convince of what? that they’re product is useless and their marketing of said useless product sucks?

  9. avatar Reef Blastbody says:

    Soooooooo, a wannabe pistol version of the FN 303? Why not use paintballs with the shuttlecock style skirt around the bottom so they have something resembling accuracy past 15 feet?

    http://www.fnherstal.com/primary-menu/products-capabilities/less-lethal/general/product/255/254/255/3/_/fn-303R-1.html

    1. avatar Reef Blastbody says:

      Also, I can attest that the FN 303 is fun little thing. Border Patrol had one that they let people shoot at a meet and greet event in San Diego several years back.

      Outside of milsim style paintball games/force on force training, not much application for an ordinary person. More suited for an NGO or LEA application.

    2. avatar Vhyrus says:

      As a long time paintball player I can tell you that a paintball is good for at least 50 feet under nominal conditions.

    3. avatar Xanthro says:

      15 feet accuracy?
      You’ve never actually used a paintball marker have you?
      At 15 feet I’m not aiming at a person, I’m aiming at one inch targets and hitting them 90% of the time. In fact, that’s so close that hitting someone on something other than equipment is going to sting.
      I’ve taken outs scores of people at 100 YARDS.
      In fact, you shouldn’t miss a stationary target within 150 feet.
      Paintballs for self defense have numerous issues, but accuracy is not one of them.

      1. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

        I have. And I have also watched cheap paintballs curve so bad they bend at 25 yards. 100 yards is pushing it, but doable with a good marker, gas system, and quality paint.

        1. avatar Ing says:

          My experience with paintball markers (granted, 20 years ago) was minute-of-human anywhere inside 50 yards. You might not hit right where you aimed, but you’re going to hit some part of the guy.

          Still, follow-up shots were always in order, especially as the distance got longer. Even though your odds of a hit were pretty good anywhere inside 75-100 yards, you’re effectively shooting a semiauto musket, and a lightweight ball from an unrifled barrel can take a weird turn at any moment.

  10. avatar CH says:

    I could see a use for something like. Barking dog at 2AM, my brother at Christmas, but I agree with others if its life or death for me or mine then I am probably going to reach for more than a tabasco gun.

    1. avatar B320 says:

      Could be interesting to shoot the deer in the garden with one of these. They’ll learn not to return.

  11. avatar syms says:

    Rebranded Tippmann TiPX paintball pistol. Same thing as Pepperball’s rebranded Tiberius T8.1, main difference being the TiPX hold a 12g CO2 cartirige under the barrel and the T8.1 hold 12g in each magazine

    1. avatar jmc says:

      I own both TPX & Tiberian & to me the most important difference seems to be that the TPX doesn’t pierce the CO² until the first use so it can stay in the drawer for quite some time without leaking.

  12. avatar Phil L. says:

    Without getting into whether this is a good idea or not, I tried to find out more about it…

    Their Indiegogo campaign disappeared, so no further info there. I even tried “saltsupplyco.com”, but it just tries to resolve to the no-longer-there Indigogo page.

    Interesting: It appears that the gun is really just a Tippmann TPX or TiPX paintball gun. Further curiosity: It seems Tippmann and others already sell pepperballs.

    I suspect the Salt Supply Co. folks were trying to find a new way to market ideas already developed by others – and are getting shut down by those who have already done the work.

  13. avatar Rokurota says:

    Let it go to market. We’ll soon see which alternative homeowners and criminals prefer.

    Gotta work on the name, though. What does salt have to do with this? Is it a step down from an “a-salt” gun?

  14. avatar Bob R says:

    I’m quite certain criminals will switch to this gun…

  15. avatar Aven says:

    The only lives it would save would be the criminal’s. The innocent people would be dead.

  16. avatar Dustin says:

    I make Chili hotter than several brands of pepper spray. Go ahead, salt me.

  17. avatar JoshtheViking says:

    Did he just say “the violent bang of black powder.” How many people use black powder cartridges for self defense?

    Also, mmmm….ghost peppers.

    1. avatar schernobyl says:

      I always load my blackpowder dueling pistols when an intruder breaks in
      We square off in the back yard count twenty paces and fire.

      1. avatar styrgwillidar says:

        I prefer Mark Twain’s suggestion when it comes to dueling:

        “… it occurred to me that Gatling-guns at fifteen paces would be a likely way to get a verdict on the field of honor.”
        ‘A Tramp Abroad’ Chapter VIII The Great French Duel

  18. avatar Gunr says:

    What a croc! The worst thing about this “gun” is that it will give homeowners a sense of false security.
    If some dude comes into my home some night, he’s gonna get real lead! That’s spelled “LEAD”.

  19. avatar Bob R says:

    Pellet hits center mass. Wind is blowing sideways. No inhalation, no effect.

    Pellet hits center mass. Perp is running. Toxins do not reach face, no effect.

    Pellet hits center mass. Perp is already running towards pellet shooter. Toxins do not reach face, no effect.

    Nice try though…

    1. avatar WTF says:

      OR
      Gun was in a drawer for 3 months, the CO2 cartridge is now empty .. no effect

      1. avatar Bill says:

        OR Pellet has weak spot. bursts upon firing. wind blowing in defender’s face. defender effectively just shot theirself.

      2. avatar jmc says:

        The CO² only gets pierced on the first click. I can stay there for ages.

    2. avatar Defens says:

      Or Pellet hits center mass, perp gets a whiff and doesn’t care, beats the crap out of you anyway. Contrary to popular public belief, even getting shot with a real gun doesn’t necessarily stop a bad guy immediately.

  20. avatar Ralph says:

    But will it shoot Sriracha?

  21. avatar Shire-man says:

    I can just see some “I didn’t want to hurt him” ninny pulling this thing at 2AM to deter a home invader and collapsing almost immediately from the tearing and burning.

    Pepper balls in the house, bad idea.

    1. avatar dh34 says:

      This is perfect for NYTs Modern Man

      1. avatar Joe Liberty says:

        +1, I lol’d

        1. avatar dh34 says:

          Modem Man sleeps closest to the door so he can be savagely beaten trying to fire pepper balls at an intruder, while his wife attempts to open the LA City Council mandated safe to get her handgun, remove the trigger lock and load it.

        2. avatar Gunr says:

          dh34
          Don’t forget, the ammo probably has to be locked in a separate safe, involving more wasted time!

    2. avatar Roland says:

      I don’t want to hurt them, but they want to hurt you.

  22. avatar dh34 says:

    Doesn’t that felon Dog the Booty Hunter and his special family use some sort of pepper or tear gas pellets in paint ball guns? I seem to remember them creeping around someone’s house with something like that, thinking you’re going to feel pretty stupid when a Keltec barrel gets pointed at you…but then remembered it’s all staged anyway.

  23. avatar Jack says:

    I’ll see your fancy salt dispenser and raise you one bottle of tobasco.

  24. avatar NjGunGuy says:

    Pepperballs for riot control purposes have existed for years and this marker is literally a Tippman TiPX, which they probably licensed for this stupid endeavor. Makes me wonder if a regular TiPX and some regular pepperballs (or paintball casings, which you can buy, full of pepper powder) would be cheaper than this gimmick.

  25. avatar JAMIE says:

    We all know who is doing the crime. Put them in jail for life

  26. avatar Roland says:

    This is just going to piss the intruder off more; in stead of torturing you for two hours, they are going to torture you and your family for 8 hours.

  27. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    I’m not buying one, but that has nothing to do with them trying to sell it.

    I wish them all the best of luck with their product release.

  28. avatar Gordon Wagner says:

    What about a pellet full of jellied gasoline (Napalm) which bursts and ignites on impact? You could start a fire from 20 yards away!

  29. avatar EricB says:

    So I’m thinking…..paint a target in my grill lid with some high temp paint and my buddies and I can have some fun peppering our meat pile.

  30. avatar Jeff-in-AL says:

    Checked out the Tippman site.
    The CO2 cartridge is activated by pulling the trigger. Essentially the “gun” won’t fire on the first shot. It doesn’t list how many shots you get off a 12 gram but I wouldn’t bank on many. The “gun” is full of o-rings that need to be kept lubed and will eventually break down just sitting there. That translates to gas leaks and fewer/weaker shots. Also the magazines are spring pressured. It might not be an issue on a weekend paintball game but sitting in your dresser, that spring pressure will deform those pepperballs. They could then fly erratically or explode in the barrel. If they are hardened a great deal more than standard paintballs then they might not even break on heavy clothes like a winter jacket. In my paintball playing days I’ve had tournament grade stuff bounce off of a single fold of a flapping jersey.
    No thanks. I’ll stick with noisy black powder.

  31. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    “The Salt gun is designed to be a safe alternative to traditional firearms so that nobody gets killed…”

    The moral imperative is to preserve innocent life, not all life. Some people need killing. Period.

  32. avatar actionphysicalman says:

    Looks good for frat parties. Along with butt chugging these would be awesome fun!

  33. avatar James in Florida says:

    They should just invent a gun to shoot hugs and jobs.
    Or how about a self esteem pistol made in chicago?

  34. avatar Defens says:

    I saw the “Salt Supply” and instantly figured that there was now a commercial shotshell on the market loaded with rock salt. Nothing’s better than a side-by-side loaded with rock salt. Just step out on the porch and let a couple fly, Bidnen Style.

  35. avatar John Thomas says:

    is this from the same company that makes that table salt shooting fly killing thinger? those are awesome.

  36. avatar ts says:

    Glad to see these back on the market– they were readily available in the early 90’s. With the newer high-tech paintball guns, these have a lot of promise.

  37. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    The only “less lethal” rounds I keep are bean bag rounds for a shotgun. And that’s only for maybe a drunk idiot…

  38. avatar Don says:

    So when the guy isn’t actually stopped and you need to escape through a cloud of the pepper, what happens to you?

  39. avatar pod says:

    Takeaways other than the ineffectiveness against a determined attacker part.

    • OK, if it actually worked, it puts the guy down for a few minutes. He’s still writing around and mobile, maybe enough to return fire with his real gun, or stab at you with a knife.

    • The guy goes down, then what? Wait for the cops to arrive and hope the hell the salts don’t wear off? And good luck restraining him.

    • An above poster mentioned that this type of paintball gun needs some TLC. I’m willing to fathom someone who purchases this will probably blow through a few practice sessions with it, then chuck it in the drawer where it will remain for years. In the intervening time the CO2 will leak out, and those seals will dry up. When it’s go time, this gun will probably not fire. Yeah, a traditional gun needs lubrication and cleaning, but I’ll wager a GLOCK from 1992, left in a drawer since then, would still function well enough to get the job done.

  40. avatar Boyd says:

    If I wanted a safe alternative to using deadly force I’d just load a beanbag shell before I put in my buckshot.

  41. avatar bontai Joe says:

    Somebody’s gonna put someone’s eye out, just saying…..

  42. avatar Ralph says:

    A salt weapon without a pistol grip and a shoulder thing that goes up? I don’t think so.

    1. avatar JSJ says:

      That would make it an ‘a-salt’ weapon.

  43. avatar Hannibal says:

    There might be some applications for this but they are probably quite a bit more rare and uncertain than those calling for a real firearm.

    Mostly because if I’m at the level of needing this item then I’m at the level of wanting to have a firearm to back it up as well. In that case it’s not much of a substitute. But I guess for some people who can’t own a ‘real’ gun for some reason…

  44. avatar pod says:

    If you think about it, there’s a market in several states and many countries for an effective self-defense weapon which doesn’t fall under the definition of a firearm. What that weapon is, I don’t know, since many places where guns are restricted, you’ll also see laws restricting air guns, airsoft weapons, knives, and sharp sticks.

    Like, I thought – “Oh hey, with (major) refinements, this could be a huge seller in the UK…” – bzzzt – wrong. The UK would restrict the hell out of this too. With all the bureaucratic nonsense involved, at that point you might as well just jump through the hoops and get a real gun.

    1. avatar bethan says:

      In the UK it would legally be the same as a firearm with the pepper balls as would pepper spray. In general the tipx is legal but you see more tiberius t8 in use on the pb field.

      Just fill the thing with glass balls and hope that the gas expansion law works out ok.

  45. avatar SuperG says:

    Might be good in some instances, but if an intruder shows up at my house, he’s going to get real bullets. I once watched a guy high on PCP grab a 100W incandescent light build and say it wasn’t hot, as he watched his hand smoke.

  46. avatar Southern Cross says:

    I’ll give one compelling reason why this thing won’t work:

    METH

    A meth addict on a high simply won’t notice the pepper balls.

  47. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    It looks kinda’ large for what is nothing more than a pepper blaster…

  48. avatar tmm says:

    Any gun worth its salt would….eh, nevermind

  49. avatar Orion47 says:

    This thing is great!

    I want one. I want to use it to shoot my eggs in the morning…I love ghost peppers!

  50. avatar William Burke says:

    Capsaicin isn’t a “toxin”, it’s an irritant. There’s no toxic dosage.

  51. avatar Stan Ho says:

    Actually, maybe this will be like training wheels before the owner graduates to a real thing. Hopefully, not too late

  52. avatar james munn says:

    I read it all yes its just a tippman shit I wish I knew that befor I spent 400 bucks I could have got a better deal from tipmat there the ones who sent it enyway shooting practas rounds into a pile of shirts they dint even brake the balls what a wast of money oh well im stuck with it now home defence? not a chanch

  53. avatar ALLEN JENCIK says:

    Maybe those of us with stupid felonies like obstructing official business just want something for home protection. We can’t own a real gun to protect ourselves!

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