Quote of the Day: Grin and Bear It Edition

Bear attack (courtesy dailymail.co.uk)

“Discharging a firearm for any reason is illegal.” – Yosemite National Park Weapons/Firearms Policy [via nps.gov]

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  1. avatar John L. says:

    I wonder if they have a regulation stating bears aren’t allowed to maul people. If so, then all you need to do is wave a copy of the rule book at the bear and it will leave you alone. Right?

    1. avatar CGinTX says:

      No policy against the bears doing their thing, but there IS a policy against bear spray!

      > The possession, use, or discharge of pepper spray
      > (including bear spray), pellet guns, and BB guns
      > in Yosemite National Park is prohibited.

      1. avatar int19h says:

        No bear spray, seriously? What the fuck?

    2. avatar clickboom says:

      The bears are very timid in Yosemite.

      And grizzlies, they ain’t.

      I still bring a piece.

  2. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

    Unjust laws must be countered with civil disobedience.

    1. avatar Mr. Wonderful says:

      THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    2. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      That’s my first choice, too. My first choice.

    3. avatar BDub says:

      A firearm for self-defense is a bear necessity! *cough* 😉

    4. avatar William Burke says:

      Ed Zachary!

    5. avatar Jeremy B. says:

      Civil disobedience is all well and good, until you’re the guy facing down felony charges and lawyers fees.

      Legislative and voter action to correct it (as the founders setup for us to do) is a much better option.

  3. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Yosemite is a beautiful place. I wouldn’t change my carry habits if I ever go there again.
    When in bear country, bare arms.
    Or is that bear arms?

    1. avatar PK says:

      The literature at the entrances to the park clearly states that the possession and carrying of firearms is completely fine except in the buildings which have signage at every entrance to the effect of “no guns allowed inside”.

      You wouldn’t have to change your habits.

      1. avatar NineShooter says:

        Unless you want to piss/crap in an indoor, climate-controlled environment.

        1. avatar NineShooter says:

          Or visit any of the museums/displays, take a guided walking tour (usually start/end in the buildings), buy/browse at the Gift Shop, purchase food/drinks, interact with any of the rangers, ask questions of any park official, watch historical movies, etc.

        2. avatar JasonM says:

          I was at Mt. Rainier park recently, where they have the same policy. The bathrooms (no A/C needed, but heated) have no firearms restrictions. And only one of the doors to the information center at Paradise had a no guns sign. I just went in through a different door.

  4. Um does self defense mean anything?

    1. avatar Bob says:

      Nope, not to environmentalists, very many of whom have a deep hatred for the human species, they think we are a virus to the planet (I used to be a liberal who shared that view). They most definitely think a bear is more valuable than you or I. Special carve-outs for park rangers and law enforcement of course.

      1. avatar Excedrine says:

        What changed your mind, Bob?

        1. avatar Bob says:

          As I dipped my toes into libertarianism as a result of the wake-up call of 911 I kept thinking about the reasoning behind libertarianism and found it to be logical. Also, watching videos of the likes of Richard Dawkins helped (with critical thinking).

  5. avatar Gabe says:

    “Other Weapons
    The possession, use, or discharge of pepper spray (including bear spray), pellet guns, and BB guns in Yosemite National Park is prohibited.”

    1. avatar BigDinVT says:

      Sounds to me that what they’re trying to say is “stay out of Yosemite!”

    2. avatar foodog says:

      Interesing. Where did that quote come from?

      Just noticing the disconnect- from here, AFTER the local park employee and experienced hiker was killed by a grizzly, that the Yellowstone NPS says “always carry bear spray that is readily accessible”.

      http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/15056.htm

      Personally, if I were hiking in grizzly country I would be packing more than bear spray, regs be damned.

      1. avatar ThomasR says:

        I’d be carrying my Super Red Hawk .454 Casull.

        1. avatar Accur81 says:

          Smith .460 for me.

      2. avatar int19h says:

        If you can only care one thing, bear spray is actually the best choice. But having a large caliber revolver as a backup is not a bad idea.

  6. I’ll take my chances with the jury….

    1. avatar Mr. Wonderful says:

      Damn Right!!

      1. avatar Gunr says:

        Better to judged by 12, than carried by 6

        1. avatar WarsawPactHeat says:

          Or, in this case, carried by one…hungry brown bear, that is.

        2. avatar 2Asux says:

          Guys…..

          This meme will get you jailed in a hurry. Jury pools are made up largely of anti-gun sympathizers. Don’t count on a reasonable jury, don’t count on a jury of your peers.

          Don’t go where stupid people are doing stupid things for stupid prizes.

  7. avatar foodog says:

    Convenient how NPS words things in CA. Deliberately misleading and flat wrong, however.
    Self defense is a good reason for discharging a weapon. And sometimes necessary.

    http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2013/03/no-charges-filed-over-grizzly-bear-shot-during-grand-teton-elk-hunt/

  8. avatar Stoopid says:

    Another example of an out of touch bureaucrat.

  9. avatar gary says:

    Remember—the NPS now has a policy to conform to the state laws concerning weapons to be in compliance with the state in which the park resides. Yellowstone, Glacier, and others are wonderful. Walk around with a gun on the hip. Yosemite, however, resides in the peoples republic of California! BEWARE of California laws. Do not make the mistake of thinking that because it is a national park that California law does not apply—it DOES.

      1. avatar foodog says:

        Note that while CA law prohibits carrying a firearm, federal law requires use of bear-proof canisters to thru hike in Yosemite:

        http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/bearcans.htm

        In other words- you can’t protect the food…if its you, but you must protect the food you carry.

    1. avatar SuperG says:

      Reason #738 of why I left the PDRC over 20 years ago. California is a fine place if you are a criminal.

      1. avatar Old Ben turning in grave says:

        Or a leech. It’s also a good place if you are one of the wealthy elite. Working folks trying to make an honest living? Not so much.

    2. avatar Mark N. says:

      California law prohibits the open carrying of firearms only in incorporated areas. And yes, the openly carried firearms may be loaded. Otherwise hunting would be illegal. Which it isn’t.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I can carry concealed, sans permit, in CA while fishing. Outside incorporated areas. If you see me with a fishing pole and not in a city park there’s a gun somewhere upon my person.

  10. avatar Andy says:

    Is Yosemite Sam exempt from this law?

    Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh! Pew, pew, pew!

    Sit still ya varmint!

  11. avatar Bill Kohnke says:

    I do hope this policy also applies to all park employees and government officials, regardless of capacity or office.

    1. avatar Accur81 says:

      It doesn’t.

  12. avatar John says:

    Seems to be some park name confusion going on.

    Yosemite is the park in the Sierra Nevada in California with cliffs and waterfalls. Famous for rock climbing – think El Capitan, half Dome and Yosemite Falls. Yosemite has the smaller less aggressive black bears. I’ve backpacked hundreds of miles there with no encounters with aggressive bears. Their behavior is more like a big racoon. No grizzlies in Yosemite to my knowledge. No hunts that I’m aware of.

    Yellowstone is the park in (mostly) Wyoming with all the geysers. Also moose, elk and grizzlies. I’d be very apprehensive about backcountry travel in Yellowstone without at least a sidearm. Teton is just south of Yellowstone.

    Both beautiful places.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      The only grizzlies in California are in zoos or on the state flag. The California grizzly is extinct.

    2. avatar int19h says:

      Just FYI, black bears can be quite aggressive. More people are attacked by black bears than by grizzlies every year in this country (obviously this is largely because black bears have a much wider range, but still, it goes to show that they can and do attack people).

      The chances of you personally being attacked are still extremely low, and most black bears prefer to not mess with humans, but it’s wise to take some precautions. Bear spray exists for a reason.

  13. avatar DAN V says:

    So, the pic is of a Swiss Bear named Finn.

  14. avatar Tommy Knocker says:

    Typical bureaucrats playing games. “You want to screw with us ? Then we will let you carry but you can’t use it !”

    Someone needs to sue their asses. Hopefully wishfully crossing my fingers that we get a Pres who will disassemble these Fascist organizations.

  15. avatar Bruce says:

    What will be interesting to me is how the courts apply Heller to self defense in national parks (or indeed on other federal land). Sure, part of self-defense is aimed at 2 legged aggressors, but it is also aimed at 4 legged, led probably by bears, though moose, wolves, and maybe even bison should also be relevant here. We have a notable amount of open carry here in NW MT, and much of it is primarily aimed at defense from the 4 legged variety of dangerous critters. The feds may be able to successfully argue against firearms in smaller or maybe more urban parks, but a lot of these larger western parks have known problems with their wildlife. Have seen grizzlies in Denali and Yellowstobe, and missed a double mauling by them in Glacier by hours, which might have been prevented if carrying had been legal back then. Throughout our history, one of the primary reasons to keep and bear arms has been protection against wildlife, which is an argument that the 2nd Amdt was aimed to protect that right too.

  16. avatar slow says:

    You can’t fix stupid even with duct tape.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Are you sure? I feel like enough duct tape fixes everything when properly applied.

      1. avatar george from fort worth says:

        somewhere there is a military unit with the following (probably paraphrased) motto:
        “there is no problem that cannot be solved by the application of a sufficient amount of high explosive”.

      2. avatar Billy-bob says:

        Nope, it only muffles it a while.

  17. avatar george from fort worth says:

    stay the hell out of wilderness areas where you cannot defend yourself. this picture is a perfect example of becoming one with nature.

    1. avatar syms says:

      In a zoo in Switzerland?

      1. avatar george from fort worth says:

        they create simulated wilderness areas in zoos.

  18. avatar juliesa says:

    Yosemite is where a serial killer murdered four women. I carry more for that reason than for animals.

    1. avatar Bob says:

      Self defense, period, is all the reason needed. Actually no reason at all is needed.

  19. avatar Stinkeye says:

    Robert, maybe you should talk to someone about your unhealthy obsession with bears.

  20. avatar Avid Reader says:

    I sure hope that guy in the picture filed the front sight off of his rifle.

  21. avatar ready,fire,aim says:

    I guess you can call that picture a “man size sandwich”…(crickets)….too soon?

  22. avatar larry says:

    What is the point of this?

    This photo is from 2009 in Switzerland. Did Yosemite just make some new announcement? Linkbait?

  23. avatar Aaron says:

    Is that bear eating that guy, or f*ng him??

  24. avatar Bob says:

    They are just giving the bears “room to destroy”.

  25. avatar Kevin says:

    Below is information available from the website for the Padre Island National Seashore in South Texas with comments after:

    “Firearms

    As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park. It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. Note that firearms, even legally possessed ones, are prohibited in all Federal buildings.”

    I think we really need to push legislation to remove the prohibition in ALL Federal building to something that is more reasonable and makes sense. I can understand the argument regarding Federal prisons, court houses, FBI HQ, stuff like that. A park visitor center or indoor bathrooms being off limits is, well, STUPID.

    By these rules, a port-a-potty could be considered a “Federal Building” and a CHL permitted person would not be able to use without dis-arming.

    1. avatar Bob says:

      Think about it for a second. A legal activity is illegal. 1 + 1 = 3. What kind of society allows this?

  26. avatar Anonymoose says:

    The obvious solution is to FIX BAYONETS!

    1. avatar PeterW says:

      Bayonetz iz broke?

      1. avatar jwm says:

        You’ve obviously never tried to put a bayonet on a mosin nagant.

  27. avatar Azics says:

    Might this be a first step in national CCW reciprocity? The Federal Government (and therefore National Parks) should recognize all permits. So, if you have an AZ permit, you should be ok to conceal carry in any National Park, including in states that don’t recognize your permit. This way we can conceal carry in Yosemite, without infringing on CA’s states rights.

  28. avatar F.K says:

    Ok that is a picture from switzerland. The Guy in 2009 is handicaped. This is why he entered the bear park and climbed into the Cage. A Police Officer Shot the bear with a mp5 with ruag Action 4 Ammo. The bear was severly wounded but made it. The Guy was also badley wounded. I dont see how this picture is useful in this Context.

    1. avatar Bob says:

      I don’t think it was meant to be used literally, it was to illustrate that this is what the results of the stupid laws and regulations could look like, instead of a picture of a man standing with a gun in his hand looking down at a dead bear that was about to kill him.

  29. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    I just won’t go there-problem solved…

  30. avatar Martin B says:

    On another subject entirely, did you hear about the Aussie woman who thought she ran over a koala bear, but couldn’t find it in the dark. She found it at home, jammed into the grille of her car, slighly hurt but otherwise well. Zoo staff have called the koala “Bear Grilles”. Both are happy and well.

  31. avatar Megalith says:

    The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Yellow Stone National Park to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
    They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
    Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
    It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
    Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

  32. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Looks like a sexually active bear.

  33. avatar TwinReverb says:

    How about no?

    I’d carry in Yosemite and if attacked, I’d defend my life. How illegal is that? My lawyers would decide that.

  34. avatar Gs650g says:

    So is eating people. Arrest the bear.

  35. avatar Joseph says:

    This is what a G20 is for.

  36. avatar Shwiggie says:

    Forget the bear spray and large-caliber firearms. Just OC a pickanick basket or two, take the training to learn how best to deploy and utilize these assets, and then move yours.

  37. If I am going to be eating I will wait until I can stick the gun in its mouth and fire. Hopefully the bullet will come out the back of the neck killing whatever on the spot.
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