Bryan Miller in 2008. Photo credit: USA Today.

The Philadelphia Inquirer will never be mistaken for a pro-gun publication, but even their editorial board found the travails of Shaneen Allen — a single mother of two who ran afoul of New Jersey’s Kafkaesque firearms laws — appalling. “Allen’s case illustrates the danger of relying on prosecutors for restraint, a consequence of any mandatory minimum sentence. Tough gun laws can save lives, but rigid penalties for sometimes minor crimes risk needlessly ruining lives, along with the rationale for those laws.” . . .

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of freedom and liberty. Heaven forbid that mandatory minimum sentences should ruin the case for laws restricting our civil liberties.

This is the sort of statement one would make upon learning that a significant portion of the universe doesn’t comport with your vision of things. But openly admitting such would cause discomfort among one’s social circle, and might lead to exclusion from the really good cocktail parties. The Inquirer’s editorial board clearly had to thread the needle between their ideology and some semblance of integrity and this was been the best they could manage. Kudos, Inquirer, on a job…done.

Of course, some people don’t even bother with the whole integrity bit. Bryan Miller, formerly of Ceasefire New Jersey and current executive director of an anti-gun religious organization called “Heeding God’s Call”, is one of them.

Upset at the ideological apostasy committed by the Inquirer, this modern-day zampolit penned a letter taking them to task. He starts off by admonishing Pennsylvanians who carry firearms to stay away from the Garden State (don’t stress too hard about that one, Mr. Miller; it’s more of a ‘drive-over’ territory for those of us who occasionally go to New York City or parts beyond on business.) Then, he turns his little ideological crusade up to eleven by attacking Shaneen Allen directly.

As to Allen, yes, she’s a mother with a law-abiding background. Yes, she alerted a policeman in New Jersey that she was carrying a loaded (with hollow-point bullets), concealed, and unsecured handgun. Yes, her plight pulls at the heartstrings. But equally, she broke three laws that Jerseyans overwhelmingly support.

There is a duty of responsibility upon anyone possessing a gun, the most lethal consumer product. That duty is dramatically greater for anyone seeking to carry a loaded and concealed handgun. And it grows further for anyone deciding to load her handgun with massively destructive hollow-point bullets.

Allen, however, acted as if she had no duty or responsibility at all. When the Editorial Board implied that New Jersey law and its enforcers were at fault, it turned logic on its head.

Bryan Miller, executive director, Heeding God’s Call

The only logic turned on its head here is where Mr. Bryan claims to be concerned at all about law and personal responsibility while he rhetorically kicks to the curb a single mother of two who worked multiple jobs to make ends meet. Someone who bought a pistol after being repeatedly robbed, who by all accounts was safely and responsibly carrying that pistol, and who spent 40 days in jail before making bail because she volunteered the truth to a police officer and an overzealous prosecutor decided that this poor Black woman was an easy mark for a plea bargain.

Miller has no problem with the horrendous treatment accorded Ms. Allen by the state of New Jersey. A woman who is now out of work because New Jerseyans apparently “overwhelmingly support” laws that would put a single working mother in jail rather than let her safely and responsibly carry tools to protect her life and those of her children.

What nonsense. I would have expected a man leading a religious organization — particularly one that claims inspiration from the leadership of Martin Luther King, Jr. — to understand that the approval of a majority does not give that majority the moral right to imprison and oppress the weakest, poorest, and most vulnerable in that society.

In fact, I’m compelled to wonder: is Miller’s “Heeding God’s Call” group really a serious faith-based organization? Or is it a farcical group that was cut from the final draft of a particularly verbose Ayn Rand novel for being “too much of a cliched one-dimensional straw man?”

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  1. This guy is just another mindless tool of the progressive democrats. Not capable of thinking logically for himself, just repeats the lies the left employs, or twists the facts to suit their ideology. Such organizations are pathetic, especially when hiding behind religeon.

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    • I’ve heard it said on this site that the term “gun rights” doesn’t really make sense as GUNS don’t actually have any rights, in and of themselves. The citizens do. So that really makes us “citizen rights” advocates, does it not?

      Ready for the scary bit? Lets apply that to the other side. Guns also don’t follow or break laws by themselves. So when a person is labeled as a gun control advocate, feel free to relabel them citizen-control advocates. They are not seeking to degrade and destroy the rights of guns, but our rights. They are not seeking to pass laws to control the gun, but to control the citizens.

  2. Sometimes I just wish people just wore “I hate guns” T-shirts. That way, they would have the option of an armed police officer not responding to them if they are ever the victim of an assault / kidnapping / robbery, etc. I wouldn’t want to offend such a “wise” person with my armed presence. They would be free, at that point, to deal with their armed attacker with their razor sharp political advice and imaginary moral superiority.

    • I know you aren’t personally steering the ship but this is where a return to the People bearing their responsibility for their own safety is important to our free society. A return to peace officers serving writs & warrants, apprehending fugitives, investigating real crimes, and assisting in keeping the general peace would serve to remind people that they must be able and willing to secure their own safety day to day. This would dampen such pie-in-the-sky anti-RKBA rhetoric. The nanny state, with law enforcement as its front line, convinces some of the mistaken notion that they are well taken care of and need not exercise their own right to keep and bear arms.

    • “They would be free, at that point, to deal with their armed attacker with their razor sharp political advice and imaginary moral superiority.”

      Nicely put.

      My entirely unscientific, anecdotal observation is that moral superiority is often the strongest smell coming from antis (and far-lefties in general). In fact, I’d bet that what draws many of them to be so virulently anti-gun in the first place is simply the opportunity to be sanctimonious.

  3. To the Inquirer’s credit, they did say that such draconian applications of the law undercuts the purported rationale behind those laws. As for Bryan Miller–what does he mean by “unsecured”? Wasn’t the pistol in the glove box or some such? And raving about “massively destructive hollow-points” betrays either his ignorance or mendacity or both, as we all know that the dangers of over-penetration are lessened with hollow-points.

        • Like revenge (a dish that tastes best cold), schadenfreude would be equally delicious should he ever get a dose…

        • I’m sure he has hired armed guards to take care of that for him. If the peasants feel they are in danger why don’t they hire bodyguards like all the other important people?

          I really hate people like this guy. Honestly hurts to consider such a monster “people”.

  4. “she broke three laws that Jerseyans overwhelmingly support.”

    Citation please.

    “a gun, the most lethal consumer product.”

    Citation please.

    What mindless nonsense.

      • By the measure of price:lethal dose, I’d say bleach or gasoline tops the list. For less than $5, you can buy enough of that to kill anybody.
        You’d need at least $100 to buy enough gun to kill something, not including ammo.

    • Those were the two that jumped out at me as well. I actually don’t doubt that NJ people ‘support’ these stupid gun laws. That said, idiot voters is why we have a constitution…

  5. Honestly I think if more people paid attention to what rand was saying we wouldn’t be this far in the hole right now

  6. What nonsense. I would have expected a man leading a religious organization — particularly one that claims inspiration from the leadership of Martin Luther King, Jr. — to understand that the approval of a majority does not give that majority the moral right to imprison and oppress the weakest, poorest, and most vulnerable in that society.

    Emphasis mine.

    Isn’t that what Christianity, and in turn a lot of self-described “Christians” for that matter, purports to be against? Both Miller’s behavior and thought processes are the exact polar opposites of what the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. preached and practiced. Looking back on history, however, Mr. Miller probably would have been right at home gleefully partaking in the Spanish Inquisition. People of The Cloth who then use their “faith” as a cudgel against those whom they disagree with is hardly new and hardly surprising. Either he’s simply unaware of his mind-numbing hypocrisy, or he is willfully pig ignorant of it and is flaunting it at us instead.

    It’s especially irksome for me personally because I never acquired that habit from my own Christian upbringing, and that’s because it was simply never there.

    The more that the “times” may “change”, the more that good ole’ Human Nature — and its proclivities to all manner of barbarism and treachery — stays the same.

        • Had it not been for armed black citizens in the neighborhoods, MLK wouldn’t have succeeded, because the Klan and its ilk would have launched a terror campaign. Peaceful protest succeeded because the people at home were armed.

        • @Roymond: Yep. That’s an inconvenient truth for antis. Frederick Douglass encouraged individuals to bear arms. Harriet Tubman’s husband and others were armed while working with slaves seeking freedom in the North.

      • I kind of get the feeling that Mr. Miller might be one of those people who assert admiration for MLK as a way of alerting the rest of us that they aren’t racists.

        In Mr. Miller’s case, he makes this claim while throwing a black single mother under the bus for attempting to follow the law.

      • @dirk diggler — I am well aware of MLK’s stance on gun ownership. I studied much of his work in my literary analyses on gun control and criminal justice literature in college. He was denied a CCW permit in the state of Alabama by a then-DemoKKKratik Sheriff. In fact, one of his closest friends described his home as “an arsenal”, and The Deacons For Defense played it straight for the CRM.

        In fact, you might want to add these books to your reading list:

        “This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed: How Guns Made The Civil Rights Movement Possible” – Charles E. Cobb, Jr.

        “Negroes and The Gun: The Black Tradition of Arms” – Nicholas Johnson

        “Negroes With Guns” – Robert F. Williams

        “Radio Free Dixie: Robert F. Williams and The Roots of Black Power” – Timothy B. Tyson

        “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration In The Age of Colorblindness” – Michelle Alexander

        “The Deacons For Defense: Armed Resistance and the Civil Rights Movement” – Lance Hill

        “We Will Shoot Back: Armed Resistance in the Mississippi Freedom Movement” – Akinyele Umoja

        “At the Dark End of the Street: Black Women, Rape, and Resistance–A New History of the Civil Rights Movement from Rosa Parks to the Rise of Black Power” – Danielle L. McGuire

  7. I wonder if the average person reading Mr. Miller’s rants understands just how idiotic his statements are? Most lethal weapon available (his subjective opinion) ? Massively destructive hollow points (he has no clue)? Unsecured handgun (it was in her glovebox from what I understand)? He reveals how stupid and biased he is with everything that he writes and then tries to run down others for their logical positions. Just hope that most people recognize just how ridiculous his statements are. But those that don’t know anything about firearms probably think his statements sound logical. Too bad. We all need to keep working to expose these charlatans for what they really are.

    • Didn’t you know? Once you cross the invisible line into Jersey, hollow points immediately fire and automatically seek out babies then implode on contact. A magical place where slaves love to lick the boot, and the government is apparently run by the mafia. Honestly, its at the point where the whole state should be burned to the ground and the earth salted. Nothing good comes from Jersey.

  8. Another Fascist hiding behind the Bible. NO peace, mercy, grace, love, forgiveness. Yea he’s a person I would want leading me. First mistake he would stone ya to death.

  9. These guys show up to host a “prayer vigil” every time a gangbanger ventilates another one in Harrisburg . I’ve yet to see them do anything that confronts the reality of gang violence in that town.

  10. As a newjerseyian we DO NOT “overwhelmingly support” our gun laws. Our democratic overlords enacted these laws these laws and we have been fighting hand and foot to reverse these laws.

    • I’ve voted in NJ.com polls where it’s typically at least 80% AGAINST whatever gun control topic is at hand.

      I’ve attended NJ Assembly sessions where gun owners easily outnumber anti’s 5:1 but they allocate testimony slots 1:1 to each side to make it appear balanced. All the while the “representatives” play solitaire on their iPads when a gun owner is speaking.

  11. “Zampolit” is a perfect term. He is channeling Zampolit Putin from Red October RIGHT before Ramius smashed his larynx. He is the anti-gun Robespierre to Bloomturd’s Rasputin.

    ray

  12. Just curious what residents of NJ think about the law that they approved (past tense) of after they see the possible consequence of its enforcement.
    Not a bad time for a poll.
    Has anyone done one after this incident?

  13. “And it grows further for anyone deciding to load her handgun with massively destructive hollow-point bullets.”

    First chuckle. Second:

    I read where she was carrying a .38. Depending on the length of the barrel and how hot she was willing to go on the loading – she might have have had more “destructive” power if she went w/ an fmj or a solid wc/swc. Definitely true if it was a snub nosed .38.

  14. Sites like handgunlaw.us shouldn’t have to exist, but it’s a good thing they do.

    But you shouldn’t have to take a crash course on the firearm statutes of every state you might find yourself casually passing through, particularly when with very few exceptions they’re written to be as Byzantine as possible. You have to to keep yourself safe, so it boils down to who you think you should protect yourself from the most: the crooks on the street, or those who patrol them?

    I wish this guy would heed God’s call to go jump in a lake.

  15. Bryan Miller has only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. “Off with her head!” he says, without even looking round. Because that’s what queens do in Wonderland.

  16. The majority of New Jersians do not accept these laws. The majority of New Jersey politicians impose these laws on the people of New Jersey.

    • Not sure I buy that. I definitely agree with the “imposed” bit, and a majority of New Jersians might not fully support those laws, but since such laws have been in place for some time and not repealed or softened, one has to conclude that at least a bare majority do, in fact, accept them. I know there are many Jersians who are fighting day and night against their ridiculous gun laws, but if they were really a sizable majority, wouldn’t they have made at least some progress by now?

  17. A typical blowhard, self important, do-gooder wrapping himself in “religion”. He is a very small man who torments the vulnerable.

    NJ gun laws are so horrible they are one of the reasons I’m leaving ASAP. Heading to a free state where they also don’t tax you within an inch of your life.

    This state is beyond hope. No chance of a non progressive assembly as long as the unions have a stranglehold on the Democrats and I don’t see that ever changing here.

  18. “When the Editorial Board implied that New Jersey law and its enforcers were at fault, it turned logic on its head.”

    Quite the opposite. The Shaneen Allen case demonstrated the stupidity of a prosecutor who handled a case of an athlete who knocked a woman unconscious in an elevator with pre-trial intervention, but is so outraged and fearful of the “danger to the public” of a woman who was only geographically unqualified to be armed, an administrative nicety of “malum prohibito” required paperwork, that the only mercy he saw fit to offer her was a mere 3 1/2 years in prison.
    In addition to revealing the stupidity of the enforcers of the law, the case further demonstrated the stupidity and/or duplicity of the legislators whose “logic” rationalized the abrogation of 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, the only people who would obey such laws, in the name of “disarming criminals”.

  19. “Kafkaesque?”

    NJ has a well known reputation of being firearms unfriendly. There are color coded maps all over the Internet that indicate which states recognize which other states’ permits. NJ doesn’t recognize PA’s. Ergo, don’t carry on NJ.

    NJ’s firearms laws may or may not be Kafkaesque, Byzantine, and/or draconian, but the ONLY part of them that this criminal needed to be familiar with, was that big ass sign along the highway that read “Now entering New Jersey.”

    • Who is the “criminal” in your scenario, Ms. Allen? I hope that you don’t get hurt too badly when you fall off that high horse.

      • Yes, that’s the criminal. You know, the one who needed an expedient pardon. by a RINO Governor seeking the GOP presidential nomination, to keep out of prison. You can play cutesy, put criminal in quotes, and insult me, but she’s still committed a criminal act. So there.

        High horse? Get off of YOURS, little Mr. “I’m ohhh soooo such a Constitutional purist, that I hypocritically get to decide which laws to follow or ignore.” B.S.

        You people always deride 2A hating liberals, scolding them to change the Constitution, through constitutional means, if they don’t like the 2A. Well. How about YOU change unconstitutional laws through constitutional means, like the courts, instead of just cheerleading for criminals who ignore the law.

        There are criminals who ignore the law whom, had you the opportunity, you would shoot in the face at zero dark thirty and splatter their red chunky stew all over you faux oak 3mm cheap laminate flooring. Yeah, you would, and why? Because that law you agree with. Nice. Talk about high horses.

  20. Redo of Bob Englehart’s cartoon because it does not show what occurs after gun control is in place…
    http://www.windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/BEFORE-AND-AFTER.jpg

    The pistols have been illegal since around 1902.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arrested-after-shots-fired-in-sydney-car-park-20150419-1mok18.html
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/teenager-admits-machete-murder-20120302-1u7gh.html
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/qld-home-invasion-couple-doused-in-petrol/story-fn3dxiwe-1227027083035
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10656554
    http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/breaking-news/man-critical-after-nsw-home-invasion/story-fnjbnvyk-1226859698616
    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/machete-axe-used-in-bloody-home-invasion-20110421-1dptj.html

    (You may be interested to know that the following is illegal in Britain and its commonwealth countries but there are various around in Australia) This following IS NOT Australian footage or incident!
    But it is what it can beome easily in Australia or Britain in your house!
    http://knowledgeglue.com/man-uses-katana-stop-home-invasion-gory-aftermath-nsfw/

    …And countries such as Australia claim 2 per 100,000 homicide rate but don’t tell you that in all of “a hundred years” pistols have been banned to basic public, too in a hundred years or ever, the main methods of murder at all times through history do not involve firearms, firearms have never managed more than 25 percent of homicides.
    Again the average number of brain dead is twice the rate of the USA’s worst area.

    If you thought banning guns would give you a country with “the other freedoms you enjoy” , THINK AGAIN!

    Anti gunners should remember history of the result of Fascism or Monarchy.(note: neither the Khmer Rouge Cambodian or Rwandan Genocides ever used firearms in principle (most deaths were machete, wooden clubs, iron bars)!!! )

    Great point about the second amendment !
    Australia and Britain and its Commonwealths’ fascism(they are not democracies because there are elite that have total decision “at any time” over “any law” , there is no bill of rights or rights neither freedom of speech) does not start at banning self defense and fire-arms, it bans anything that could give a person personal power, down to building structure requirements !

    It is all deliberate stifle including huge overheads of cost to stifle(not mere required tax).

    Ultra light aircraft constructed are legislatively too flimsy and powerless(because of weight restriction) and must never be flown over a road, and can only be used where they would not find a crash site for three days or you land in a school of sharks!

    The tax on fuel is huge. The roads are designed in a lightning strike symbol “pattern” to cause almost total loss of any speed whether major highway or major road, and those too(major roads) have sharp rising crests and opposite faces you cannot exceed 100kmh going over or a semi-trailer can be caused to “jump” (often been found crashed all over the road on the far side of the highway hill * note: the hill crest speed system i consider murder by the government for how often it causes some sort of damage or accident alike the sudden sharp lightning symbol curve system).
    It’s only purpose when the roads were upgraded around the early 1980’s was to remove larger older 6 cylinder and 8 cylinder down to more powerless 4 cylinder vehicles by causing fuel cost blowout. Too the roads when constructed were “considered improved for greater speed and safety by being six lane interstate highways over the old 4 and two-way” , HOWEVER, nothing could be further from the truth, the new require just as much skill as before and (immensely oddly) at lower speed?!?!?
    It was all a setup knife through the back of Australian motoring in both terms of personal power and economics(they use the same fuel in a modern 4 cylinder sedan (1.5 Tonne) as an old 1960’s six cylinder sedan (2.1 tonne) at 90 – 115 mph).
    With vehicle licenses, if you have any fines from any source, then your license is not renewed, neither a motor vehicle can be sold to a person without the proper current license for the vehicle type. The trouble is that 50 percent of job adverts require “own motor transport to work” or “current drivers license”, so half the jobs able to be applied for are gone and a person cannot pay the fines!

    So uneconomic a point to this they can want nothing with it other than lowering personal power of the individual, particularly upon people they do not perceive as a money earner!
    They would do better on fines and make sense if they banned unpaid drivers from driving “Saturday and Sunday”.

    The Australian government can bring in Chinese to the electricity grid system at billions of dollars, but you cannot get much “off grid hybrid” support until the cost of connection to the grid is over 50,000AUD and the only “off grid system developed in Australia” costs twice or near twice that, so it’s ok for government to spend billions to China but not for people to pay 20,…-30,000AUD for a hybrid off grid supply! (all the twists and turns about it)
    One small industrial suburbs electricity usage per day is all that is needed to power all the homes in Australia for a day.
    The electricity industry concedes supply to domestic market makes little or no money because of overheads and infrastructure being so much for so little!
    They did nothing in all of the RET scheme to promote wind grid tied to houses on the edge of town or to the rural population (although they did have a price rebate system for “off grid to remote houses – RAPS”).
    All they wanted was everyone put 5kw solr panels on their roofs, this only works during summer to cut electricity bills, but not winter appreciably (note: there are more complex reasons for their underhanded ways in this to extract money e.g. “peak charge” “shoulder period charges”).
    There is truthfully no point beyond a suburb boundary for having grid network supply because of the off grid technology “available(?)” now.

    “article:Christopher Pyne suggests collecting HECS debts from dead students as way to help budget”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO4HC5p1xGc
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/christopher-pyne-suggests-collecting-hecs-debts-from-dead-students-as-way-to-help-budget-20140528-394rx.html

    Again, dogs and wolves(Dingoes) are attacked by the government because they are alike keeping a gun SO TAKE NOTE ABOUT RIGHTS AND PERSONAL POWER HERE. These animals have been accepted for centuries as kept guard dogs as much as the family pet, but are now taught to be a brainless, toothless traitor or they will be euthanased for any aggression.
    The government supports idiots whom wish to breed brainless lame psychology into canines as “the selection” and “that is not how psychological health and survival is decreed in nature”.
    This also alike electricity supply has some real merit in suburban areas, but alike firearms not beyond the inaccessible property boundary.
    Dingoes were not allowed to be kept as pets until sometime around the year 2005. The main reason however i could find was they are much more agile flexible and powerful than a domestic breed dog, which translated simply means(a jump to) they can take on two larger police dogs alone and win, and heavier work at it. This doesn’t make much sense to ban their keeping (except in a jail like structure pen) until you understand how much information is collected by snooping and forced entry to houses-property whether thieves or intelligence do that.
    Worse again. i’m finding near all wild dingoes(often referred to as “wild dogs”) in pictures are some sort of “Akita crossbreed or Shiba Inu” with some “ACD Australian Cattle Dog” and “Samoyed” for appearance, it’s made to appear similar to a cuddly toy with dingo markings. A real Dingo is a much skinnier slim taller solid-boned wire-like dog with a flatter head and bigger more solid long muzzle and eyes that are simply mounted and point out to the sides and appear a bit alike human Asian eyes for outline shape, there is no mistaking it from a woolly whoopie cushion!!! , however, they claim these whoopie cushions are pure!!!
    (whoopie cushion) http://windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/fake-dingo.jpg
    (real dingo) http://windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/true-dingo.jpg
    That’s sad, to me it means they are destroying its genetics deliberately!
    Either that or they made an immense blunder in the genome data-base collection!
    If you want to test if there is enough Dingo, hold your hand out to it when it is 10 yards away and it will crouch and look on at you and “potentially come over and bite your hand”, particularly if you simply stand there like a statue and wait!
    A whoopie cushion will probably do what any standard hunting or pig dog will do territoriality for how well socialised it is, A dingo reacts by instinct.

    The XPT rail train when it was brought out in the early 1980’s boasted speed of up to 190KMH , but there is only 60km of track between Sydney and Melbourne it can reach anything alike it. Because freight trains use the track, subsidence occurs causing it too dangerous and its speed was downgraded to maximum 150kmh. However, between Sydney and Melbourne the journey is on winding track it often can go no more than 100kmh and often less and takes 10 to 11 hours for what is in a straight line 600km (six hours at 100kmh or 3 hours at 200kmh)!
    There is a reason they like to keep the rail service crappy. It tends to force people onto airlines and regional airlines where they can take a good old look through everything and invade your home privacy while you are gone for just about anything abnormal or simply not understood that they find in your luggage!

    An annoying pest called a mass killer has presented a problem about personal fire-power and the people are seeking an answer how best to prevent or tackle the mass killer problem.
    Some idiot seems to have suggested listening to the experience of a country(Australia or Britain and any of its Commonwealths) that has many parallels to NAZI Germany and other dictatorial non democracy governments along with severe differences of social environment both physically and morally that indicate while it does not have firearms the initial same physical environment in high density population density may be twice the USA homicide rate without a shot ever fired, which concludes they mean little or nothing as an example of how to handle mass killer situations by or through laws though they banned guns. Quite bizarrely they are near as violent without firearms and perhaps more violent than the USA.

    It appears the price of democracy is a couple extra homicides per 100,000 a year in basic overall average for the USA but indecisive if that is actually the effect from mass killer gunmen or basic motive homicides.

    ….gives a what for democracy…
    “China’s determined feminists detained”
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/chinas-determined-feminists-detained-20150406-1mez2c.html
    (Article quote)…”Depending on their aims, activists can be targeted and harassed in China. These men, trying to draw attention to child trafficking are painted with a slogan in China’s Shanxi province in 2013. Photo: Reuters”…

    In Australia and basically any other Britain Commonwealth country , the process of “protest” and “lobbying to change law” before putting it to referendum vote(so called) requires :
    A. a lobby group to be registered before protest and information pushing as a community service announcement.
    B. That group to be accepted for registration by the government to be allowed to be registered !
    So if they do any of that if not accepted or not registered they can be jailed , suppressed and silenced.

    Then there are people in Australia that go to hospital in mid winter in Sydney NSW Australia that have “frost bite”, then require surgery or amputation because “police do not like people to have gloves or Balaclavas” !!!

    There are only around six stores in Sydney NSW sell proper raincoats or raincoat pairs , you almost never find them in many major stores in the CBD !!!

    I loathed people whom took photos of accidents and police incidents, the law was changed in Australia to prevent people except press getting in the way. However, because there is no assurance of any justice or truth because there is no way of finding or enforcing against corruption, such laws should be repealed and any accident or incident should be filmed by passers by in Australia for safety reasons against corruption.

    So what’s the difference between China(PRC) and Australia?
    None i’d say in terms of democracy!

  21. I think I’ll take the anti-gun grabber style approach to this:

    New Jersey, the one State in the Union that has the toughest gun control laws, but has the highest gun crime in the Nation.

    If their gun control laws are designed to protect the People why are the People being hunted down and slaughtered in New Jersey every day.

  22. From Heeding’s “About Us” page:

    “Our Belief:

    As people of faith…
    •We embrace Dr. Martin Luther King’s hope for peace and safety in our communities.
    •We resist apathy to this epidemic of violence, because fear, closed doors, and separation will not end it.
    •We unite to bring God’s vision of a peaceable kingdom, without the violent loss of over 30,000 American lives by gunfire each year.”

    This is the entirety of the “Our Belief” section. A bit of searching on their site revealed only a couple of Scripture verses on any of their pages, with those often being vague and/or taken out of context. To me, this seems less a faith-based organization, and more an organization that specifically targets “faith communities” so that they can stamp “God approved!” on their message to appeal to Christians and religious people.

    I could go on at great length as to the weaknesses of their position and the fallacies of their arguments, but I trust most anyone reading this could debunk their logic as well as, if not better than, I could do myself.

  23. Based upon the stats, aren’t automobiles the “most lethal consumer product” known to mankind followed by cigarettes? And as far as those “massively destructive hollow-point bullets” go, I must be buying the wrong brand. For some reason mine always fail to explode.

  24. Anyone else find amusement in a group called “Heeding God’s Call” being chaired by a man who ran a gun control organisation pretty much designed to bear false witness against gun owners?

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