Gun Review: Ares Defense SCR

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Living “behind enemy lines” sucks. Thanks to “assault weapons bans” (AWB), shooters in New York, California, New Jersey and other so-called “slave states” can’t take advantage of their Constitutionally protected right to sample the latest in firearms technology. The only guns [legally] available are often less accurate firearms that cost more money. And so the good folks at Ares Defense set out to enable even those citizens living in those awful places to have access to the very best in modern firearms. Although it looks like the unholy union of a rifle and a shotgun, the result could well be the best AWB-compliant firearm configuration on sale today. But in addition, the Ares Defense SCR  might also be a firearm that suits hunters in the rest of America. . .

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We first got our hands on an SCR around a year ago at the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis. It seemed like a really cool concept, blending the best parts of an AR-15 rifle with the operating bits of a shotgun. The gun got around all those pesky “assault weapons ban” requirements- with style! While the potential was obvious, we didn’t know how the finished product would work. One year later, and we finally have one for testing.

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The very first thing you notice about the rifle: its weight. Or the lack thereof. The specs put the rifle at 5.7 pounds, and my bathroom scale agreed. Most of the weight came off the barrel since Ares Defense decided to ship it with a pencil thin 5.56 barrel instead of something with a little more heft. Considering that the average AR-15 rifle clocks-in at around seven pounds, that’s damn near a pound-and-a-half of weight savings that you don’t have to lug around the field. That’s a good thing – unless that weight savings impacts accuracy.

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Up front the Ares Defense SCR’s all 1950’s tech. In the rear they go a bit old(er) school. Instead of sending the bolt recoil straight back into a buffer tube, it’s directed at an angle downward and into the grip of the Monte Carlo stock. The design means that you can take any standard AR-15 upper receiver and, by swapping only the bolt carrier, you can mate it with the SCR lower receiver group. It opens-up the options for those who can’t have a pistol grip or a collapsible stock. Even a 9″ 300 BLK upper is on the table. In some states.

The stock is the linchpin of the whole operation. It’s a typical polymer Monte Carlo stock, which is to say it feels like it was made in between runs of whiffle ball bats and Ladas. The stock is serviceable but the plastic feels thin. It doesn’t inspire much confidence in the gun’s ruggedness (a.k.a., reliability). Moving inside and we get to another problem.

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Taking down the rifle, I discovered that the bolt carrier is very different from a normal AR-15 bolt carrier. To allow the bolt to recoil downwards like a shotgun, the bolt carrier must also have a pivoting rat tail – just like a shotgun. And much like a shotgun, getting the thing apart is easy. Getting it back together is like trying to keep Robert from telling that story about how he went 200 MPH on the Autobahn.

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To reassemble the rifle back, you need to perfectly align the rat tail’s end with the recoil assembly. The target in this case is very small. The rat tail has a tendency to catch on the rear of the receiver above that assembly, rather than sliding into place just a little lower and allowing the gun to actually function. The good news: you’ll know when you got it wrong because you won’t be able to rack the action. The bad news: it can take some time and practice to get everything all closed up again. It took me damn near 15 minutes (and a knife) to figure that one out.

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The SCR’s trigger is another annoyance. It’s pretty awful, mainly because it’s so stinking heavy. I put the trigger pull at right around seven pounds, and for someone who’s favorite long range rifle’s pull is measured in ounces that’s no bueno. That wouldn’t be so bad if the trigger were replaceable. It’s not. I can accept a proprietary trigger if it’s done well but in this case I would have really preferred something more standard. That said, the design choices on the gun made a drop-in trigger pretty much impossible, so I’ll cut them some slack.

Right. Enough kvetching about the internals, let’s talk about the controls.

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While the SCR is pretty much an AR-15, it picks and chooses from its various heritages. The safety is a prime example. Instead of a traditional AR-15 paddle safety, Ares went with a very retro cross-bar safety. I like it; it fits very well with the hunting-focused nature of the gun, and I like cross-bar safeties in general. There was a flip safety on my Grandfather’s M1 carbine (which is now mine, safe from the hands of my not-so-gun-friendly relatives in New York). The very first order of business was swapping that for an “old new stock” cross-bar safety. In some applications, it just makes more sense to me. Here, I like it.

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The Ares Defense’s SCR trigger isn’t standard due to its placement relative to the receiver. With a rifle like the AR-15 with the pistol grip at the end of the lower receiver, the trigger needs to be more or less right behind the magazine well. As the SCR uses a traditional Monte Carlo stock, the trigger needed to be as far to the rear as possible. (That’s why a more standard trigger wouldn’t work.)

With the SCR’s trigger placement the designers could create a much more gentle slope to the magazine well, and make it slimmer as well. This 10-round magazine would normally be flush with the end of a typical AR-15 magazine well. On the SCR the result is that a 10-rounder looks like a 20-rounder.

Most of the usual controls are either present or modified (like the safety). One notable missing feature: the bolt catch. There’s no last round bolt hold-open feature on this gun. It looks like there’s a plug in the receiver for where one should be. I’m guessing that might still be a work in progress thanks to the tilting rat tail bolt carrier. Hopefully later models will have a hold-open ability, since I sorely missed it.

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There’s another downside to the re-positioned trigger on the other side of the gun: I can’t reach the magazine release. Normally my trigger finger could rest on it. Here I’m a couple inches short. It makes magazine changes a lot slower, but it does still work.

All those minor annoyances are small potatoes compared to my concerns out front.

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Pencil barrels look cool. Mike Pappas loves them, but Mike Pappas is a strange, strange guy. Anyway, pencil barrels have a tendency to move around a lot further – and less predictably – than their heavier counterparts (a lesson the German military is learning with their G36 woes). Pencil barrels save weight, but they lead to inaccuracy. Inaccuracy leads to missing your target. Missing your target leads to the dark side.

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I took the Ares Defense SCR to our usual testing range and set it up at 100 yards with a U.S. Optics scope, some Eagle Eye Ammunition .223 Remington ammo (official ammunition sponsors of TTAG) and gave it my best shot. Shots. The results wasn’t bad.

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Consider everything going against this gun. From the pencil barrel to the heavy trigger, the Ares Defense SCR should have been grouping worse than the SIG SAUER 556xi Russian, but nope. This 4-shot group was the best of the day, with a little over 1.1 MoA extreme spread. My benchmark is a minimum of 1 MoA accuracy for guns over $1,000. Since the SCR is well under that mark I’m pretty happy.

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The SCR shoots very well for an $800 gun. I’d love to see some improvements, like a more solid stock and a better trigger, but this is a good first effort. I love the ingenuity of the operating system, and I love it more for thumbing its nose at legislators and providing all the same functionality of an AR-15 to freedom loving gun owners in not so gun-friendly states. I can’t wait to see Gen 2.

Specifications: Ares Defense SCR

Caliber: 5.56 NATO
Action: Semi-auto
Barrel: 16″
Magazine: One 5-Round Magazine included (takes standard AR mags)
MSRP: $799

Ratings (out of five stars):

Accuracy: * * * *
Pretty good. It could be better with a better trigger.

Ergonomics: * * * *
The stock feels cheap, and the trigger feels heavy. But overall, a traditional stock on a modern firearm is a comfortable thing.

Reliability: * * * * *
No issues. We fired hundreds of rounds without a hiccup.

Customization: * * *
You can swap out half the rifle (the upper receiver) so I’m giving it half stars. The lower is 100% proprietary.

Overall: * * *
This is a cool little gun: slick and useful. Give me a better stock, a better trigger, and a better barrel and we’ve got a whole new ballgame. As-is, I’d keep the SCR in the safe even here in gun-loving Texas. Everyone needs a light ranch gun.

comments

  1. avatar Michael M says:

    Or for the same price you can just buy a Ruger Mini-14, have all the customization already in play with that design, the decades of experience, the Garand gas system, the aftermarket support, and the manufacturer support.

    Yes, the Mini doesn’t have the caliber flexibility that swapping uppers does, but that issue and magazine prices are about the only negatives I can think of.

    Good review though.

    1. avatar Jim R says:

      The Mini-14 is also more expensive. $939-1,075 MSRP. For the price, I’d say the SCR is a decent option.

      1. avatar EagleEyes says:

        The SCR is going for $979.99 at my LGS in upstate NY whereas the Mini 14 is going for $779.99.

        1. avatar Jim R says:

          Was trying to compare apples to apples. Listed MSRP in the article vs listed MSRP on Ruger’s website.

        2. avatar John Hill says:

          They gouge you in NY. Find it online for under $800. Plus mini accuracy out of the box is pretty poor to fair and requires extra $ and or work. The SCR is pretty good from the get go. Having just purchased both, not sure how you can make your argument.

    2. avatar Rokurota says:

      The Mini-14 is a superb gun, but doesn’t use STANAG magazines. And you can find them used for $500-ish.

    3. avatar Dr. No says:

      Yeah, but then you’d own a Mini-14, which takes proprietary magazines, has an overly complex gas system, costs more, and is well known to be horribly inaccurate.

    4. avatar JJ says:

      Michael, I own both. I would never recommend the Ruger over the Ares. My mini 14 is recent and the groups are insanely larger. You cannot compare these two rifles. The Ares beats the Ruger by a mile

      1. avatar Dan Hartman says:

        Together with my buddies, we own mini 14, mini 30, a couple different AR platforms and the most recent addition is the Ares. I live in CT so it was Ares or Mini. The magazine loading ease would be enough for the Ares to win. Accuracy, Ares again, in fact not even close (yes our mini’s have accu-struts and every possible add on helper and they are still surprisingly sloppy). Flexibility for upper customization is a screaming win for Ares. Optics on mini is a challenge. I went full float 15″ forend on the Ares and my friends (and range master) were floored. Ruger needs step up their game.

    5. avatar Bryan says:

      The mini also has shitty accuracy. It’s just straight up a “no buy” for many people.

  2. avatar AllAmerican says:

    That’s an interesting concept with the bolt going into the stock like that. It looks similar to how the FAL bolt works.

  3. avatar David says:

    Nick,

    Please enlighten me on how this is better than a keltec su-16 series. It seems very similar. However, it looks like KT has been doing it cheaper and slightly lighter for awhile now.

    1. avatar Nick Leghorn says:

      This gun accepts standard AR-15 upper receivers, opening up a huge world of possibilities for customization.

      The SU-16 has a single Picatinny rail for some optics, which is about the extent of customization for it.

      1. avatar Steve s says:

        I own a Keltec SU16C . Great barrel, great gun. Enjoy. Shooting it when I’ve got range time.

      2. avatar TonyJude says:

        Well, the SU-16 has an available AR stock adapter in addition to a manufacturer offered quad rail. It has a bit more going for it than just a single top rail.

      3. avatar Tim T. says:

        Also,

        In places like CT, the Keltecs are banned by name in their AWB unfortunately.

        1. avatar Mike B. says:

          The only sure cure for CT gun bans is to call a Realtor.

    2. avatar Vitsaus says:

      If you have to ask how ANYTHING is better than a Kel Tec, you might need a new hobby.

      1. avatar int19h says:

        Kel-Tec is better than a lot of things. Pretty much any IO Inc gun, for example.

        In general, Kel-Tec (and Taurus) get bad rap mostly due to shitty QC. If you get one, it’s either a lemon, or it works. But you only hear from people who got lemons, and there are enough of them that it’s really loud. Those of us who have them working fine are drowned out.

        1. avatar Joe R. says:

          +1 The SU-16C can also be had with a threaded barrel (for about the same price). It folds up very nicely into a range bag and can be fired (and reload full-size mags) in the folded position.

          According to the Kel-Tec owners I know, CT is banned, and they can all go to the hot place and wait there to be someone’s beotch there too.

  4. avatar pwrserge says:

    While I have zero interest in another 5.56×45 rifle, something about this weapon… intrigues me. I think it’s just the amazing middle finger it gives to all the gun grabbers. In the mean time, we need to keep churning out actual ARs so that they get to be so common, there is zero chance of successfully banning them.

    1. avatar Scrubula says:

      It’s already at that point. Most popular rifle in the US. Having even more isn’t going to change the anti gun bias of most major news sources.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        When one out of ten people in the country own an AR, that’s when we can be sure that no “assault weapons” ban that includes them will ever pass, or if it does, will never be practical to enforce. I’m one of those civil disobedience types. You can pass any birdcage liner you want, I am under no obligation to obey an unjust law.

  5. avatar Scrubula says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnDsNTi4nmM

    Pencil barrels are perfectly fine when manufactured correctly.

  6. avatar actionphysicalman says:

    Robert should buy Nick a scale.

  7. avatar Bill Kohnke says:

    I think Kel-Tec beat them to it by over a decade. It’s called the SU-16.

    1. avatar int19h says:

      SU-16 is a fine rifle for what it is (and esp. the price), but it’s its own thing, and is not compatible with AR in any way. This one lets you slap pretty much any random AR upper, and use all the customization opportunities associated with that.

  8. avatar ScottS says:

    What up with the orange finger? Is that for shooting Airsoft guns?

    1. avatar Nick Leghorn says:

      I shanghai’ed one of the local range officers into being a model for me. He apparently just got finished painting some steel targets bright orange,

      1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

        Yeah, was going to ask about that. heh.

  9. avatar Xanthro says:

    Thanks to “assault weapons bans” (AWB), shooters in New York, California, Hawaii and other so-called “slave states” can’t take advantage of their Constitutionally protected right to sample the latest in firearms technology. The only guns [legally] available are often less accurate firearms that cost more money
    ———————-
    I live in California. There isn’t a modern sporting rifle type available that isn’t for sale here. The only difference is centerfire has to have a bullet button so a tool is required to remove the magazine.
    Rimfire does not have this requirement. You can have a rimfire standard lower, without the bullet button, and any uppers you want, but it would be illegal to mate the centerfire upper to the rimfire lower.
    I have a large number of ARs in pretty much every common caliber.
    What is hard to get in California are handguns, not rifles or shotguns.

    1. avatar John L. says:

      Not arguing with anything you say.

      However, speaking as someone who started learning about guns as an adult, in California … the way my class’s instructors portrayed it, getting an AR-type rifle would be more of an ordeal than getting a pistol.

      1. avatar Will says:

        You haven’t been to a gun show, gun store, or a range at all recently then. At a glance, it would be easy to think there’s no AWB at all within California.

        Make no mistake, there is, but at a practical level, there isn’t. The issue about pistols is much more manifest here than ugly gun ban.

      2. avatar Xanthro says:

        Your instructor is wrong, or you misunderstood.
        Getting an AR-15 style rifle is much much easier that getting a handgun. There are almost no AR-15 vendors not doing work in California. All that they need to is add a bullet button instead of the standard magazine release.
        Yet, you can’t buy a Ruger SR9, because they are not on the handgun roster.
        Until this year, buying a rifle didn’t even require a test, but handguns did. Plus, there is a handling test to take possession of a handgun. You have to show you can load and unload the handgun.
        Walk into any gun store and you’ll see a number of AR-15s for sale, yet many common handguns will be missing.

        1. avatar Gatha58 says:

          Sounds to me like the legislators in CA, CT, NY and a few other places are ignorant, mentally ill and/or shills for the gun grabber political system. Very possibly all 3. Either vote them out of office or move to a free state. That bullet button idea is about the most retarded law I have heard of yet. Only allows an insane person to kill 10 people, right? But, if this insane person has some mechanical skills he/she can convert it back easily. After that, only the victims are restricted to 10 shots and out of ammo. How crazy can laws get ?

      3. avatar Mark N. says:

        Take a bone stock AR, remove the mag release button (no tools needed), install California bullet button ($15) (small screw driver needed), and in 5 minutes, you have a legal California AR. Other than the 10 round mag, no other modifications are necessary, and customization is the same as any other AR except for bump fire or folding stocks. Collapsible stocks are legal as long as the minimum required length is maintained with the stock fully collapsed. Barrel length has to be sixteen inches (can be shorter if the required length is reached with the muzzle device, but if this is the case, the device must be pinned).

    2. avatar Kyle in CT says:

      ARs are totally off the table in CT. Your options are basically this or a mini, and the mini can only be had if the muzzle device is pinned.

    3. avatar Anon in CT says:

      Sadly, the legislators out here got wise to the Bullet Button trick, so for us handguns are relatively easy to get (grabagun.com and AIM Surplus will pull the mags from any gun not offered with 10 rounders), but real ARs are out. I’d like to see a .308 version of this ACS with the fixes noted by Nick.

  10. avatar Billy says:

    Hmmm…maybe make a .308 version. It has the potential to be a very nice little handy rifle.

    1. avatar Dave in WA says:

      It appears to already be available in .308.

      http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729

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  12. avatar pc_load_letter says:

    I handled one just this last weekend at a local Turners store. It felt really nice. Easy to control and point. Felt very good in the hands.

    Being an owner of pre-ban (CA magazine ban) 30 round magazines, this rifle is really tickling my buying bone.

    I am glad they are now selling the lower by itself. Can’t wait to put one of my uppers on it.

    Some people have been interested in testing the Faxon piston upper with this system, that might be interesting and eliminate the bolt carrier issue and perhaps allow for alternate stocks to be modded on.

  13. avatar hobbez says:

    Is the bolt swappable on these? So you can use an upper in a larger caliber?

  14. avatar DrVino says:

    Given that rack grade ARs shoot 4 MOA, this thing shoots well.
    If you want a more ergonomic safety, mag release and a BHO, why not consider a comparably priced Mini14?

    1. avatar Mike in NC says:

      For an AR owner: Magazines.

      1. avatar DrVino says:

        There are 20 and 30 rd mags for the mini14.

        I see two options: buy a lot of those or buy STANAG and learn to run this gun as is.

        I suspect that some body will come up with aftermarket triggers mag release extensions and other upgrade performance parts. With time.

      2. avatar int19h says:

        If magazines are the only thing you care about, SU-16 is the most cost efficient option.

  15. avatar PH says:

    I have an scr and love it. All the new ones ship with their new 4.5 to 5lb trigger and it is very good

  16. avatar Desert Ranger says:

    Nick,

    You’re wrong about Hawaii. We can and do own standard ARs, Aks, and all kinds of fun modern sporting rifles in their original configuration. We are limited in the magazines for pistols (10 rounds) and no NFA items or Ar pistols. This does suck but is NO WHERE NEAR California or NY. Please correct your post. Mahalo.

    1. avatar Nick Leghorn says:

      Robert added Hawaii as an edit to my original article. I have now removed that.

      1. avatar Desert Ranger says:

        Thanks! No one wants to be associated with the anti-gun monkeys in NY or Cali…

  17. avatar Davis Thompson says:

    I’ll stick to a NY compliant AR with the FRS 15 stock. Legal, accurate and all parts interchangeable with any other AR. Except the stock, of course. No good for CT though.

  18. avatar FoRealz? says:

    I think the Troy PAR is cooler than this but I applaud all efforts to help those behind the lines.

  19. avatar Alan says:

    Area SCR owner here: they have actually addressed two of your concerns already. The is a bolt catch you can add after the fact. Simple slide in paddle catch. As for the trigger, they originally shipped them with a close to 8-10lb trigger, recently they tooled up a trigger closer to 5lbs. It’s a free modification for anyone who has the heavier trigger, just gotta send it back.

  20. avatar Royal Tony says:

    Definitely want one of these whenever the wooden stock model they spoke of comes out.

  21. avatar MojoRonin says:

    I’d love to see a head to head match-up / review of the SCR, Mini-14, SU -16, and any other Kommiefornia compliant 5.56mm rifles .

  22. avatar Almost Esq. says:

    I am glad some one is finally marketing firearms to those of us that live in slave states. That said, I am sick of living in a slave state, and plan on moving ASAP to the free state of SC. The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia has come a long way since Reagan was governor. As for me and my house, since Governor Reagan is no longer on the ballot, we are voting with our feet!

    1. avatar TTFA says:

      Reagan? Oh right, Reagan, that governor who signed the Mulford Act which prohibited Californians from carrying firearms on their person, vehicles, or in public places. And the same Reagan who gave California the 15-day waiting period to buy guns. Maybe climb down off your partisan high-horse, admit that Ronnie (and Republicans overall) aren’t somehow special magical buddies of gun owners.

      Setting aside partisan chest-beating, this is a pretty neat rifle. The Mini-14 is what it is, but what it is is all it’s going to be. If you plan to do a lot of shooting rather than carry it all day and take three shots at coyotes, you can’t just switch your Mini to an upper with a heavier barrel. You can buy your Mini in one of three chamberings, and can’t change it without massive custom gunsmithing costs. And the Mini is not at all famed for accuracy.

      I’m surprised that this article is out of date for being so recent: the current-issue SCR trigger is half what it was, and the bolt hold open is a drop-in $40 part (as another poster noted). A bit off that TTAG is reviewing this in its older guise after the largest complaints have been addressed. Ares also says they’re just weeks away from releasing a drop-on iron sights set for these.

      All that aside, I don’t find the stock upper very appealing, but with a good drop-on upper this thing looks pretty cool. The stocks are 870/1100 stocks modified with a channel to accept that rat-tail recoil spring, so some folks have already home-modified wooden stocks for these, and hopefully a company will soon hop on making drop-in aftermarket stocks for these by slightly modding 870 stocks. I’m totally on-board with the above poster who wants to see this done up in retro guise.

  23. avatar ChrisCicc says:

    What software/app is that?

  24. avatar int19h says:

    Someone needs to do a build of this with wood furniture and a retro-looking 20″ upper (no forward assist or dust cover, and no rails on the handguard, just wood all the way).

  25. avatar Chris says:

    Meh, doesn’t get me excited. The only thing this gun ban in CT has done is save me money, I already own cooler stuff not interested.

    I’d rather put $900 towards a house out of state so I can buy much cooler modern military rifles.

  26. avatar JWM says:

    In CA amilitary grade auto loader is available on the used market. I had the SKS until I traded out for a shotgun. We can also get the M1 and the M1a. No need for combat tupperware.

    I haven’t seen one on the shelves for a while, maybe they stopped selling them here, but Saiga had a decent “sporting” version of the ak that looked somewhat like this new rifle. My son had one in 7.62×39. It was a decent “battle” rifle.

  27. avatar Andy says:

    I’m not exactly clear how complying with nonsense legislation is the same as giving government the finger.

    To me it feels more like bowing to your master.

    JMHO.

  28. avatar ODGreenThumb says:

    I liked it better when it was called a Saiga sporting rifle.

  29. avatar alpo says:

    Just to add to the “you got my state wrong” posts:

    In NJ, ARs are perfectly legal. Our restrictions are:
    -No NFA
    -15 round max capacity removable mags
    -And only one other “evil feature”* allowed.
    —————————————————
    *You have to choose between
    ·Pistol grip
    ·Collapsible stock
    ·Flash hider (pinned muzzle brake is legal)
    ·Threaded barrel
    ·Bayo lug
    Obviously everyone goes with pistol grip.

    1. avatar Gatha58 says:

      Those “evil feature” choices are probably some of the most idiotic things I have ever hear. How do these legislators come up with this stuff ? How do any of these features have anything to do with crime, mass killings or keeping the children safe. Think there needs to be an IQ or common sense test for anyone that holds an elected position. That is a law I could get behind.

  30. avatar James K says:

    I bought the SCR Lower and put a Anderson Mfg Upper on it at a total cost of $900 with MBUS Sights. I have put 500 rounds through it without a single malfunction. I like this setup more than the standard AR15.

  31. avatar Robbie says:

    I own an SCR… and I bought the bolt release quite awhile ago….and put it in with a drop of blue weld bond…. keeps it in really well. I also put a Ranier Raptor ambidextrous charging handle of it… that made it work really nice…. and they installed a new 5 lb trigger that is nice and crisp and smooth… it should even get better once it is broken in….. But I love the gun… some one said an SU 16 beat them… but I couldn’t own that gun in New York… to me it just looks like an everyday rife and that is great….. I am also putting an ambidextrous magazine release so that I can hold the gun on my shoulder, hit the release and take out the magazine with my left and reload. They also just release the gas type upper instead of the impingement…. but not spending that much money…. this works perfectly…. love love love the gun….

    1. avatar zack says:

      I dont know why more of this type of rifle haven’t shown up from some of the major gun MFG’s yet. they are missing the boat with so many places having bans on AR style rifles simply due to their Stocks and pistol grips. It really cracks me up when I think of how “Sheep” like everyone is. its so bad that these companies wont consider offering this type of Gun because everyone wants the “Cool” factor of a traditional “Assault” style rifle.
      I just want to f***ing shoot, and I want an AFFORDABLE, semi auto, Mag fed, .223 / 5.56 rifle… With a Monte Carlo style butt stock made of wood or, plastic or, fiberglass or even ground up coffee cans, dirt and epoxy… whatever! But Noooo… being stuck here in the great liberal cupcake, Nanny State of CT. We only have three choices, Expensive and OK or expensive and worse than OK or Overly expensive Pre-bans.

  32. avatar Rick Eyerly says:

    Interesting idea.

  33. avatar Terry says:

    neat concept

  34. avatar Joe R. says:

    That just means that NY’ers are still obligated to go to war with their state before going to war with anyone else in a Civil War, or war with China. Good on ya’. We blame you NY. If you-‘ins was on fire you better hope someone else has to pee. Maybe we can defund AMTRAK and that’ll drain (the deep end of) your swamp.

    Laws of Nature:
    1) the dumb must suffer
    2) suffer in silence

  35. avatar SouthernPhantom says:

    I want one of these with a .50 Beowulf upper, because reasons.

  36. avatar zack says:

    I dont get it… with all the different companies out there who make AR style rifles, Can’t one of them at least make an AR WITHOUT the Pistol grip? and a non folding / collapsible / thumb hole stock?? With all the shooters in all the states who have banned the so called “Assault” weapons, you’d think this would be a no brainier for the companies who want to make more $$$ while also doing all of us who are trapped in these god forsaken Liberal Nanny states!
    Yeah we could buy a Mini and just “Deal” with its short falls, Or buy this Ares with all its “Cons” for $900.00 or wait for then buy a Pre Ban AR or AK for $1500.00 – $2000.00 but why? I see AR style rifles on line that are way more affordable and probably better or at least as good as this Rifle. Im ready to buy an AR and cut the damn pistol grip off it myself! lol

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