Sandy Hook Advisory Commission Releases Its Final Report: 18 Gun Control Recommenations

Sandy Hook Elementary School (courtesy cnn.com)

Whenever a government agency releases information on a Friday afternoon you can bet that they’re trying to downplay bad or unpopular news. In the case of the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission’s 277-page final report, the document is roughly the same as the draft released last month – aside from 18 gun control recommendations (listed below). In the main, the report remains anti-gun in extremis. Before any discussion of Adam Lanza’s obvious untreated mental illness, it launches into a rant against gun ownership in general and “assault weapons” in specific. Like this [paragraph breaks added] . . .

United States civilians own or possess in excess of 300 million guns: as of 2009, they owned or possessed approximately 114 million handguns, million rifles and 86 million shotguns. The incidence of gun ownership/possession in the United States nearly one gun on average for every resident—is the highest in the world. Most guns are lawfully owned by law abiding persons who use them for recreational activities, such as hunting and target practice, and/or for self-defense. However, many guns are owned or possessed illegally or, even if legal, are used for unlawful purposes.

Beyond the sheer number of guns in the United States, the lethality of readily available firearms and ammunition continues to increase. The connection between the extent of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the lethality [their emphasis] of weapons used in the attack on the school is self-evident and beyond dispute.

The Commission is deeply concerned about the proliferation, throughout the civilian population, of weapons that were specifically designed for military use during wartime. ―Assault weapons‖ like the AR-15, as well as large capacity magazines often used with those weapons, have no legitimate place in the civilian population. The Commission finds that the cost to society of easy civilian access to assault weapons and large capacity magazines vastly outweighs the benefits of civilian ownership.

By contrast, the Commission finds that the significant benefit to society from eliminating civilian ownership and possession of assault weapons and large capacity magazines can be realized with only a minimal burden on persons who want to hunt, engage in target practice or use weapons for self-defense. They remain free to engage in those activities with a vast array of long guns and handguns.

In short, the Commission‘s first goal is simply to limit the possession and use of weapons designed for wartime use to members of our military services and law enforcement personnel.

And there I was thinking that the goal of the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission was to recommend effective ways to avoid or combat future school shootings. ‘Cause this ain’t it. It’s like trying to ban cars to eliminate drunk driving.

It gets worse. Instead of directly addressing the educational, social services and mental health systems’ repeated, abject and decade-long failure to address Adam Lanza’s obvious psychosis, the report makes general statements on how to improve these systems.

Rather than mine A.L.‘s life and interactions with particular mental health systems for insights into how those systems can better serve the state‘s children, however, the Commission had a different charge. It was tasked to study the systems themselves . . .

While discerning no clear answers to the question of what role A.L.‘s behavioral health challenges played in the violence he ultimately inflicted, the Commission nonetheless turns its attention to what we have learned about the role of mental disorder in violent events.

That’s like saying instead of examining the commanders’ and soldiers’ actions during a disastrous battle we should examine our military as a whole. Epic. Fail. No really. The Commission didn’t even try to address the central issues of active shooter prevention and, most importantly, appropriate reaction.

The Commission contends that, while it is not yet possible to prevent such events from taking place or to insulate people from the suffering that ensues, there is much that governments, schools and other institutions can do to facilitate an effective and humane response.

“Safe School Design” is all well and good, but institutionalizing Lanza or firing a bullet into his brain as he approached the school would have been extremely effective at preventing the Sandy Hook mass shooting. Sigh. I didn’t expect much from this politically correct exercise in post-facto security theater, but I sure hoped for more. Here are their inevitable, regrettable gun control proposals, none of which would have prevented Lanza’s onslaught.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 1. Mandatory background checks on the sale or transfer of any firearm, including long guns, at private and gun show sales. Status: Recommendation accepted and adopted by P.A. 13-3, § 1.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 2. Require registration, including a certificate of registration, for every firearm. This certificate of registration should be issued subsequent to the completion of a background check and is separate and distinct from a permit to carry.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 3. Require firearms permits to be renewed on a regular basis. This renewal process should include a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of applicable laws and regulations. Status: Not adopted.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 4. Institute a ban on the sale, possession, or use of any magazine or ammunition feeding device in excess of 10 rounds except for military and police use. In proposing this recommendation, the Commission recognized that certain sporting events at times involve the use of higher capacity magazines. However, the consensus of the Commission was that the spirit of sportsmanship can be maintained with lower capacity magazines.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 5. Institute a ban on the possession or sale of all armor-piercing and incendiary bullets, regardless of caliber. First-time offenses should be classified as a Class D Felony.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 6. Allow ammunition purchases only for registered firearms.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 7. Evaluate best practices for determining the regulation or prohibition of the sale and purchase of ammunition via the Internet.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 8. Evaluate the effectiveness of federal law in limiting the purchase of firearms via the Internet to only those individuals who have passed the appropriate background screening.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 9. Limit the amount of ammunition that can be purchased at any given time.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 10. Prohibit the possession, sale or transfer of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds without reloading. This prohibition would extend to military-style firearms as well as handguns. Law enforcement and military would be exempt from this ban.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 11. Require that trigger locks must be provided at the time of sale or transfer of any firearm

RECOMMENDATION NO. 12. Require that the state develop and update a ―best practices‖ manual and require that all firearms in a home be stored in a locked container and adhere to these best practices; with current minimum standards featuring a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety (including biometric) device when they are not under the owner’s direct control or supervision. The owner should also be directly responsible for securing any key used to gain access to the locked container.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 13. Require non-residents seeking to purchase a firearm or ammunition in the State of Connecticut to obtain a Certificate of Eligibility and conform to all other regulations applicable to Connecticut residents.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 14. Require gun clubs to report any negligent or reckless behavior with a firearm, or illegal possession of any firearm or magazine, to the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Commissioner of Public Safety, and local law enforcement.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 15. Requiring promoters of gun shows to receive a permit from the Chief of Police or Chief Elected Official as well as provide notice to the Commissioner of the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 16. Require that any shell casing for ammunition sold or possessed in Connecticut have a serial number laser etched on it for tracing purposes.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 17. Any person seeking a license to sell, purchase or carry any type of firearm in the state should be required to pass a suitability screening process.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 18. To allow, at a judge’s discretion, the opportunity to temporarily remove any firearms, ammunition, and carry permits from a person who is the subject of an ex parte restraining order, civil protection order or family violence protective order, at the time of the issuance of that order. The Commission believes that the time period between the ex parte request and the issuance of a full restraining order, civil protection order or family violence protective order, constitutes a period of critical danger, one that must be recognized under law and addressed via judicial discretion.

comments

  1. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    So where is the proof of legal guns used illegally? Blah blah blah…

  2. avatar Sixpack70 says:

    Massive critical thinking fail by the comission. This is my surprised face.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      This was not a critical thinking failure: it is proselytizing … trying to convince all of us to embrace gun control and the Almighty State.

      I found the following particularly offensive and disturbing:

      The Commission finds that the cost to society of easy civilian access to [fill in the blank with anything] vastly outweighs the benefits of civilian ownership.

      I seriously hope people understand how far reaching and incredibly dangerous that sort of attitude is.

      1. avatar Davis Thompson says:

        And later they carve out exemptions to their rules for LEOs and the military. Wonder what that’s about…

  3. avatar LarryinTX says:

    Only one change could have prevented or minimized this tragedy. ONLY ONE! And it has nothing to do with gun control, since the killer could have just as well murdered a policeman to get guns, rather than his own mother. The only change which could have changed the outcome IN ANY WAY, is to arm teachers. Also the only suggestion completely ignored by MSM, BHO, and doofus Holder. None of the included “suggestions” would have altered the outcome at Sandy Hook in any way, positive or negative.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      “And it has nothing to do with gun control, since the killer could have just as well murdered a policeman to get guns, rather than his own mother.”

      I had the exact same thought. It would be exceedingly easy to ambush an unsuspecting police officer and then use their “patrol rifle” to act out their spree killing.

      1. avatar Toby in KS says:

        I had a conversation with a police officer in a convenience store the week of the Sandy Hook shooting who had a similar observation. In his eyes, gun control of any kind, no matter how drastic, could not have stopped Lanza. He then proceeded to school me in 5 or 6 ways Lanza could have been even more efficient in his demonic spree **without ever using a gun of any sort.** The methods this officer described to me required $10 or less. The one method that stood out the most (because it was horrifying, and readily available to everyone) involved a plastic milk jug, a chain, and half a gallon of gas. His point: if you want to stop people like Lanza, you will have to ban everything, OR identify the guilty before they commit the crime.

        Neither can be done. If a person thinks it is possible to do so, or that it is good to attempt such a thing, that person invites the Orwellian State, and/or even worse. Then, who is the terrorist in the equation? The ONLY reasonable solution is to stop them (“Lanzas” and Orwellians) before they can do much damage by arming EVERYONE (especially people like teachers and theater personnel) and voting for politicians committed to shrinking government.

  4. avatar Greg says:

    I am a retired teacher. Yes, I was still teaching when Sandy Hook happened.
    My colleagues were up in arms about guns and people shooting others with them.

    What they were not upset about is the lack of security through out our schools. That tragedy may or may not have been prevented if, I don’t know if the school even had an electronic locking system and camera to monitor who is at each entrance? From what I gather Lanza was armed, not hiding anything. A savy person in the office could have locked the doors and started a lockdown.

    Second, middle schools and high schools where I taught have resource officers who are usually policemen or retired policemen who carry a side arm.
    Imagine , a resource officer being at Sandy Hook then. I don’t know if tragedy would have been prevented, but I bet the resource officer would have played a key role in securing the building and maybe even Lanza himself.

    Back to my colleagues and their statements. They were on the warpath about guns. What I believe everyone should be on the war path about is. The lack of security in our schools. Guns are not going away so why address the issue. The NRA and other advocate groups will prevent that from happening. Hell, if anything should have gotten gun legislation passed, Sandy Hook should have.

    Yes, I am a gun owner responding to this article. My question to the anti gun people is , is it better to push for gun control laws or is it better to push for increased security in our schools.

    Greg Cupec

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      Plenty of moronic feel good BS though. ID badges for teachers/employees, video cameras, locked front door with entrance buzzer. And the winner – the “school resource officer/mediocre cop.

      Never enough funding for gov;t schools but always enough for useless crap.

    2. avatar johnb says:

      A.L. shot out the window next to the entry door…the school my kids are in would be no different.

      That said, I don’t want my kids going to school in a prison…the changes implemented at our school this year bring it close to that…and truly offers no greater “protection” to the same style of attack.

      Random and unknown armed individuals and the simple knowledge of their existence (or possibility there of) would be more deterrent than a locked door….imho.

      I have two sisters that are teachers, and teach part time at the tech school myself…thankfully, “we” are all in agreement…some of our co-workers are not.

    3. avatar BlueBronco says:

      The doors to the school were locked. Lanza brook through a window. There are images of the doors and window out there. The staff didn’t just let him enter. He forced his way in.

      http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/25/article-2513067-19A4C11D00000578-933_634x418.jpg

      http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/600×40213.jpg

    4. avatar Marcus (Aurelius) Payne says:

      Or we could do nothing and understand that the deaths from school shootings are more than offset by the lives saved with civilian owned firearms. I’m sure this holds true even if you only count children in the same age range.

    5. avatar Jake Tallman says:

      Physical security is great and all, but how realistic is it to think that could actually be done? Think of the insane cost of improving the building security of every public school in the country. There’s just no money for it. Whereas that would cost hundreds of thousands or even millions per school, you could spend 5 grand per school on a good safe, quality ammo, spare magazines, and a few AR pattern rifles to keep in each main office. In a perfect world, both of these could be done. But we don’t live in a perfect world, and budgets are a very real concern.

  5. avatar Ryan says:

    Every day, in a miriad of ways, liberals show us again and again that they cannot tell the difference between good guys and bad guys.

    1. avatar Accur81 says:

      To them, any civilian who owns any firearm is a bad guy.

      1. avatar Chip in Florida says:

        To them anyone who thinks (or looks, or acts) differently is a bad guy.

  6. avatar Anonymous says:

    Full Nazi.

    The Commission is deeply concerned about the proliferation, throughout the civilian population, of weapons that were specifically designed for military use during wartime. ―Assault weapons‖ like the AR-15, as well as large capacity magazines often used with those weapons, have no legitimate place in the civilian population.

    No. 1
    Uh… target practice with an AR15 utilizing a “standard” capacity 30rd mag is a legitimate use. Saying they have no legitimate place is ridiculous.

    Dear Commission:
    le·git·i·mate: (adjective) conforming to the law or to rules.

    No. 2
    “Specifically designed for military use during wartime?” Uh – no. Specifically designed for civilian use as a sporting rifle:

    In 1963, Colt started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian use and the term has been used to refer to semiautomatic-only versions of the rifle since then. Please educate yourself on factual history. AR-15’s were never intended or supplied to the military and were never designed for “military” use during “wartime.” The military version and the civilian version are very different.

    Total lies and misinformation.

    1. avatar johnb says:

      Wasn’t there a recent (mid 2014) request for bid by DHS for “personal defense weapons”…except with select fire, of course.

    2. avatar I1uluz says:

      They believe that “AR” stands for Assault Rifle, instead of the shorten version of Armalite Rifle. Proving once again no matter how much education you have you can still be a complete moron.

    3. avatar Lib lurker says:

      When you say very different, do you mean the fully automatic option that is almost never used by the military?

      I think there are a lot of good arguments to be made here. But I have never understood claiming that is a major difference In the face of many people who say it is seldom used in the military

      1. avatar Yellow Devil says:

        Most people who have been in the military can attest that full automatic or burst is hardly every used on a M16/M4 rifle. The only time in the Army I ever used burst for my rifle was on the range, to shoot off excess ammo. Even in “shoot house” scenarios we usually stuck to semi. Of course machines guns such as M249s, M240Bs, or the 50 Cal are different beasts altogether.

  7. avatar Mike says:

    I said what may overlords wanted me to say. Can I get my fat paycheck now? And Ambassadorship too?

  8. avatar Another Robert says:

    So damn tiresome. NO ORGANIZED MILITARY IN THE WORLD USES THE CIVILIAN AR-15. Idiocy like that ought to render everything else in the report not credible. Is there not one person who actually knows anything about guns ever included in these hotsy-totsy commissions?

    1. avatar Another Robert says:

      Well, I answered my own question–two of the members of this particular brain trust are former police chiefs. Now tell me with a straight face that THEY don’t know the difference between civilian and military rifles. But hell, maybe they don’t…

      1. avatar Mike_M says:

        Police chiefs. Consider how one becomes a police chief. It’s not an elected position. It’s a contract government position. A person that doesn’t fall in line with their superiors does not rise to the top in such a setting. By the time they make it to the chief position they are all pressed into the same mold; their days of using common sense on the streets long behind them. They are selected and paid to tow the party line as police chiefs just as they were selected and paid for the monotonously predictable outcome of this commission.

  9. avatar Don't Tread on Me says:

    18 recommendations, none would have prevented this. This ‘commission’ did a terrible job. Everyone who reads this is dumber for doing so. I award them no points, and may god have mercy on their souls.

    1. avatar Jack says:

      Everyone who believed that anyone died at Sandy Hook is also dumb 🙂

  10. avatar Albaniaaaah says:

    aaaaaaand none of those Fascist ideas wouldve stopped lanzA

  11. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Serial number for every cartridge sold?
    Um
    Uh

    Bwahahahahahaha…. Ow. I just pulled a rib laughing.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      G.Gordon Liddy tells the story of the time in the Nixon administration when that very proposal was made.

      Liddy (who was an active-duty FBI agent at the time, for you kids who never heard of him… Google him, fascinating guy) walked into the office of the moron who drafted that proposal and dumped a handful of 22lr on the desk in front of him.

      “Where do you suggest we put the numbers?” Liddy said.

      Liddy said the look on that guy’s face was priceless.

      According to Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, on September 15, 1994, Liddy stated:

      “If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they’re wearing flak jackets and you’re better off shooting for the head.”

    2. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

      New York is requiring all ammunition sales must be logged into a database. They have spent over 10 million dollars on the project and it has been 3 years since the law was passed, but no database yet. Stupid measures like these are just a matter of time.

      1. avatar JWM says:

        During the height of the gca 68 madness we had to, nationwide, sign in a ledger for every box of ammo we bought. Show id, have info printed into a ledger book.

        Total pita and to the best of my knowledge no crime was ever solved with the info.

  12. avatar JasonM says:

    RECOMMENDATION NO. 16. Require that any shell casing for ammunition sold or possessed in Connecticut have a serial number laser etched on it for tracing purposes.

    That is the most awesome, shark-jumping gun control idea I have ever heard! Every .22 case should have a serial number on it. Of course those numbers will have to be well over 10 digits to allow every round of ammo produced to have a unique number. We can fit that on a .22, right?
    And just think, if they had put that in place before the Sandy Hook shooting, they would have been able to easily trace the rounds fired back to Adam Lanza and his mom.

    I suggest we use an RFID tag embedded in every bullet instead. The tags are small, have 492-bit numbers (large enough to individually number every particle in the universe an ump-tilion times over), and can probably survive the impact some of the time.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      And don’t forget bullets! Hand loaders load their own bullets so we have to etch a serial number on every bullet. Oh, and then we have those muzzleloaders that don’t use any casings. We have to etch a serial number on those bullets as well.

      And what about propellant (powder)? I think we need a unique serialized chemical signature for every container of propellant that anyone ever sells as well.

    2. avatar Lib lurker says:

      I think actually it could easily be done with a 2d bar code

      Technology has advanced since Nixon
      Not that I think it a good idea

  13. avatar mlloyd says:

    recommendation #19 Kiss my ass.

    1. avatar CoolHand says:

      THIS!!!

      Dear Lord, 1,000X THIS!!!

      The proper response to this kind of fascist bullshit is always, “FU,NQ”.

  14. avatar John E> says:

    It was progressives that moved for deinstitutionalization in the late 80’s. This resulted in hands tied when dealing with decompensating patients. The money never followed the patients into the community either.

  15. avatar GS650G says:

    Right now bad people are hoping this comes to pass.

  16. avatar Davis Thompson says:

    None of this fascist bulls**t would have stopped the Newtown shooter. Or the Aurora shooter, or the Navy Yard, VA Tech, Ford Hood I and II and on and on and on and on. These aren’t recommendations to make society safer, this is the end game of the gun control lobby (minus the bans and confiscation of all privately held guns) on garish display.

  17. avatar James says:

    Denial is not just a river in Africa. It is apparently a way of life. Talk about trying to forge your fantasy world into reality. I guess reality was too hard or more likely too inconvenient to face for the commission. So they barfed out this fantasy document hoping everyone will have forgotten the reality of what happened that day.

    We live in dangerous times when we have such a large group of people who believe their own deluded fantasy world can be made reality because it makes them feel better. Eliot Rodger has this constant dis connect between his perceived should be fantasy life and his reality actual life. We all know how that worked out.

  18. avatar scooter says:

    I am a high school teacher. I am a parent of three, one in middle school and two in elementary. I hold three degrees. In my professional and personal opinion the most important words in this article that perfectly summarize the report and recommendations are “EPIC” and “FAIL.” Well reported derp from the derpartment of public derping to hurr durr summary: “Guns are bad, m’kay?”

  19. avatar johnb says:

    I’d love to hear from the “commission” how each and every one of these so-called recommendations would prevent anything. Clearly guided by emotion, ideology and a little sprinkling of hate. I wonder which name I’d be called first for posing such a question.

    While they mention the increasing gun ownership numbers in the US, they ignore the decreasing death rate.

    I have two boys in grade school….it angers me that such idiots have any state sponsored platform from which to speak.

    1. avatar Another Robert says:

      Ya know, after all that yammering about those uber-dangerous “assault weapons ” (which even they put in scare-quotes, oddly enough), they actually quote a statistic to the effect that only two out of thousands of gun-related homicides in Disconnected-cut involved rifles. So, of course, they go on to conclude that the scary rifles are still uber-bad. It’s like they don’t even read what they are writing themselves.

  20. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    Crock-o-shit…

  21. avatar DickDanger says:

    “However, the consensus of the Commission was that the spirit of sportsmanship can be maintained with lower capacity magazines.”
    I think this statement highlights this article pretty well; Bureaucrats with no real knowledge of the subject they’ll trying to regulate.

  22. avatar DRD says:

    So, they want CT to be just like CA?

  23. avatar Norman says:

    “the Commission finds that the significant benefit to society from eliminating civilian ownership and possession of assault weapons and large capacity magazines can be realized with only a minimal burden on persons who want to hunt, engage in target practice or use weapons for self-defense.” As I recall, the 2nd Amendment states, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”…it does NOT state, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall be infringed with only a minimal burden on persons who want to hunt, engage in target practice or use weapons for self-defense.”

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      I guess the Commission didn’t get the memo?

  24. avatar John says:

    and here we go again ,no where in the commission report have we brought up docs and big pharma putting screwballs on mindbenders, when they know the lethal side effects, it says on the bottles or manufacturers websites of many of these drugs,side effects, homicidal ideation ,yet they continue to hand them out freely ,,when are they going to be held accountable,,,,” we cant hear that we have shareholders to report to ” and it goes on and on . and just who was on this sad sack commision anyway?

  25. avatar PavePusher says:

    TL;DR – None of their ‘recommendations would stop (or even slow) anyone from committing a criminal act, and none would make solving crimes any easier.

    Did I miss anything?

  26. avatar J. Zoss says:

    I try to not be too surprised by anything when it comes to suggested violations of the 2A but this is an extraordinary amount of excrement piled up in one dump.

  27. avatar Ernie S. says:

    This (and the snow) is why I left Connecticut. As others have said, this is just look at me, I’m doing something for the children legislation. Nothing in the recommendations would have stopped Lanza.
    What would have is a man or woman in the office with combat experience, some tactical training and an M-15 within arm’s reach.
    This person could be an Assistant Principal, Guidance Councilor or an IT geek 99.9% of the time.
    When Lanza started shooting up the door to gain entry, this resource could have moved to the office door, opened it and taken up a prone position. 3 or 4 rounds would have saved 26 lives.

    But GUNS IN SCHOOLS!!!!! “I don’t want my children learning in a prison!”, they cried.

    Me neither, but I do want them to come home after school. Don’t you?

  28. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Just who exactly is the “Commission”? A monkey could have come up with all the same useless recommendations that the antis have wanted for years.

  29. avatar Fox Hunter says:

    The only good gun control is zero gun control. Public schools are literally fish in a barrel for wack nuts. Shut down all public schools, abolish the public school system, govt run schools are communist indoctrination centers, and the biggest source of voters for the libertard democrats. Kill two birds with one stone. Save kids from wack nuts and kill the biggest source of democrat zombies . America did very well before the public school system existed, the public school system is killing America, time for America to kill the public school system.

  30. avatar Icabod says:

    In each school shooting, there were clean signs that the individural was deranged and a threat. AL went untreated due to his mother. The VT shooter Cho was identified by the school mental health staff. However, when he withdrew, the case was closed.
    The only way to have stopped AL was a home visit and a mental heath exam followed by commitment.
    The commission would never look at this as everybody would have their rights stepped on. Better to just step on gun owners

  31. avatar BSB says:

    All brass have a serial number? .,..Now if I wanted to pin a crime on someone else go to a pistol range pick up some brass lay that down at the scene of the crime. All that will do is make an investigator’s job that much tougher. All their recommendations are garbage.

  32. avatar Hannibal says:

    I glanced at them… do they at any point acknowledge that none of these suggested measures would have stopped the gunman from murdering a bunch of kids?

    Or is that kind of thinking considered microagression?

  33. avatar CT Resident says:

    This “commission” was hand picked by our liberal governor . None of the recommendations would have stopped Adam Lanza .The de-institutionalizing of mental patients in CT since the 1990’s is the cause of this. I work in Middletown,home of Connecticut Valley Hospital,the primary state mental hospital. ,In 1990 a mental patient,one a day pass from a shrink at CVH,went into a sporting goods store during the Main Street Sidewalk Sale,bought a hunting knife and cut the belly of a 9 year old girl open in front of her family . I saw the blood on the street . Until we lock up crazy people we aren’t safe. Taking evil guns away from people will only make it worse .

    1. avatar WV Cycling says:

      Watch out, demonizing crazy people is the next trend. Military + legislation is trying it with evaluating soldiers and veterans with PTSD to see if there is a way to limit gun ownership by saying they’re insane.

      I don’t disagree those who are insane or wards of the state shouldn’t have open access, but it is a slippery slope we must evaluate thoroughly.

  34. avatar jason says:

    Well I’d like to have the following as well

    A unicorn
    Morning blowjobs by different super models
    Drive a different sports car for free every time I walk outside
    Kobe steak for dinner every night
    And the cure for all VD as a Dayquil brand pill

  35. avatar Mike says:

    So this report, all in all, was a huge waste of time and resources, suggesting absolutely unproven or unsuccessful (AWB, mag cap ban, UBC, registration) policies..

    I cannot fathom how someone can ignore the fact that some of these suggestions were attempted in places like CA, NY, and Chicago with absolutely no success and no decrease in crime, yet want the country to adopt these “common sense” steps to make our country a safer place.

  36. avatar BlueBronco says:

    it sounds like Bloomberg was impersonating the Sandy Hood Commission. They wrote an agenda for The Brady Campaign rather than what happened.

  37. avatar Gruney says:

    Wow, what a load of excrement. They covered every useless gun control idea I have heard plus some new ones. Serialized brass. We will etch them on by using tiny Unicorn’s horns. Work faster lazy one horn, your quota today is a million cases!

    The drivel masters of CT present: useless gun control ideas from people that are completely ignorant about firearms. A very “special” commission indeed. CT = CA with crappy weather.

    1. avatar Jake Tallman says:

      Not to mention that for serialized brass to have ANY effect on trace-ability, they need to know who bought the brass. Which means cartridges need to either be purchased individually (and entered into a database as being registered to you), or be CERTAIN to have been loaded in exact order in a box (“this box contains .45 ACP cartridges 22345 through 22395”), and then registered to the buyer.

  38. avatar craig says:

    Less than 200 people a year are killed by an AR. 3,000 are stabbed, punched, strangled, and beaten with a hammer or shovel. In fact when you take out gang on gang shootings, more people are murdered with stuff from bed bath and beyond and home Depot than with firearms. 25,000 people are killed by drunk reckless and distracted drivers. You are 12 times more likely to die that way than by a firearm. Not to mention half these recommendations are already in place at least where I live. They should ban people not qualified to raise good kids from having kids. Ban divorce! How much violence does divorce cost this country?

  39. avatar tdiinva says:

    Who cares. The is report will have no effect outside of the states that already have draconian gun laws. I don’t the Virginia Legislature will be rushing out to pass these recommendations nor will Congress. The list is nothing more than Bloomberg/MDA laundry list of restrictions. Connecticut could have save money and just asked Mikey for his list.

  40. avatar Nick says:

    Serialize ammo? Are you f***ing kidding? Do they even know how many rounds are sold daily in the US? After a few months, they’d run out of room on the casing for stuff like handgun calibers or 22’s.

    1. avatar I1uluz says:

      They have no clue how easy it is to install a brass catcher that holds 100 5.56 empty casings. At the range you would have to pick up ALL of your brass, so you didn’t have to fear someone reload it and it’s found at a crime scene. I have never been to a range but have heard that there are ranges that you can’t not take ANY brass home, they keep it to sell.

  41. avatar J O E says:

    After seeing so many fatal traffic crashes, we should adopt:

    1. No one may drive a vehicle if their license is suspended/revoked.

    2. The registered owner must be the operator off their vehicle.

    3. Upon suspension/revocation, the vehicle must be turned over to the Secretary of State.

    4. No vehicle may be able to exceed the speed of 80MPH.

    Oh, sorry. Thought we were talking about deadly item restriction.

    I’ve seen more people die from car crashes than firearms. More morons own cars than guns. And cars are everywhere, and they go fast! Poor children!

    1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      I personally have been injured, and have seen people injured or killed more by cars than guns.

  42. avatar Logic Bob says:

    Sandy Hook was a damn lie. Its disappointing to see that more people here (in the comments) don’t know that.

    1. avatar Pg2 says:

      Ha, welcome to TTAG, home of the pre-packaged, mainstream media approved, official storyline reinforcement vehicle disguised as a pro gun/ gun information site.

  43. avatar Pg2 says:

    Dupes that buy the official line have invited the further encroachment of our rights.

  44. avatar Treedodger says:

    We would all be better served to have the backsides of all the ignorant agenda pushing 2A Haters on this commission serialized for tracking.

  45. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    the lethality of readily available firearms and ammunition continues to increase. It does? Overall, back before 1934 you could buy sub machine guns and fully rifles. Heck Model 12 shotguns had more magazine capacity than a lot of shotguns for sale today. Later on, you could buy M1 carbines and Browning Hi Powers.

    1. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      should be fully automatic rifles, the response text box on this site is goofy.

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Thank you Indiana Tom.

      The statement that the “lethality” of firearms is increasing is pure balogna. Lever action rifles chambered for the .45-70 Government cartridge have been around for well over 100 years. Loaded with 400+ grain hardcast lead bullet cartridges, such a rifle could easily kill 20+ children huddled in a corner without reloading. (Just one bullet, due to its size, mass, muzzle velocity and bullet construction, would be capable of killing at least 5 and probably more like 10 young children.)

      1. avatar Timmy! says:

        As an aside, I found it interesting that the government tests on the .45-70 round were conducted at Sandy Hook Beach back in 1879.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70

  46. avatar John Dennis says:

    I stopped reading at “Gun control”..

  47. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    The connection between the extent of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the lethality [their emphasis] of weapons used in the attack on the school is self-evident and beyond dispute. If the kids are all going to huddle in a corner, a Civil War musket with bayonet is plenty lethal.

  48. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    ―Assault weapons‖ like the AR-15, as well as large capacity magazines often used with those weapons, have no legitimate place in the civilian population. It has the same use as any other semi-auto rifle on the market. The AR was not really designed by the military anyway, but by Fairchild Heller. Vey few ARs are used in crimes.

    1. avatar Another Robert says:

      Again, the report itself actually admits this–then ignores it, saying they need to be banned anyway. Then, in a show of REALLY perverse “logic”, they say that since banning AR’s would not be very effective, (because they aren’t used to commit crimes to a significant degree), all kinds of other guns need to be banned too. It’s kind of like “Mein Kampf”, it actually kind of lays out the whole complete gun-ban program, if people just read it.

  49. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    By contrast, the Commission finds that the significant benefit to society from eliminating civilian ownership and possession of assault weapons. Society being defined as a large Statist Government.

  50. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    They remain free to engage in those activities with a vast array of long guns and handguns…..which would still be very effective in slaughtering a huddled mass of Elementary School Children sheltering in place.

  51. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    In short, the Commission‘s first goal is simply to limit the possession and use of weapons designed for wartime use to members of our military services and law enforcement personnel. That would cover a lot more gun designs than what most people think.

    1. avatar Another Robert says:

      Well, if you want to be historical. But in the modern sense–guns designed for wartime use by the military [read: select-fire, full-auto-capable small arms] are already pretty much restricted to the military and police. Anyway, the whole point is to include as many arms in the “banned” class as they can get away with.

  52. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    there is much that governments, schools and other institutions can do to facilitate an effective and humane response. Which this worthless report has nothing to do with.

  53. avatar Indiana Tom says:

    Out of all the commission’s recommendations, Nancy Lanza could have passed all of them. 10 round magazines have been used in mass school shootings. The shooting at Sandy Hook would have still happened.

  54. avatar Roger Cain says:

    They make it more difficult than they need to. Just outlaw all illegal behavior.

  55. avatar Phil LA says:

    What an absolute load of non-effective horse shit. Never let a good crisis go to waste I guess. I’ll be hitting up the NRA and SAF every time these reports come out.

  56. avatar Paelorian says:

    Goal No. 1: ban “assault weapons” and their standard-capacity magazines. Because there’s no way such a massacre could ever happen without assault weapons. Virginia Tech. Bath school bombing. You don’t even need a 30-round magazine or “assault weapon” to take on the U.S. Army: Fort Hood, twice in the last 6 years.

  57. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    Recommendation No. 19
    Take the people that made the prior recommendations to the Golden Gate Bridge. Hand them copies of their recommendations. Set them (the papers, not the people) on fire. If those people think that the recommendations are truly valuable they’ll jump into the water to put out the flames. Otherwise they can throw the burning papers into a steel drum and warm their hands by the fire.

    1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      To those that think that this sounds too incendiary, I would suggest that it is less so than the advisory commission’s report.

  58. avatar Jason says:

    Guys, check out Recommendation 10:

    “Prohibit the possession, sale or transfer of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds without reloading. ”

    That would be 99% of current handguns. Most of them are “capable of firing more than 10 rounds” and are just sold with lower-capacity magazines in some states.

    See the true agenda here?

  59. avatar Chris Mallory says:

    “RECOMMENDATION NO. 10. Prohibit the possession, sale or transfer of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds without reloading.”

    Well, there would go my collection of rimfire lever actions and my two Marlin Model 60s.

  60. avatar tjlarson2k says:

    If you could make evil intentions disappear overnight, guess what, we would need no military, no police, and no weapons of any kind.

    But we don’t live in that fantasy world. Gun control doesn’t make sense for the reality we live in because in order for it to work it relies on the law makers believing criminals will follow these new laws and recommendations.

    A criminal, by definition, doesn’t follow rules. Therefore, the entire thought process to attempt to control criminals with words on paper (or on signs) is useless, and worse, it’s dangerous because your laws affect lawful gun owners and first responders who have a track record of tens of thousands of DGUs every year. “Gun control”, historically only disarms and weakens the good guys with guns.

    This is an impressive display of either: willful stupidity or stubborn ignorance. Either way, I view it as a failure of our Education system, particularly US History. To believe that gun control works in any form or function is not only insulting to anyone with average IQ, the only other belief I can infer is that any measure of gun control is an active attempt to weaken the effectiveness of the law abiding first responders and armed citizens, which is unconstitutional and goes against the principles of the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

    So, no thank you to your recommendations.

  61. avatar Martin says:

    Here is my recommendation

    FOAD

  62. avatar Paelorian says:

    I appreciate that in our culture the Sandy Hook murders are universally considered bad. If Sandy Hook had been perpetrated in Israel against Jewish kindergarteners, Adam Lanza would be a Palestinian national hero idolized throughout the Muslim world, and sympathized with by more than a few Americans. I have no doubt. For the immoral and violent religious and ideological fundamentalist fanatics, no crime is too despicable to celebrate when the victims are infidels. You’re an infidel if you’re a different religion, sect, denomination, or political persuasion. No matter who or what you are, you are an infidel, and people of this evil mindset would like to see you murdered for it. Because you are an incorrect person, you should be murdered.

    Am I off-topic? I don’t think of what I speak could be more relevant for the “Armed Intelligentsia”. Every day TTAG has a post about the politics of dehumanization and demonization, where people are reduced to barbarians or philistines unworthy of opinions, unworthy of respect, unworthy of self-determination, and in the impassioned eyes of the close-minded true believers, unworthy of life.

    Even if you identify with no one and simply have the desire to have means to forcibly defend yourself from such evil, you will be seen to have taken a side and are the enemy of many for that alone.

    “The ways of you stupid f–king gun nuts promote gun violence. I hope you all get shot to death!”

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Paelorian wrote

      Every day TTAG has a post about the politics of dehumanization and demonization, where people are reduced to barbarians or philistines unworthy of opinions, unworthy of respect, unworthy of self-determination, and in the impassioned eyes of the close-minded true believers, unworthy of life.

      This is 1000% accurate, true, and spot-on.

      And this is why we get nowhere with debates or “conversations” with gun grabbers. Nothing — no information, facts, data, history, logic, or arguments — that we present matters if our very lives do not matter.

      If we have any chance at all, it is calling out gun grabbers for their very attitude that people who are “different” are irrelevant and have no rights.

      TTaG Staff: please, please, please make Paelorian’s quote above its very own article. This is a monumentally important aspect of the Truth about Guns.

      1. avatar Robert Farago says:

        Done.

        1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

          Thank you!

  63. avatar Jeff, Alabama says:

    RECOMMENDATION NO. 10. Prohibit the possession, sale or transfer of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds without reloading . . .

    This would ban all magazine-fed firearms since they would all technically be capable of firing more than 10 rounds, albeit some from extended magazines.

  64. avatar damon says:

    I would counter that if assault weapons are banned, why do cops need them since to follow this logic they would be unlikely to need them since no one will have them because of course they would be breaking the law.

  65. avatar Renov8 says:

    They came out with only 18 recommendations?

    I have one more recommendation………Stick it up your A$$!

  66. avatar Jerry says:

    Here’s another idea! As a firefighter I’ve been to many motor vehicle collisions, and since we all know that cars explode when in a collision, in order to reduce the damage caused by said explosion, lets limit gas tanks in all cars to 5 gallons or less. There are plenty of gas stations whee people can fill up a little more often, so its just a minor inconvenience. OTR truckers can get a variance only by showing up at a licensing station and proving that they do own a truck.

  67. avatar IdahoPete says:

    If I may be permitted to provide a brief summary of their 18 “Recommendations”:

    “Ignore the 2nd Amendment and any civilian right to self-defense, confiscate all civilian-owned firearms in America, and institute a leftist dictatorship.”

  68. avatar Sergey says:

    How would any of this had stopped Sandy Hook from happening? The gun was legally purchased and kept by Lanza’s mother.

  69. avatar gsnyder says:

    This commission did not study and evaluate the situation at all. They recompiled a rehash of every anti-gun issue available.
    They are unwilling to tell the truth and observe the facts. All the arguments are founded in emotion with a complete lack of logic.
    This continues to display how unethical the anti-gun campaigns are. How much more reprehensible can it get than to use the deaths of a number of kids for your political gain?

  70. avatar 7.62x54r says:

    “RECOMMENDATION NO. 5. Institute a ban on the possession or sale of all armor-piercing and incendiary bullets, regardless of caliber. First-time offenses should be classified as a Class D Felony.”

    I thought that before you could sell anything you had to possess it in some manner. So would it be a double bad Class DD Felony with a capital F if you sold some?

  71. avatar DaveL says:

    I wasn’t really expecting any realistic and insightful recommendations, but I was rally shocked by just how deeply unserious these are. Incendiary and armor piercing ammo? Serialized casings? What on earth does any of this have to do with the Sandy Hook shootings?

  72. avatar DMB says:

    So why are cops exempted? If no one has a fire arm covered by this law then they should be banned from possessing or using them.

  73. avatar Jason says:

    How about GFY cokcsukcers. From my cold dead hands. Don’t hide behind the government if you think they should be legal, YOU, put on a uniform and come take them!

  74. avatar Jason says:

    Uhh, I am stuck on #5… Define “armor piercing”. If it simply means defeating AR500 in a carrier/kevlar vest, you have a major problem. Kiss everything from .30-06 and up goodbye. This whole hate-on over so called AP ammo is insane. We can buy 855 in Canada fine and easy. No sense at all why the BATF jerks are after it down there!

    Man oh man you all in the States are just in for the fight of your life in many areas. Up here in Canada, things are getting ever so slightly better but overall, our laws are better than most areas that are blue states! THAT is unbelievable!

    The only two really really stinky laws we have are that AR platforms are restricted class and that ANY restricted class firearm (Which includes ALL handguns) cannot be used for hunting/carried while hunting/in the woods. Although comically, one of the easier concealed carry permits to get in Canada (They DO exist) is for working in the deep woods/wilderness.

  75. avatar Mike_M says:

    If the anti’s were even slightly capable of critical thinking they would have to wonder why their easily refuted rhetoric never changes. It’s just the same old ignorance repeated over and over and over again. They are searching for the penny in the corner of a round room…

  76. avatar Static NAT says:

    Like every Commission report I’ve seen (e.g., the Warren Commission, the Rogers Commission), this is just another PR campaign to push a Government agenda.

  77. avatar Shiprock Bilagaana says:

    “By contrast, the Commission finds that the significant benefit to society from eliminating civilian ownership and possession of assault weapons and large capacity magazines can be realized with only a minimal burden on persons who want to hunt, engage in target practice or use weapons for self-defense. They remain free to engage in those activities with a vast array of long guns and handguns.

    In short, the Commission‘s first goal is simply to limit the possession and use of weapons designed for wartime use to members of our military services and law enforcement personnel.”

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    I, for one, am sick and goldemned tired of explaining this to well-meaning liberals and evil-intended socialists alike: The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States does not exist so that marksmen can go out and punch holes in defenseless paper targets; it does not exist so that hunters can go and blow great big holes in Bambi, Thumper, Flower, Chip, Dale or Donald; it does not exist so that homeowners can protect their homes from criminals trying to break in to kill, steal and destroy.

    The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is there so that WHEN BARACK OR HILLARY OR JEB OR MARIO OR RAND OR SCOTT OR ANYONE ELSE TRIES TO DECLARE “MARTIAL LAW” AND TELL THE ARMY, THE FBI, THE BATFE, OR WHOMEVER ELSE WILL OBEY THEIR UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDERS THAT IT IS “OK” TO KICK IN YOUR DOOR, RAPE YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN, TAKE YOUR FOOD, MONEY AND PROPERTY, AND LEAVE YOU DEAD ON THE FLOOR there will be Sovereign American Citizens with militarily useful weapons who can stop them, arrest and hang the ones giving the orders, and restore the Republic to its proper role in the life of the nation.

    That is why the Founders put it there. Any public official who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States who does not understand this should be turned out of office and never allowed to run for or hold office again.

  78. avatar Sam Newton says:

    I don’t know what mind altering substance the folks on this commission were on when they came up with all of this but it must have been pretty high quality.

    1. avatar Diane Marie says:

      You’re not just whistling Dixie!! Holy shit….

  79. avatar Diane Marie says:

    ROFLMAO……again, I thought I was going to get to read something with some substance to it; I was wrong! I truly hope these individuals did this on a volunteer basis…..because I wouldn’t pay one red cent for this cluster of written bullshit! JUST WOW!!

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