New from Heizer Defense: PAK1 “Pocket AK Pistol” in 7.62×39

7.62X39 (courtesy wikipedia.org)

Heizer Defense is taking the derringer thing to next level with their PAK1 “Pocket AK Pistol.” Set to debut at the NRA Show in Tennessee (no photos ’til then), the 7.62×39 PAK1 is the company’s fourth caliber handgun, joining the PS1 “Pocket Shotgun” (chambered in .45 Long Colt and .410) and the PAR1 “Pocket AR” (chambered in .223). The company’s presser (after the jump) promises more calibers to come (9.3x74r?). Owners can buy and change-out barrels to explore the joys of stout recoil diversity. No word on whether the ATF will use this gun as an excuse to ban 7.62X30 ammo . . .

Pevely, Missouri – -(Ammoland.com)- At the upcoming NRA Show in Nashville, TN, Heizer Defense is debuting the new PAK1 “Pocket AK Pistol” in 7.62×39.

Booth #3215. The pistol is the next caliber offering in the Heizer Defense Pocket Pistol Family. The Pocket Pistol Family currently consists of the PS1 “Pocket Shotgun”, chambered in 45LC/410, the PAR1 “Pocket AR”, chambered in .223, and the Hedy Jane Empowered line, geared for women.

The pistols are multi-caliber with interchangeable barrels. Accessory barrels will be shipping along with the PAK1 “Pocket AK” very soon. Consumers can purchase any Heizer Defense Pistol and now have 2 additional calibers to choose from, and additional calibers will be offered throughout 2015.

Heizer Defense Pocket Pistols are proudly distributed by its partners AcuSport, AmChar Wholesale, Bangers, Big Rock Sports, Bill Hick’s, Sports South, Williams Shooting Supply and Zanders Sporting Goods.

For more information on the Heizer Defense products, visit www.heizerdefense.com

Heizer Defense is a state-of-the-art, high technology Firearm Company based in Pevely, Missouri, a suburb of St. Louis.

Heizer Defense is an affiliated company of Heizer Aerospace. Founded in 1962, it manufactures fracture critical components for aerospace companies, NASA and the military.

Heizer Defense Engineers apply the same military technology to create high quality firearms.

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  1. avatar Rimfire says:

    WHY?

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      Some people look at what is new and different and ask “WHY?” I look at what is new and different and ask “WTF??????”

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      As pointed out, this will give the ATF another reason to go after a type of cartridge.

      I can think of no other reason that is more sane than that.

      1. avatar Tsn4 says:

        Didn’t the ATF say that single shot break action pistols are a non-issue? They could always just pretend they didn’t say that though I suppose. Wouldn’t be the first time….

      2. avatar Jeremy S says:

        AK pistols have been around forever and steel core 7.62×39 was already banned a long time ago because of that.

      3. avatar notalima says:

        I am right there with you.

        We crow “but AR and AK pistols do not meet the ‘easily concealed’ definition”. These pocket pals in 223/x39/and (soon) to be .308 do.

        Is there are exception for break-open ‘derringer’ type pistols?

      4. avatar Tom says:

        What’s the FPS out of the barrel? You’re going to penetrate armor @ that velocity? Really?

    3. avatar AllAmerican says:

      I agree, however AK pistols have been around for awhile so hopefully this doesn’t change anything.

  2. avatar DickDanger says:

    Is this supposed to be the firearms equivalent of a four-pound gummy worm or a “marital aid” the size of a baseball bat? Funny but functionally useless?

    1. avatar Bigred2989 says:

      Yes, b

    2. avatar rosignol says:

      I regret to inform you that you are underestimating what some women are capable of.

      1. avatar Paelorian says:

        I’ve seen some amazing eggplant videos…

  3. avatar Frank Masotti says:

    Well know we have to expect the atfe to be going after the 7.62X39 as armor piercing next.

    1. avatar Tommy G says:

      I was waiting to see who would pick up on that.

    2. avatar PK says:

      They already did, in the 1990s, and succeeded in banning importation of steel core 7.62×39.

      1. avatar Jeff says:

        …until the ATF magically releases new regulatory language that could potentially classify the typical Russian manufactured bimetal jacket bullets as armor piercing. Don’t doubt that it could happen.

  4. avatar Pete S. says:

    They need to make a pocket .50BMG next. That’d be so awesome and 50X better than a puny 7.62×39.

    1. avatar BDub says:

      Why not just go 40mm, with a M576 or 1001 round? Your ballistics and terminal effect would be much better from a pocket pistol.

      1. avatar Don in PA says:

        How about we just pay Heizer to detonate a pound of powder right in our hand! That would be new and different too!

      2. avatar Gunr says:

        I shot 40mm’s off of a destroyer in the 50’s. Why stop there? Take it all the way to a 16″ Naval shell. Forgot how many grains the “bullets” are. Be kind of expensive, but what the hell! You can’t take it with you.

        1. avatar Robert W. says:

          If you aren’t using TONS do describe your powder charge, it just isn’t worth it.

        2. avatar Gunr says:

          Robert
          Look out Heizer, I think you might have a little competition!

        3. avatar A. C. says:

          No, I certainly can’t. I don’t have any pants – or a coat – with a pocket that big.

    2. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “They need to make a pocket .50BMG next. That’d be so awesome and 50X better than a puny 7.62×39. ”

      Just try to find a comfortable IWB holster for that bad boy…

      And keep the number of a very talented osteopath and-or hand trauma surgeon programmed into your phone.

  5. avatar Art out West says:

    I’ve been thinking about getting another firearm in 7.62X39 as a backup for my Saiga AK. I don’t think this will be the one (maybe a VZ-58 instead). With a list price of $450, this piece of crap would actually cost more than my Saiga did back in 2010. I’ve wondered whether a snub nose .357 loses too much velocity to be useful. A snub nosed 7.62X39 would hit no harder than the .357.

    So since the 7.62X39 is called a PAK1 and the .223 is called a PAR1, I have a question. What is next, a PFAL1 in .308, a PBAR1 in 30-06, or a PBMG1 one in .50BMG?

    1. avatar Desert Ranger says:

      I am down for a PLati in 20mm…

    2. avatar PK says:

      “Pocket Sniper” is in .308. It’s right there on Zander’s website.

      1. avatar Art out West says:

        For a pocket sniper in .308, I’d want some decent optics. You could just mount an EOTECH on it, but perhaps a 10X scope would be better for longer range shots. Maybe people could use it for elk hunting. The 7.62X39 with soft points is considered a good hog hunting round. Think about that. Put your PAK1 in the back pocket and head out for a day of hunting.

    3. avatar James69 says:

      Yeah, but you set them on fire and shoot them at the same time.

  6. avatar Amok! says:

    Id rather carry a 50 cal round and use it as a shank.

  7. avatar BDub says:

    At some point doesn’t the small to non-existent barrel length on these experiments render a rifle round no better, if not worse, than a handgun round? Only a fraction of the powder-burn is going to contribute to the round’s energy at that point. Its a self-defeating in principle.

    1. avatar Timmy! says:

      I believe that was pointed out in the “review” of the PAR (quotes are because I don’t remember if it was an actual review). Something was said about huge muzzle blast and the bullet landing two feet in front of the muzzle.

  8. avatar Wilson says:

    The conspiracy theorist in me says this company is a front for the anti-gunners/government for exactly the reasons stated – military long arm ammo being used in short arms and therefore subject to being banned as armor piercing by the ATF. Bears further investigation. If I were the NRA that company would be a PNG at the Nashvegas show.

    1. avatar DeltaBravo74 says:

      I would have to agree with you. It seems awful fishy that they are affiliated with NASA and the Military, and it just so happens their main products are pistols that shoot rifle rounds. It makes it really easy for the anti’s to push their agenda when company’s like this give them a leg to stand on… Make me wonder.

    2. avatar Jeremy S says:

      This talk is sort of humorous considering, as has been mentioned above, 7.62×39 steel core ammo has been banned for decades due to AK pistols having been available for decades. 5.56 steel core stuff was specifically exempted, despite AR pistols also being readily available for a long time. I’m sure more calibers will follow. Also, as mentioned above, break-action, single shot handguns have already been exempted from this sort of regulation due, primarily, to the T/C rifle caliber handguns.

    3. avatar Timmy! says:

      Aren’t these the guys who were making Double Tap’s .45ACP derringer thing under license then got in a pissing match with DT and “stole” the design… but sold it with a single barrel so’s not to get sued? That’s How I remember the story going. I’d look up the TTAG post about it but I’m FAR too lazy for that.

  9. avatar gregory says:

    This is just another useless toy for those that need a testosterone boost to reassure themselves they are a man. It may work better as a flame thrower. After shooting this pistol, the owner could sweep up all of the unburned gun powder to make more ammunition, perhaps in a pistol caliber that makes more sense.

  10. avatar Roy says:

    Isn’t importation of steel-core 7.62X39 already banned because of AK pistols?

    1. avatar PK says:

      Yes, it has been banned since 1993/1994 when Olympic made an AR-15 pistol in 7.62×39.

      1. avatar A-Rod says:

        So the AR arm brace is ruining it for the rest of us? I think the arm brace is stupid anyways.

        1. avatar Chris In Texas says:

          Wait huh? How does the arm brace have anything to do with a ammo ban from the 90’s?

        2. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

          Ummmm, ok. Just, uh, yeah. Wow. I think the Yankees called because that was way out of left field.

  11. avatar fishydude says:

    Even the 5.56 version they say the bullet won’t go more than 10 feet and is mostly a scare tactic. Big fire ball. Barrel is barely longer than the shell. So not much muzzle velocity developed.
    Probably the same with the 7.62. That sucker ain’t piece a flannel shirt at 20′.

  12. avatar smackdabonurass says:

    Get ready for the great red scare of the cop killer baby murdering ak ammo!

  13. avatar Sian says:

    ATF was never interested in single shot pistols of any caliber.

    That said, I crunched some numbers and a 115 grain AK round fired from the Heizer would have less energy than a .32 S&W round. Not exactly a heavy hitter. You might be able to do more damage with the fireball you’re going to get.

    1. avatar smackdabonurass says:

      Tell Thompson centerfire arms that.

    2. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “That said, I crunched some numbers and a 115 grain AK round fired from the Heizer would have less energy than a .32 S&W round.”

      Work up a reload using a powder made for derringers…

  14. avatar JD says:

    A 7.62×39 is 2.2 inches long. With less than an inch of barrel length left you would be lucky to get 750fps out of this thing. 123 grains at 750fps is around 153 pounds of energy or somewhere between a 32 and a 380. Probably have more knock down power if you throw the pistol at somebody.

  15. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    NO…selling doubletap for next to nothing on GunAuction…

  16. avatar Gunr says:

    I’ll stick with my 7, and 8 tap

  17. avatar Red in CO says:

    Honestly, I’d buy this just to screw around with at night. About all you’d get is a hell of a fireball, but there’s a special kind of satisfaction from seeing an epic muzzle flash

  18. avatar John L. says:

    Ok, enough.

    Just release the 40mm grenade version and have done.

  19. avatar Gatha58 says:

    Would you be able to hold onto this thing when you fire it ? Seems like that much powder would knock the thing out of your hand. Or does the short barrel length also limit the recoil ? One way or the other this seems like a pretty useless weapon to me.

    1. avatar Stinkeye says:

      Since most of the powder will be burnt in a fireball outside of the barrel, it won’t contribute much to the recoil. It’ll probably still sting if you fire several rounds, but the good news is the novelty will probably wear off almost immediately, and you won’t be shooting it that much.

    2. avatar Gunr says:

      Maybe the barrel bore dia. is close to .50, so there’s no resistance, and everything just kind of dribbles out the barrel, falls on the ground, and soils your new shoes!

  20. avatar Stinkeye says:

    Set to debut at the NRA Show in Tennessee (no photos ’til then)…”

    Given Heizer’s previous efforts, I’m sure it will be a beautiful work of art, and not a ridiculous, ugly, brick-like chunk of crap.

  21. avatar William B. says:

    Plan C for the ATF: Get Heizer to manufacture a .50 BMG derringer, and presto, illegal!

  22. avatar Ken in TN says:

    Are these ass-clowns just trying to get any and all cheap ammo banned from being imported? Is this a govt shell company?

  23. avatar m.hopper says:

    i own one in 7.62/39 i shot it into a dirt bank to check penetration leadcor brasscase no steel about 6in with the lead

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