Passively Constructed Negligent Discharge of the Day: 4-Year-Old Shot By Falling .357 [Not Shown] Edition

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“[Alaska State] Troopers say the family was leaving a pickup when the woman’s .357-caliber handgun fell out of its holster, struck the pavement on its hammer and fired,” cbsnews.com reports. “The shot hit the 4-year-old just above the knee. The bullet went through the boy’s leg and lodged in a building.” Holy caliber wars Batman! I’m surprised there’s much leg left. I’m also highly skeptical . . .

that a .357 revolver would discharge if it was dropped on its hammer, even if the hammer was somehow cocked. And I wonder how this handgun “fell” out of its holster. Maybe the woman was playing catch a falling gun.

One thing’s for sure: the gun-ignorant (or disinterested) reporter needs to attend former Mayor Bloomberg’s upcoming media class on firearms. Or not. Oh, and that’s the UK Daily Mail’s accompanying photograph to illustrate the story.

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  1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Old single six? Wow.

    1. avatar JWM says:

      Old model Ruger Blackhawk. Keep the hammer down on an empty chamber or risk an nd. Old school single actions were famous for carrying 5 in a 6 shot cylinder for safeties sake.

      1. avatar Will in Oregon says:

        Those old model Blackhawks and single sixes actually had a third “saftey” position the hammer could be placed in to drop safe them if you loaded all 6 rounds.

        1. avatar JWM says:

          True. If the current owner is familiar enough with the weapon and if the half cock notch isn’t worn or otherwises defective. Most people that used them simply carried them with 5.

        2. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Ruger recalled all those revolvers to correct the problem, and I doubt any woman was interested in carrying a Ruger Blackhawk in her purse anyway. I smell a situation where a knowledgeable reporter would have actually asked what POS gun do you own, that such a thing is possible? Instead, butt-ignorant and anti-gun in the first place, the reporter just lets it go.

      2. avatar Will in Oregon says:

        to this day Ruger will install a transfer bar safety in your old model Blackhawk or single six, I had pamphlets included in the case my SR-762 came in almost begging me to send mine in. I have a 1964 model single six convertible and an early 70s Blackhawk .45 Colt

        1. avatar Don from CT says:

          And many of us, myself included will never ever send our classic old Rugers in to be converted. Use some common sense and its perfectly safe.

          Back to the story at hand. I think we will find that the revolver inquestion was a modern revolver with either a rebounding hammer or a transfer bar system that make it virtually impossible for the gun to discharge if struck on the hammer.

          I am very confident that when the truth does come out, we will find that the owner of the gun grabbed at it and caused the discharge.

          Don

  2. avatar JackieO says:

    Teacher, that ain’t no hoe. My sister’s a hoe and she don’t look nothin’ like that.

  3. avatar Scrubula says:

    Def not a revolver. Maybe 0.9mm?

  4. avatar 907sig says:

    Is it so difficult to spell “Wasilla” correctly?

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Sarah Palin would appreciate it, Don’tYahKnow…

      🙂

  5. avatar paul says:

    good looking holster, does anybody know what brand and model it is?

    1. avatar Sovereign says:

      Judging by it, I would guess it’s a Galco leather holster. Not sure what specific model, but I am pretty sure on it being a Galco.

    2. avatar CW3 Crusty says:

      Looks like a Desantis thumb break scabbard. I have one with the same white stitching.

  6. avatar Loaded Diaper says:

    IF only it had passed California’s drop test and had micro-printing!

  7. avatar James69 says:

    It was really an AR with a sig-brace………….

  8. avatar James69 says:

    If it was a pre-1973 model that DID not have the factory recall done, otherwise more “cowboy” antics was the reason.

  9. avatar Christian says:

    I recall watching a video on how to buy a used revolver, and being cautioned that you needed to check for a “drop safe” revolver by pushing firmly on the hammer spur while it was cocked. Many home trigger jobs to “lighten” the single action create an unsafe weapon that could discharge if dropped. Applying pressure while cocked in SA might not reveal ALL unsafe trigger jobs, but it will reveal an obviously unsafe/damaged/defective revolver. If you still desire to purchase, be responsible and convert it to DAO by having the external hammer spur removed.

    So perhaps this ND of the day isn’t as far fetched as it might seem at first blush. A home trigger job gone awry is far from unheard of. The Gun Owner might not even have been the one to do the amateur gunsmithing. Maybe it was second-hand, and the silky smooth and light SA trigger pull was a selling point.

    All that to say; while most ND’s of the day are obviously due to someone putting their finger where they oughtn’t, this one is seems like it could have very well been extremely bad luck, not necessarily due to willful negligence.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      But your suggested scenario is that the gun was cocked! In her holster? Such a trigger job would not affect double action or drop problems. I still smell something rotten here.

  10. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    I’m not buying what they’re selling. Hope the little kid is OK…

  11. avatar Paul G says:

    .357 sig?

  12. avatar Rokurota says:

    CBS employs reporters who may be uninterested in guns, but they are hardly disinterested.

    http://lexicide.com/disinterested/

  13. avatar Jay-El says:

    The Daily Mail? This makes the international news?

    1. avatar Curtis in IL says:

      Not really news, just a chance to chuckle with condescending tone at those ignorant Americans whose guns shoot innocent babies on a daily basis.

      1. avatar David Hackney says:

        Indeed,I fail to understand the preoccupation foreigners have with our gun rights,jealousy I suppose but I have this sick obsession with why the British have such nasty teeth and won’t do anything to alleviate the problem.I also spend a lot of time wondering why Aussies spend so much time bothering the indigenous wildlife,especially the crocodiles and kangaroos.

  14. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    There are a fair number of 50+ year old firearms that are in fine condition. The woman may very well have had a 1960s vintage .357 Magnum revolver … which I assume were not drop-safe. Being that it was Alaska and all, I am thankful to hear that it wasn’t a .44 Magnum or .454 Casull!

    And now for the public service announcement: everyone please keep your handguns in properly fitting holsters! A properly fitting holster is tight and completely covers the trigger guard to prevent unintentional discharges. And tight means the handgun will NOT fall out of the holster!

    1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

      hope the kid can walk after reconstructive surgery. Young kids can rebound a hell of a lot more then us old guys, still, my sympathies for him.

    2. avatar NoID says:

      This. My summer carry weapon is a S&W Model 36 that was handed down from my grandfather. The original parts list in the box has a registered trademark from 1956. If you’re keeping track, the gun is almost 60 years old, and I definitely don’t want to test its drop safeness the hard way.

    3. avatar LarryinTX says:

      The first firearm I bought was in 1962, I have been around guns for a while. The ONLY handguns I have ever heard of that were not drop safe were the early Ruger single-action revolvers, and the company stood (and stands) ready to repair or replace all those guns to this day. Next time you buy a new Ruger, ANY Ruger, the notification of that recall is in the box with your new gun. If you have not had it done, your bad, but I still doubt that’s what happened here. I’d like to hear about any S&W double action revolver, or any semi-auto from anywhere which was not delivered new completely drop safe (heaven knows how many have been screwed up after delivery).

      1. avatar JWM says:

        Colt SAA revolvers are not drop safe. Many of the replica “wild west” guns are not drop safe as they are basically copies of old colts, S&W’s, Remingtons, etc.

        Double action service revolvers made by S&W were not drop safe right up thru ww2. The .357 mag went into production in 1935. There are plenty of guns in that caliber that would not be considered drop safe still in the wild.

      2. avatar David Hackney says:

        It goes without saying that if a gun goes off,it’s automatically the guns fault.According to anyone on the left,the gun had actually planned for this to happen.

  15. avatar sagebrushracer says:

    wait, revolvers have clips now? i can clearly see it sticking out of the handle! OMG! blarghle blah media firestorm!
    we need to immediately ban all revolvers in which you can reload the bullets! Nobody needs more then 6 shots EVER, for the entire life of the pistol! they should be shipped welded up, with only whats in them when you buy it!

    1. avatar James69 says:

      The NEW BIC disposable firearm……………

      1. avatar David Hackney says:

        I can see it actually happening one day.

    2. avatar DownrangeFuture says:

      Umm… in a revolver it actually is called a clip. Most revolvers allow the use of a moon clip to help speed the loading of ammunition.

      1. avatar John says:

        Most? No it’s actually uncommon. Revolvers allow the use of speed loaders or speed strips but only some allow for moon clips.

  16. avatar Dan says:

    Probably a case of “that’s my story and I’m sticking to it”. Amazingly unlikely that events actually transpired
    as stated.

  17. avatar Barney Fifenmiester says:

    Just a couple things to clear up. First, the incident happened outside a gun store in Wasilla. I was at a different store in Anchorage and they were on the phone with the Wasilla store while I was there. Second, the boy is fine. In fact he was discharged the next day. By noon the next day he was up and about and the docs were trying to keep him calm… what can you do, 4 yr olds. Third, pistol was a newer model Rossi, don’t know the model. According to people close to the family, she (5’4″ lady) was climbing in and out of a lifted truck (lift plus 33″ tires) and the gun fell out of the holster while she was doing that.

    Moral is, don’t buy lifted trucks! (Just kidding).

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