Defensive Gun Use of the Day: Turnabout is Fair Play Edition

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A 67-Year-Old CCW permit holder stopped a crime spree and a budding criminal career on Wednesday in Cobbs Creek Park in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania. The victim was walking along a path in mid afternoon when an assailant, wearing a mask and brandishing a pistol, demanded that he “Give it up, give me all you got.” But the intended victim didn’t play the expected role. He used a classic defensive technique, grabbing the assailant’s gun while drawing his own . . .

The victim fired one shot to 18-year-old Tyler Williams’ head, killing him and ending the attack.

From 6abc.com:

“He was really shook up – really upset. And I told him point blank. I said, ‘You did what you had to do and as far as I’m concerned I don’t see any criminal charges forthcoming,'” said Supt. (Michael) Chitwood.

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Changing police attitudes toward armed Americans are clearly seen in the above quote. The change in attitudes is commonly seen as the number of armed Americans increases after the passage of “shall issue” concealed carry laws. Some police are skeptical at first, especially in the higher, administrative ranks. Then, as experience grows, and lives, including those of the police, are saved, acceptance grows.

Another point that is highlighted by this event is the necessity of watching for accomplices. The victim noticed another man who was hiding in the brush, who ran off when the assailant was killed. It’s impossible to be sure that he was an accomplice, but it seems likely. Often, a victim who shows a high level of situational awareness deters further attack.

The half dozen cell phones in the attacker’s possession, it seems un-named 67-year-old wasn’t the first victim that day. It’s almost certain that the armed American stopped a budding crime spree.

The victim was taken to the hospital with chest pains and is expected to recover.

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  1. avatar Bob says:

    There was a second person hiding in the bushes who ran away after the shooting. Hopefully he’s considering a career change.

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      and an underwear change

    2. avatar David P. says:

      Well he definitely changed the attacker’s mind!!

      1. avatar Dracon1201 says:

        I would after seeing Perp1’s mind scrambled.

  2. avatar dano says:

    Nice one. But, in PA charges are up to the DA not the police.

    1. avatar smackdabonurass says:

      I’m pretty sure that’s the same story in every jurisdiction in the nation. But having a police chief willing to be an expert witness won’t hurt, at least after making that comment it’s likely he would be called to the stand.

      1. avatar PhilWilson says:

        Even if there are no criminal charges, I hope the man has a good lawyer. Because relatives of the yoot, regardless of whether or not they ever gave a damn about him before, will be lining up to file lawsuits. Sad, but that’s the way it works. Philly will always find a way to punish those who refuse to be a helpless victim.

  3. avatar LC Judas says:

    Grab the gun, get out of line with the bore, you’re now close, contact head shot with your drawing hand. This works on an attacker with the same dominant hand as you face to face. Basic, clean (as close quarters gets) and employable by a great multitude of people.

    1. avatar Scottlac says:

      It also shows why you must carry with one in the hole.

      1. avatar Charlie says:

        P239.

      2. avatar Geoff PR says:

        “It also shows why you must carry with one in the hole.”

        Unless you carry off-body and have a 2-year old.

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          Don’t do that.

  4. avatar JWM says:

    BG was 18. Shannon will add him to her “kids killed by horrible guns” stats.

    1. avatar LC Judas says:

      Because “tragedy”.

      Bull.

    2. avatar David P. says:

      The path probably goes past a school, so it will go as a school shooting too

  5. avatar Ralph says:

    Tyler was just turning his life around. In fact, he was saving up all his mugging money so he could buy a real gun. He had his heart set on a new Hi Point. Poor fella.

    1. avatar LC Judas says:

      That…could have actually been the case is the killing part. This way he could stop beating old people and just plug them. How awesome.

      Dude got the reality check he deserved if he was already on lucky number 7 for the day.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Hey, I wonder if they returned the stolen cell phones! And that would likely be 6 people who could tell you if he had an accomplice.

    2. avatar Publius Syrus says:

      He was enrolled for college and just needed one more cellphone for first quarter tuition, is what I heard.

  6. avatar Frank Masotti says:

    The way he dealt with the robber is the best way to deal with a bad guy with a fun. Put a bullet or two into the head of all bad guys. IMHO

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      If a bad guy’s brandishing fun, you may not need to escalate force so quickly. He’ll likely be deterred by a pants-off dance off, or even a spirited game of Yahtzee.

      NOTE: If fun-wielding bad guy turns out to be a clown, this does not apply. For clowns, use a triple-tap at the minimum.

      1. avatar Stuart Keough says:

        LOL

      2. avatar WRH says:

        Can’t stop laughing.

  7. avatar Pensey Rocks says:

    Thugs Beware – Everyone in Pa. is packing. Anti – Gun Laws are being REPEALED.
    Pennsylvania is the Rampart // Commies to the North – East – and – South.

    1. avatar Jim R says:

      Best numbers I could find say 876,000 permit holders out of 12 million. About 6.5% or so of the population.

  8. avatar David N says:

    Get that man a badge and uniform

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      He’s 67. Get that man a respirator and a prescription for Viagra.

      1. avatar H says:

        He may not need either. :):)

        1. avatar Publius Syrus says:

          oh yes he will – wait for the adoring older single ladies to read about him…. I think he is set for life.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      Dirty harry aside, there’s no reason for a badge and uniform- he’s just a guy defending himself. Would be nice if every criminal who tried to rob some old guy got he same.

    3. avatar CharlieH says:

      He’s one of the good guys. No need to ruin that with a badge.

  9. avatar Omer Baker says:

    God bless that poor man, I pray he recovers quickly.

  10. I come from Europe, where I grew up. I say this here often. All of the anti-gun bigotry of many Europeans (and “others”) is just utter crap. I lived through it. They took away the ability of one to self-defence, it’s a fact and I have lived it on my skin.

    It’s all BS.

    1. avatar Marcus (Aurelius) Payne says:

      Yup. How’s the weather down there?

  11. avatar Aaron says:

    “give me all you got”

    be careful what you wish for.

    1. avatar Bob108 says:

      With the price of lead and copper these days, you might say he gave up some precious metals during the robbery. 🙂

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        That qualifies as a valuable investment to society.

    2. avatar PhilWilson says:

      Indeed. You don’t get handed a straight line like that every day.

  12. avatar Charlie says:

    “An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” ― RAH. Beyond This Horizon

    We’re not there yet, but maybe it’s getting better.

  13. avatar DerryM says:

    This incident points up what is wrong with 18 year-old criminals in America today. They think they can take a Toy Gun and victimize older folks, who know if you want to do sh*t you use a real Gun. It would be interesting to know from whom those other cell pones and cash or whatever were taken. Betting more than a few were older people like the 67 year-old victim. The fact the victim knew to use the tactic he used suggests he was experienced. Many years ago one of my Scout Masters taught a bunch of us 12-13 year-olds a valuable lesson. “Never underestimate an older Man, because their experience can get you seriously hurt or killed.” In the intervening 50-odd years I have seen that proven many times. Here’s a perfect example.

    Hope the victim recovers from his chest pains and trauma. As for the perpetrator, I hope his example convinces some other young thug wanna be to change his ways and realize a better potential. This kid sure threw it all away. I am sorry for him, but he reaped what he sowed….and so it always goes.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      “I hope his example convinces some other young thug wanna be to change his ways and realize a better potential.”

      Oh, hell no.

      The up-and-comers will mock him for being stupid. At that age they have an amazing ignorance of their own fallibilities.

      1. avatar DerryM says:

        Yeah, most likely. I prefer to wish for the better, and be prepared to accept, the worse alternative, There’s no value in taking pleasure in the misfortunes of others. even if they are the cause of that misfortune.

        Probably the “up and comers” will take the lesson to use a real gun rather than a toy. Seems morality and common sense have become seriously perverse these days,

  14. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. (That never gets old, does it?)

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Nope.

      ‘Cuz they never learn…

  15. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

    “The victim fired one shot to 18-year-old Tyler Williams’ head, killing him and ending the attack.”

    …..that’s why I say “Hey, man, nice shot.”…..

    1. avatar Muddy Waters says:

      “What a good shot, man.”

  16. avatar Gs650g says:

    I grew up near this area. 30 years ago it was a nice area. Now it’s full of lowlife scum. Care to guess why?
    Here’s a hint: the demographics have changed drastically the past 25 years.

  17. avatar Cloudbuster says:

    This poor yute must have been really disadvantaged, because the poor boy doesn’t even seem to have a passel of relatives screaming about how the permit-holder shouldn’t have “taken the law in his own hands” and played “judge, jury and executioner” and how “no one deserves the death penalty for trying to use a toy gun to rob someone.” After all, the poor yute clearly meant no harm, because the gun was only a toy, right? A boy and his toy gun — how American and wholesome can you get? He just made some mistakes, and now he’ll never get a chance to correct those mistakes. O, what a tragedy!

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