Austin Whole Foods Bans Concealed Carry (Informally)

Whole Foods concealed carry sign (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

Returning from the Sin City SHOT Show, looking to re-stock my radicchio supply, I was waylaid by this pair of signs at my local Whole Foods. I immediately realized the letters aren’t big enough for a Texas-legal 30.06 sign (1″ tall by law). And what was all that other text? 30.06 signs are supposed to have the required wording – and nothing else. Unfortunately, the signs are posted on automatic doors that slide open at the mere thought of a customer. I had to step back, wait for the foot traffic to disappear, snap the photo, enlarge it and read the text. Here’s what it says . . .

Section  11.0412 of the Alcoholic Beverage Code requires this notice be provided that it is unlawful to carry a weapon on the premises unless the weapon is a concealed handgun the person is licensed to carry under Subchapter H. Chapter 411 of the government code. However all firearms including concealed handguns are prohibited on these premises. PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE [TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN], A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE [CONCEALED HANDGUN], MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN.

I wonder if you could appeal an arrest for refusing to leave Whole Foods with a legally concealed handgun on the basis that the market’s 30.06 sign uses brackets instead of parenthesis.

But I bet you could make a case that (again) the letters are too small and the sign confusing. You’re good to carry – except you aren’t. Clear as mud. And hard to read as it swishes out of view in less than a second.

Typical. The anti-gunners at Whole Foods couldn’t get the details right. Goes with the territory I suppose. I mean, if antis looked at the details of concealed carry they’d see that “allowing” Americans to exercise their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms on [unguarded, cash-rich] premises is [free] common sense crime control.

Nope. They’d rather plug their ears, close their eyes and pretend that nothing bad will come of their “gun-free zone” policy. Which is perfectly true – right until it isn’t.

comments

  1. avatar brentondadams says:

    Not from or in Texas but I spend time there and carry there.

    Isnt that the sign you see everywhere that sells alcohol? Like every gas station and HEB?

    It doesnt look like any 30.06 sign ive ever seen. Maybe the hemp smoking geniuses that run whole foods combined them?

    1. avatar brentondadams says:

      Just chiming in again to say I would feel more than comfortable ignoring it. Carry on.

      1. avatar Curtis in IL says:

        I would feel comfortable ignoring it just long enough to tell the manager he’ll never see me again, and why.

        As if we needed another reason not to buy grossly overpriced food.

        1. avatar somedude says:

          Agreed, however, I had the opportunity to eat some of their different beef roasts, largely because I was traveling on the company’s dime. The meat was delicious, but I’ll never eat there again. Stupid hoplophobes.

        2. avatar David PA/NJ says:

          The reason i go with the organic vegetables is because they can’t be grown in “biosolids” a lot of farmers are starting to use around the country. That’s marketing speak for dried human excrement they’re growing your food in

        3. avatar Curtis in IL says:

          Hey David, just wondering… what does that organic Kool-Aid taste like?

        4. avatar David P. says:

          I don’t mean to burst you bubble David PA/NJ but there is no offical definition of “organic”. It normally means no chemicals (pesticide/herbicide) are sprayed. But fertilizer is okay to be applied. With most of the organic farms being smaller operations they may not have the access to cheap animal based fertilizer like the nonorganic farms do and so they may buy whatever is cheapest to fertilize with and cities have a ton of this stuff they are trying to get rid of. Basically what I am saying is that unless you know the farmer and the process that they use than your idea of “organic” and their idea of “organic” can be two different things. Find a local farmer at a farmers market and ask them about their process and then buy from them. That way you know. As an infection control nurse I can tell you that as long as it was dried and cured properly the risk of diease is nothing rather it be pig, bovine, horse, or yes even human.

        5. avatar Organic 2A advocate says:

          David P. – Hate to burst YOUR bubble but there certainly is a definition of organic and it is administrated by the USDA NOP. I have owned a certified organic operation and you obviously have NO knowledge of the system and what it means. You are NOT free to choose what ever fertilizers you like. Synthetics are routinely prohibited. As for municipal biosludge, you also show your ignorance. Not only is it a vector pathogens, even if it is dried (which it is typically NOT) it is still laden with heavy metals, antibiotics and other substances not conducive to good ag practices.

          That said, I would not shop at Whole Paycheck even if they welcomed guns.

    2. avatar B says:

      Not a valid 30.06 sign. Even changing font size invalidates them. Carry on.

      1. avatar SouthernPatriot says:

        Ha! I will carry in as well as carry on!

      2. avatar David P. says:

        Just like a group of liberals. They break the law trying to break the law. Carry on until they can get it right. Then go somewhere else

    3. avatar Bob says:

      John Mackey (the founder of WF) claims to be a libertarian. Well, now I know he’s not. I carried in the downtown Austin store for 3 years until I moved out of state. They had some lettering on the door during those 3 years saying guns not permitted which I ignored (not a 30-06 sign). I figured it was to appease the lefties.

      They have an off duty cop in the store. I walked past him regularly. If I still lived there and saw the 30-06 sign, I think I would have thrown up right on the door.

    4. avatar Cuteandfuzzybunnies says:

      I dunno if he smokes hemp, but the guy who runs while foods john Mackey is an ardent libertarian and outspoken against socialism and government intrusion. Prolly more so that any CEO in the US today. I do not know his views on gun control, and I’m sure he believes he has a right to not allow guns on his property, but I’m actually surprised.

      1. avatar Raul Ybarra says:

        Honestly? This looks like something done by a local manager and not something that came down from corporate. Considering the CEO’s leanings, he might be interested in knowing about something like this. RF ought to kick it upstream and see if anything floats.

  2. avatar g says:

    So what, they have metal detectors at the entrance or something? I thought Texas was gunner paradise.

    The local Whole Foods here in WA don’t carry those signs, but these days, I spend a lot more time hitting up deals at Ranch 99, H-Mart, Viet-Wah, Uwajimaya, and farmer’s markets.

    1. avatar Custodian says:

      Someone mentioned a metal detector…

      What if they do?

      You got one of them Glock 7s (ha ha) handy? With the extra mags and plastic cartridges filled to the brim?

    2. avatar JasonM says:

      I’ve open carried at the Bellevue Whole Foods a few times.
      The only comment I’ve gotten from the staff was a woman at the deli telling me my gun was pretty.

    3. avatar SM says:

      This is Austin we’re talking about. It sits in it’s own little bit of land surrounded by the rest of Texas.

      1. avatar Mad Max says:

        I was in the Houston area recently and several of the Whole Foods stores there had the same sign. I didn’t go in.

    4. avatar SouthernPatriot says:

      No, just east a little more—you are thinking about Louisiana, where we are “Sportsman’s Paradise” and every judge has a gun rack in his pickup with loaded shotguns and at least one rifle. Where every neighbor carries open carry which is state law. And we have inexpensive and easy to obtain concealed carry, which is even recommended and subsidized by our local public school principal for all his staff and teachers.

      Just a little east where the eating is even better (crawfish etouffee, seafood gumbo, boudin balls, alligator sauce piquant, etc.)

    5. avatar TX Gungal says:

      ” I thought Texas was gunner paradise” No just paradise for those of us who grew up here and still live here, or got here as soon as they could.

  3. avatar Chip Bennett says:

    More important question: why are you shopping at Whole Foods in the first place? Do you just enjoy over-paying for groceries?

    1. avatar Robert Farago says:

      Fruit. Meat. Salad bar. Women of a certain age.

      1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

        I suppose I’m lucky that my local Kroger has the best meat and produce – and eye candy, for those of that persuasion. (I’ve never seen so many yoga pants in my life…)

      2. avatar Tex300BLK says:

        Women of a certain armpit/leg hair concentration…. there fixed it for you.

        Central Market has better steaks and a comparable beer/wine selection 😉

        1. avatar Robert Farago says:

          These woman are almost as well-preserved as the aged cheddar.

        2. avatar Thebear says:

          I’m with RF on this one. And for the record, it’s not just women of a certain age. Almost all women I have met in the Austin area prefer Whole Foods.

          I like it better too… but now thanks to this sign I will not be going there anymore.

        3. avatar Sixpack70 says:

          But do those women carry?

      3. avatar Avid Reader says:

        Just don’t start buying kale chips or you’ll have to turn in your man card.

        1. avatar notaTTAGreg says:

          But they’re so good…

      4. avatar Joel says:

        Looks like you’ll need to find another place to get your radicchio, fruit, meat, salad bar and women (of any age).

    2. avatar Custodian says:

      More evidence that Texas is not the gun friendly place people say it is. Seems more like a myth right now to this transplant North Carolinan. Especially since you Texans have to earn back your handgun open carry that every Texas cop has freely.

      By the by…

      Isn’t Whole Foods founded in Austin, Texas?

      1. avatar Taylor TX says:

        Well the thing about the 30.06 sign is that businesses can choose to put it up or not put it up, its basically up to the discretion of the property owner or corporate policy. Its generally a good indicator that corporate is probably some left wing turds and you shouldnt shop there.

      2. avatar pcrh says:

        TX is gun friendly. It’s just that TX is also property-owner rights friendly, too.

        That said, I’m pretty sure that sign doesn’t qualify as a 30.06 sign. They are (supposedly*) pretty strict about having the correct sized letters on the sign.

        * I haven’t actually tested this myself.

        1. avatar Bob says:

          Any cop can arrest someone based on that sign. Actually any cop can arrest someone for anything including nothing, but I digress…

          If that happens then it’s up to a jury to decide guilt. Good luck with an Austin jury. I don’t think they will quibble over letter size. They will convict.

      3. avatar Another Robert says:

        And I have to throw in, you absolutely cannot judge Texas from what goes on in Austin, culture-wise.

        1. avatar SouthernPatriot says:

          Say that again, and say it often and LOUD!

      4. avatar JPit says:

        As a Texan, I don’t really count Austin as being part of Texas. Is it a cool place to visit to eat, drink, and have a good time? Sure, but that’s about it.

        1. avatar NickinTX says:

          ^ +1

          Don’t forget about the scenery and some bands

        2. avatar B says:

          To be fair though, even the biggest leftiest liberal from Austin is still a gun hugging bible thumper compared to a New York republican.

        3. avatar BDub says:

          As a Texan also, I DO count Austin as part of Texas because, as a Texan, I refuse to surrender any ground to the enemy.

    3. avatar BDub says:

      I go there because it is walking distance from my job, when I need a lunch.

  4. avatar Fishydude says:

    The sign should say “only criminals may enter with a gun.”

  5. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    Not surprising, I’ve been in bars where the 51% sign is just a black and white printout of a picture that management found doing a google search, all distorted and pixelated from jacked up scaling and printing as an image, and then stuck off in the corner somewhere.

    Doubt that Art would cut you a break though if you got busted carrying in there.

    1. avatar Robert Farago says:

      Yeah Art’s not my friend – in the Leghornian Remington sense.

      1. avatar John L. says:

        Art?

        1. avatar Brian says:

          Art Acevado, chief of APD.

  6. avatar Jon says:

    On sliding automatic doors…

    http://tinyurl.com/qgnp9md

    Geniuses alright.

  7. avatar Michael Wilson says:

    I think everyone should ignore it.

    1. avatar Roscoe says:

      That’s a great idea!

      You go first.

  8. avatar alexander says:

    Make it a point to not shop there. In this economy, a business will fold if it loses even 10% of its customers. And make sure that the management knows why they’re going out of business.

  9. avatar Ross says:

    I choose to disregard these type of signs on top of that I can conceal my EDC gear very effectively, that being said your milage may very.

    1. avatar Skyler says:

      Well, yeah, of course you can carry and not get caught. That’s always been true everywhere. The issue is what happens if you get caught? Then you have a felony and are likely to lose all your gun rights for life. Yeah, not worth it. Are you sure you won’t trip and fall, pass out, have to defend yourself, bump into someone, etc.?

      Let’s just say you happen to resemble the description of a criminal suspect so the cops come up and question you, and do a Terry stop right there in the produce aisle? You’re screwed. Nope, I wouldn’t risk it. Austin DA will prosecute, and you can appeal based on the height of the letters in the sign, and you might win, but an appeal can cost tens of thousands of dollars, and it’s a good question as to whether you would win.

  10. avatar pod says:

    I always figured WF to prohibit carry on their store premises in states where legal carry is otherwise allowed, but I’ve never seen a sign posted prohibiting carry, at least in the stores in Florida. So, I carry in WF much like I do everywhere else it is legally OK to carry. Concealed is concealed. Unless they start doing metal-detection or pat-downs every time I go get my turkey wrap, no one is the wiser.

  11. avatar surlycmd says:

    Tell the manager you re not going to shop there anymore and why. Then tell him/her it is apparent they do not really care because they could not be bothered to get the sign details right.

    1. avatar B.Malloy says:

      Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. If they have improperly posted signs, why tell them that? As of right now, they aren’t legally enforceable.

  12. avatar vactor says:

    welcome to chicago. nonsense like that is all over the place. both proper and improper signage. basically you can carry to and from the car …

  13. avatar Blake says:

    The sign may be unclear, however, it is private property. As such, I think we need to respect the property rights of Whole Paycheck and not shop there.

    1. avatar Amok! says:

      on the second amendment and property rights for businesses open to the public? NO. Private residence, YES.

      1. avatar Yellow Devil says:

        Disagree. Just because a Business is open to the public doesn’t mean property rights are automatically trumpeted. If so, that gives the government at every level a reason to start dictating to the business what they can or cannot do. Of course we already have that to a certain degree anyways (absolute worst is banking and healthcare), but in terms of the right of the individual business to provide service, we should be moving away from that mentality.

        1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          I believe that private property rights do not inherently and automatically extend to property that is used for public commerce, and must be balanced with the rights of the public with whom that property is intended to be used to engage.

          That balance does not mean that the State gets to circumvent all property rights automatically, nor does it mean that the property owner may violate all rights of the public persons invited onto the property for public commerce.

          Ultimately, I have yet to see a valid argument that someone merely exercising the right to keep and bear arms in any way inherently interferes with the conduct of a public business.

        2. avatar Another Robert says:

          I’m with YD, have to disagree with Chip on this one. Going down the “It’s privately owned, but open to the public=state control is proper” road leads straight to “bake my cake or go to jail, Mrs. bakery owner”–and so on ad infinitum. As far as I’m concerned, it should have been left strictly up to Ollie who he wanted to serve his BBQ to. Since then, probably 99% of nanny-state intrusion has been based on the alleged authority of the state to regulate public commerce.

        3. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          Going down the “It’s privately owned, but open to the public=state control is proper” road leads straight to “bake my cake or go to jail, Mrs. bakery owner”–and so on ad infinitum.

          That’s exactly the false dilemma that I implied when I referenced the balance of rights in the public conduct of affairs. Being forced to participate in something that is a sincere violation of one’s conscience (such as being forced to create a custom cake or take photographs for a homosexual wedding, forcing a Kosher deli to serve non-Kosher foods – or vice versa, forcing a Muslim butcher to handle bacon, etc.) is clearly wrong.

          Someone walking into a public business while carrying a firearm (especially a concealed firearm, but the same applies to a lawfully open-carried firearm) can not reasonably be construed to violate the conscience of the business owner.

          The former requires the business owner to take explicit action in a manner that violates the business owner’s conscience. The latter requires no action, explicit or implicit, on the part or the business owner.

  14. avatar NoID says:

    If you do a little research on the CEO, John Mackey, you’ll find him to be quite freedom-minded and very much a proponent of Libertarian ideals. As a former employee of Whole Foods Market, I’m actually kind of shocked to see this sign.

    1. avatar Taylor TX says:

      Interesting find, as I would have assumed the opposite but was honestly not concerned enough to do the research. Good stuff!

    2. avatar Cogitans says:

      It might just be the actions of the store manager.

    3. avatar Scott P says:

      Clearly he isn’t libertarian since he doesn’t like people being able to defend themselves in his store.

  15. avatar RickTesta says:

    Whole Foods has had that policy for at least a year…but has never posted it before in public. On their website, they wrote:
    “No one, including Team Members, customers and vendors, may bring firearms, concealed weapons, explosives, or the like to any Whole Foods Market store/facility location. Only commissioned law enforcement officers or other authorized security personnel are permitted to have firearms on Company premises.”

    So, here’s an easy exemption…make yourself an “authorized security personnel”, since it doesn’t say who/what the authorizing authority has to be for those people, just that law enforcement officers need to be commissioned.
    Of course, YMMV depending on the specific laws of you locale.

    1. avatar Geoff PR says:

      Easy-Peasy..

      I’m authorized to provide security for my body…

      Looks like I’m good to go…

  16. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    If open carry actually passes, the very next thing POTG need to focus on is getting rid the absurd 30.06 law. If a store wants to post a “no guns” sign, that fine, it’s their right to do so. But exercising your right to keep and bare arms should not get your arrested.

    1. avatar Cogitans says:

      and what about property rights?

      1. avatar Model 31 says:

        I suppose it will remain illegal to shoot someone else’s property…sign or no.

      2. avatar Stinkeye says:

        Property rights can still be respected – such signs could be enforced the way many other localities do: the management/owner can ask you to leave if you’re carrying, and it only becomes a crime (usually something like criminal trespass) if you then refuse to leave. But making it a class A misdemeanor the instant you cross the threshold and step inside with an otherwise legally-carried gun (even if nobody has any way to know you have it) is idiotic.

        In any case, I try to always respect the wishes of any business that posts any sort of “no guns” sign, even if it’s not legally enforceable – I don’t give them any of my money.

      3. avatar Amok! says:

        Private residential property, yes. Businesses property open to the general public, NO.

        1. avatar Yellow Devil says:

          Again disagree. We have similar laws in AZ. If a private business that is open to the public puts up a sign, it’s only a misdemeanor of trespassing after the owner, manager or employee sees it, asks me to leave and I refuse.

        2. avatar Another Robert says:

          I guess I have to fall in the middle on this one. To me, the sign is written notice that you and your gun are not welcome on my property. I really don’t see why I should have to add verbal notice to that. Same thing if I, for whatever reason, did not want pets or children or ice ream cones on my property. The only good reason I can think of for requiring verbal notice is a proof problem–if the putative trespasser claims he did not see my sign and therefore didn’t have notice that he was not welcome. I suppose requiring verbal notice from the outset would address that.

        3. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          Same thing if I, for whatever reason, did not want pets or children or ice ream cones on my property.

          Except that pets, children, and/or ice cream cones can reasonably be construed to interfere with your business (by causing a disruption, being unsanitary, damaging goods, etc.).

          A firearm can do none of those things.

    2. avatar JeffW says:

      I agree. A civilian should not have the right to make me a criminal for an otherwise legal activity.

  17. avatar Warren says:

    So the text isn’t at least 1″ tall? Well, then. It doesn’t matter what it says, it’s not a legally enforceable sign. So far, in the few years I’ve been licenced, I’ve seen exactly three places in Austin that I can’t carry at because they’re the only ones that have had proper 30.06 signage: hospitals, Ikea, and Sprouts. I never really liked Sprouts, so their posting the sign was the incentive I needed to never go back. Somewhere in that Whole Foods, a closet is missing its broom.

    1. avatar Taylor TX says:

      Yep the Sprouts in Plano is the exact same way, one of the largest signs I have come across so far, unfortunately my wife loves sprouts so she is kind of peeved we are no longer going there. As for Ikea, that sign saved me 3 hours of Maritally forced browsing a week or so ago, but the 30.06 is a complete steaming crock. I got quite the kick out of the “Weapons Free Zone” posting on the front door of IKEA, as if anyone that doesnt care about being legal would give it another look.

  18. avatar Excedrine says:

    Concealed means concealed. 😉 Just sayin’.

  19. avatar Pascal says:

    Challenge the sign. If they want to ban, force them to do it correctly.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Or just let them alone and don’t inform them that the sign, quite literally, means nothing… You know, so you can actually keep carrying legally while going there.

      1. avatar Stinkeye says:

        Or, better still, don’t go there. They clearly don’t respect your rights, so find somewhere else to buy ridiculously-priced fruit.

        1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          I agree, ideologically. However, it’s becomes quite a chore to find all the gun friendly products, places, and companies, only stick to them.

          I’ve tried, and if you have anything that resembles a life, you’ll likely make some concessions.

  20. avatar Komrad says:

    I’ve personally seen incorrect signs in Illinois all over
    two different plasma donation centers, a mosque, a Buffalo Wild Wings, and a Wal-Greens
    the only correct signs I’ve seen have been on University of Illinois property and on Champaign-Urbana MTD buses and buildings

  21. avatar SteveInCO says:

    The whole foods nearest to me has a no gun sign, and has for at least several months. It’s small, it’s inconspicuous (30.06 is a peculiarity of Texas, not Colorado, law), and they can FOAD, they get no more money from me.

    Honestly the huge rafts of people here willing to ignore a sign so they can hand their money to anti-gunners astounds me.

  22. avatar Will says:

    To be pedantic, and this is Law we’re talking about, I see two signs, not one. And 30.06(3)(B) says “a sign posted on the property that” and (i) says “includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish”.

    I see two signs. One in english, and one in spanish.

    1. avatar Julian says:

      30.06
      (c) In this section:
      (3) “Written communication” means:
      (B) a sign posted on the property that:
      (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
      (ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
      (iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

      Their sign fails to meet the legal requirement on two counts: letters not 1 inch high (I’ll take Robert’s word for it,) and the sign is not displayed in a manner clearly visible (which includes readable) to the public.

      1. avatar doesky2 says:

        That looks like an 8.5×11 piece of paper with 15 lines on it plus white space.
        Quite impossible to be 1″ high letters.

  23. avatar Aaron says:

    whether Im carrying or not is on a “need to know basis”, and if Whole Foods ever has a need to know that I’m carrying, it will be because we all have a bigger problem occurring than a ccw holder “tresspassing”.

  24. avatar Ralph says:

    No guns in Whole Foods? Save the baby kales!

  25. avatar Buffalo Bob says:

    Other than what is printed on the back of my Michigan CPL as being a no carry zone by law, I pay no mind to any business or what have you that says I cant carry! I just go on about my business with no regard, and no one is the wiser!
    Matter of fact I gotta run to Target time now! carry on.. being asked to leave the property is one thing. But the worst thing that can happen is you get killed by a criminal because you abide by some ‘Rules, that are not laws’

  26. avatar SteveInCO says:

    But the worst thing that can happen is you get killed by a criminal because you abide by some ‘Rules, that are not laws’

    You could, you know, choose to go to places that don’t make such rules, instead of rewarding the people who do.

  27. avatar Mr. Antisocial Guy says:

    Glad I’m in Indiana where the signs don’t carry the weight of law. In other words the worst they can do is ask you to leave. (If they figure it out your armed, that is.) Carry On!

  28. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    That’s not a legal sign, not even close, point of fact.

    But hey, concealed be concealed.

    I do my shopping at Kroger, I can carry, they told MDA to pound sand, points towards discounted gas, locally grown and organic items, and there’s an armed deputy there- what’s not to love.

    Also, I don’t like all the pretenious looking people at Trader Joes, Sprouts, Whole Foods, not a fan of nose up in the air crowd.

    1. avatar ghost says:

      Or the head up butt crowd either.

  29. avatar Phil LA says:

    Also, it’s not in English AND Spanish. Looks like a non-binding sign to me.

    But the point has been made; they don’t want your dollars. I’m sure Kroger, Target and Wal-Mart are nearby.

    1. avatar SteveInCO says:

      Target has stated they don’t want your guns either. It’s not engraved in a corporate policy or anything like that, but they knuckled under to Harpies Demand Action and issued a press release.

      1. avatar Phil LA says:

        I thought they opposed only open carry? If so, Wally, Kroger and Winn-Dixie.

      2. avatar tdiinva says:

        Target expressed a preference not a command. Their primary preference is to get your money. I bet if you walked into your local target OCing nobody would bat an eyelash.

  30. avatar Alan Brooks says:

    Just park in the basement. I’ve never seen a sign down there.

  31. avatar ghost says:

    Texas is firearm friendly, but not idiot proof.

  32. avatar IAB2 says:

    Eh. Its Austin.

  33. avatar Chris Mallory says:

    If you don’t own the property, then obey the rules of the people who do. You don’t have any right to shop at a particular grocery store.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      It’s ok, the business owner didn’t build that… Obama said, so we’re good.

  34. avatar BDub says:

    BZZZZT! no force of law. Try again.

  35. avatar Julian says:

    30.06 signs are supposed to have the required wording – and nothing else

    That’s not what the law says. “Includes” does not preclude additional wording. Being posted on a sliding door that makes it nearly impossible to read is another matter entirely, though.

    30.06
    (c) In this section:
    (3) “Written communication” means:
    (B) a sign posted on the property that:
    (i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

    1. avatar Bob says:

      The lettering has to be 1 inch high. Not sure for the whole thing, but at least the opening part. I think it’s the whole thing though.

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Julian,

      “‘Includes’ does not preclude additional wording.”

      Actually it does in a legal context. To accomplish what you said, the law would have to say, “Includes, but is not limited to …”

      1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

        Actually it does in a legal context. To accomplish what you said, the law would have to say, “Includes, but is not limited to …”

        I have a hard time believing that such argument would withstand a legal challenge – nor should it.

  36. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    I’ve been to a few whole foods in Illinois. Lot’s of overpriced s##t. Do whatever you want RF. Concealed is concealed. I’m pretty happy I’m not looking to score women of a certain age or weirdness…been there-done that…

  37. avatar Gearmoe says:

    We are talking Whole Foods here, a well know snoot-fest for those who prefer consuming organic kale. Screw them, most smart people know their stuff is nothing special.

  38. avatar actionphysicalman says:

    I probably won’t shop there but this doesn’t upset me. It’s their property.

  39. avatar Robb says:

    They started posting those signs in other cities in Tx at least 6 months ago. Sent em a letter saying I won’t return, and why. Got a crap form letter back. Even though it doesn’t meet the letter of the law I’m not inclined to risk being a test case for the legality. The ole “beat the rap but not the ride” issue.

    Central Market is better anyways.

    1. avatar NotoriousAPP says:

      It’s true, the food select and prices are better at central market but whole foods has the only good beer bar near my house.

      1. avatar Robb says:

        Opal Divine’s a little bit north of the Domain store is quite lovely.

    2. avatar Henry says:

      Guns are not permitted in HEB or Central Market stores. You will be asked to conceal your weapon.

  40. avatar Jim R says:

    Time to buy your radicchio somewhere else.

    Whole Foods is a store run by and for elitist yuppies and liberal hipsters. Kroger is cheaper anyway.

  41. avatar Aaron says:

    what’s all of this hating on Whole Foods? They have awesome meats, sausages, uncured bacon, seafood, dry aged steaks, and other good stuff that makes the skinny vegans start sweating uncomfortably.

    Last time I was in Whole Foods pocket carrying a CM9 in an Uncle George, the hippy chick behind the counter said, “is that an organic cucumber in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?”

  42. avatar tdiinva says:

    I will conceal carry in Whole Foods in Virginia. All they can do is ask me to leave. Don’t ask and I won’t tell.

  43. avatar Michael Stuart says:

    I like Whole Foods for the excellent milk and free-range chicken and eggs.
    I’m pissed as hell about the 30.06 signs though; I’ve carried there for years, providing them with free protection. I get along fine with the constable who stands guard at night and we talk about the latest Glock (combat tupperware).

    No more.

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    WRITE to them. I’ve sent three certified letters to the CEO and heads of marketing in Texas.

    Keep up the pressure. They’re not gaining any business with those signs, and there’s plenty of competition; make them aware of it. I even used the easy filter on my credit card’s web page to print up a list and total of my purchases last year and included that; MONEY TALKS. Let’em know it’s un-American, un-Texan, un-Friendly….and costly.

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      excellent points. If WF bans guns where I live, I’ll write, too. But I’ll still carry regardless, unobtrusively.

    2. avatar cigardog says:

      Agreed. I think Whole Foods is salvageable from an RKBA standpoint given the CEO’s somewhat libertarian leanings. I’d love to see them come around on this issue.

  44. avatar muddywaters says:

    The WF up at the Domain has a 30.06 sign about as big as a Honda Civic…they must have learned from this one too because they put it on the stationary door

  45. avatar Michael Stuart says:

    P.S.–here’s an online petition:
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    Writing a letter is a lot more effective though.

  46. avatar NotoriousAPP says:

    I checked the whole foods at Mopac and William Cannon after I saw this post. The coonts had the same sign put up on one of their doors at this store also. Shame.

  47. avatar Nicholas says:

    The letters aren’t 1″ high – so the sign is invalid, but there’s nothing in the law that I could find that said the sign couldn’t be on the same physical sign as other information. Their intent is clear so I’d give my money to someone else. You _shouldn’t_ be convicted of trespassing, though, if caught. That doesn’t mean you won’t be arrested if some cop doesn’t know the law and your concealment isn’t as good as you thought.

  48. avatar Skygirl says:

    Whole Foods is now another Criminal Empowerment Zone. How nice that law abiding citizens have been disarmed for the criminals’ convenience.

  49. avatar Red in Texas says:

    Considering that Whole Foods clientele doesn’t consist of any Lone Star Card shoppers, I’d say it is now a target rich environment for parking lot muggings, and such. If you chose to keep shopping there, Farago, don’t take the Ferrari. 🙂

  50. avatar Chris says:

    If Hole Foods doesn’t like my gun, they don’t need my $$$ or my presence. Fine.
    HEB has friendly helpful staff, good fresh baked goods, produce & meat, & decent prices.
    Why would I go somewhere I’m not wanted?
    They may find that in Texas, they’re not following a very sound marketing policy by doing this.

  51. I really love the stores. And the CEO is actually a personal hero of mine. I have as a small business owner tried to model a lot of what’ve do after John. That’s why it hurts me to say I can no longer shop at whole foods. They will no longer let me in. In fact they have posted signs saying that try no longer want me inside, and have no respect for my civil rights or the civil rights of others in my minority group. Please whole foods respect all civil rights even the right of self defense. And John I thought your a libertarian. WTF? I respect your stores property rights but it is not smart to trust personal defense to the state. Also I might as that study after study shows licensed concealed carry holders are LESS likely than police officers to commit violent crimes. So you would be safer NOT allowing police in your store and allowing us( nobody is suggesting that).

    So does anybody know if Sprouts has a sign?

  52. avatar LTC F says:

    I’d say I’m going to boycot Whole Foods, but since I’ve never set foot in a Whole Foods in my life that wouldn’t have too much impact.

    You need to get out of Austin occasionally RF. Carry is welcome at Smoky Moe’s BBQ or Dahlia’s Cafe up here in Liberty Hill.

  53. avatar Ragnarredbeard says:

    I live in GA and I carry at the mall, which also has a nice sign. But they don’t have metal detectors, so I ignore the signs. Concealed is concealed.

  54. avatar Pg2 says:

    Makes perfect sense, it’s for the foods safety?

    1. avatar Michael Staurt says:

      Pretty sure the cows are dead already, but by carrying I can be sure 🙂

  55. avatar ropingdown says:

    When you see a news article about someone busted for CCW in a Texas WF (someone who wasn’t creating a problem otherwise…), let me know. I think the signs are up for insurance purposes. Here in PA they don’t seem to mind. They’re tearing down 200 yards of little shops in my small town so that they can replace the normal WF with a mega WF with a restaurant with separate bar and live music. Don’t know if the music or booze will be organic. They’re competitive in price with the large farmer’s market one mile away. Whether you mind the prices is just a personal issue. We have a SuperFresh, a Giant, a Trader Joes, and the Farmers Market. No one has to pay for organic if they don’t want it. However, if you want a choice of hot sauces, WF is the place to go. Same with olive oils and good vinegars.

  56. avatar Hannibal says:

    “I wonder if you could appeal an arrest for refusing to leave Whole Foods with a legally concealed handgun on the basis that the market’s 30.06 sign uses brackets instead of parenthesis…”

    That would be a good arrest. If they ask you to leave (for almost any reason), and you refuse to do so, you are trespassing and subject to arrest. This is regardless of the signage or lack thereof.

  57. avatar Larry says:

    The sign has turned up at the Whole Foods at San Antonio’s Quarry Market. Guess it’s statewide now.

    1. avatar Jon says:

      They better not be placing it on sliding automatic-doors and claim people who don’t see it are violators!

  58. avatar Charles Kendrix says:

    I’ve only been in WF a handful of times in my life so they won’t be missing much when I never go in again.
    I hope others will exercise their right to spend their money where they and their rights are appreciated.

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