Guns & Ammo's Taurus Curve article (courtesy gunsandammo.com)

John Boch at gunssavelife.com doesn’t care for the new Taurus Curve. “By all appearances, it seems to be a striker-fired double action semi-auto. It comes with an integral belt clip and can be stuffed right inside the waistband in the appendix, inside-the-waistband carry mode. That kids, is dangerous . . .Would you stuff a loaded Glock down the front of your pants, sans holster, for everyday carry?” Boch is not enamored with the Curve’s lack of sights. “It’s got a (non-intuitively activated) laser and a flashlight, so you can waste precious time activating and the locating the laser on the bad-guy’s shirt (assuming it’s not bright sunlight and he’s wearing dark clothing) before pulling the trigger.” And, last but by no means least, Boch takes issue with Guns & Ammo’s coverage . . .

Upon reading it, we couldn’t help but think back to that fictional CQB MK-V Tactical Destroyer review and wonder if a similar discussion took place between Guns & Ammo executives and the writers.  “Hey man, Taurus has inked a huge ad contract with us for the next few months to promote this new pistol they’ve come out with called ‘The Curve’.  Can you take it out and write something up as a feature article to go with the cover photo we’re going to do for them?”

As we at Guns Save Life receive zero dollars in ad revenues from Taurus USA, we’re going to call a turd a turd.

Which is exactly what Boch’s article says in the title: TAURUS TURD: Guns & Ammo loves Taurus’ new Taurus Curve, a curved .380 pocket pistol. This did not sit well with G&A. Tough titty, you say? We’ll sue, G&A’s Online Shooting Editor (who seems to have taken his job title a tad too literally) via Facebook.

Dustin Gibson
Nov 20th, 8:17am
To Whom it May Concern,

Regarding your website’s illegal use of our photography and slanderous statements about our publication (Guns & Ammo), you have until Nov. 21, 2014 at 8 a.m. CT to remove all content from your website that was stolen and/or improperly quoting our publication.

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=14719&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=taurus-turd-guns-ammo-loves-taurus-new-taurus-curve-a-curved-380-pocket-pistol

If the material is not removed by that time, we will seek legal action immediately.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions.

Regards,
——————————-
Dusty Gibson
Online Shooting Editor
InterMedia Outdoors
2 News Plaza
Peoria, IL 61614
Office: (309)-679-5098
Mobile: (630)-618-0253

Boch says he ain’t backing down. He called Gibson. The two men forgot to discuss the fact that slander is spoken (libel is written). G&A refused to provide damning deets.

I called him to get some specifics of how I slandered them in calling their story on the new Taurus gun what it was:  a puff piece.

Dusty’s reply:  “I’m going to have to defer to my publisher on that.”

Just another nail in the coffin of the dead tree gun press, I reckon. Meanwhile, hats off to John Boch for telling the truth about guns (as he sees it), and sticking to his guns.

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98 Responses to Guns & Ammo to Sue Guns Save Life for Diss of Taurus Curve Puff Piece

  1. For G&A to sue , that says a lot about their association with the manufacturer. Enough that an SEC investigation for kickbacks/bribery towards G&A would be appropriate; combined with the R51 flap, clearly some payola’s at work here.

    • I absolutely agree with the need to investigate kickbacks at Guns and Ammo. The lawsuit is pure BS under the Copyright Act of 1976, Fair Use is given for Criticism, Comment, News Reporting, Teaching, Scholarship and Research. John’s article about said Guns and Ammo puff piece falls under 5 of the 6 criteria for fair usage. Although it would be a nice payday from a counter-suit for him.

  2. So G and A wrote a puff piece and accepted Taurus advertising. Big deal. People can make up their own minds about what to buy and smart buyers will read the review and look at the results to compare to other guns.How may people actually will buy it because it’s a Cover Gun?

    • People buy “cover guns” for the same reason they by Kardashian sunglasses, Jordan shoes, and other celebrity endorsed crap. Because the average consumer is not all that bright. If someone or something like a magazine says “X” is great, then they go buy it without a thought of their own to actually do any further research.

  3. Threats of a lawsuit on FB? Serious business.

    That said… “That kids, is dangerous . . .Would you stuff a loaded Glock down the front of your pants, sans holster, for everyday carry?” I don’t see it as all that dangerous as long as it has a secure clip. I don’t see how the trigger would get pulled.

    I would prefer an IWB holster for a variety of reasons, but I don’t see a huge problem with it. And I get all the criticisms of GSL, but a I remarked in the last article, I’m happy to see someone trying something a little different in the largely stagnant handgun market. If it doesn’t work, fine, but let’s give the thing a chance.

    • I used to follow a forum dedicated to the P-64 pistol, those guys got really excited about the “Clip-Draw”, a metal clip that could be attached directly to the gun and then could fit over your belt/waistband. Presumably it could be used either OWB or IWB. None of those guys seemed to think it was particularly dangerous, and several of them were very satisfied with it. I would think it would be better to carry it IWB myself, where the trigger would be covered by the waistband and the pressure between waistband and waist would make it more secure. I don’t see it as especially hazardous myself.

      • Back in the olden days, you could get special grip panels for snubbies that had a clip that would let you tuck them right into your waistband. A few rubber bands up at the top of the grip would accomplish something similar on a budget. That seems safer to me than tucking a snubby in your coat pocket without a holster, which used to be very common.

        • Hip-Grips and Clip Grips are still available.

          But not for long.

          MDA is going after them because they want all non-LEO holsters to be retention-level XXIII.

        • Retention level XXIII?

          Let’s see, if I recall correctly retention level XII was “Pistol in a solid block of concrete, jackhammer required to draw” so I am not sure what an additional XI levels accomplishes.

        • Smith & Wesson currently offers the “S&W M637 Wyatt Deep Cover 5RD 38SP 1.87″ Performance Center” model with clip draw grips. Double-action only….

        • Retention level XXIII: Firearm is condensed into dark matter, fired into a distant star. Creation of wormhole required to retrieve firearm, which must then be converted from ultra dense dark matter back to its original configuration.

      • To be fair, the P-64 is known for an obscene DA trigger pull, so the chance of an ND would be less likely than with, say, a modern striker-fired semi-auto (MSFSA? Can we make than an acronym?). Although, given a sturdy enough belt that’s tightened down over the gun… I think that might give enough protection of the trigger. Me, though? I’ll stick with my RCS Vanguard 2, which at least covers the trigger guard (if nothing else).

  4. The curve is a hammer fired, long heavy trigger pull, not comparable to a Glock whatsoever. Not sure why he calls it striker fired.
    Also, it comes with a kydex trigger pullstring holster if you dont want to use the clip.
    I actually kind of like it, might pick one up.

      • I know with other holsters with the string they just used the pants for retention and the string to pull the holster off on draw, though the clip in conjunction with the holster completely eliminates the “issue” he brings up in the first place.
        His comparisons are moot.
        Non holster carry Glock = hammer fired DA only pistol with kydex trigger holster and clip…..hurrr

        With that said the G&A response is a bit overboard, but the GSL write-up is nonsense

    • The idea is to use the holster and the clip. Holster protects the trigger and its lanyard goes around your belt so it breaks free when you draw.

      I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but it’s the idea.

      • Its not a BAD idea. I know those EXACT holsters were hugely popular not long ago for Glocks.
        Its a great minimal approach IMO. Triggers covered, no added bulk, pulls clear on draw.
        Only downside is reholstering isnt as easy as a traditional rig.

      • Yes, as I see it if you want to carry with one in the chamber you absolutely should use the trigger guard cover. You’re going to use the clip to clip the gun in your waistband or wherever else no matter what. No round in the pipe then no actual reason to cover the trigger guard and clip it in as-is. Carry chambered? Cover the damn trigger guard and clip it in with the guard on first. Run your belt through the lanyard so when you draw the pistol, the trigger guard cover stays behind.

      • Its hammer fired DAO.
        You can tell by looking at the back of the slide.
        Its also described as hammer fired DAO in its description.

      • Yes, it’s very clearly internal hammer-fired. You can see it from the rear.

        At this point I actually feel like it most likely is not a true double action mechanism, in that I’m guessing the slide does have to cycle some amount to reset the trigger. This is due to Taurus’ lack of branding this with their “second strike capability” marketing speak… they may have actually been the first company to use as a way of saying it’s a true double action… and also because the mechanics seem to come from Taurus’ TCP, which requires the slide to partially cycle in order to reset the trigger. Just because the trigger pull is long doesn’t mean it’s actually double action, and my guess is that even though they’re referring to it as DAO it isn’t a legit DA trigger. …but just a guess, and it has nothing to do with hammer- or striker-fired. You can make true DAO and true SAO triggers with either mechanism if you choose to.

        • Actually, it looks like the Guns & Ammo piece specifically says “no restrike capability.” The gun is still referred to as DAO. To me, though, no gun is double action unless pulling the trigger fully cocks and releases the firing mechanism over and over without any other action being required.

          …and the same goes for the Kahr and LC9s mentioned above. Neither of those is a true double action, as the slide must cycle in order to reset the mechanism.

    • Yup, this thing interests me. I addition to NOT being striker fired, as one can easily see in the taurususa.com photos, I’m going to make the wild guess that the clip is meant to enhance pocket carry. Get it? Pocket pistol? I’m not sure why so many are incensed here. This is a whole lot of nothing. Nobody knew magazines make money from advertising? But it is nice to see a company like Taurus think outside the box to help us protect ourselves.

  5. What crap. I’ll bet that Dusty is gonna have a lot of voicemails to delete. Publishers need to stop this behavior–it’s horrible publicity for them and just plain evil.

  6. the problem is what this guy sang sister boss is saying he’s absolutely true guns and ammo and other publications just like it pick up these firearms to do a review number one they’re not even getting a product out of a gun store they’re getting shipped directly from the maker a fire on that has been gone through to make sure its perfect in every way. You don’t get a real review and a product I haven’t seen guns and ammo do an honest review on anything in the last 15 years. Everything’s wonderful and their eyes! That’s why I’m more inclined to believe Mr bashas review over anything that GNA with you!

    • No worries. Were you the guy who posted a while ago and some folks jumped all over you for misspellings and and the like, only to have it revealed that you were using voice to text to overcome some disabilities?

  7. If the Curve doesn’t catch on in the civilian market, Taurus could make excellent brand-exposure inroads in sci-fi movies with this.

      • Now that’s funny!

        Thinking about it, this would be a sweet pistol for shooting around a hostage to hit the cowardly thug!

        I’m just sayin…..

  8. I’m not sure, maybe GSL took it too far. It’s one thing to complain about a product, but entirely another to publish that a company is writing favorable reviews because of a sponsorship with a company. Saying that without proof isn’t right IMO.

    • It also seems a bit premature to call the gun a “turd” based on a couple of photographs. Without having even handled one, let alone fired one, it seems like it would be difficult to pass such definitive judgment.

      • I don’t think Guns&Ammo would have been any happier if he had just said it “looks” like a turd.

        I don’t see how anyone who currently owns and wants to maintain proficiency with another handgun would want to shoot this gun enough to acquire proficiency with it. Especially with point shooting, which is about all this gun appears to be good for. I can see a lot of bad habits developing from that grip.

      • Normally, I’d agree with you. However, the Curve is an exception, at least for me (whether a gun is “good” or not is a very subjective thing, and other people may have different criteria than I do).

        1. It has no sights. None.
        2. It has a built in light and laser. When it comes to carry guns, simpler is better, IMO. What happens if the laser’s battery dies? There’s no backup sights, so what do you do? Point shoot, and hope for the best, I guess…
        3. It has a built in belt clip. This encourages potentially unsafe carry habits (i.e. sticking it in a pocket with a bunch of other crap without a holster/trigger cover), especially for newer, less experienced gun owners that don’t know any better.
        4. It is a Taurus. I know they’ve come a long way over the years, but why pay that much for a Taurus when you can get a Smith and Wesson, Ruger, or Kahr (amongst other brands) for roughly the same amount of money?
        5. It is ugly as sin. Function over form, and all that, but still… absolutely hideous.

    • Why am I not surprised to find two gun publications locked in a near-litigation spat over whether some item is a turd? Most of you realize just how many guns manufactured today are turds. Somebody’s got to advertise the turd. This is America.

      And anyway, turds carried IWB may be all the rage next spring, after some action movie protagonist kills Putin’s evil twin with a shot from a laser-aimed turd at fifty yards. Tell me you know it ain’t so.

      I’m very disappointed the Curve doesn’t include a cigarette lighter. I thought it was one when I saw the first photo.

    • I remember reading Guns & Wammo when I first got into shooting.

      As I recall, every article that compared multiple guns boiled down to…

      “They’re all such good guns, it wouldn’t be fair for us to pick a winner. We’ll leave it to you, fair reader, to pick.”

      Once I caught on to their methods, I ditched reading G&A and subscribed to Gun Tests instead.

      • +1 on Gun Tests.

        However, they’ve been spamming me (snail- and e-mail) a lot the past few months with offers for books and whatnot … Not sure what started that nonsense.

  9. I expect to see a TTAG curve review at some point cough cough 🙂

    While its outside the box and all, I actually want to see how it ends up working/not working. Not having sights even with the included laser is pretty dicey imho but not enough to completely write off the pistol.

    Ill wait to see if its the r51 part deux or not.

    • I have handled it, and while its not the most ergonomic thing in the world it ain’t bad. It does the job for pocket carry, and it looks slick. Then again, I still have yet to actually fire one. Stay tuned.

      • I’d like to get my hands on it ASAP. Considering I’ve been shooting Taurus’ TCP regularly for a couple of years and have one here plus have a Beretta Pico here and like 400 rounds of .380 from 6 different brands I’d say I’m ready to go on the Curve 😉

        • I think that’s a pretty good pun, to be completely honest haha. This is coming from a single, abstinent 25 year old, with a neck beard in mom’s basement.

          Ok I exaggerated a little bit. I shave my neck(whilst preserving the rest of my luxurious face fur), and I’m in the attic. 😉 OFWG-in-training

  10. Who doesn’t love a good cat fight?
    Oh, sorry!
    These guys are both males, but then, who knows, in this day and age?

    Smaller than a true nine mm? I would simply opt for a real good .22!

  11. I think you’ve got an error in the lead. You mention and link to “gunssavelives.net” however the article in question is on “gunssavelife.com” a different site.

  12. Hey RF, get the link right. It’s
    http://gunssavelife.com/

    As for Mr. Boch, well he’s never been known for holding back on his opinions. He’s entitled to them, but I wish people would actually fire the guns they’re reviewing, before they opine.

    By the way, John – Copyright law. It’s a thing. Learn to respect intellectual property.

      • Every keyboard commando on the interwebs has heard about fair use, but few have a working knowledge of its limitations.

        • Every keyboard commando on the interwebs has heard about fair use, but few have a working knowledge of its limitations.

          And some people who have copyrighted works may be more than mere “keyboard commandos”, and may be well aware of those limitations.

    • Fair use is an affirmative defense to a copyright infringement claim. And analysis and critique are perfectly valid grounds for a fair-use claim.

      This is nothing more than a “we can pay our lawyers more than you can afford, so we’re going to try to bully you” affair.

      Guns and Ammo can go pound sand with Jay Leno.

    • I didn’t cancel immediately.

      Basically I wanted to see if they improved any in attitude or coverage between then and when my subscription would expire.

      Nope.

  13. For a review of the curve see Taurus forum from a few days ago. Guys shot hundreds of rounds and really liked it. Whatever-I have no interest in a little 380. I haven’t looked at a gun mag in at least 6 months.

    • Excellent suggestion! I just looked at the G&A site and this is in no way a review. It’s one of those “announcement” things that are always just a regurgitation of the manufacturer’s marketing campaign. If most of these people had bothered to read what G&A wrote there wouldn’t be much controversy here. I’m off to follow your advice and read what people who have actually fired the gun think. I assume it’s their TCP in different clothing. And that looks like a nice little piece for the price.

  14. Guys who criticize this pistol wouldn’t think twice about putting a J-frame snubby in their pocket sans holster…

    • That may be true or not, but it really has nothing to do with what’s going on here.

      The guy at gunssafelife (or gunssavelives or wherever) may be completely wrong in his criticism of the gun, Guns and Ammo’s review of the gun, and Guns and Ammo’s motives for the review, but he has a first-amendment right to express that criticism.

      • And it’s not even a review, it’s a product announcement! Not sure how all the people got wrapped around their axle.

    • Well, my 340 PD .357 is almost always in an Aker leather holster. It’s gone holsterless a few times, but not in a very long time.

      As to the gun, put me in the skeptical / neutral camp. I’m not a .380 fan, but I might get a Glock 42 for the Mrs. For my own training purposes, I want a gun to actually look and work like a gun. Rail is fine. This thing might cause my lizard brain to think “Taser” under stress, so I’ll pass.

  15. My bet is that the pistol actually is quite good. Their TCP is a fantastic pocket pistol with a great trigger. The curve is an innovative idea. We need more thinking like this among the gun makers. You may not like little 380’s but many of us can’t conceal something bigger and we’re happy to have one. I don’t need to use the tiny sights on my TCP to shoot accurately at defensive ranges, so the curve not having sights is not really a problem to me. So, Boch claiming that G&A wrote a puff piece might get proved false once more reviews start popping up.

  16. I still kinda want one. I’d never carry it, my Bersa is a damn fine carry gun, but the Curve is just a neat looking piece.

    • Sights get snagged on clothing. They’re not needed for close range self defense encounters, which is pretty much all a pocket .380 is good for.

  17. Thats the one useful point about that blast- no sights? “point and shoot” instinctive style.
    What happens when the battery fails? I guess they will be on the no light no laser model…

  18. I’m a member of GSL.com or Guns Save Life and know John Boch. John is usually accurate about his postings and tells it the way he sees it. I myself have read all the hoopla about the gun. I’m not impressed with Guns And Ammo or their write up.

  19. Mr. Boch strikes me as one of those guys who thinks every new gun should be the 1911.
    Anyway, i thought that gun rag reviews being bought and paid for was pretty much an open secret.

  20. I had my very brief affair with Taurus and I won’t go back…

    Taurus make junk products and anyone I’ve every meet that swears by them doesn’t shoot them much.

  21. you have to consider that G&A has promoted more than a few left wing wack jobs, most are in the closet but occasionally they escape, I personally haven’t! read this rag in years, it seems some of the writers only want the bucks so the truth goes side ways in doesn’t matter in the long term as sales will be the truth and with it the Rags creditability!

  22. This is mainstream shooting sports journalism’s strategy they’ve come up with after the Remington R51 PR disaster. They can’t do without the advertising money and OEMs won’t pay them to publish negatives, so their only answer is to stay the course and threaten anyone who questions the integrity of their reviews.

    Print gun mags won’t last much longer. Soon enough It’ll be free e-zines paid for by corporate ad money.

  23. First, it has been several years since I looked at an issue of G&A. That said, I do not recall them ever doing an article on a weapon they were not running advertising for, other than antique/historical firearms. All the “review” type articles I can remember were of guns/companies they were running advertising for.

    As for this new Taurus, meh. I never liked .380 to begin with, so I will stick with my Beretta .22LR for pocket carry. Although, the whole integrated lights/laser concept has some merit. I don’t like the hang crap on a pistol toys I have used in the past. Just more crap to break or have fail at the wrong time.

    • Only now when the laser goes tango uniform, you have to disassemble the gun to get at it. I sure hope they designed the thing with that in mind.

      Never mind, they didn’t design it with safe carry in mind, so I’m sure they blew off the poor guy who has to repair it, even though judging from some of the comments I’ve read here, it’s likely he’ll get more time with the gun than the owner will.

      • I have fired the Ruger LCP with integrated laser and I was not to wild about it, lightweight plastic and easily broken. This Taurus, from what I can find, is a bit more substantial material wise. As for replacing batteries, if it is not operator friendly it will be down the memory hole in a hurry!

  24. Question #1 – Has G&A ever reviewed a gun they didn’t like?
    Question #2 – How many times have they covered the 9MM vs .45 issue?
    I stopped reading G&A years ago.

  25. Everyone has their own idea of what is safe and NOT safe, it will all come down to how many people end up shooting themselves in the leg or worse. It will be interesting to see the stat’s. in about two years, and then maybe someone will file a lawsuit or not.
    I would not buy one or carry one, I have a striker fired XD-40 and goes in a Serpa holster.

  26. I am betting the letter was just an intimidation attempt with no teeth behind it in an attempt to get GSL to take down the unflattering content.

  27. The new Colt Agent doesn’t have sights, either. I haven’t read G&A in years, but apparently, they have fired the weapon. Has GSL fired, or handled the pistol? Should we not at least try it before we diss it? As for Taurus, all mine exhibit fine quality, and yeah, I shoot them quite a bit. My Judge Public Defender has several thousand rounds through it.

  28. Just read the “article” at GSL. No, apparently they have no hands on experience with the Curve,
    To call a turd a turd, then I would have to call GSL that same turd. At least were this pistol is concerned. Also, this “As we at Guns Save Life receive zero dollars in ad revenues from Taurus USA, we’re going to call a turd a turd” Translation, “If Taurus bought some ads from us, we would love the Curve.”

  29. What a bunch of litigious pansies. fuck ’em.

    As if anyone is reading this at TTAG and the like are dumb enough to actually PAY to buy worthless pages and pages of what amounts to infomercials, anyway, when in the internetS age, you can easily get them in more convenient non-pulp versions, or simply glance them at B&N or else where.

    Plus, with the dwindling over all print market, the fact that they’d have to resort to ‘mommy mommy, his words made me feel bad, when Taurus is already facing documented cases of its govt-contract guns ‘going off by themselves,’ naturally resulting in bad company reputation, as is’ – to now have G&A by proxy threaten to sue, doesn’t exactly bode well for what remains of the pulp fiction/informercial biz, as well as Taurus’ own PR.

    Here’s a hint Taurus: how about you ‘innovate’ with actual innovations, and not gimmicks, that actually work? Instead of wasting time, money, and idiot PR on horrible (be it perceived or real) designs??

    But frankly, none of that matters, should the consumers, IN SPITE of all that, continue to purchase, and even make this plastic-‘curve’ a commercial success for Taurus, then you can have the last laugh, and tell your critics to STFU, which would do infinitely more for your own PR image, than be seen as the proverbial “Big Bully picking on the little guy” – by suing an indy online outfit??

    Reputation, particularly in a tight-knit industry like the commercial smallarms industry, is ALL you really have… like in any biz that lasts: your reputation must be earned and maintained, should you want to actually last.

    But no. Y’all had to be pansy emotive fucks, just like ‘sensitive’ hoplophobic kunts.

    Frankly, the same goes for MagPul, who otherwise already make innovative, and Apple-brand loyalty level beloved products, would do something as moronic & costly as wasting time & money suing other polymer mag & accessories manufacturers, when in the aggregate, MagPul itself has already ‘duplicated’ the GI mag design… in plastic, like when bakelite first appeared (which simply, essentially replaced by copying previous non-plastic design iterations for same to similar items).

    While not entirely related to this current slander/libel incident, it is indicative of industry prevailing sentiments on PR & IP in general: this is why, on the whole, “‘intellectual’ property” is ‘property,’ NOT a real real-property-property.

    Read what an actual, working IP-lawyer Stephan Kinsella has to say on the matter: http://mises.org/library/against-intellectual-property-0
    http://mises.org/sites/default/files/Against%20Intellectual%20Property_2.pdf
    http://mises.org/sites/default/files/Against%20Intellectual%20Property_2.epub
    http://www.stephankinsella.com/publications/
    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Intellectual-Property-Stephan-Kinsella/dp/B001DTHFWS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqsdSARrgk

    While moving toward more private options, in the interim, other than TM-branding and copyright to establish original authorship, to continue to sue over what essentially remains a state-monopoly granted corporatist bullshit nonsense, must stop.

    Different industry and financial scale & market share, nevertheless, for example just look at the insane amount of time, efforts, resources, and money that Samsung and Apple have utterly pointlessly wasted on lawsuits, internationally, in multiple nations, when all those exact same Fed. Reserve Notes wasted on feckless do nothing, otherwise unnecessary armies of made-necessary-by-state-regulatory-capture lawyers and fees and penalties and court filing fees, could’ve instead been spent on actual R&D innovations and even marketing.

    The same goes for the infinitely smaller commercial smallarms and accessories market.

    Want to kill the market? Then, by all means, sue the frak out of each other out of existence.

  30. I don’ t know John Boch but he appears to have a merited favorable reputation within the “gun-knowledgable” world. However, as a long-time gun owner but a newbie in the concealed carry world I have a couple of things to say about all of the chatter I read about my newly discovered interest – personal protection with, if necessary, a hand gun.
    There seems to be a rasging competition among the “gun owning elite” as to who can come across in the most snobbish manner. Taurus makes good, reasonably reliable weapons. As does Hi-Point. But, to hear the Colt owners and the Sig owners and the Limber owners . . . well, one would think that anyone expressing anything positive about Taurus, Hi-Point, etc. were mentally unfit to rak judo lessons, let alone own a handgun.
    What utter nonsensical bigoted snobbery.
    Here is an absolute, unarguable (except by the army of self-appoonted experts) fact. ThevTaurus Curve is the absolutely perfect concealed carry . . . FOR ME!

    I am 78, well past my physical prime but there are literally tens of thousands of younger folks in our wonderful nation with a variety of physical limitations that are my peers, in a sense.

    I carry my curve loose in my right trouser pocket. Six rounds on the mag and none in the chamber. This means I can forgo the use of the trigger shield that comes with the piece. Just a little practice and I lose !little or no time in getting that initial round chambered and on its way. If that misses I have five more messengers to send the bad guys way, unless he gets me first.

    My curve never misfires on factory loads. Never!!

    If the Curve fails in the market place it will be due, in largeart to snobbish articles like the one by Mr. Boch or similar comments by pseudo-experts whose only excuse is their limitless, self-centered stupidity.

    The sad thing is that there may be many, many folks out there who could have their lives saved by ownership and usage of the Curve. But, they didn’t have one when they needed one because the “experts” implied they would be bordering on imbicility to buy one!

  31. Many comments about the Curve. I bought one of the first ones without the .380 markings.
    1. Very unusual design, I like that.
    2. Because the belt clip is secured to the rear of the slide, the only way to remove the gun from your IWB or pocket using the clip is with the thumb of your right hand. Not easy to do. Are you pulling on the grip or the trigger?
    3. The trigger guard holster protects the trigger. Drawing the pistol with enough string to conceal the pistol and tied to your belt requires raising it so high it feels very un-natural.
    4. It weighs 13.5 oz., not 10.2 oz. Taurus confirmed this to me over the phone, but gave no explanation. Maybe the one without the laser weighs less.
    5. The trigger feels like a long stroke Kahr to me, only lighter. Remove the slide and there is the hammer.
    5. They want me to return it for engraving the barrel with .380 AUTO. Four to six week turnaround.

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