UPDATE: Multiple Shooters in Ottawa, Parliament Shootings

According to nytimes.com, the shootings in and around the Canadian parliament in Ottawa were carried out by at least two shooters. “At least two gunmen traumatized the heart of the Canadian government on Wednesday, with one shooting a soldier guarding the National War Memorial and then entering the adjacent Parliament building, where multiple rounds were fired. Shooting also was reported at a nearby shopping mall . . .

Police officers rushed to secure the Parliament building and move occupants to safety as they hunted for what Canadian news reports said were possibly two or three assailants, in what had the appearance of a coordinated attack.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that one assailant was killed. The condition of the soldier who was shot was not immediately clear.

If these reports bear out, that would seem to lend credence to speculation that today’s shootings may be related to yesterday’s attack on two Canadian soldiers in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec. Continue to watch this space.

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  1. avatar ST says:

    The ‘Religion of Peace’ has struck again, it seems.

    1. avatar AllAmerican says:

      Yes sir- not sure if it’s an audio issue or what but I’m pretty sure I heard “Allah Akbar” after that mag dump.

    2. avatar anonymous says:

      I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Canadian and non-Canadian muslims do not support this action. I reckon we should support their interpretation of Islam as the correct one.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Yes… Because we see all those Muslims protesting the actions of their “radical” counterparts.

        The difference between a moderate and “radical” muslim…
        A radical muslim wants to kill you and rape your family goat.
        A moderate muslim wants the radical muslim to kill you and rape your family goat.

        1. avatar Southern Cross says:

          The difference between a radical and moderate muslim is the radical muslim wants to see the global caliphate formed in their (short) lifetime. The moderate muslim is prepared to wait a bit longer.

          Yes, it is curious to note how often the “moderate” muslims protest the actions of the “radical” muslims. IE: very little to none.

        2. avatar anonymous says:

          Bulls__. I didn’t see Christians protesting Timothy MCveigh’s bombing of OKC building.

          go ahead and pretend most muslims are like this even thoguh many are fighting and dying against extremism. you are part of the problem if you perpetuate ignorance.

        3. avatar Barstow Cowboy says:

          NO Pwrserge, Anonymous is right! The most important thing in the aftermath of a shooting is making sure that we boost the image of muslims, lest they be (wrongfully) branded as some sort of violent theology!/sarc

        4. avatar Excedrine says:

          @anonymous — If you “didn’t see” any protests of the OKC bombing, then you quite simply didn’t even look for any. Look at how many Christians turn out to protest the WBC, too, jackass.

          Get a clue.

        5. avatar raptureRaptor says:

          Man wish they were like you openly protesting anything ever committed by a criminal christian to make sure everyone know its not how all christian feel. Insert whatever belief you may hold because its not limited to the 2 religions with the most followers.

        6. avatar Pwrserge says:

          Hey anon… Look no further than the mass “protests” supporting Hamas. When was the last time a Christian strapped a bomb to himself and blew up a nightclub in the name of Jesus?

          The difference is that Christian criminals don’t pretend that their mass murder is being committed in the name of Christ.

        7. avatar Peaches says:

          Hey Power, I think I remember you from HuffPuff

      2. avatar Mack Bolan says:

        You would probably be wrong in that assumption:

        1. avatar anonymous says:

          can find plenty of videos arguing any point of view.

        2. avatar publius2 says:

          Anon, but none so persuasively argued, on the facts, as Shapiro does so brilliantly.

        3. avatar Pwrserge says:

          Except this one happens to be right. Aloha snackbar

    3. avatar borg says:

      In the wake of the terrorist mall attack in Africa Interpol’s police chief advised armed citizenry to help combat the renewed terrorism threat and now this is just further proof that disarming citizens is a threat to public safety. hopefully the members of Parliament will realize that the lack of armed resistance such as armed citizens threatened their lives.

    4. avatar Mk10108 says:

      Time to think about this today and I’m going all in. This is all the evidence you need about the Canadian Government condoning the murder of its military service members. To have a ceremonial (prop if you will) solider standing guard unarmed, when the day before two soldiers were attacked, demonstrates military & civilian leadership inability to adapt rapidly to non conventianal warfare.

      Take notes America…we’ll be next…

      1. avatar Luciferian says:

        It’s not like U.S. soldiers just walk around with loaded weapons in the states. I highly doubt that Old Guard soldiers have a round in the chamber of their ceremonial rifles.

        1. avatar DetroitMan says:

          My understanding is that they aren’t issued ammunition. It’s time to change that.

  2. avatar Shire-man says:

    Anybody seen Wayne or zombie Heston today? Obviously the NRA did this.

    1. avatar NYC2AZ says:

      I would wager someone has an op-ed already lined up for the morning dead-trees that will express that sentiment exactly.

  3. avatar Armchair Command'oh says:

    If only Canada has some common sense gun control in place, none of this would have happened.

  4. avatar JasonM says:

    If only Canada had instituted broad regulations on gun ownership, bans on scary black guns, and universal registration of everything else.

    …what’s that? They did that 20 years ago? Oh…well crap…

    1. avatar DrVino says:

      Yes. But the guns probably came from ‘Merica, so….. It’s our fault….

      1. avatar Jarhead1982 says:

        Not likely, the government study from several years ago shows the probability is very low!

        http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVygBJrhT6WAA2tdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzanF0azdvBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDMwNF8x/RV=2/RE=1404606082/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.garrybreitkreuz.com%2fpublications%2fLibraryReport_PrairieCrimeRates_2005_03_07.doc/RK=0/RS=4C62T8WpYE5qP9sgUtZfwA7cAJQ-

        A Comparison of Violent and Firearm Crime Rates in the Canadian Prairie Provinces and Four U.S. Border States, 1961-2003

  5. avatar Mk10108 says:

    Two or three shooters…a sand flea nibble on the ass of government. Radicalized (new speak for jahahist) need to bring a bigger crew if the want to move the needle in their direction. Perhaps a small thermonuclear device might be the answer, supplied of course by their Iranian friends.

    1. avatar SelousX says:

      IMHYDAO:
      I don’t see that happening, unless the
      fissile material in the device was from somewhere not Iran. If it could be spun as a ‘false flag’ operation with regard to the origin of the device indicating another known nuclear power, one might see the Iranians participate. Maybe.

      1. avatar DrVino says:

        Plenty of medical radioactive material on the roads every day. Easier to make a dirty bomb than a thermonuclear one. All one would have to do is knock off one or two clearly marked delivery vehicles.

  6. avatar ColdNorth says:

    The situation is very much fluid at the moment, and unfortunately the reporting is confused. It could be several days before we begin to get a clearer picture.

    Regarding all the “lol Canada’s gun laws” posts:

    Yes, we in Canada are quite aware of the stupidity of our gun laws, there’s no need to keep reminding us. Sensible folks up here are doing our best to fix them. Keep in mind that as bad as they are, NJ and NY have managed to outdo us.

    1. avatar Bunny says:

      Yup. This is true. You have less restrictive laws than we do in california.

    2. avatar Pikes Pete says:

      All those mocking Canada have no idea of the battle being waged up north. Rolling back a national gun registration system are major acheivements to be proud of. I stand with my Canadian brothers on a very grim day.

      1. avatar ColdNorth says:

        Thank-you for the support. It’s confused at the moment, but reports are still coming in for at least 2-3 gunmen. I know that early reports are confused at best, but it’s not unlikely.

        Unfortunately, the soldier who was shot at the National War Memorial has now died. He served as a reservist with the Argylls in Hamilton.

        1. avatar dlj95118 says:

          …my condolences for your loss.

    3. avatar juliesa says:

      From Texas, condolences on your two murdered soldiers. I’m including the one hit by the car. I’m livid at this attack on our friends to the north.

      BTW, I just heard a reporter say this hasn’t happened in the US, but Puerto Rican nationalist terrorists shot up our congress in 1954. President Carter granted three of them clemency.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        They also murdered a secret service policeman and got clemency for that too.

        Terrorism is apparently ok as long as you’re from an influential voting block.

    4. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      Let the Canada bashing about firearms freedom continue, I say. When the story’s about NY or NJ, we’ll get to them, too. Where infringements exist here, they’re in violation of the Constitution and certain lawless people in robes are fine with that. In Canada, however, there is no universal right to keep and bear arms. You get what the government allows you to have. Statism deserves constant and unapologetic ridicule, wheresoever it lurks.

    5. avatar Anon in CT says:

      Not entirely true.

      Canada is annoying and restrictive on long guns, but if you want a long gun for hunting or sport it is pretty doable. And there are a few cool things not allowed in the US like short-barrelled shotguns and cheap Chinese imports.

      Handguns are VERY restricted, and even if you own one, there is ZERO ability to carry for self-defense. The only non-cops allowed to carry are certain private security guards engaged in the transport of large amounts of cash. That’s it.

      In upstate NY, if you live in the right county and are will to spend the cash and give a few BJs, you can get a carry license.

      1. avatar Jarhead1982 says:

        Even pigs wont bj a demokrat (they have standards) so not likely!

  7. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    does Moms Demand Action have a Canadian affiliate? Seems like fertile ground to convince burqa-wearing moms to demand for common sense gun laws. For the Children(TM).

    1. avatar C. says:

      The Canadian equivalent of MDA is the Coalition for Gun Control.

      1. avatar Anon in CT says:

        And the Liberal Party of Canada. And the NDP.

        1. avatar C. says:

          Good call! I completely forgot about the socialists.

  8. avatar Sammy says:

    Dolls to doughnuts this gets spun into being the USAs fault. Que the UN Small Arms Treaty.

    1. avatar ColdNorth says:

      Canada strongly opposes the UN Small Arms treaty, mainly because it conflicts with our destruction of the long-gun registry.

      1. avatar Sammy says:

        Not talking about Canada. We are the main target of said treaty. The UN has lawyers in detroit claiming water shutoff for non payment is a human rights violation so as to get their authoritative foot in the US door . The UN is the puppet master for the globalists/rockefeller cabal.

        1. avatar Jarhead1982 says:

          LOL, da brothers in da hood in Detroit will welcome the blue helmeted victims and take everything from them in a blink of an eye, cause UN peace keepers have rules to obey, the hood rats, none!

          So let the UN try, it will be their Viet Nam!

    2. avatar juliesa says:

      Likely, but one of the prog MPs was tweeting from his hiding place that he blamed Harper and his policies. Seriously, the gunsmoke hadn’t cleared before he started politicizing it.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        Hm.

        That’s what politicians do.

        Sickening as it is…

  9. avatar pcman312 says:

    I find it disturbing how people are immediately jumping to conclusions about who did this, why they did it, and exactly what has transpired. Isn’t it amazing how people jump to conclusions that align with their world views instead of waiting for the facts?

    1. avatar Sammy says:

      WTF are you talking about?! You think it is more work place violence or are you just trolling?

      1. avatar pcman312 says:

        What I’m saying is that people are immediately jumping to the conclusion that this was a group of muslim extremists hellbent on killing canadians. The simple fact is WE DON’T KNOW AT THIS TIME. There are a number of possible (and REASONABLE) explanations. The two incidents could be completely unrelated with coincidental timing. The guy at the parliament could have just been a pissed off guy who couldn’t get into the army so he decided to attack a soldier and then storm parliament. Or maybe he hated the canadian government for one or more actions (or inactions) it had performed. Or any other blaze-of-glory reason.

        There is a lot of psychological research around why we humans have a burning need to have an explanation for events around us. People love to jump to conclusions about events like this before they have all of the facts because it’s comforting. We then have an explanation to what happened, regardless of whether we know the facts of the event or not.

        I should be clear: I am NOT saying that this WASN’T a muslim extremism attack. I’m saying we don’t know if it is or isn’t.

        1. avatar HJ says:

          Well, at this point, a number of Canadian officials are drawing connections between this attack, the attacks on Canadian soldiers yesterday (Which are now considered terrorist acts) and the fact that Malala Yousafzai is getting honorary Canadian citizenship today. Yousafzai is a Pakastani woman that advocates for educational opportunities for girls and women in Pakistan. The Taliban have already tried to kill her once.

          Is this a terrorist attack? Maybe not, but… well, I’m going to be surprised if it isn’t, the way things are lining up as I write this.

        2. avatar juliesa says:

          I’ll bet you $1000 it wasn’t the Presbyterians, and I don’t think this because of my worldview or to feel comforted: I think this because of what has happened before, and what is happening now in the world.

          I do agree with your basic point that it’s always good to get the facts before opining, and I would add that first reports are usually wrong. I think I’d win that bet though.

    2. avatar Bear The Grizzly says:

      Stuff like this really saddens me. Innocent lives taken for no damn reason.

    3. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      Well, the race is not always to the swift or the battle always to the strong, nor the terrorism always committed by the muslims……..but that’s how the smart money bets.

  10. avatar pat says:

    Apparently one of the gunmen was shot dead by the House of Commons Seargent at Arms.

    1. avatar Dennis says:

      Hmmmm, good guy with a gun. Where have I heard that before. Let me think….

  11. avatar CT Resident says:

    Last year it was a thwarted cooker bombing on Canada Day at the Parliament Building. I wonder if the State Department will issue warnings about traveling to Canada

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/canada-thwarts-parliament-bombing-attempt-20130703-2pawr.html

  12. avatar fuque says:

    I have a hunch that this incident is going to move Canada closer to tighter gun laws.. if there is such a thing.

  13. avatar Doug says:

    The poor soldier shot on ceremonial guard duty probably was holding a non-firing ceremonial thing which looks like a rifle.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      I was wondering if they have live ammo, myself.

      It’s bad enough not to be able to defend yourself normally but when you’re in a military uniform guarding a site and someone can take you out… ugh.

      1. avatar Jarhead1982 says:

        Like the Marine sentries had ammo on guard duty in Beruit in 1983, oh wait, they didn’t, my bad!

      2. avatar Anon in CT says:

        I am quite sure not. I did Cenotaph duty and guard commander on a few November 11s, and we certainly did not.

  14. avatar Holden Caulfield says:

    The definition of bravery is moving forward whilst all external stimuli are telling you otherwise.

    Kudos to our northern neighbors, brave and true.

  15. avatar The Reluctant Nutmegger says:

    I fear that if this happens on our soil we’ll have a Newtown-esce response from the media and non-gun owning public.
    Do we have a PR contingency ready if this does happen?

    1. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      Unlikely. We just had another Fort Hood shooting and the Oklahoma beheading, both post-Newton. Neither re-ignited the Newtown surrender mentality lunacy.

    2. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      If this, or something similar, happens here in the US there’s a reasonable chance that armed citizens will defend themselves. This is often talked about in fiction and casual conversation but the demographics on gun ownership and the corresponding proliferation ccw license holders certainly points in that direction. If terrorists attack an American shopping mall, they might find themselves outgnned.

      1. avatar Bob72 says:

        Mall? Probably not. Most malls in the US are free fire zones with policies against legal carry. Most other shopping areas in the free states of the US, however, like a Walmart or Kroger’s in Arizona, the bad guys would probably be stopped faster than a person could type 911 into their mobile phone.

        1. avatar Jarhead1982 says:

          Funny how sane people ignore unconstitutional laws, so we will take that bet all day long!

  16. avatar Ralph says:

    The dead shooter has been identified as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau. He reportedly changed his name from Michael Joseph Hall after recently converting to Islam.

  17. avatar Ratbikerx says:

    I haven’t seen many comments on what looks like bad tactics. I have seen a considerable amount of video with officers simply poking their heads out at ‘standing level’ and not taking tactical positions, running upright in front of windows, being all grouped together, etc. I was surprised at what seemed like questionable tactics.

    1. avatar Mark says:

      The video I saw showed what looked like regular “beat cops”, not a “tactical team”.. they were doing what they could to help in an awful situation. I’ll hold off on the keyboard commando post-facto quarterbacking myself, especially given the fact that the country they live in has been disarmed, for better or worse.

      The only thing worse than a random nutball going all shooty in a public area is occupation by a militarized police force that goes all shooty on it’s own disarmed innocent citizens.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      Real life isn’t like “Flashpoint.”

      There’s a time for that… when you’ve got the upper hand and time on your side. But when someone is killing people right now, sometimes it’s best to go stop them instead of waiting… particularly since a lot of these killers fold when they face armed resistance anyway.

  18. avatar JWTaylor says:

    What was he carrying? The cover story on fox news shows a lever gun, like a Winchester 94 or a Marlin 36.

    1. avatar JWTaylor says:

      Yup, Winchester 94.

  19. avatar ensitue says:

    Canadian Perp #1 spent lots of time in US Mosques, he has listings in several US cities
    If there a #2 maybe he drove to Jamaica, NYC?
    and lets not forget the OK beheading a few weeks ago

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