Quote of the Day: Don’t Be a Dumbass Edition

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“Please consider the fact that teaching your children to be safe and understand guns doesn’t mean that you need to own one or even approve of owning them in general. Your teaching them gun safety does mean that you are a responsible parent. The last thing you want is for your child to be in a gun owner’s house with a parent who has refused to teach their own children safe gun practices, thus putting your own child at risk of being injured or killed–only because you were negligent in instructing your child about gun safety.” – Jason P. Stadtlander in Guns and Children: Don’t be Ignorant [at huffingtonpost.com]

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  1. avatar jwm says:

    Yep, guns are a fact of life in America. Teach your children how to protect themselves around them.

    Regardless of a person’s stand on gun control every home in America should have at the very least a shotgun in it. Just like smoke detectors a gun is a safety device that should be on hand.

    1. avatar Jim Jones says:

      The problem is that the true believers, the ones who work and staff organizations like CSGV, Brady Campaign, and Moms Demand Action, know that merely exposing children to firearms normalizes them. That’s a problem for their cause because it’s a whole lot more difficult “othering” your opposition when people know what firearms are and how they work. They would never be able to get away with half of the stuff they spew if a basic firearm safety course was part of the national high school curriculum.

      The only way they can win is by preventing people from ever enjoying the joy that comes from gaining an understanding firearms. Therefore, they will do everything possible to make gun ownership as difficult and onerous as possible. Do you really think that it’s an accident that the most recent “background check” bills contain provisions making it a felony just to lend someone a firearm when introducing them to the activity? I don’t.

  2. avatar Luciferian says:

    It’s like anything else. The “just say no” approach doesn’t work for drugs, it doesn’t work for sex, and it doesn’t work for guns.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      So all the same drugs, sex, guns? Clueless Mr Doperian.

      1. avatar Conway Redding says:

        Yes, neiowa, all the same insofar as each one of them, drugs, sex, and guns, represents an attractive activity that some wish were not so attractive. And why have you been so quick to go into insult mode?

  3. avatar Michael says:

    Educate them, so they have a respect for guns and their proper use. Take away the mystery my kids know if someone else’s kid wants to show or handle a firearm to leave or get a parent. They know the rules for safe handling. Teach your children well!

  4. avatar tdiinva says:

    I tell fence sitters and antis that eveyone shoud at least go shooting once in their lives. It is a life skill just like learning how to change a tire or balance a check book. Understanding firearms and firearms safety doesn’t mean that you have to own a gun or even support the Second Amendment. It is a life skill just like learning how to change a tire or balance a check book.

    1. avatar Rokurota says:

      With AAA, most folks can’t change a tire and what the hell’s a checkbook?

      1. avatar Charles5 says:

        Checkbook…is that like a Kindle?

        /sarcasm off

      2. avatar Anon in CT says:

        I can change a tire no problem – I used to help my Dad put on the snow tires each year.

        Can I operate the Rube Golberg machine which releases the spare tire on my SUV? On a good day, but man it’s a giant pain in the @ss Then I have to lift a 6000+ lb vehicle into the air using a jack that appears to be built to hamster scale. Modern vehicles are not user friendly in this regard.

        1. avatar Charles says:

          I carry a plug/patch kit. I haven’t used a spare in the last twenty years I don’t think.

          Charles

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Fix-a-Flat. That crap works. I can change a tire and I have AAA. But the longer you spend on a live freeway in the bay area the riskier it gets. Shoot fix-a-flat into it and hit the next exit and find a tire shop.

  5. avatar the ruester says:

    Prediction; mawms demand your property will hyperventilate at this article, screeching “who does he think he is” as they lead their kids down the stairs, pack them into a vehicle, drive them to a swimming pool, and pass out from box wine.

  6. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    I was more OK than not with his piece. Right up until his TAFFT acronym.
    The fear part. To fear guns. Good grief.

    1. avatar Hobbez says:

      Even Freud agreed that fear is healthy. Fear breeds caution, respect and keeps you safe.

      1. avatar JR_in_NC says:

        Rational fear is healthy. Having some fear that that grizzly bear staring you down may kill you is rational. The danger is very real. That’s the distinction to keep in mind…the nature of the danger the fear is in response to.

        Irrational fear serves no survival purpose, and it could said that it distracts from rational fear of real dangers.

        These people that fear guns are irrational. The gun itself poses no danger. A gun sitting on a table, untouched, cannot cause harm.

        The two big problems is (1) the takeover of irrational fear as meaningful…equivalent to the rational, and (2) those with such irrationality seek to make social rules based on it.

      2. avatar Rokurota says:

        Based on everything else he wrote, I’m going with the “good” kind of fear, as well, as in a healthy respect for something powerful. “To fear God” refers to this meaning, as does the phrase “dread sovereign” — the king or queen had the power to take your life. But implicit is that God and king are there for your benefit. So it is with a gun.

      3. avatar Hack says:

        Sigmund Freud? Uh, never trust the opinion of a coca in addict.

        1. avatar Drew says:

          So fear of any kind is unhealthy and should be done away with? I will trust a predictable addict over whatever you are.

    2. avatar Tom J says:

      I caught on the same sentence. It seems out of place with his previous statement about “guns don’t jump up off the table and shoot people”. Now if you changed that one statement to “they need to fear being SHOT”, or even, “They need to respect guns” I would agree with everything in that article.

    3. Just found this from one of my twitter followers (Thank you Brett) and very glad I have found it. Some very good and insightful comments on my article.

      Tom, when I said “fear”, I meant fear as in the same type of fear taught regarding God. “God fearing” doesn’t mean people are afraid of God, it means that they respect and appreciate God. It’s a colloquialism.

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        OK. Thanks Jason.
        I can agree with that. Though I am only around people I implicitly trust when we are hunting or shooting.
        So I can see that point, if I am ever near the “new guy” to the group. I watch them like a hawk until I am comfortable.
        Just like my parachute rigger. I’m not afraid of the parachute. I’m cautious of the rigger.

    4. avatar JohnF says:

      I have been shooting for 50 years and I fear guns, especially guns I am not in control of. I do not object to his using that term. Kids don’t understand the nuances of the terms respect and caution. I think “fear” is clear and the aim of educating kids is to keep them safe, not drive some political agenda on either side of the argument.

  7. avatar Swarf says:

    This is kind of how I got in to shooting about four years ago.

    I hadn’t grown up around guns and I figured you aren’t a complete human unless you know how to safely handle a gun, even if you don’t like them.

    Well, it turns out I DID like them and all aspects of target and clay shooting. I needed a new hobby and knitting isn’t really my bag. And here we are a dozen guns later. I got bit pretty hard.

  8. avatar racer88 says:

    ,We’re encouraged to teach our kids water and fire safety, even if we don’t own a pool or a box of matches. We teach them about “stranger danger,” even though it’s not a common problem.

    Kids could encounter an unattended firearm at a friend’s house…. or ditched by a gangbanger in the bushes of the local park.

    It’s rather curious how firearms safety is taboo.

  9. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    Wow! Great article! I had to scroll to the top of the page no less than 10 times to make sure I was really at Huffington Post. Great read, educated, and well thought out. The first “gun safety” article that actually focuses on personal responsibility. All the reasons he mentioned are why I teach my son about safe gun handling even with his toys.

    My favorite line was “Ultimately it is we the parents that are responsible for our children, not our government.” That cause a real double take, I am shocked that Huffpo let that go to press, it must be buried on some back page somewhere.

  10. avatar Bob72 says:

    There are thousands of firearm instructors in the US who would gladly teach children what to do when they see an unsecured firearm. Most will do the classes for free.

  11. Can’t disagree with that but that picture is posed and that is the best look he could come up with? It looks like he is chewing on a canker sore inside his lower lip. Has he never seen Zoolander (Blue Steel)?http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/gator995.com/files/2011/10/2125690.jpg
    Or Friends (Smell the Fart)? http://youtu.be/7Qxkj9JWOWQ

    1. avatar Ing says:

      Mugatu? Is that you?

  12. avatar Lurker_Of_Lurkiness says:

    Can’t do that, then the poor kiddies won’t be afraid.

  13. avatar Jim in Green Oak MI says:

    NRA’s Eddie Eagle program teaches kids to stop, don’t touch, leave the area and tell an adult. The anti gun folks went nuts and wouldn’t allow it to be taught. What is their alternative?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      You know exactly what it is – Ban all evil gunz! Then [crickets]. Because there hs been no follow on thought, just a visceral reaction.

      1. avatar Geoff PR says:

        We will likely have control of both House and Senate in a month.

        We MUST use that opportunity to introduce an Eddie Eagle bill to drop on Obama’s desk.

        Force him to defend not signing a REAL piece of “Gun Safety” legislation.

        We CANNOT over-reach on that bill. The ‘Four Rules”, that’s ALL.

        1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          We will likely have control of both House and Senate in a month.

          Not to nitpick, but: make that three months.

          I worry about the potential disaster to be attempted during the lame-duck session.

  14. avatar Henry Bowman says:

    “a gun owner’s house with a parent who has refused to teach their own children safe gun practices”

    I’ve never met a gun-owner with children who hadn’t taught those children about gun safety. Never, ever.

    1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

      Make that a lawful gun owner, and I’ll agree 100%.

      1. avatar Henry Bowman says:

        Make your “lawful” into “legal” and I’ll agree with you, as well. Although, I don’t think I’ve met any actual criminals who owned guns and had kids.

        1. avatar Chip Bennett says:

          Although, I don’t think I’ve met any actual criminals who owned guns and had kids.

          Really? Well, to be honest, I haven’t met any, either. But there are plenty of them out there.

        2. avatar Henry Bowman says:

          True, but I’m pretty sure Mr. Stadtlander isn’t referring to Huffington Post readers sending their kids across the train tracks to the ramshackle shacks of gun-safety scofflaws..

    2. avatar Accur81 says:

      That was my first thought. Gun-hating liberal progressives know more about “gun safety” than legitimate gun owners? That’s kinda like people who don’t own cars knowing more about defensive driving than people who responsibly use cars. I don’t think so.

      1. avatar Drew says:

        I meet plenty of customers who know more about cars than I do. They still come to me when that light thingie comes on and they get scared. I reset the code, show them how to properly secure the gas cap and remember I have bills to pay the next time they go off about me being wrong about something mechanical.

  15. avatar JohnO says:

    No worries, Jason and his kids are safe. They live in a gun free zone.

  16. avatar Abad says:

    If you teach your kids to look both ways before stepping off the curb, or to not touch power tools in the garage, why not gun safety as well?

  17. avatar Richard in WA says:

    It’s going to be a lot easier to teach children gun safety if there’s practical application of the skills they learn. The non-gun-owner cursory GUNS ARE ALWAYS BAD NOW GO PLAY CALL OF DUTY talk once in 18 years isn’t going to teach anything. It’s going to be a parental rule to be broken “as long as we don’t get caught” from I dunno, age 10 on.

    Put one in their hands. Train them and expect responsibility. Don’t gloss over it an pretend like that’s going to do anything for child safety.

  18. avatar MKK says:

    But…

    That would require effort.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Correct!

  19. avatar Jim R says:

    Like many others here, I mostly agree with the article. Every kid should be taught how to be safe around firearms, even if their parents don’t like them. The truth is you never know what you’re going to run into out in the wild and you can’t safeguard your kids from every little thing. The more knowledge they have, the better prepared they’ll be to deal with a world that mostly doesn’t care if they live or die.

  20. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    I saw an interesting test several years ago. Two kids, about 10 years old were placed in a “white room” where their actions could be recorded. The only other things in the room was a table on which an unloaded handgun was placed. One kid was from a gun-owning family and was schooled in gun-safety. The other kid was from an anti-gun family and had never been around weapons of any kind. You can guess what happened. The anti-gun family kid exclaimed “wow a gun” and promptly ran over, picked it up, and started waving it around. The gun-safety trained kid, said “put that down, that’s a real gun, you shouldn’t be playing with it like that” and promptly left the room.

    In another case, a local kid shot himself while playing with a handgun. Another kid was in the room and commented, “I told him to pull the slide back and see if there was a round in the chamber but he wouldn’t listen to me”.

    Teaching kids about gun-safety is not a political statement. Sadly, it’s something anti-gun parents never seem to realize.

    1. Very interesting study and doesn’t surprise me one bit.

      One thing that makes me laugh is people seeing my articles on the Huffington Post and thinking that because I write on the HuffPost, I automatically agree with their political views. Which couldn’t be further from the truth. In fact, I landed the HuffPost gig so that I COULD inject some common sense into an otherwise ridiculous place lacking it. Guns aren’t going away and the rest of the country needs to realize that. No matter how high up they stand on their left wing pedestal, we will NOT allow the constitution to be altered.

      1. avatar Julio says:

        Wow! That’s awesome; kind of like the Fifth Column. Keep injecting the truth (I’d steer clear of saying “common sense” around here) and maybe fewer heads will explode when discussing topics on all of the evil (or actually inanimate) firearms.

      2. avatar LC Judas says:

        Hey, thank you man. I’ve never read anything there that didn’t make me gag. So, I appreciate you and I’m sure I’m far from the only one.

        You do a really great thing, sir.

        1. avatar Another Robert says:

          +1

      3. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Thank you for taking the time and effort to write something sensible for HuffPo. Even if you are the “token reasonable person” there, it’s heartening to know more eyes and minds will at least be exposed to our side of the 2A.

      4. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        Thanks for that Jason.
        I read Huffpo daily just because I like to know where my foe’s head is at.

  21. avatar Another Robert says:

    But if all those gun-o-phobes at HuffPo teach their kids that guns CAN be safely handled who knows what might happen. I mean, they might actually learn that guns are inanimate objects with no intrinsic [evil] moral content.

  22. avatar CarlosT says:

    An analogy that just occurred to me: as a parent, you might be opposed to cars for whatever reason, but it would still be a good idea to learn how to cross the street safely and to teach your children to do the same.

  23. avatar Ralph says:

    Every child should be taught to respect firearms and know how to be safe around them. I think that most owners do this, or accidents involving guns and children would occur more frequently. Non-owners seem more preoccupied with instilling fear in their kids instead of imparting knowledge to them. So, instead of keeping their children safe, they are making them more susceptible to danger.

    Germophobic parents have created superbugs with their antiseptic cleaners. Hoplophobic parents have created endangered and fearful children instead of smart and safe kids. Soccer moms bought into “Stranger Danger,” when all along it was crazy Uncle Harry who was buggering Junior. That’s the way it goes sometimes — the real danger are the parents who mean well but who are too stupid to see the truth. As a result, their kids suffer. It’s too bad, but maybe that’s the way it’s supposed to be.

  24. avatar MarkPA says:

    Recently, the sheriff of Cape May County NJ (that’s right New Jersey!) recounted this story. Shortly after assuming his office as sheriff an armed robber tossed his tool-of-the-trade during his get-away. A kid found it in the grass and showed it to his playmate. One of the kids pulled the trigger, killing the other. It was a devastating incident for the community.
    This sheriff decided to do something positive about it. He canvased every middle-school in his county speaking with the administration. He got every school to adopt NRA’s Eddie Eagle gun safety program for children. There hasn’t been another like incident in his county since.
    Parents need to recognize that they don’t have control over their children 100% of the time. Allowing their children to play only in “gun-free” homes is still no guarantee a playmate might encounter a gun somewhere unexpected.

  25. avatar Anonymous says:

    When I was little my father taught me about guns in a very easy simple manner. He took me outside showed me the gun and then BANG!!! The shot was really loud – excruciatingly loud and a giant fireball came out the end. Then he showed me the hot smoking barrel. After that, I wasn’t really interested in them at all and didn’t care for touching them, looking at them, handling them, knowing where they were, and certainly not shooting them.

  26. avatar ROBGR says:

    This guy must have gotten slammed for stating some practical common sense.. god forbid! Can’t wait to read the comments after the jump… or do I even want to read absolute baloney from the hoplophobes… arrrggghhhh

    1. avatar ROBGR says:

      What? Huh? Where’s Huffpost, the asinine comments, the illogical fear-mongering? Decent comments, dare I say practical and furthered the points made in the article rather than a sh*t show of ignorance.

  27. avatar 2hotel9 says:

    “gun owner’s house with a parent who has refused to teach their own children safe gun practices” What a load of sh*t.

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