“Cancel my NRA membership. I’ve been lied to for years. I’ve wasted money on guns, ammo, and training. All I’ve really needed was a can of wasp spray.”

TTAG reader JW sent the sarcastic message above. His emailed us a heads-up on a Today Show story that doesn’t once mention self-defense firearms: How to protect your family from home invasion. [Note: how to protect your family “from” a home invasion, not “during.”] Here’s the set-up:  “According to the FBI, nearly 50,000 robberies within residences (the bureau’s classification for home invasions, not all of which involve violent entry) occurred in 2011, or about 135 per day. In July 2013, Susan Dawson came face to face with an intruder in her Fountain Hills, Arizona, home . . .

“It was absolutely one of the most frightening things I’ve ever gone through,” she said. “I went, ‘Oh my gosh, who are you?’ He took a couple of steps and punched me in the nose, and down I went.”

The attacker tied Dawson up and ransacked her home. “I laid there and he’d keep going through the bedroom looking for stuff,” Dawson said. “What I was thinking of most is, ‘How is he going to kill me?'”

Who needs that? Sounds to me like a clear-cut case of It Should Have Been a Defensive Gun Use. Home carry, people. Home carry.

Anyway, thank you for your patience. Here’s the money shot of non-ballistic defensive stupidity you’ve been waiting for. It arrives courtesy of retired New York City Detective and hostage negotiator Wallace Zeins. A private investigator – armed courtesy of his pals in the force no doubt – who spent his 22-year law enforcement career in an urban “gun-free zone.”

Zeins suggests keeping another item in your bedroom: “Buy a can of wasp hornet spray in the hardware store or the supermarket, keep it by your bedside or the floor,” he said. “It’s more powerful than police Mace.

“The great part is, when you spray, it will go 20 to 25 feet,” Zeins added. An intruder hit with the spray will be temporarily blinded.

Zeins has another tip: Sleep with all your bedroom doors open. You want your kids to hear what’s going on; then you can get the family all in one place and leave together.

In a worst-case scenario — if you are captured by an intruder, like Susan Dawson — you should cooperate and tell them where the valuables are, Zeins advises.

“You tell them exactly where it is. You want to get them out of there as quickly as you can,” he said. “Remember, treat them like royalty. On top of that, you don’t want to lie to them.”

Here’s another approach: treat home invaders like vermin. Very. Dangerous. Vermin. Home carry, shoot to stop before the bad guy or guys or gal or gals punch you in the nose, tie you up and/or much, much worse. That is all.

comments

  1. avatar SelousX says:

    Is using the ‘Mozambique’ method considered ‘shooting to stop’?
    Just curious…

    1. avatar Roll says:

      Shoot till the assailant stops being a threat. If the Mozambique drill is what is required so be it.

    2. avatar Hal says:

      Not the first time I’ve heard some joker tell people to use wasp spray as a weapon. Funny thing is, when I checked out the label on the can in my garage, it stated words to the effect of:

      “Using this for any reason other than its original purpose (wasp control) is a violation of federal law.”

      So thanks a million to this f*cking clown and his shitty advice. This guy advocates breaking federal law and he gets the admiration of statist media and house fraus.

      But if a guy makes a supressor out of a plastic coke bottle as a joke on YouTube the only thing he will get is 10 years in the slammer.

      1. avatar Fred says:

        Still can’t beat double-barrel Joe.

      2. avatar Kyle says:

        I would think in a life-or-death situation, you could use it. But I’d still prefer a gun.

      3. avatar Joe Van says:

        So how bad of a federal offense would it be if you held a BIC lighter in front of the wasp spray and used it as a flame thrower? I suspect your home insurance company would have a problem with that, as well.

    3. avatar Barstow Cowboy says:

      Wow, the Mozambique drill? It seems as though I’ve stumbled into an (internet) den full of stone cold (keyboard) killers!

      1. avatar murray says:

        Combat Typists ?

      2. avatar Matt in FL says:

        I had the exact same thought.

      3. avatar Juan Lago says:

        Also known as “changing hearts and minds”.

      4. avatar TSgt B says:

        That, or people whom have undergone serious firearms training. Wasp spray, my a$$. It may spray 25 feet; my .45 will send the bastard much further (like, to eternity).

  2. avatar Bob Wall says:

    Wasp spray… and a Zippo!

    1. We used to call it the “Ortho Fireball”.

  3. avatar Werechicken says:

    Can of wasp spray…

    With a cigarette lighter. Or Dragon’s Breath shells.

    Just kidding – don’t use DB for home defense. Unless you are Professional Russian.

  4. avatar Korvis says:

    New York state of mind. (Or lack thereof.)

    1. avatar Larry says:

      New York state of mind. (Or lack thereof.)

      NYC state of mind, not NY state, in my part of the state we all have carry
      Permits.no test to take good for life,well until the safe act they were .

      That said sleep with your bedroom doors closed,stops fire spread,and the smoke that kills you first

      1. avatar archangel187 says:

        NYC stupidity aside, that was a great track off Naz’ Illmatic album. Billy Joel sucks.

      2. avatar Gary Schulze says:

        Finally, someone else speaks up about this. NYS is not the same as NYC. In Western NY you are surprised if someone is refused a pistol permit. In NYC, the angels sing when someone gets one.

        1. avatar Ralph says:

          In NYC, the angels sing when someone gets one.

          More like “the eagle shits when someone gets one.”

        2. avatar Barstow Cowboy says:

          In AZ you’re surprised if someone even bothers to GET the permit.

        3. avatar Sam says:

          In Vermont we don’t have permits for rights. Permits are for privileges.

      3. avatar Neil D says:

        Larry: Problem is that the NYC mentality will tend to leach out into the State if it is not challenged. NYC needs to realize that keeping law abiding citizens from protecting themselves is NOT the answer to their problems. You mentioned the “safe act” changing the lifetime status of concealed permits. Isn’t that an example of the NYC mentality leaching out into the State? We all need to make sure that these idiots that think controlling guns instead of tackling the real issues with criminals and the mentally ill is not the answer to controlling violence. Typically most of these efforts are little more than political posturing to try to get votes from the anti-gun crowd. Could be a few really think they are helping but those folks need to be brought out of the darkness and into the light.

  5. You might be able to hold off a burglar with some stupid gimick… but the type of people who do Home Invasions are very hard core gangsters and prepared for conflict. They expect it. They are coming in to do some hurt and don’t mind catching a few scratches or bruises in return. You better have a gun to protect yourself and family.

  6. avatar John Boch says:

    “Just give them what they want,” huh?

    Boy, that sure worked well on 9/11/01.

    Damn that so-called “expert” to hell.

    John

    1. I hope this expert does not mind if someone wants to shove a rusty pipe up his ass….

    2. avatar Another Robert says:

      One man (Richard Speck) was single-handedly able to rape and kill eight young women at one time, at his leisure, because they “co-operated” with him and allowed him to tie them up with torn sheets from their own beds. A ninth survived because he literally lost count of his victims and she managed to hide under a bed. An athletic young woman managed to fight her elderly attacker to a standstill, but wound up being held captive and raped before ultimately being murdered because she decided to “cooperate’ with her attacker and let him tie her up. This guy can take his advice and insert it in the orifice of his choice

      1. avatar ThomasR says:

        Was it the Zodiac Killer that tied up a couple at a lake because he said he only wanted the keys to thier car?. After they were tied up, he stabbed them to death.

        1. avatar Retired LEO says:

          The male survived, barely. If I remember correctly he was a sociology student. Wasp spray works on wasps not pyschos on meth, crack, smack or other pharmacologics. Thanks to youtube & expierence a lot have learned how to defeat a taser. A .357 or 9mm applied properly is the best solution.
          2 to the chest 1 to the head tepeat as needed.

    3. avatar Jon says:

      Giving what they wanted didn’t work so well in this case either. http://nypost.com/2013/09/09/conn-hostage-fiend-insists-he-was-nice-to-petits/

  7. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    And guess what? By using a can of wasp spray, you’re violating federal regulation & law.

    Use of pesticides “off label” is a violation of several EPA regulations. Using them for self defense or use on pests not on the label is “off label.”

    1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

      and the EPA has their own storm troopers. . . . . who wouldn’t hesitate to kick in your door and shoot your dog either.

    2. avatar smokeybehr says:

      I would never take the advice of a former LAPD, NYPD, DCPD, or Chicago PD cop. They have all been brainwashed that anyone carrying a gun that isn’t a cop is a criminal.

    3. avatar Bob Wall says:

      Screw all y’all…!

      I’m off to the mall to tear off “do not remove under penalty of law” tags off mattresses!!! :sarcasm: 3:)

      1. avatar Gunr says:

        So, your the guy that’s been doing that! I thought there was a reason I can’t sleep well on the mattress I bought.
        Gimmie my god dam tag back!

    4. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Even if you negate that use by degrading their effect by way of lighting them while dispensing? Just want to make sure of the rules…

      1. avatar Sian says:

        I guess it’s fine if you’re ok with burning your own home down.

      2. avatar Charles says:

        You may degrade the ingredients, but likely have it blow in both your faces. Not a good thing 🙂

        Since it would be a fire you created, likely deemed as arson related by the insurance company, they will most likely not cover any damage. You know how insurance companies love not to pay when they find a way out of it.

    5. avatar ihatetrees says:

      Absolutely.
      With today’s EPA working in a “Three Felonies a Day” world, I’d be very careful about using any non-specified chemical for self defense.
      This ex-NYPD jackhole should be careful about what he preaches. IF Mr Zeins trains someone who DOES bug spray a home invading degenerate, Mr Zeins may be the recipient of a large civil judgement (courtesy of said degenerate). This is NYC after all…

  8. avatar ToddR says:

    Wasps can be disabled with a 9 mm. You just need to be well-practiced.

    1. avatar Gunr says:

      You might also be doing some other disabling at the same time.

    2. avatar B says:

      9mm? You expect to take one out with one of those pea shooters? You need a big caliber to take them down, at least a .45 to better your odds of hitting them. If you wing one with a 9mm you’ll just piss it off. God forbid a swarm comes after you, then you better hope you have a 12 gauge handy to stand a chance.

      1. avatar Jordan says:

        Your comment is ill informed. 9 mm is plenty of fire power for self defense. “Stopping power” in handguns is a myth. None of them will work like a shotgun but a couple shots to the chest will likely kill an attacker.

        1. avatar archangel187 says:

          They were joking about shooting actual wasps, unless you thought they meant their intruders might be white, Anglo-Saxon protestants.

        2. avatar Jake Tallman says:

          Stopping power is defined as the transference of kinetic energy from the bullet to the target. Saying that such a thing is a myth is like saying terminal ballistics is a myth.

        3. avatar Gary Schulze says:

          I’ve never heard that definition, but I don’t think it really matters. Rarely is anyone stopped in their tracks after one hit unless it’s to the central nervous system (brain stem or spine). Even hitting someone in the heart gives them up to 20 seconds to finish you off. Most or at least the majority of self defense situations don’t require a single shot. Since your fine motor control disappears under all that stress, your hit rate will diminish. So even if you are right about the definition, It’s irrelevant. It’s like real estate, location, location, location.

      2. avatar Richard In WA says:

        12 ga works great on wasps. Took out a giant nest up a tree several years back. Took them OUT, no stings whatsoever (unlike using wasp spray). Nest never came back, must have killed the queen.

        So there. I have first-hand proof that guns are better on wasps than wasp spray.

  9. avatar Paul G. says:

    Wasp spray, it isn’t just for wasps anymore…..or does it only work on white anglo saxon protestant intruders?

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Wasp spray fail, baseball bat fail, kitchen knife WIN! Why didn’t they shoot the guy?

        1. avatar JR_in_NC says:

          Because they believed the horsecrap ideology that says stuff like all you need is wasp spray to defend yourself and did not own a gun?

  10. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    Well ok let’s start with this:
    “First, spraying someone with wasp spray can carry serious legal ramifications since federal law prohibits insect sprays from being used for anything other than their intended purpose.”
    Yup if it is clearly a method of defense you could be charged with a crime. So the Today Show just told people to break the law.

    Here is a nice little break down of sprays and what they do. Right tool for the job people, simple as that.
    http://americanpreppersnetwork.com/2014/01/does-bear-spray-or-wasp-spay-work-for-self-defense.html

    Need more proof?
    Here is a story regarding an intruder in North Bend Washington.
    “Boonstra attacked the 29-year-old man in the front entry way of the house, she said. The husband sprayed the wasp spray at Boonstra but it had no effect and the baseball bat broke during the struggle, Larson said.
    “This was truly a fight for their lives. And it went on for an extended period of time,” she said.
    At some point, “the husband was having trouble controlling the suspect and called out to his wife,” Larson said. That’s when the woman ran to the kitchen and retrieved a knife, fatally stabbing Boonstra.”
    http://snovalleystar.com/2013/05/15/north-bend-intruder-had-job-was-father-of-five

    Also if you have kids, do you want a chemical laying by your bedside where they can get to it? I would rather have a pistol in a bed side safe, knowing it is locked up.

    1. avatar Sabrewolfe says:

      And let us not forget good ol’ Snopes.com.

      http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp

      I know I’ll be sticking with my current system: hardened doors and window entries, loud dogs, gates at choke points, a practiced response plan, and home carry. Morons like Zeins can keep their wasp spray.

  11. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    ” It arrives courtesy of retired New York City Detective and hostage negotiator Wallace Zeins. A private investigator – armed courtesy of his pals in the force no doubt – who spent his 22-year law enforcement career in an urban “gun-free zone.” ”

    1. Retired + 2. Police Officer with more than 10+ yrs = 3. LEOSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act)

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Hey, he’s a PI now. So he lives off the crumbs that fall from the LEOs table. He needs all the publicity he can get now – no more steady paycheck and discounts. And I guess his [cushy] pension doesn’t fulfill his needs.

  12. avatar Panzercat says:

    I mean, aside from the fact that using wasp spray on anything than wasps is a punishable offense (says so on the can) it’s been proven to be pretty ineffective when it comes to incpacitation. Yeah, it smears all around and stings a bit, but it’s a toxin made for wasps. Not people.

    Had that same thing circulating around work. And had a laugh.

  13. avatar 27 Words says:

    “Treat them like royalty”?!? Really? I mean seriously, who even HAS a guillotine in their home these days?

    1. avatar 27 Words says:

      After further review, I guess that’s not what he meant, huh? In “treat them like royalty”, he apparently meant more along the lines of, offer them a cup of tea and some polite conversation. What an a$$hole.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Still, the guillotine idea has its points, no?

        1. avatar Sabrewolfe says:

          I agree, but unfortunately I doubt a jury would believe they were still a threat to you if you can manage to get their neck(s) under the blade. Shame. Perhaps a horizontal blade trap á la ‘Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade’ instead?

    2. avatar Martin B says:

      Ooooh, I do!!! It was part of a set up for a photography business that was just getting underway when I got sick again. It might just do the job if the perp cooperates.

      Otherwise I have a hot lead (steel) hose courtesy of Mossberg, and an SKS to act as deterrents. And a vicious, mean temper. The only defense is attack. Toujours l’audace!

  14. avatar Rabbi says:

    I have heard this advice before. What most people do not realizes that lethal force is defined as force that can kill or do grave bodily harm. Loss of a sense, such as sight is considered grave bodily harm. So, bug spray which able to blind people, is actually lethal force.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      And if he recovers what will he do to the person who just sprayed him in the face with bug spray?
      I would rather he not recover.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        You sure better empty the can.

        1. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Nobody needs more than ten sprays…

  15. avatar GS650G says:

    Care to bet Zeins would use wasp spray or lead spray on an intruder?

  16. avatar Tom W. says:

    When seconds count, the police are minutes,…. Oh nevermind……..

    Perhaps this expert’s (used loosely), advice works on the “sheeple” in society, especially the disarmed masses in Draconian anti gun law states, but 911 will be utilized, for me, to get this scumbags bleeding carcass off my floor, and than calling Servpro, to clean up the mess.

    Who the hell are these pacifist metrosexual sheep? Right up there with urinating on a rapist or telling him it’s “that time of the month” to stop the assault. Female Rep. From Colorado stated that brilliance.

    I’ve worn a dent in my table from banging my head against it.
    Geez,…..

    1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

      actually, I think she told the rape victim that the gun would have been used against her.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        I would love the chance to tell people like that to come right on and use my gun against me, if you think it’s going to be easy. Right here! Right now! Come and take it!

      2. avatar Gary in GA says:

        While she wasn’t allowed the tools to dispatch her assailant, fortunately the Colorado voters were allowed to use theirs. She resigned as opposed to face her sure recall.

        1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

          it would be nice for TTAG to do a follow up on those Colorado legislators and see what they are doing now with all o the extra time on their hands. . . .

      3. avatar John Butler says:

        Hudak was the subject of a third recall petition for her condescending speech to the young woman who testified. The Colorodo Democratic Party “strongly urged” her to resign so govrner Hickenlooper could appoint a Democratic replacement. Polls taken at the time of her resignation showed that she likely would have been recalled and replaced by her Republican opponent giving the Rupblicans control of the state senate.

    2. avatar styrgwillidar says:

      Keep a record of the SERVPRO bills and take the intruder’s estate to small claims court for reimbursement. If he’s indigent, than file a claim with the state if they have one of those victim’s assistance funds set up.

  17. avatar styrgwillidar says:

    Did the ‘journalists’ behind this story ask the logical question:

    ‘So, Mr. Zeins– what do you keep and plan on using for self-defense in your home?’

  18. avatar Buster says:

    Now I can finally bring my wasp spray holster idea to fruition!

  19. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    Isn’t using poison still considered deadly force?

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Worse. Chemical weapons use is a war crime by international standards.

      1. avatar Ethnic Russian says:

        War conventions are regulating only state military forces in case of war.
        As far as you being disarmed by some leftist freaks of nature, you are not even part of “well regulated milita”.

        1. avatar Chase F. says:

          First of all, it is a felony to use the wasp spray for self defense (read the label, folks!). Second, “Well-regulated” just means that you are trained, and “militia” means anyone with a gun that will serve for civil defense. Finally, the Constitution’s Preamble makes it more than obvious that the rights listed are FOR THE PEOPLE… The Military as we know it didn’t exist, and (as a government entity) the Bill of Rights wouldn’t apply.

  20. avatar Robert Inguaggiato says:

    And the jokers keep getting airtime no matter how stupid the statements

  21. avatar AZ2KC says:

    As with any situation if I feel my life or my families life is in immediate jeopardy, I certainly don’t want to rely on the knock down power of wasp spray.

    I have seen seasoned LEO’s who get mace in their own eyes and on their face during a struggle rendering them partially incapacitated. If someone is in MY ROOM , which is where they want us to store the wasp spray, you better believe that my reaction will be swift and purposeful. It will not be my intention to maim or injure the perpetrator, but rather to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible. If someone loses eyesight while breaking into my house and entering my room, it will be because of an entrance wound from a bullet and not due to wasp spray.

  22. avatar Amok! says:

    Zeins can go Fcuk himself with his wasp spray.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders

    I will spray from a 33rd Corbon DPX filled happystick in my Glock 19

  23. avatar Scrubula says:

    That wasp spray sounds like a bad idea. To a jury it is going to sound cruel and unusual.

  24. avatar tdiinva says:

    Unfortunately for those who live in the gunfreetopia of NYC and similar places, wasp spray may be all that they can muster for self defense. However, I would suggest as an alternative good old fashion bear spray. If bear spray can drive off a Grizzly it can stun an intruder but you better be prepared to take some “seasoning” yourself and immediately follow up the spray with some blunt force trauma before he recovers.

  25. avatar FoRealz? says:

    Lemme get this shit straight in my mind:

    If in the middle of a home invasion:

    1. Hide or run from your own home.
    2. Or huddle together with your kids and hope for the best.
    3. Use wasp spray if feeling saucy and daring to go “armed.”
    3. If none of that works, treat em like royalty.

    If about to be raped:

    1. Pee, poop or vomit on yourself.
    2. Tell them you’re on your period
    3. Blow your rape whistle.

    You know, there is such a thing as having basic dignity as a human being, and it matters. The people who give this kind advice give it because they don’t recognize the value of yours.

    People like the detective have the peculiar liberal disease of thinking everyone but them and theirs are unwashed masses deserving of contempt, with little human value, and who require their benevolent guidance. So they stoop low to the gutter to speak nonsense at the peasants.

    Typical libtard advice. Submit, and be thankful that your dose of the business wasn’t worse this time.

    John Wayne wouldn’t put up with that shit.

    No thanks asshole. We’ll keep our guns.

    1. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      These are homilies given to people who have already been made helpless. Since they see themselves as powerless, it’s unthinkable for them to even imagine how they might seize the moment and actually defend themselves. Telling women to pee on themselves or blow a “rape whistle” is a pathetic act of hubris. No authority advocating such a “defense” actually believes doing that would be effective. It’s just something to make the sheeple feel good about themselves. It’s like telling people that calling 911 will somehow save them from imminent harm when, in fact, you’re more likely to simply leave behind a recording of your demise.

    2. avatar JR_in_NC says:

      For rape, you can always hope your attacker picked the right 24 hour block so you can flee to the “24 Hour Rape Free Zone.”

      http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/oct98/rapefree.htm

      And while there, you can read him some poetry.

      http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/sep99/rapefree092899.htm

  26. avatar pod says:

    Here’s the article if anyone wants to go over and dispense some real advice.

    http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2014/09/08/25939546-how-to-protect-your-family-from-home-invasion

  27. avatar Anonymous says:

    Here’s another approach: treat home invaders like vermin. Very. Dangerous. Vermin. Home carry, shoot to stop before the bad guy or guys or gal or gals punch you in the nose, tie you up and/or much, much worse. That is all.

    Or Will Hayden you. Don’t want to get Hayden’d. He’ll cover your mouth with his hand with a lit joint between his fingers. Now that is some vermin right there.

  28. avatar mike says:

    What a perfect guide to being a helpless victim.

  29. avatar Joe R. says:

    If you leave a full can of wasp spray partially protruding from your rectum, when and if you have an intruder in your home you can just yell out to the intruder/attacker as a faux-warning “Watch Out that bat-sh_t crazy dude has another can of wasp-spray!!!…” And they will turn and run.

  30. avatar Jus Bill says:

    Zeins has another tip: Sleep with all your bedroom doors open. You want your kids to hear what’s going on…

    That dope doesn’t have a wife or a sleep-in GF, or he never would have said that.

  31. avatar Gunr says:

    Here’s an idea for the few “Non gun believers” that might be listening. Keep several wasps in a jar. When your assailant attacks, and you put him down with your magical wasp spray, just kill the wasps in the jar, and then sprinkle them on the fallen comrade, and tell the “man” when he arrives, that you were just spraying some pesky wasps, and didn’t notice anybody coming in with them!

  32. avatar Greg says:

    They should just have told people to bend over and take it.
    Sissified America brought to you by, “The Today Show.”

  33. avatar NJ2AZ says:

    Why would i need to waste money on wasp spray? can’t i just vomit/whiz/menstruate on myself??

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Former NYPD Det. Sgt. for 30 yrs; ret. commanding officer Manhattan Detectives Nightwatch; supervisor Hostage Negotiation Team; law-enforcement reporter

      I guess the “law-enforcement reporter” thing was the interview?

  34. avatar Mediocrates says:

    Mr. Zeins should team up with the NY Times and start up a class called “Passive cooperation for Victims”. The fine print can read “death or extreme bodily harm may or may not occur”.

  35. avatar Phil COV says:

    What a nation of p-COMMENT MODERATED.

  36. avatar Ralph says:

    Maybe that nitwit Zeins can give us some stock tips while he’s at it.

  37. avatar Rusty Chains says:

    I should thank this guy, I now have a name for my home defense shotgun! A home intruder can easily be hit at 25 feet, but temporary blindness won’t be his major problem at that point.

    1. avatar Former Water Walker says:

      HA! Beat me to it. 00buck and bug spray. A winning combination.

  38. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    Most commonly sold pesticides today are so banal as to be nearly worthless for use on anything larger than small insects. It is impossible to find any pesticides without licensing that use any other chemical family other than pyrethrins/pyrethroids, which disrupt the nervous systems of insects.

    Gone are the days when you could get powerful organophosphates/organochlorides without an applicator’s license. Today, about all that you can get your hands on without a license is malathion, and you can practically soak your clothes and skin in malathion and not get anywhere close to the LD50 exposure. The EPA has set up the pesticide market so that anything remotely effective requires an applicator’s license and inventory tracking. There’s a reason why bedbugs are coming back in a great proliferation, and it isn’t only the fact that we’re allowing an increasing number of the third world to decamp from their rustic origins into our civilization without actually requiring that they adopt civilized behavior – like hygiene and basic home sanitation.

    If you’re seeking something that, if sprayed in the attacker’s face, would blind him, you need to look to cleaning products for your off-label application. Things like oven cleaners – and only specific oven cleaners. You should seek out oven cleaners that contain lye, aka caustic soda, aka “sodium hydroxide,” aka NaOH, as one of the major cleaning ingredients. Lye is nothing to fool around with, and if applied to someone’s eyes will result in permanent blindness within a minute or two, at most.

    Gunsmiths often have to work around highly caustic chemicals, and lye is one of those chemicals. “Hot blueing” salts are basically lye, sodium nitrate and water in proportions such that the devil’s brew will boil at about 285F. They’re caustic as a fishwife’s tongue and require the utmost care and precaution in handling. More than one gunsmith’s shooting career has ended because of getting a small amount of blueing salts splashed into his eye(s).

    Then, the bit of this career law enforcement “professional’s” advice that really sets me off is this:

    “Remember, treat them like royalty. On top of that, you don’t want to lie to them.”

    Yea, right. OK, here’s a little tidbit for all you “law enforcement professionals” reading this blog:

    Go read the FBI UCR.

    Start plugging the numbers into spreadsheets.

    Notice a trend therein: The more force the victim uses to resist an attack the better the outcome for the victim.

    In other words, “treating them (the attackers) like royalty” goes against the large, statistical trend in the UCR data.

    I’d like to propose a new qualification for becoming a law enforcement officer (besides my previously desired IQ test, requiring a result of 120 or better to pass): That they read the reams of data in the FBI UCR and be able to pick out trends and patterns. This would prevent such “career professionals” from spouting such codswallop and prattle as the above.

    For those of us who are “civilians:” Remember this: Most everything “law enforcement professionals” tell you on home/self defense is a complete crock of crap. They have no interest, professional or personal, in your safety. If the victims of the world rose up and decided to kick criminal ass with ferocity and consistency, these “law enforcement professionals” would be out of a job (and also their cushy pension/health care packages) in a short time – so it is against their financial interests to offer advice that works.

    1. avatar Gunr says:

      Your mention of the chemical “Malathion” brings back memories of the spraying of that stuff down in the San Francisco Bay area, to eliminate the “Med Fly”, back in I think the mid eighties??
      The helicopters, used to come at night, several at a time, and get that crap all over everybody’s car.

  39. avatar Claude says:

    “Larson said the husband armed himself with a baseball bat and a can of wasp spray before heading down the stairs.

    Boonstra attacked the 29-year-old man in the front entry way of the house, she said. The husband sprayed the wasp spray at Boonstra but it had no effect and the baseball bat broke during the struggle, Larson said. ”

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020985435_northbendfollow1xml.html

  40. avatar Josh says:

    “Treat them like royalty.” That’s one of the most pathetic things I’ve heard in my entire life. He’s recommending putting your life in the hands of someone who’s intention may be murder or rape all along, and saying “thank you sir may I please have another.” Oh and God forbid you’re dishonest with a criminal. But I guess those things are your only options when you are disarmed and pre-conditioned to be a good little victim. Anyone who violates the sanctity of my home and attempts to harm myself or my family is only going to get a one way ticket to hell out of me (to paraphrase Steven Segal).

  41. avatar EJ says:

    I’ve been sprayed in the face with wasp spray before.

    It hurt my eyes, yeah, but didn’t blind me, cause involuntary coughing or anything like that, and it sure didn’t stop me from grabbing the brat that did it and dragging him to his house so he could explain his ‘prank’ to his mother.

    Incidentally, the little sh*thead ambushed me with a paintball gun the next day as revenge for me getting him trouble. I’d anticipated trouble, however, and was carrying a slingshot and some of those half inch white glass ‘tracer’ marbles…

    (For the curious, I was 16 and he was 12 or 13 at the time).

  42. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    I hope that former nypd clown reads this post and the comments.
    At the risk of my comment being moderated, he is an idiot.

  43. avatar Patrick Hayes says:

    It never ceases to amaze me the stupid crap anti gunners come up with. It’s hard to imagine people who can be that dumb.

  44. avatar Hannibal says:

    Wasp spray may very well blind someone, so you’re probably moving into the category of only being able to justify using it if you’re reasonably in fear of serious bodily injury. Given that fact, why not use a gun, which will be much more likely to work?

    If wasp spray was such a good defensive mechanism against robbers NYC would ban it, for the children.

  45. avatar Chuck Haggard says:

    Wasp spray is an incredibly poor bit of advice. The last person I know of that used wasp spray to try and fend off an attacker got the crap beat out of them so badly they ended up in the ICU

  46. avatar Gregory says:

    So, once you use the spray inside your home, it becomes a hazardous waste site. The EPA will come in and take your house over. They will demolish it and charge you $10,000,000.00 for the cleanup and disposal of the contaminated building materials. In our present economy, 50 cents per round of ammunition is the most cost effective way to go.

  47. avatar Rich says:

    Well then, I suggest that all cops carry bug spray, sell their guns and use the money to buy safe cars that they and their buddies, also with bug spray, and run to and hide while the perps get away.

  48. avatar Madcap_Magician says:

    The Use-Wasp-Spray-It’s-Better-Than-OC rumor is always being resurrected on the gun boards, and good Lord but it pisses me off when I see it. Again. And Again.

  49. avatar IdahoPete says:

    “… if you are captured by an intruder, like Susan Dawson — you should cooperate and tell them where the valuables are, Zeins advises. “You tell them exactly where it is. You want to get them out of there as quickly as you can,” he said. “Remember, treat them like royalty. On top of that, you don’t want to lie to them.”

    And when they decide to rape you and cut your throat, be sure to tell them where the condoms and your sharpest kitchen knife are – all part of treating them like royalty.

    Retired New York City Detective and hostage negotiator Wallace Zeins is, in my humble 1st Amendment-protected opinion, a totally worthless POS. He is apparently a supporter of the Union of Concerned Rapists and Muggers, since he wants to make sure the home invasion scum are not shot by any homeowners.

  50. avatar Jerryboy says:

    What if he doesn’t want the damn valuables? Ever hear of BTK? What if the valuables he wants are your family’s lives?

    ‘sides, I don’t keep wasp spray in the house, WD40 is just as effective, cheaper, and not nearly as toxic.

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