BREAKING: CA Police Stop Stockton Bank Robbers Armed with “Assault Rifle”

Three bank robbers are in police custody after they attempted to rob Bank of the West in Stockton. The incident left two of three robbers and one hostage dead (who may or may not have been shot by police). The cops say the robbers used at least one “AK-47-style” rifle in their attack and that “multiple civilians” were shot in the ensuing firefight. Two of the women [hostages] were thrown from the suspects’ car during the chase,” Reuters reports, “one with a minor gunshot wound. Another ‘large exchange of gunfire’ took place after the suspects’ car became disabled, police said. ‘Ultimately, all three suspects were shot (one dead) and the third hostage was found in the vehicle deceased from gunfire,’ police said.” Make the jump for two videos showing just how many police responded and more footage of the bullet-ridden SUV . . .

 

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  1. Wait wait wait. This simply cannot have happened. Those are banned in CA. I call BS.

    On a serious note, prayers to the innocents affected.

    1. avatar BlinkyPete says:

      I agree… this must be a misprint and some shoddy reporting on TTAG’s part. Either that or California’s gun laws are malfunctioning again.

      1. avatar MisinformedFox says:

        Our laws never work unless it has to do with taxing.

    2. avatar tdiinva says:

      Be ironic if it were a F&F refugee returning home.

      1. That thought definitely crossed my mind as well.

      2. avatar notalima says:

        I would pay for that.

        That said, even if it were to be so, it would NEVER be reported. That information would be quashed…and the hard drives mysteriously purged/refreshed/creashed. Just like all those IRS HDs (and if anyone believes that load of crap, I’ve got a garage full of 1969 ZL1’s (with one mile each) to sell you.

  2. avatar Andrew says:

    Also – is that gunfire in the video or the sound of a motorcycle (aka chopper) idling? I can’t tell.

    Edit – apparently its gunfire…

    “During the chase, the suspects continually shot at officers with AK-47 style rifles,”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-california-hostage-chase-20140717,0,6923927.story

    1. avatar S.CROCK says:

      It was the sound of a chopper, but not the motorcycle. It was what rappers are referring to when they say chopper. (AK-47)

    2. avatar robert says:

      Yes it s gunfire. Keith shot the video from about a 1000 feet from where it tragically ended. the documented 19 year old scumturd survived. Thankfully LEO shot the other 2. I fully believe they shot Misty as well.

  3. avatar DBM says:

    They were using AKMs and not AK-47s.

    Why is it the cops find it so easy to whack law abiding unarmed citizens but not armed criminals?

    1. avatar tdiinva says:

      It isn’t deliberate. They are shooting randomly in the general direction of a preceived threat. It is inevitable that some of those wild shot will hit innocents.

      If you think about it, a lot of self defense tactics assume that the guy shooting at you knows what he is doing.instead of throwing rounds downrange in the general direction of the target. Movement works a lot better to throw off your assailent’s aim if he is actually aiming at you and fires in tight pattern. How many times do we about gangbanger drivebys that hit a bunch innocents and miss the intended target even though he might be only 10′ away from the shooter.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Aimed fire is difficult when you are required to hold your gun sideways. Let’s have a little compassion for cultural requirements, here!

    2. avatar Taylor TX says:

      I dont think anyone but us will make the differentiation in the version of the AK 🙂

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        Seen one AK, seen ’em all.

  4. avatar OakRiver says:

    My thoughts and prayers go to the innocent victims caught up in this.

    I’m interested in hearing more details about the robbers, and how they obtained these firearms.

    1. avatar Nighthawk says:

      ATF storefront, Eric Holder’s FnF or Leland Yee’s arms racket. Take your pick, all are plausible in California, far more than a dealer selling “California Legal” guns to a straw purchaser.

  5. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    Holy cow … I counted something like 43 police cars driving by the amateur videographer! What location has 43 police cars available to respond to something?

    Oh wait … I wrote this comment before watching the entire video. Another 6 police cars and one motocycle cop also arrived on scene. Where do we have 50 police vehicles available to respond to a bank robbery?

    1. avatar Mediocrates says:

      no kidding. the rest of Stockton must have been pretty much defenseless.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Correct.

    2. avatar Ed Rogers says:

      Stockton, CA is a cesspool of the state. It’s one of the reasons I moved, although I miss family still there.

    3. avatar dph says:

      We only saw 50 cop cars from the one angle, how many more arrived from other directions?

    4. avatar Al says:

      The perps were named Jake and Elwood, so the response was pretty tame, I’d say.

      1. The use of unnecessary force in the apprehension of the Blues brothers…has been approved.

    5. avatar J from Texas says:

      No way couldn’t happen. Didn’t you read about how we would be surprised to find out how few officers are available to respond to emergencies? I don’t know if anyone wishes that were true more than someone taken hostage in a car.

    6. avatar SGC says:

      I was thinking the same thing…that would have been every cop car for three counties around me (police and sheriffs combined!). And a helicopter…and don’t forget the dreaded MRAP showed up at the end parked by the riddled SUV. Probably a submarine somewhere nearby too…

    7. avatar Cliff H says:

      Late to the party, but I have to comment –

      If someone with malicious intent were to see this video they would understand that the only thing required for a highly successful terrorist attack against a soft target anywhere int he U.S. is for two or three of their buddies to rob a bank on the other side of town WITH ASSAULT RIFLES (!) and suck up every single police type personnel as far from the scene of the true target as possible.

      Who the HELL was watching the rest of Stockton while these 50 or more cops chased one car and shot a civilian?

  6. avatar FortWorthColtGuy says:

    It is time to “do something”. For the kids of course!

    I blame this on California’s lax gun laws. They need an assault weapons ban and magazine limit. That will solve all the problems!

    #sarcasm

    1. avatar S.CROCK says:

      I don’t think thats enough to solve the problem, they need registration, 10 day waiting periods, and bullet buttons.

  7. avatar Chris Thomerson says:

    My fiancée lives in stockton….I hate that city. Cannot wait til the wedding to get her up to where I live!

  8. avatar gbo says:

    At least the reporting referred to the weapons as AK-47 “STYLE” weapons. IMHO, that’s a step up from referring to every weapon as an AR, an AK, or a Glock. Could responsible journalism and proper vocabulary be on the rise? Meh, probably not.

    1. avatar Andrew says:

      Moving forward, I would also like to see any perpetrator-driven vehicle shot up in a crime referred to as “The Death Wagon”.

    2. avatar Bruce L. says:

      Except one report I saw on TV was they had sub-machine guns. It’s sad.

  9. avatar David B says:

    The po-po don’t need MRAPs or 50 responders. 1 cop with a S&W Model 19 should’ve been plenty. Police militarization must stop.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Ain’t THAT the truth!

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      That would have been 20 years ago, before all the Federal toyz. Now, I’m surprised they didn’t use a gunship on them. Or the “fully functioning Death Star.”

    3. avatar Morgan Gatorsee says:

      You are sooooo wrong, they DO need MRAPS and this proves they need more than MRAPS, they need Blackhawk helicopters with miniguns,

      Furthermore each squad car should be replaced with a Hummer, all of course having a dedicated man on the back to run the ma deuce

      As the man in the video said, “THIS IS THE POLICE FAULT” and so with that deploying the Blackhawk would have ended the fiasco a lot faster.

      Oh and when the rare situation is not in progress we can still use the Blackhawks in the sky for radar, traffic violations, cell phone usage, indecent exposure …. you know for those who might be taking a piss in their back yard, heck the limit for fines is only your imagination!

      1. avatar Tom Collins says:

        Don’t forget the MQ1’s loaded up with AGM-114’s !!

        1. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Pending FAA approval, of course.

    4. avatar SGC says:

      Perhaps they could have pulled out a bull horn and started a dialog with the robbers…gained their trust…and talked them into a peaceful surrender. Then held hands as they walked to the county jail?

      Better yet…ride along side them and tweet whistles at them while brandishing rubber truncheons!

      Hell…just let them go. Or better yet, end this War on Robbery by legalizing bank robbery!

    5. avatar Ben says:

      So if the one police officer was the first person killed?

    6. avatar Joe Wright says:

      Dave B. I grew up in St Louis, Mo, and in mid 60’s , the police shot up a brick house where a nut job was holed up. There were hundreds of bullet fired at that house, and you could see all of the pock marks on the outside walls. So, you don’t need automatic weapons, to shoot up something. This was done with revolvers, shotguns and a few bolt actions rifles. You just need more cops.

  10. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    More importantly, how is it that police riddle the getaway vehicle with bullets when there is a hostage inside? Is there a police policy that considers such a person unfortunately expendable?

    1. avatar LongBeach says:

      That’s what stuck out to me as well. The life of the hostage wasn’t factored into the equation, so long as the cops got the guy(s).

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        “The needs of the many outweight the needs of the one.”

    2. avatar Calvin says:

      Officer safety > hostage safety, but you knew that already

    3. avatar KOTA-10 says:

      I was listening on the scanner when this all went down. They knew there was a hostage but when the hostage was thrown from the moving vehicle they thought the hostage were clear. However, even if at some point it was made clear there was a second hostage – the three gunmen were firing wildly from their car and there were hundreds of bystanders – ergo – hundreds of hostages. As someone else said – the needs of the many outweigh the few.

    4. avatar Nassion says:

      They must be using Russian hostage negatiation tactics.

  11. avatar Wheelsucker says:

    Like how title has AK-47s but story says “at least one AK-47”. Always turn the drama knob to 11. I bet the CIVILIAN cops returned fire with ugly black rifles too.

    1. avatar Rydak says:

      There is no such thing as a NON Civilian cop in america. MPs have no authority over US citizens. Only to protect military assets and property, But, hey.. keep misusing that term, I’m sure it will help to bring clarity to this and every other situation.

      1. avatar BonesMcCoy says:

        I read that as putting emphasis on the fact that cops are civilians, not to distinguish (by implication) some cops as non-civilian.

      2. avatar Nighthawk says:

        As others said, cops are civilians but entirely exempt from the unconstitutional state laws mandating ridiculous cosmetic changes, magazine capacity limits, and so on. Cops are civilians whom are exempt and criminals are civilians whom ignore the laws. Both are armed as they please, and if the totalitarian statists have their way it means only government employees and criminals will be armed reducing the rest of us from citizen to peasant.

        1. avatar tdiinva says:

          There is a misconception that the police are “civilians” in the sense of a private citizen. They are not. They are agents of the government charged with enforcing laws and keeping the civil peace. These powers are held by all governments. The difference between the US and virtually every other country is that the state does not have an unlimited monopoly on the use of force to protect lives and property.
          Anybody who does not understand either concept does not understand the Founding Fathers concept of Constitutionalism and republican government.

        2. avatar Sam Spade says:

          tdiinva. You are incorrect. The fact that they’re government employees makes them no less civilians than other government employees carrying out government assignments–even other uniformed government employees, like mailmen or city bus drivers. Or private secutity agents for that matter, whom the government hires in some matters, like guarding FBI offices.

          The kind of police force you envision wasn’t invented until the 1800s, long after the founding fathers. In England I think and imported to the United States.

        3. avatar tdiinva says:

          Yes, Sam, I said they were civilians but not like you and me because the government has given them powers to enforce laws and keep the peace that you and I don’t have.

          The US Marshal Services dates from the early days of the Republic. If you check out their responsibilities you will find that they were the Chief Law Enforcement officers in US Terrirories and just like police today they were authorized to use force where you or I could not even in 1789.

          The creation of regular Police forces is a product of the growth of cities beyond the point where community law enforcement could be effective. The Founding Fathers would have understood this since they built a constitutional structure that anticipated the growth of the nation.

        4. avatar Gene says:

          @sam spade: Police are xivikians – period. They are not under the UCMJ. At most, they may be referred to as para-military because they have rank and uniform. They ge special consideration with law because of union support as well as experience being in enforcement. Also note, that those exceptions typically are for active LEO and fully retired LEO. Additoonally, there are other exceptions for things like post office as well as other armed public services (at least in VA). UCMJ subordinance is key.

        5. avatar k says:

          local and state agencies, as well as their employees (cops) are not exempt from any federal firearms laws, I don’t know where you people get these ideas. They have a little bit of leeway when it comes to concealed carry, but that’s it. Some shthole lib states like California allow cops to purchase weapons and mags exempt from state bans, but the agency owns them and the officer must turn them in when he retires.

  12. avatar Tim says:

    Good thing the cops had an MRAP. They could have had an IED in their escape route!

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      That was a Bearcat. An MRAP would get there tomorrow, leaving a wake of broken pavement and collapsed sewers.

      1. avatar SGC says:

        It was a big black scary thing with a thing that goes up and fires hundreds of assault bullets!!!

        1. avatar Tom Collins says:

          With banana magazine clips !!

        2. avatar Another Robert says:

          My question is–did it play any kind of role in the stop/capture? If not–then why did the cops “need” it?

        3. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Photo op. LOOK! SQUIRREL!

        4. avatar SGC says:

          They don’t need those MRAPS any more than common citizens need “weapons of war” on our streets! Yay democrats!

        5. avatar Another Robert says:

          So tell me, SGC–what help was that Bearcat in this situation? Can you answer the question? Or are you limited to just posting snark?

        6. avatar SGC says:

          It was of no help that I could see…just like the AR’s and AK’s in my gun safe have been of no help…yet. Will either the MRAP, or my rifles, be of help one day…? Can’t say…

          My point was, the famous democrat “you don’t need” phrase rubs me the wrong way, no matter who uses it or for what purpose.

        7. avatar John in Ohio says:

          @SGC: I could see your point if there were no distinction between the two circumstance. There it a difference though. The comparison you are making is between individuals exercising their rights and agents of government exercising privileges. It is improper for government to tell individuals that they don’t need something that is clearly within their right to keep and bear. It is proper for citizens to tell agents of government that they don’t need something that they keep and bear under their privileges. The two circumstances are not the same.

  13. avatar Travis says:

    I listened to this live on the scanner. It was handled poorly.

  14. avatar Ron says:

    They got those rifles from Senator Yee

  15. avatar David P says:

    Ron you beat me to the senator Yee reference.

  16. avatar former water walker says:

    Isn’t Stockton “chicagolike” ( feel free to steal this adjective )? I would think it’s shoot 1st & ask ? later…

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Stockton has one of the highest violent crime rates in the state, with over 4600 violent crimes per 100,000 per year. With a population of about 300,000, that is a lot of violent crimes.

    2. avatar Nathan says:

      I lived in Manteca (20 minutes from Stockton) and went to UOP in Stockton. Let’s just say that you don’t want to be anywhere in Stockton after dark (or even before) except the UOP campus

  17. avatar Mediocrates says:

    so they have known hostages and the po po fill the SUV with bullet holes? dear God…

    1. avatar Nighthawk says:

      Maybe they were following Russian police procedural doctrine?

  18. avatar David P says:

    “A year after Sandy Hook, let us recommit ourselves to working towards a safer society for all of us”

    Elect Democrat Leland Yee and the gun problem will be no more.

  19. avatar v v ind says:

    For a city that just went bankrupt that is a lot of responding units, unless lodi police and chp all join in on the chase route.

    1. avatar DrewN says:

      And the sheriff’s dept. and UOP cops and Sac cops coming from Elk Grove and who knows who else.

    2. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Well, heck, thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten that. Bankrupt AND able to send 50 units to pursue one bad guy vehicle. Amazing.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Now you just know all the units just climbed onto that horse; nobody “sent” more than a handful. It was a nice day and that was a pleasant way to spend the rest of their shift milling around and chatting before calling it a day.

    3. avatar Alan Rose says:

      Now you know WHY they are bankrupt. Wait til they get the bills for this fiasco, everything from citizen lawsuits to replacement ammo. What do you think the citizens would say if this city did like some others and cut positions, then told the citizens to arm up and protect themselves?

  20. avatar Mike says:

    During the commerical lead ins to the 11pm news, Fox 2 and KRON 4 called the guns fully auto assault rifles. ABC 7 said at least one semi automatic assault rifle. And that was definitely a banned 30 rd magazine.

    Glad to see our laws are working.

    Also, how can Stockton afford so many police while in Ch. 9 bankruptcy?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Junk Bond issues.

      1. avatar Jeff says:

        fund+fund+issue a bond=success!

        learned how to mayor in Simcity 2000

        1. avatar SGC says:

          +1 SimCity for the win!

  21. avatar esitue says:

    Children from one of the relocation centers, no doubt

  22. avatar v v ind says:

    Yeh, hi-cap mags, no bullet button, and either a folding stock or no stock. They just released a photo. Def not CA legal.
    * one rifle & three handguns according to the local paper.

    1. avatar Gene says:

      That’s because the other states in the union have such lax gun laws, you know. /Sarc

    2. avatar Indiana Tom says:

      They probably bought it in Hammond Indiana. Heck, everything else gets bought there.

  23. avatar dh34 says:

    I would be interested in whether they are semi AKs or full auto (by design or modified). It’s apparent they aren’t CA legal in the configuration shown.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      I would be interested to know if the “rifle” was an “F&F Special.”

  24. avatar Dave says:

    I can’t watch the video at work… Would I be correct in assuming that the hostage was killed from the police riddling the SUV with bullets?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Yup. Looked like Swiss Cheese. The MEs brought sponges and buckets for the remains.

  25. avatar DD says:

    They needed the MRAP, they responded appropriately until we know different, no just a pistol defense would not have been adequate, and finally many of you are once again lowering the blog closer to the perceived level of a CPFG (crack pot fringe group). But keep it up, at least its entertaining . . . somewhat.

    1. avatar Another Robert says:

      1. Why do you assume that “the police responded appropriately until we know different”? Just a “benefit of the doubt” kind of thing, or it specifically reserved for cops?
      2. What good did the MRAP do? That’s not rhetorical, did an MRAP actually play a role in the capture?
      3. The only one suggesting pistols alone would suffice was being sarcastic, I think. Don’t think anybody here would seriously posit that point of view, tho I could be mistaken.

      1. avatar DD says:

        Unfortunately, this blog is still filled with immature CPFG members who obviously lack the appreciation for the members of LE who put their lives on the line to stop these types of hideous maniacs at the flip of a switch, without warning or preparation for the encounter, and at times when they’re not at the peak of readiness. How selfish it is to begrudge the few who answer the call to violent encounters on behalf of a society who can not, or WILL NOT, for very little compensation and with the understanding that their lives might be ended or changed forever in the outcome. What a pathetic group it is in deed not to support those who risk everything they have and their family hopes to have on a daily basis, just so some stupid pig in an armchair can second guess them, belittle them, judge their activities before knowing what they were, then get on a blog and spew garbage about them. If any of you had any stones whatsoever you would STFU.

  26. avatar John says:

    Hey, at least they got to break out all of their toys…

    I certainly feel for the family of the hostages, and they probably aren’t even going to be able to to win a suit against the police, not that Stockton apparently has any money from what other commenters are saying.

  27. avatar JP in Buffalo says:

    Am I wrong to assume that in a hostage situation the police must restrain from firing, even when fired upon, unless they have a clear shot?

    1. avatar Gunr says:

      In a perfect world!

    2. avatar SGC says:

      I’d agree with that, in a perfect world. Trouble is, we don’t live in one.

      By this idea, if I take a hostage…then I’m bulletproof. I can shoot anyone and everyone else around me at random and with impunity as long as I don’t give the police a clear shot at me.

      In 2001, if you had known UA175 was inbound to the WTC…would you have shot it down? Or let it hit the building?

      In a perfect world, everyone would be saved. In our world, that just isn’t the case.

  28. avatar Jeff says:

    I noticed starting during the Dorner and Boston incidents that cops never “pull security”, there is never anyone watching flank and rear in shooter situations.

    One of these days, someone is going to take out a shitload of cops by simply having an accomplice open fire on their rear.

    1. avatar Calvin says:

      I’ve noticed that elsewhere when I’ve had the opportunity to watch SWAT deploy. I think it says a lot that this scenario has never happened, given how easy it would be. Could we call that getting counter-SWATed? Call in something that would trigger a SWAT response, then fire from the flank/rear of their position.

      Seems like crazies almost always come one at a time. The CiCi’s ambush comes to mind but their tactics were not what we’re describing.

  29. avatar Dev says:

    Anyone else notice that suddenly the day after import os AKs is banned by the president those were the rifle of choice for this? My skeptical side says these were probably ARs but AK xan make the president go “See I was right!”

    1. avatar tdiinva says:

      The AK ban was to punish the Russians not implement gun control. The fact that American gun owners may be hurt is just a postive externality.

      1. avatar Alan Rose says:

        Two birds one stone. Well played Mr. Obama, well played indeed. I bet him and Uncle Joe were high fiving each other over that one.

      2. avatar Indiana Tom says:

        Never let an opportunity go to waste!

  30. avatar Alan Rose says:

    Considering how many bullet holes I can see, I wonder how many missed.

    1. avatar bontai Joe says:

      I had the same thought. With the typical hit to miss ration being something like 20% hits and 80% misses, I wonder how much of the neighborhood got shot up? I also wonder how many dead people will be discovered in their homes along the route?

  31. avatar Tim in WA says:

    What caliber did they shoot that SUV up with? Looks like half-inch diameter holes, were they all shooting 45-acp?

  32. avatar Tex300BLK says:

    Honestly this sounds kind of cold… but the lesson any prospective bank robber learned today was loud and clear. Hostage guaranteed these guys exactly nothing. 2 of the 3 criminals died and 1 is in critical condition.

    Now I don’t know if this was intentional on behalf of the police, but it reminds of an anecdote of a situation played out in Germany a decade or two ago. Bank robbers had been robbing banks and taking hostages to secure their escape, until one day, the German equivalent of SWAT decide enough was enough and stormed a bank where a robbery/ hostage situation was in process and killed everyone. Germany no longer has the problem it used to have with armed bank robbery. I wonder why that is?

    These goons learned the hard way that using people as human shields got them absolutely nothing. I somewhat morbidly wish it had been sooner, like right when they walked out of the bank or something. I don’t mean the police should go in with the explicit goal of shooting indiscriminately, but definitely show them that a human shield isnt going to buy them anything. This is a case where the criminals are exactly 100% responsible for the death of the hostage, even if they find it was police bullets that killed them.

    1. avatar Gunr says:

      Saw a movie a couple of years ago where the cops shot the hostage, in the leg, I think. This was to keep the bad guys from using her as a hostage. Not much of a hostage if you have to drag the person around to make your get a way. Hard way to go, but it worked, and the hostage survived.

    2. avatar tdiinva says:

      Excellent point and what I meant by the “Star Trek Wrath of Khan” quote above. Why does HAMAS use human shields? Because western rules of engagement, now enshrined in international law, make it difficult to engage them when the place rocket launchers in very public venues because of the fear of collateral damage. In the end it puts far more lives at risk than simply bombing the apartment complex in the first place when they place rocket launchers in the center courtyard.

    3. avatar John in Ohio says:

      This is a case where the criminals are exactly 100% responsible for the death of the hostage, even if they find it was police bullets that killed them.

      Government disarming citizens and a bank that requires its customer’s and employees to be disarmed share in culpability. Disarming someone ethically and morally obligates a share of responsibility for the reasonable safety of that someone. Employees working with large sums of money and customers carrying sums of money/in the establishment with large sums of money ought not be deprived their right to bear arms.

      IDK the details as of yet but if law enforcement touched off the firefights when there was a reasonable alternative then they helped kill a woman over money. Again, I don’t know the details so…

      This is a situation where the public’s bearing of long arms could’ve not only acted as deterrent but also might have helped stop the situation earlier. The People have the real potential to out-gun criminals; ordinary and agents of government. The People have the right to keep and bear arms.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Bank robbers rob banks in states where the right to carry remains unabridged. Armed customers might have indeed stopped the robbery but they could of also shot bystanders as well. In any chaotic situation where bulets are flying willy nilly a persom may become an unintended casualty.

        1. avatar John in Ohio says:

          I didn’t claim that innocent bystanders or hostages couldn’t be unintentionally shot. You are adding things that aren’t in my comment.

          Where government doesn’t disarm the People, government doesn’t share in that part of culpability for such a situation. Where banks don’t disarm employees and customers, that bank doesn’t share in that part of culpability for such a situation. My comment was clear and simple; making no added claims beyond what it states in plain language.

  33. Oh look…a story on police stopping armed robbers turns into yet another cop bash-fest.

    What a surprise.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Oh look…a story on police from at least four jurisdictions with supporting air and armor executing armed robbers and their hostage turns into yet another cop bash-fest.

      FIFY, Sparky.

      1. avatar DaveL says:

        All available information points to the robbers being armed and shooting at police at the time they were shot. We can safely put aside the “execution” label at this point.

    2. avatar SGC says:

      Keyboard commandos and arm chair internet quarterbacks have to have sometime to type about, don’t they? Based upon the true and complete reporting of the main stream media, and the riveting commentary of amateur videographers…we have plenty of solid information to base our opinions on here. And after all, our opinions have to be much more accurate than the perceptions of the people who actually lived through the incident don’t they? Surely any one of us could have formulated a much better response to that incident in progress at the time it was happening. We could have captured those dastardly miscreants single handed, rescued the hostages, and made it home in time for tea. C’mon, it’s fun to hate on pigs…join in!

  34. avatar savaze says:

    Welcome to Stockton California, where watching police and gang bangers shoot at each other is an everyday occurrence!

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      True. Today they are reported as being Nortenos.

  35. avatar Ralph says:

    I’m sorry that all the hostages didn’t make it home safely.

  36. avatar Scrubula says:

    Judging by the sound in the second video (you have to open it in a new window) this is what I think happened. The robbers and the last hostage were in the car. Somehow the car was stopped, the back wheel was probably shot out. Then, the 30+ police officers surrounding it pumped the car full of bullets, killing the 3rd hostage and the last of the bank robbers.
    Can’t see any other way for that to go down.

  37. avatar EATENG says:

    An article about armed robbers who took hostages and shot at police garnered just about zero comments expressing outrage at the criminals and their actions and instead only generated criticisms of the police or conspiracy theories about fast and furious.

  38. avatar JW says:

    Lesson learned. Always go to your bank armed.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Be at all times armed; always.

  39. avatar BunnyBunny says:

    These idiots who blame the police for criminals’ actions baffles me.

  40. avatar Raul Ybarra says:

    So, sub-standard magazine capacity and bullet buttons didn’t help?

  41. avatar S.CROCK says:

    You guys gotta give the cops credit. ca cops are improving. A year or so ago they were riddling vehicles with bullets and it was only newspaper delivery women. Now when they are shooting at innocent people in vehicles there is a bad guy behind the innocent victim.

  42. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

    This one really defies the statistics. It reinforces the idea that regardless of what usually happens, ultimately the dangerous situation you find yourself in is unique and requires of you a unique response.

    Generally speaking, bank robberies are usually injury-free. The more robbers there are working together, and the more deadly their weapons (if any), the more organized they’re likely to be; in it strictly and efficiently for the money and not to hurt anyone. Moreover, if any injuries/fatalities do occur, it’s most likely to be the robbers themselves injured/killed and to take place away from the bank during the getaway.

    This one is definitely an extreme exception and one to keep in mind if you ever find yourself, armed, in the midst of an armed bank robbery.

  43. avatar Mark N. says:

    These guys went out shooting. News today says that there are 14 police cars that were shot up. Hundreds of rounds fired. No one has said yet how many houses. Or who shot them.

  44. avatar Dawg says:

    Are the robbers illegal alien gangsters that Obummer lets into the country. Is that stupid fool responsible for the murder and robbery here tooo

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