Quote of the Day: That’s Just Crazy Talk Edition

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“If government can’t protect us, let them give us guns.” – Resident of Chibok, Nigeria in ‘Nigeria’s Boko Haram crisis reaches deadliest phase’ [at bbc.com]

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  1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    The “let” part is your problem… Not the protection part.

    If the gov’t can “let”, they can also “un-let.”

    So, I say, let it not be the government’s decision.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      I think your reading of “let” as a type of permission is erroneous. It’s just a different type of sentence construction. It’s older, commonly seen in biblical passages, like “Let all Christian men rejoice.” That is not a pleading that someone should let them rejoice, it is a command that they should do so. We would be more likely to write that sentence as “If they cannot protect us, then they should give us guns.”

      1. avatar DonS says:

        Or, perhaps more familiarly: “Let them eat cake”. It has nothing to do with “permission”, but suggests a course of action.

        The construct is still quite common; e.g. when I say to my brother “let’s go shooting”, I’m not asking for permission.

        1. avatar SpeleoFool says:

          Aren’t you still kind of asking permission from Murphy? 😉

      2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        Yes, I see that now.

  2. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    Helll, why can’t Gloomberg send his personal security team? It’s for the children(TM)

    1. avatar Jay1987 says:

      what and be like the rest of the “poor unwashed shmucks” he disarmed for their own good in NYC? Surely you jest.

  3. avatar DaveL says:

    I’m sorry, but that image just p*sses me off. These are people being actively preyed upon by large bands of outlaws armed with AK-47s, and here they are with flintlock muzzle-loaders and some sorry-*ssed homemade bows? It’s an atrocity.

    1. avatar GoodGuyWithAGun says:

      it’s fine, it looks like the guy that has the 12 gauge with the bent barrel has their backs

    2. avatar P.M.Lawrence says:

      Those probably aren’t flintlock muzzle-loaders. The tradition in those parts is “Dane guns”, a term that harks back to the trade goods provided by the Danes in the 18th and 19th centuries; those were nearly state of the art but of poor workmanship, i.e. they worked just long enough before failing, sometimes catastrophically, which was all the traders needed. Sometimes those guns were caplock muzzle-loaders and sometimes they were single shot breechloaders; after the Danes were bought out by the British and stopped coming, the locals themselves could and did make weapons of similar quality.

    3. avatar Fler says:

      Imagine what they’d think of Americans who have state-of-the-art tools and who do nothing (except for tweet and blog, begging for their “rights”), while they have the spirit to make do with what they have.

      1. avatar Rambeast says:

        Americans aren’t being preyed upon by armed groups, kidnapped, beaten, and killed…oh wait.

        1. avatar Fler says:

          You seem to be the only one who gets it. +5 Internets.

      2. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

        I still think we need to send American volunteers over there to help fight back the savages who are murdering the innocents in a simple quest for power.

        Is there any law, international, Nigerian, or American, that would prevent such a volunteer force from deploying?

        1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          You first.

        2. avatar DaveL says:

          Unless you happen to have a Nigerian firearm license, for some reason, I think you’re pretty much SOL.

        3. avatar John in Ohio says:

          Some went to Chechnya during their first war(?) with Russia. At one point many Americans were showing up to fight and they were asking Americans to stay home because they didn’t even have enough food for their own fighters, IIRC. I’m not sure how that would happen in this post 9/11 America.

          I would have no problem with private individuals helping in the fight and funnelling private arms to help the people of Nigeria. But, I can’t see that happening today with the government we now have.

        4. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Oh, you could go over without too much trouble, I’m sure. But good luck coming back to the US. You would be on more lists than the Publisher’s Clearing House has.

      3. avatar DaveL says:

        They’d probably say “Of course nobody preys on them; they’re armed to the teeth!”

  4. avatar James says:

    Maybe the should pretend to be of the Muslim Brotherhood or Mexican drug cartels, then the Obama regime would give them guns.

  5. avatar Hannibal says:

    Not bad trigger discipline…

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Also string discipline.

    2. avatar Stinkeye says:

      Yeah, but dude in the black T-shirt could improve his muzzle discipline somewhat.

  6. avatar elder says:

    They just need the Machinegun Preacher to help them out…

    Great movie, even if it was stretching the real events.

  7. avatar DerryM says:

    This is pitifully sad.

  8. avatar Rob Aught says:

    But what about the whole hashtag campaign? Are you telling me that hasn’t been working? Somebody get Michelle Obama to do some more pouty faces holding a sign stat!

    1. avatar DerryM says:

      Maybe that sign should read.”Arm your people, Goodluck Jonathan!” #Nigeriansdefendyourselves”. She can still do the pouty face if she wants.

  9. avatar launchpadmech says:

    They are acting out of fear. They need to build pits like Vietnam.

    1. avatar lolinski says:

      Yep, punji stakes and whip traps are effective. Also, don’t underestimate bows.

      Sad that they don’t have access to better guns, makes me think about all the SKS’ and the SVTs that can be bought for as little as 200-300 in Canada.

  10. avatar Jack Brown says:

    The anti-gun goon squad over here can’t seem to get their heads around the idea that tyranny comes in all shapes and sizes.

  11. avatar launchpadmech says:

    You are so right!

  12. avatar Clem says:

    Is that flintlock missing a frizzen and a pan?

  13. avatar GuyFromV says:

    I can tell you when these guys do get access to real guns the other guys are in trouble.

  14. avatar BradN says:

    Maybe we could somehow set up a firearms and ammo donation? Could this feasibly be done? Or are they just flat out “not allowed” to own weapons?

    1. avatar DaveL says:

      A short summary of Nigerian gun laws:

      – Nobody may own anything that isn’t a muzzle-loader or “Dane gun” (see above) without a license. Licenses can be denied for any reason or no reason at all.

      – If the local Governor and Police Commissioner so decide, people of their state may not even own muzzle-loaders without a license. The muzzleloader license is the only license that cannot (in theory) be denied for no reason.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        So Boko Haram broke the law? Arrest them all!

  15. avatar Former Water Walker says:

    Wow bows & arrows. Do people realize Hernando Cortez conquered millions of Indians with nothing more than matchlocks, pikes and scary horses? Throw in disease, hatred of the human sacrificing aztecs and presto…326 Spanish conquistadors win. I do agree with the Vietnam tactics-whatever it takes.

    1. avatar R Shackleford says:

      Pocket smallpox

      “Shi-shi-shi-shaa-haa”

  16. avatar Evan in Dallas says:

    I would bet that they could at least take a few ak-47s from dead enemy combatants with this loadout and some good planning. Not ideal but possible. Then whatever weapons they obtain could be hidden away until they were needed as many of the Mexican civilians did.

  17. avatar John in Ohio says:

    The photo is missing the “Stand Strong CT” sign.

    Seriously though, thank you TTAG for posting these stories. I wrote to a local station that did a small segment on Nigeria and begged the question, “What can be done?” I included links and outlined what could be done, why it’s immoral for government to disarm their own people and why it’s dangerous for the people to allow infringement on their natural right to keep and bear arms. I didn’t get any response whatsoever and, as far as I know, they didn’t do another segment on the subject again.

    It’s a pity that private citizens cannot use their own money and send arms. They apparently need them badly right now.

  18. avatar sacorey says:

    Why not start a kickstarter campaign to protect the nigerian children or whomever, take the money, go to corrupt neighbouring country, esablish contacts with anti boko haram groups, pay your taxes(bribes) call norinco (the amazon of weapons to the third world) place order to outfit your “security detail” protecting your “aid workers” and wage a small war, maybe become a warlord or despot yourself

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