The “debate” with Eliot Fineman, CEO National Gun Victims Counsel, starts at 34:53. I put the word in quotes because this conversational confrontation was more a case of dueling polemics rather than dialogue or debate. Even so, I hope I was able to defend and extend the pro-gun side against Fineman’s wall o’ words. It would be great to have a proper debate with a proponent of civilian disarmament with a moderator enforcing an agreed format. Otherwise, talking to gun grabbers is like herding cats. With a blindfold on.