Incendiary Image of the Day: British Police Are Unarmed Edition

Officer Carol Howard (courtesy standard.co.uk)

U.S. gun control advocates support the Second Amendment, but – they’d like to see all Americans disarmed. America would then becomes as “immune” to gun violence as the U.K. We’ve debunked that apples-to-oranges idea many times. Suffice it to say, the antis cite the “fact” that “British police don’t carry guns” as part of their anti-American anti-gun agitprop. Well guess what? They do. Carol Howard [above] is a firearms officer of the Metropolitan Police’s Diplomatic Protection Group. Armed Brit cops also patrol The City, airports and other sensitive locations. As for the riff-raff, armed response units are just minutes away (when seconds count). So is this image of a tooled-up Brit cop incendiary to the antis? Maybe not. And that’s scary.

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  1. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    Nice looking gal and her guns.
    To bad the rules don’t apply to everyone.

    1. Back when I had an FFL, I purchased a couple of dozen S&W model 10s that were London Police surplus. Carried a good bit and shot little. Very nice revolvers. I believe I averaged about a hundred each. They had British proof marks and what appeared to be an armourer’s number stamped on the frame.

    2. avatar John says:

      I fully agree, if they want to apply rules to the public the police should follow suit. They want us to have “smart guns” the military and the police should be carrying them to.

    3. avatar DV says:

      Length of pull looks to be an issue with her set up

  2. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    I’ve met the ones in the bowels of heathrow.
    Yes, they are armed.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      You can’t say Heathrow without the accent, “Eh-Throw.”

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        Ha! My bad. Forgot the cockney accent.

      2. avatar Timmeehh says:

        That should be “Eef-row”.

        1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          Damn, the “f” sound, I forgot about that.

          Good call!

  3. avatar the ruester says:

    There is a theme that I have noticed in my interactions with British immigrants. The women are tougher than the men. There, I said it.

    1. avatar Evan in Dallas says:

      I read somewhere that some British officer back at the turn of the century(early 1900s) made a comment about what a shame it was they were decreasing the power of the .455 webley cartridge because it was to uncontrollable for most troops to handle. He questioned where all the men had gone in the British empire.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        ruester, Millions of their best young men dead in their colonial wars, WW I and WW II might have some impact on that toughness point.

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          yep. This is even more pronounced among the french who lost generations of young men in the two world wars. They went from the most powerful and well-respected land army in the world to… well, you know… in only a few decades.

        2. avatar Matthew says:

          Cheese eatin’ surrender monkeys!

  4. avatar Ralph says:

    She needs a bit more gear to compete with her American comrades. May I suggest tacticool gloves, face mask, helmet, visor, knee-elbow-shin protection and some Dog-B-Gone (for when an overdose of 9mm proves ineffective). And an MRAP.

    1. avatar BDub says:

      You forgot the door-breaching equipment for the no-knock safety inspections.

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        Ghillie suit

    2. avatar ropingdown says:

      …and she’d rightly reply, “what kind of pus_y do you think I am?”

      1. avatar Matthew says:

        You are what you eat…

        1. avatar ropingdown says:

          You’re supposed to be the opposite of what you eat. True, there is that three percent who are what they eat, but I consider that cannibalism, if somewhat captivating in a video with high production values.

    3. avatar Michael says:

      Who needs a MRAP, we have armoured Landrovers old chap

    4. avatar Jeremy says:

      But the tacticool gloves would cover that stylish hand tattoo.

      1. avatar Nigil says:

        Perish the thought, sir.
        I’d like to cover her tattoo, though, if you catch my drift.

    5. avatar Another Robert says:

      Truthfully, I might like to see her in a little less gear…

  5. avatar Gordon Freeman says:

    If the fact that British cops don’t carry guns is supposed to be evidence that gun control has worked in the U.K., then how come very few (if any) gun control advocates here in the U.S. advocate disarming cops? Also, I’ve never heard Piers Morgan point this fact out.

    1. avatar Ken Hagler says:

      It’s not supposed to be. Just the opposite, if anything. British cops were unarmed because they were expected to call on ordinary citizens around them who _would_ be armed, if a situation arose that required guns. That hasn’t been an option for some time, of course, but when the modern police force was invented by Sir Robert Peele in the 18th century, the British people were very well armed. The whole anti-gun thing in the UK didn’t start until around WWI, when the ruling class became afraid of a Communist revolution and wanted to disarm the riffraff. Over time that expanded to everybody, just as gun control in the US expanded from Black people to everybody.

      1. avatar ropingdown says:

        That’s exactly right. And the trench warfare of WWI fostered a peacenik movement. Until last year there was an old women still alive who lead the movement. Unfortunately I heard she was stabbed and bludgeoned to death by some YOB on her local High Street.

  6. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    1) I would love to know story behind hand tats

    2) She is frickin’ hot

    3) Shannon who?

    1. avatar Jan says:

      Is this the end of Shannon and the beginning of Carol Howard fascination for you? Soon we will see TTAG and Mr Diggler on the pages of British print.

      1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

        She is (a) hotter and (b) into guns. What is there not to love?? But don’t worry – Shannon won’t get off that easy. Unless she wants to. Grrrrr. 🙂

        1. avatar ropingdown says:

          Jane Dirk, you filthy slut!

        2. avatar ropingdown says:

          Sorry, it was Jane Dirk, you ignorant slut! –SNL in its heyday, yet still, apropos.

        3. avatar ropingdown says:

          “Well didja ever have to make up your mind, to pick up on one and leave the other behind,
          Did you ever have to finally decide?”

    2. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

      I dear I didn’t want to call Dirk out by name, but there ya go!!!

      1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

        Just don’t say his name 3 times in a row and we’ll be good. 😛

        1. avatar jwm says:

          Ya hafta be looking in a mirror when you say his name 3 times.

        2. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

          you have to have the right mood music on when you say my name. . . . .

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjcZA20neQE

          G UNIT !!!

        3. avatar lolinski says:

          Respect. Didn’t know you were like that. Do you drive a lowrider?

    3. avatar slicer87 says:

      Her being a tool of oppression makes her not hot in my view. Walking around with more powerful weapons her fellow countrymen and countrywomen are not allowed to bear. Heck most people in the so called land of the free with the right to bare arms are not allowed to own such weapons without jumping through many legal loops and big bucks. Why do the Bobbies need so much overwhelming firepower over their fellow subjects?

      Also that MP5 seems really out of scale, probably used the wrong lense or touched up the photo to make the SMG bigger.

    4. avatar Martin B says:

      Looks like the type of henna temporary tattoo applied to Indian women, and fashionable with hippies et al.

  7. avatar Daily Beatings says:

    Here’s the reason between the difference in the murder rate:

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/02/25/note-to-piers-morgan-guns-are-strange-bu

    Guess what? Guns are not the issue.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      The US has a higher murder rate than the UK because Detroit, Chicago, Baltimurder, Memphis and Philadelphia are in the US.

      1. avatar ropingdown says:

        …and New Orleans. But really, there’s no informative information in the assertion. Really.

      2. avatar lolinski says:

        Not really, since the US doesn’t have a higher murder rate than the UK.

    2. avatar Ing says:

      Thanks for the link. I’m going to point people to that article whenever I get a chance. I don’t think this guy got to the real reason behind the difference in homcide rates (it’s probably not possible anyway), but on the gun control part he’s got it nailed.

      “Gun control advocates of the British variety don’t like to point out that gun control in the U.K. did not reduce the number of murders.” That and the homicide rate graph say it all.

  8. avatar Paul G. says:

    Pistol caliber carbine? No wonder nobody takes the Brits seriously.

    1. avatar Salty Bear says:

      Don’t think of it as a pistol-caliber carbine. Think of it as a select-fire handgun with a stock and a 30-round mag. Now who could pass up one of those!

      1. avatar Michael says:

        Many UK Police departments are buying G36, H&K416s, sig and Styer rifles. And the MOD Police have H&K MP7s.

  9. avatar Tommy Knocker says:

    Everyone keeps forgetting Northern Ireland. Its such an inconvenient truth LOL.

    Just Google for some images…

    http://emu.edu/now/peacebuilder/files/2009/07/northern-ireland-drumcree-police.jpg

    1. avatar C says:

      That’s going in my phone for quick rebuttals.

  10. avatar jimmyjames says:

    Yep…last time I was in Heathrow, 2 heavily armed and armored brits with HK MP5’s at the entrance to the Airlingus concourse.

    1. avatar Michael says:

      Last time I was at Heathrow, the Policeman all had an escort of a Paratrooper with a SA80 held at the ready.

  11. avatar Randy Drescher says:

    Hey, she has a cell phone. That way they can talk to you as you are being carved up by jolly proper knife wielding perps. Those Europeans, they sure are sophisticated.

    1. avatar pod says:

      It’s actually a police radio. They use a service/band over there called TETRA. TErrestrial Trunked RAdio.
      It’s a digital system and the handsets are similar to old-style cell phones. In some cases they actually can be automatically patched into the civilian cell network, so the handset can double as a cell phone. It’s kind of a mishmash of a police radio, Nextel, and old-style (voice/text/low speed data) cell phone. Nokia was/is a huge supplier of devices.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TETRA

  12. avatar Hugh Glass says:

    at least she’s got her EOTech on right.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      USA, USA, USA. ‘Murica. Damned, I love me some EOTech.

    2. avatar ropingdown says:

      …Horrorshow, oh my droogs, that the millicent ptitsa kopat the EO on her pooshka.

      1. avatar 1700 Somewhere says:

        Ftw!

  13. avatar Jack says:

    I’d imagine it takes her a long time to get ready in the morning.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      It takes her even longer to get ready for the evening.

  14. avatar JaxD says:

    The hat and expression are rather Clockwork Orange.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      Modern Britain is rather Clockwork Orange. I suppose that’s why he wrote it.

      1. avatar JaxD says:

        He published it in 1962. It’s been a 50+ year slide downward since then.

    2. avatar Jack says:

      The outfit does look a little silly without the codpiece and the eyeball cuff.

      1. avatar JaxD says:

        But a bit of the old ultra violence is real.

        1. avatar Tommy Knocker says:

          Many moons ago I worked with a fellow officer who was classified by HR as “ultra violent”. He seemed like a nice guy to me LOL….

  15. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

    Anyone else wonder why bother with a pistol-caliber SMG that is the size of a rifle-caliber carbine? That thing is huge. Or maybe she’s just exceedingly miniature.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      Intimidation potential? Or maybe just compensation.

    2. avatar AmericanSpirit says:

      That’s an MP5, amirite? Not that I’ve held one, but if she’s my size then the thing has gotta weigh like ~30lbs and be 36inches long. I’ll use the EOTech for scale instead, and I’m guessing that she’s kinda tiny.

      But apparently she didn’t have a problem with the guns used for firearms qualification being “too big”.

      1. avatar slicer87 says:

        The longest version of the MP5 is 31 inches and the heaviest version is 7.5 lb.

      2. avatar Larry says:

        A shilling says she’s just a model, who’d join a PD who looked like that?

  16. avatar lolinski says:

    A checkered hat band? + a Glock? What about a white (reflective) hat band and a classy BHP or CZ.

    You might as well shoot me, since that would be easier to digest than their sense of fashion. Not meant to be an attack, but I just got my thoughts about British classiness shattered (and I have some form if fashion sense, sadly).

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      A derby and a tie? Our LEO’s should dress so well!

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Give her a cane and she’s Bat Masterson.

  17. avatar Hinshelworld says:

    MP5… how old fashioned.

  18. avatar fuque says:

    They really gotta ditch the checkered cab look… But Shes hot.. Im liking the hand tat

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      I deciphered the hand tat. It says “grab nuts and squeeze.”

  19. avatar Salty Bear says:

    The true indicator that the UK isn’t a gun-free paradise isn’t that the cops carry guns….

    … it’s that even when they don’t carry guns, they still always wear their body armor.

  20. avatar Curious says:

    I thought she looked Steam Punk. She just needs a bit ‘O lace and a few brass accents to finish the ensemble.

    1. avatar Larry says:

      I bet the lace is there, just hidden.

  21. avatar Maineuh says:

    How conflicted would Piers Morgan be over THIS lass?

    1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

      I had always assumed he tought girls were icky too.

      1. avatar Maineuh says:

        Guns and girls. Just bad news all over the place.

  22. avatar Sixpack70 says:

    I still like this video from Billy Johnson that discusses crime in England and Wales.

  23. avatar T says:

    She’s fine as hell (H&K MP5) and so is the woman!

  24. avatar Gunr says:

    She’d look fine in a checkered mini skirt, to go with the hat, and tie!

  25. avatar former water walker says:

    YES…too bad Lee Pace didn’t have a gun to stop 2 “terrorists” from BEHEADING HIM. Yeah I know he was soldier & not a cop. NO DEATH PENALTY IN GB.

  26. avatar seans says:

    Its good to see its just not the USA who can’t wear a drop leg holster right.

  27. avatar Another Robert says:

    I’d say that pic is pretty incendiary–but not necessarily because of the firearms…

  28. avatar Zebulon Pike says:

    Obviously she’s compensating for her small penis.

    1. avatar jwm says:

      What, she’s dating Piers Morgan?

      1. avatar ropingdown says:

        Not THAT small, jwm!

  29. avatar JW says:

    “Sensitive Areas” = where the aristocracy and elite live and work. When I was there in 2011, two weeks after the riots that left many middle class neighborhoods in ruins, the bobbies were working three man fire teams, but only around Buckingham Palace and White Hall. By contrast, the French had Three man fire teams (of military) patrolling the train stations. Hmmm, wonder why I felt safer in Paris?

  30. avatar Pete Stokes says:

    Psst! I know you guys know everything, but here goes:

    1. Most Brit cops wear anti-stab body armour NOT anti-ballistic. The two are not the same.

    2. Reliance on stupid 9mm machine pistols (which we all know are weaker than a babies grip), is primairily because Brit authorities don’t want cops going full rock and roll with high powered military weapons in urban environments.

    I for one think it’s refreshing that at least one country is trying to keep a distinction (albeit small) between the military and law enforcement… Unlike other countries I could name.

    1. avatar seans says:

      You can have a soft armor vest that is both stab and bullet proof. They are not exclusive.

    2. avatar Fuque says:

      Why on earth would they need anything but Anti-stab vests??..

  31. avatar H.R. says:

    Yep, she’s incendiary alright.

  32. avatar Jacen says:

    The problem with the UK police force is they have police that are armed and those who aren’t. In America, ALL cops are armed. Every cop is a “Firearms officer”

  33. avatar Grumpy in Kali says:

    OMG! Openly displayed visible tattoos!!!!

  34. avatar Jim says:

    I lived in London for a while. On more than one occasion I watched unarmed patrol cops disappear for a couple minutes and reappear in full tactical with MP5s almost without notice when there was an alert of some type. Always blew my mind how quick they would do it.

    1. avatar lolinski says:

      Transbobbies.

      Cops in disguise!

      PS: In the UK they call police for “bobby” or “bobbies”, which does sound similar to “boobies” I will admit.

      1. avatar Martin B says:

        Nickname courtesy of Sir Robert Peel, who created the first police force in London.

  35. No idea why anyone puts a clunky Eotech on a weapon when the Aimpoint Micro T1 is available.

    1. avatar H.R. says:

      The Eotech is already paid for.

    2. avatar ropingdown says:

      It is true that an EOTech appears clunky compared to a T1 Micro or Aimpoint Hunter. The advantage of the EOTech is, of course, that it provides a bigger eye-box, greater accuracy at speed when the shooter (not just the target) is moving, increased probability that you will get a reticle image when used in wet snow or rain, and better visual projection of the reticle onto the target plain.

      Clunky-looking really doesn’t matter once the shooting starts. Ask Osama.

  36. avatar TheSleeperHasAwakened says:

    Nice hand tattoo…..is that a Brit Gangbanger or a Brit Cop?

    Is there a difference?

  37. avatar Martin B says:

    Sigh. We have unarmed Policepersons as well in New Zealand. They are rarely seen outside of their patrol cars, which focus mainly on imposing swingeing traffic fines. I get to see them at the supermarket, which is across the road from the Police station. There are some very stunning female officers.

    In years past there were foot patrols, which focused on preventing street crime. Today the gangs own the streets. Muggers and purse snatchers are rife.

    Police can access Glocks or Bushmaster .223s, or even Remington .308 sniper rifles. They are seldom used unless an active crime scene is in play, or if they are hunting someone holding a slug pistol (or plastic toy replica).

    The high number of false prosecutions which are overturned after many years of imprisonment, has reduced the respect held for Police. They no longer earn public esteem through pedestrian patrols. Cost cutting has hit here as well.

    1. avatar Martin B says:

      I should add that whenever Police are seen in numbers, it is invariably to deal with the huge number of drunken and out of control youths late at night. This is a product of our politicians being bought and sold via electoral bribes by the powerful liquor industry, which results in our hospitals being overwhelmed and our annual budgets being raped by the liquor barons. Existing laws are ineffective in dealing with this problem.

      1. avatar the ruester says:

        Just watch that first step; it’s slippery!
        -Uncle Sam

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