Too Much Rail? Russian PP-19 ‘Bizon 2’ Hearts Picatinny – Big Time

In Russia, rail rides you! This ‘Bizon-2’ subgun has a more extensive rail network than the entire United Kingdom. Never heard of the PP-19 Bizon before? You’re not alone . . .

The ‘Bison’ was first developed in the early 1990s from the Kalashnikov platform of the AKS-74. The PP-19 is a true Kalashnikov design, and not just a knockoff, since it was actually developed by Mikhail’s son Viktor Kalashnikov.

Unlike the AKS-74, the Bizon is a true subgun. It was originally chambered in 9×18 Makarov, and has also been offered in 9X19, .380 ACP (huh?) and 7.62 Tokarev.

This video shows perhaps its most interesting feature, a 64-round helical drum magazine reminiscent of the Calico pistols and carbines of the late 1980s. Modern versions utilize twin 32-round detachable box magazines like those shown at the top of the article.

The Bizon has not, to my knowledge, been imported for civilian sale in the United States. It would be pretty neat to own Russia’s home-grown counterpart to the H&K MP5, but we probably never will.

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  1. avatar Vhyrus says:

    picatinny is SO last season! It’s all about the keymod now.

  2. avatar C says:

    First exposure to this was in Far Cry 3. Pretty decent game for guns.

    1. avatar S.CROCK says:

      ya same here. not to sound like an immature nerd but i have only heard of the bison through video games.

    2. avatar Azman says:

      Decent game for guns…unless you have any real life experience with them.
      They pissed me off with how difficult it was to use them. And an ultimak 100 (minus stock) somehow outclasses a damned PKM in potential damage?

      1. avatar lolinski says:

        And a Dragunov with 5 rd mags and no suppressor attachment. And dont get me started on how you can’t mod the 1911 and AK(it even has the rail).

        I didn’t care much because I mainly used the flare gun.

        1. avatar C says:

          there is a suppressed 1911 but it’s one of those signature weapons, or whatever they call them. I never used anything which i could not suppress.

          It’s still leaps and bounds more realistic than call of duty.

  3. avatar jwm says:

    7.62×25. Awesome. And in an AK platform. Double awsome. Shits and Giggles would be the order of the day. That’s a range toy I’d like.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      I wish more weapons were chambered in 7.62×25, it’s a neat round.

      1. avatar VSN says:

        I wish more ammo were available in that round so I could justify buying a firearm chambered in it.

        1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          Chicken or the egg, gun or the ammo?

        2. avatar sean says:

          I finally ran out of the ammo in the spam cans I bought ages ago with my CZ-52. Hard to find affordable ammo to shoot in it now.

      2. avatar Christian says:

        Seconded. The tokarev round has speed, penetration, and high capacity. Still don’t understand why we don’t have any double stack pistols for this round.

        1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

          Me too neither.

          ‘Course, it’s a Russian thing, so maybe noone else wants to build a firearm around it.

          Pity, though; at the high end, it’s as powerful as a low-to-medium .357 magnum, which is one reason why I just love my TT-33.

        2. avatar philthegardner says:

          I, for one, have had this somewhat perverse desire to see the 7.62×25 round offered in an MP-44 clone. But yes, a double stack pistol in that chambering would be awesome. Heck, I would even welcome a hi-cap 1911 as a natural progression to the Tokarev. After all, they were, more or less attributable to the same man.

      3. avatar Michael says:

        I agree. I would like a modern high capacity polymer pistol with rail in 7.62×25. Also a carbine, maybe an inexpensive Bullpup

        1. avatar lolinski says:

          A CZ SP-01 in 7.62 Tokarev with 20 round mags would be a dream.

          Too bad the only way to shoot that caliber in Norway is if you reload (or import ammo).

    2. avatar Andrew says:

      Have you seen how much 7.62×25 giggles cost these days?

      More than Unicorn Farts…

  4. avatar S_J says:

    I wonder why the drum mag was ditched. It looked more compact than that 32-rounder along with having double the capacity. TTAG reviewed the Calico and reported problems with its helical drum so maybe a mag design like that is just not sufficiently soldier-proof.

    1. avatar GeeSmith 2 says:

      It may be that using the helical mag preempted using a vertical foregrip/flashlight combo or something similar.

    2. avatar jwm says:

      Flat pan feed magazines, drum mags, helical mags, hopper feed all seem to be more complicated and prone to problems than plain old stick mags. If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it.

    3. avatar Mav says:

      Firstly, the magazines fail a lot more. Helical springs get jammed out and wear quickly. They are also a lot harder to load as the mag gets.

      I think the biggest was how hard it was to keep them on your person in a mag carrier. In the space that one 64 round mag takes up, you could fit 3 30 round mags. They’re just, for lack of a better phrase, less dense.

  5. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    “.380 ACP (huh?)”

    It means Automatic Colt Pistol, and you’re welcome.

    1. avatar Dave says:

      I think he was asking why they would make a subgun in .380 ACP.

      1. avatar S_J says:

        The Škorpion VZ.61 and Mac-11 were both available in .380 ACP but they were much more compact than the Bizon.

      2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        But, it’s not made in .380 ACP, it’s made in Russia…

        1. avatar JaxD says:

          Stop it, you’ll give ’em brain pain.

      3. avatar chinaman says:

        380acp subgun is for private security use. In russia they do not allow private security to use guns of biggers caliber, than .380

  6. avatar Christl says:

    Source of the pic and who makes that rail-system? It’s look nice 🙂

    1. avatar Dave says:

      I’m going to guess Russia and Mother Russia.

  7. avatar Ralph says:

    My first set of Lionel electric trains had less railage than this Russian tragedy.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      My step-mother sold of my mega-Lionel set while I was at my mother’s for the summer. The lesson was worth more than two years of college, and I thanked her for it. Briefly.

  8. avatar Lance says:

    I Don’t think that’s a PP-19 that ay be a Grozna SMG. I do love the Bison wish they make a PCC in 9x18mm and be fun to use for 3 gun matches. but no importation yet.

  9. avatar Ned Brubeck says:

    Way too much rail.

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Clearly you don’t operate…

  10. avatar GeeSmith 2 says:

    I’d toss me dear old mum to the piranhas for a Bizon in any caliber.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Your mum would be fine, if she can swim. Piranhas are pussycats, from what I’ve read recently.

      1. avatar GeeSmith2 says:

        So it’d be a win-win for everyone!

  11. avatar Excedrine says:

    Nah. Need moar. Lots moar. Make it full-on, full-retard tacti-cool.

  12. avatar Dave says:

    I don’t think it’s too much. Seems like a pretty “standard” amount.

    1. avatar Jeff says:

      I’d agree, looks like less than the average clownish looking AR

    2. avatar ropingdown says:

      The standard amount of rail today reminds me of the time Standard Oil Company gave free oil lamps to Chinese peasants. “Got to fill up my rails!” “Well of course you do, Joe.”

    3. avatar DV says:

      Top rails blocking the front sight. And wheres the read sight? I think thats the face the russian operator is making: “how the f do I aim this pos?”

      1. avatar brainman says:

        He’s so operator that he doesn’t need sights.

  13. avatar Jeff says:

    Izhmash has stated severa times that they would export the PP-19 to the US as a 9mm Saiga model, with 16″ barrel, but nothing has come of it yet.

    You guys even reported on it once: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/foghorn/coming-soon-from-izmash-saiga-9mm-carbine/

  14. avatar Model 31 says:

    Look at the eyes. Is that Putin operating?

    1. avatar Gyufygy says:

      Didn’t you hear? The Russian government has declared that “operating” shall now be called “Putining”.

      Also, Putinors are required to Putin bare chested.

      FOR THE MOTHERLAND!

    2. avatar S.CROCK says:

      it actually does look a little like Putin.

      1. avatar Al says:

        He’s cloned himself!

    3. avatar ropingdown says:

      All of Russia is Putin operating. First Putin condemned homosexuality, and forbid the queens of Moscow from appearing in drag on pain of prison. Then four months later he publicly urged Russia not to remain behind the French with their Train à Grande Vitesse. So the bureaucrats quickly produced lots of high-speed low-drag rail. Is bureaucracy. Is normal.

    4. avatar William Burke says:

      He does have Vladdy’s eyes, it’s true.

  15. avatar S.CROCK says:

    i like how it has enough rails to start a freight train company but i only see iron sights. no fancy eotech or acog.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      Good observation. And Russian guys all want German or US weapons with actual Holosights and Zeiss Victory scopes. It’s like signs for porn stores. In NYC they say “Swedish Sex Shop!”. In Stockholm, Sweden, they say “New York Sex Shop!” The only thing in Russia that interests me is blond and has a built-in caviar plate.

  16. avatar Ronald Pottol says:

    I always thought that in a less restrictive world, an ultra high capacity full auto suppressed .25 or .32 would make an ideal home defense weapon. Say, 1200+ rounds per minute, and a 300 round magazine loaded with .25, a serial shotgun, basically. The helical magazine would be a way to get that capacity without absurd bulk.

    1. avatar lolinski says:

      Make it in .22 mag or .32 acp and you have a sale. I would go for .32 since it is subbsonic.

  17. avatar Richard says:

    I would love owen one.

  18. avatar El Mac says:

    Cute toy.

  19. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    Y’know, that looks like a respectable li’l machine. I’d own one, happily.

    The one in the vid looked a little less like an advert for rails.ru, too.

    I like it; it’s about as unpretentious as a 1970 Chevy truck.

    1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

      EDIT: The next vid in the chain is far more extensive, and includes footage with a very effective can.

      Mewants!

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        Yes, do watch! Really cool. Now THAT is a home defense gun, better than any SBR AR any day. And the can–all you hear is the action cycling. Awesome!

  20. avatar Hannibal says:

    Yo dawg, I herd you like picatinny rails so we put a rail in yo rail so you can aim while you aim!

  21. avatar Johannes says:

    First off, that’s not a Bizon, it’s a PP-19-01 Vityaz.

    Further more, the rails and stock are from Zenit, Russian makers of AK candy. http://zenitco.ru

  22. avatar DrVino says:

    ” It would be pretty neat to own Russia’s home-grown counterpart to the H&K MP5, but we probably never will.”

    SOMEBODY has never been to an AK build party…..

  23. avatar cam says:

    A ak pistol in 7.62×28 tok with 30+ round mags would be one hell of a set up

    1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

      25.

  24. avatar Ardent says:

    It seems to me that given the purpose of this weapon (PDW, CQB, Entry, EP etc) having rails everywhere anyone might wish to mount something is actually useful. If you like a light on the left, laser on the right and a holo-dot on top while I like a light on the bottom, laser on the right, vertical fore grip and a red dot with fold down iron back ups we can both be happy as can be with one of these.

    These aren’t really designed with plinking in mind and as such being configurable on a mission/operator need basis is a nice thing.

  25. avatar Toasty says:

    NEED MOAR RAILS.

  26. avatar JFP says:

    Has anyone mentioned yet that this thing has a lot of rails?

  27. avatar Phil says:

    I do not believe that is a pp 19 bizon. That my actually be the pp-19-01 vityaz, a submachine gun based on the aks-74u platform. according to world.guns.ru, the smg is chambered in both 9 mm parabellum and the russian 9×19 mm 7N21 armor piercing round.

  28. avatar Karina says:

    The hell do you mean, nobody heard of the Bizon? I’ve heard of it since the late 1990s… Also, I certify Phil is correct, it’s the Vityaz. The Bizon, while box mags were made for it, is typically not as rail covered as it is, and is usually fed with 9x18mm Mak 64-round helical magazines, though if I recall correctly, 7.62 Tok and 9×19 versions exist.

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