When Seconds Count, the Police Are Only An Hour-and-a-Half Away

While Mr. Quick's children hid, home invaders did what home invaders do. The police arrived an hour-and-a-half later. (courtesy wfsb.com)

“I got a call from my son very shaken up that someone in a strange vehicle was here,” Windham CT father Troy Quick told wfsb.com. “They were banging on the door.” “Quick said his two children, ages 12 and 14, ran for a bathroom, locked the door and dialed 911. Their dog, Chunk, tried to deter the intruders. ‘They heard him yelping so I assumed they kicked him and threw him down the stairs,’ Quick explained.The suspects kicked in the front door of the home and went from room to room, looking for items to steal. Quick said the children were not hurt and believes the thieves made off with jewelry, money and his son’s wallet. Now, he wants to know why it took police so long to get there.” And I’d like to know why he thought he could depend on the police to protect his boys. I reckon there’s some kind of correlation between Mr. Quick’s consternation and the Constitution State’s post-Newtown firearms and magazine registration laws. I just can’t put my finger on it . . .

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  1. avatar Scott says:

    It only took the police 30 minutes to arrive at Sootch00’s house when he called for assistance when he discovered his house was burglarized.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6KB7BmtBAE

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      Sootch00 was extremely lucky to have them get them there even that fast. The national average for police response times is 45 minutes.

      1. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

        I wonder what the average response time for a bank robbery is? Im betting its much faster.

      2. avatar Hinshelworld says:

        They’ve been under 5 min to my place last two times my alarm system went off.

        1. avatar JasonM says:

          And if the average is still 45 minutes nationally, imagine how slow they must be on the other end of the spectrum.

        2. avatar tommyr says:

          That is STILL too long. For me my guess is 5-10 minutes. NO WAY I am waiting that long. My shotgun will take care of it before they show up. I am NOT waiting. I suggest no one waits. 1 minute may be too long.

      3. avatar Hannibal says:

        Ok… response to what? An in-progress burglary call? That’s a pretty good priority. But maybe that guy who called about an unknown car being parked on his street for a couple hours can wait and that pushes up the ‘average’.

      4. avatar David says:

        According to the Wall Street Journal, national response times are 11 minutes (which is plenty of time for bad people to do bad things), whereas Detroit the average is 58 minutes

        http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323997004578642250518125898

        This seems about right. I supervise a grocery store in a shady neighborhood and have to call the cops far more often than the average person

    2. avatar Michael B. says:

      That video is all kinds of stupid. He tells everyone where his valuable stuff is hidden.

      1. avatar WI Dave says:

        I thought the exact same thing. Plus he has just given everyone the exact layout of his house.

        1. avatar FoRealz? says:

          OPSEC. He does not have some.

  2. avatar michael nieto says:

    I remember a story like this one frome Texas only with a better ending. Some crooks broke into a house with 2 kid in it and left with more holes than God gave them. if memory serves me right the 14 year old buy used his cop father’s ar to defend him and his sister

    1. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      You’re right. That was here in Houston. The cop father is a deputy for Harris County (Houston), whose house and a couple others had already been recently burglarized. When the crooks came back a second time, the 15 yr. old son and 12 yr. old sister were home alone. The boy retrieved pop’s AR and exercised his God given right to self-defense. Sent both thieves to the hospital, one critically with three new holes and the other not so bad that he couldn’t be brought back to the scene for identification.

      1. avatar mark_anthony_78 says:

        In NJ, the parents would be guilty of a felony (firearm access for anyone under 16 years of age)…

        No joke…

        1. avatar henry says:

          That is why wise people don’t live in the The Peoples Republic of New Jersey

      2. avatar jwm says:

        That’s why they call it a poodle shooter. 3 hits on one dummy and he’s still alive. 2nd guy wasn’t even hurt bad enough to be kept in the hospital.

  3. avatar Patriot says:

    First time I ever had to call 911 I was put on hold, that was a huge eye opener for me, I don’t even live in the [D]’s Utopias such as Chicago or NYC.

    Anyone seen this, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vqOTOLlMTQ4

    Don’t give the popo shyte for being late to the party, they might slap you and haul you off to jail.

    1. avatar 505markf says:

      I’ve watched good cops wade into a highly-charged, emotional situation and they just calm things down. Stunning to watch how good some people are at defusing anger and fear. I’ve also seen bad cops pump so much negative energy into a situation that it’s by the grace of God a half dozen people weren’t killed.

      I’ve wondered what the difference is. Good cop friends tell me it’s that they never lose sight of the fact they are talking to people that come with some baggage and that includes heightened emotions from a scary or tragic event. The good cops do not say it this way, so I will add my own thoughts that bad cops simply view a citizen – in almost any event – as a current or future criminal that is just trying to get over on them. Good cop = empathetic person looking to help. Bad cop = armed thug with an agenda and an attitude. There are way too few of the former and way too many of the later.

      All that cop had to do was say, “you’re a soldier? well then I thank you for your service, now how about you tell me what happened…” Would have defused the guy’s hurt and anger immediately and would have cost the cop nothing in terms of pride and ego.

      1. avatar FoRealz? says:

        People should practice the three F’s.

        Be Firm.

        Be Fair.

        Be Friendly.

        Goes a long way towards greasing the wheels of human interactions no matter the situation.

  4. avatar ST says:

    Calling 911 hoping the police will stop an attack, is like calling your insurance company hoping they’ll prevent your car from crashing.

    Law Enforcement is an incident response service. We’d make some headway as a nation if the average voter understood that.

    1. avatar PeterC says:

      “Incident response service.” Excellent…you nailed it!

      1. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

        Man, now that’s an idea…I see a business opportunity in the making.

        Well, for about a week, when the government regulates such an enterprise out of business.

    2. avatar Jonathan - Houston says:

      Correct. Police reports don’t write themselves any more than chalk outlines draw themselves. Someone has to roll up and waddle over an hour and a half later to do the admin tasks after a citizen has exercised his God-given right to self-defense. Although, really, couldn’t there just be an app for that?

  5. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    I’ll wager $100 that Mr. Quick will be a firearms rights convert very soon.

    1. avatar Pascal says:

      If the people who take my NRA class are of any indication, the answer is very highly likely — yes!
      The first thing I do in every class is ask people why they finally decided to get a gun.

      Every class has at least three or four people who decided to get a gun after a home invasion or robbery. They are finally hit with the realization of how long the police response took and the lack of empathy to their situation and finally something snaps that they really are on their own.

      Sad but true, but many times a crime especially when someone is violated and is now scared, brings one more gun owner into our ranks. Something the anti-gun crowd can never stop because soon as the blinders are off and reality sets in, people finally get a clue that they are truly the only first responders.

  6. avatar JaredFromTampa says:

    I’m surprised the troopers didn’t shoot the dog when they got there. I also have a dog named Chunk. In all seriousness, I’m glad the kids and dog are ok, despite the total lack of assistance from the authorities. I’m guessing it is quite the wakeup call for that family.

  7. avatar jack says:

    Want to find a cop fast? Do 15 over the limit on an interstate……

    1. avatar Nine says:

      Heading towards a doughnut shop.

  8. avatar TommyNV says:

    The Connecticut police were too busy tracking down and arresting legal, er I’m sorry illegal as of January 1, 2014 gun owners so they were not available to respond to a home invasion burglary in progress where minors were home alone. Priorities and all.

  9. avatar Taylor Tx says:

    You mean to tell me in the bastion of peace that is now CT after they passed those gun laws, there are still criminals?!?! I say Balderdash 🙂

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      They probably came from NYC, since it’s so hard to get a gun there.

  10. avatar cknarf says:

    Just say ‘GUN’ on the phone and they will be there in 5 minutes and in force.

    I remember once my girlfriend had called an ambulance for my dad, and the EMTs asked if there were guns in the house. She said yes, so they waited outside. Holy-effing shizz the entire Springfield Police Department showed up. 10 + cop cars, buncha cops, ballistic shield man. Jesus, it was so retarded. It was like a standoff with a sick man, lying on the floor. For 45 minutes they were all ‘James, put the gun down and come out of the house!’

    Yes, because he can get off the floor.

    They wouldn’t let me go inside, like he was a danger or something. Then they kicked my door off the hinges, and did that little police conga line thing, where they follow the shield guy. I thought they were going to shoot him. I started crying like a girl.

    As we rode to the hospital in the ambulance, my girlfriend called. Said they wanted her to open my safe. She told them to shove it.

    I lost all faith in the police that day.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      They wanted to steal, err, “secure” the guns for officer safety purposes.

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      “…EMTs asked if there were guns in the house.”

      The correct answer is “No, but there’s plenty of blood.”

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        “No guns, but there’s a big plate of steaming hot doughnuts!”

  11. avatar A-Rod says:

    Mossberg 500 or 590 would have changed the outcome of this situation. What is the street price on a decent Mossberg these days? $400-$500? another $30 for a dozen 00 buck shot shells. So all in all less than $600 to defend the castle and protect the family.

    1. avatar Marcus says:

      $247 for a 500 at Walmart

    2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Way less than that!

      I’ve seen used 500’s at pawn shops for $200-250 and Military Surp 00 Buck for around $5 per box of shells…

      He was probably unarmed because he wanted to be.

    3. avatar A-Rod says:

      Thanks Marcus and Rock. I rest my case.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I got a Maverick 88, a security pump gun from mossberg, new for 199 plus fees not to long ago. In gun friendly CA. 7+1 loads of buckshot fun.

        I’ve said this countless times in discussions at the CA public school system that I retired from(I’ll leave you to imagine how civil some of those conversations were) even if you absolutely hate guns and wish to see them all gone, have at least a shotgun at home. In a perfect world we’ll never need 911 or a gun.

        Anybody ever been to a perfect world?

        1. avatar Jus Bill says:

          It exists in deLeon’s alleged “mind.”

  12. avatar Matt in FL says:

    How old is old enough to teach your kids about guns, and allow them some access? I’d say 12-14’d do it. While I wouldn’t want to saddle a kid with knowing he shot someone for the rest of his life, at the same time, I guarantee both of those kids now exactly what it means to be “in fear for your life.”

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      I’d say as young as ten. It really depends on the kids, though. Some parents do a terrible job raising them and let them turn into little hellions who I wouldn’t trust with an x-acto knife, let alone a gun.

      Kids brought up right, however, can handle the responsibility. Get them training, enforce and reinforce the four rules at all times, and make sure they understand the destructive power of a firearm.

      As I told my friend’s cousin (who’s a responsible 13-year-old) when we taught him to shoot the other day: there ain’t no reset button. You make a mistake with a gun and you could die or kill someone else. Each time you squeeze the trigger you better be damn sure you’re not violating any one of the four rules.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        I was always a fan of the “show them what happens to a watermelon” thing, too. Show them that this ain’t the movies. The watermelon almost never fails to engender a “Whoa” and some respect for the tool.

        1. avatar Michael B. says:

          That’s a good idea, actually. I hadn’t thought of that.

          Problem is, I might be tempted to eat the watermelon before we even got to the range.

        2. avatar Matt in FL says:

          You can eat it after. And on a hot day it tastes great. Most handgun rounds won’t even expand, much less fragment, and rifle rounds blow right through. It’s the hydrostatic shock that blows it apart. As long as it’s not bird shot, you’re fine. You can crack a tooth on that shit.

        3. avatar Cliff H says:

          Many years ago in Dayton, Ohio, I knew an instructor who would start his range class by putting a .357 JHP through a gallon can of Ketchup. That definitely got some attention.

    2. avatar Anon in CT says:

      I don’t know. I used to be a 14 year old boy, and had 14 year old friends.

      Teaching them about safety and allowing them to shoot at a range under close supervision? Sure. Allowing access when you’re out of the house? Unless you live in Murder City USA (Chicago I guess), there is a greater chance of something going wrong than something going right.

      1. avatar racer88 says:

        The Petit family didn’t live in “Murder City.”

        1. avatar Anon in CT says:

          I know. Not far from where I live.

          On the other hand the wife was home – and my wife is not unarmed.

          I just remember being a curious teenage boy – and I was actually a pretty well-behaved one. Obviously it depends on the kids, and the parents are the ones who can best judge when the kids are ready for that sort of responsibility.

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          Yeah, except they can’t. Often parents are unable to look at their kids objectively.

      2. avatar Pulatso says:

        When I was 14 almost every kid in the neighbor hood either had access to guns or had their own. And since everybody hunted or did target shooting, nobody grabassed with them, even the crazier kids who would risk their skin doing other stupid stuff.

        1. avatar Anon in CT says:

          Good point. But if your kid is the only one with access to firearms, especially in an area wher they are completely verbotten in the homes of most of their friends . . . Curiosity is a very powerful force, as is peer pressure. And then some other parent calls the cops because you “let” her sweetie-pie touch a gun in your house (when it was really her kid who pressured your kid). Maybe I am a negative person, but it’s too easy for me to create scenarios where things end badly.

          Who knows, maybe in 10 years we’ll be living in a zombie apocalypse and the kids will be strapped all the time.

    3. avatar vioshi says:

      General access: 12-14 depending on the kid.
      But at 5-7 if give them the combo if they called me in a situation. Depending on the kid. But then again all my baby sitters are packing, so that probably wouldn’t be necessary.

    4. avatar JR says:

      I say start teaching them gun safety and handling and marksmanship as early as possible. As for allowing access when they are alone…no easy answer; it’s going to be VERY child dependent.

      We should, however, keep in mind that 12 year old boys were once junior officers on warships in command of entire batteries on the gun deck. The degradation of “age of responsibility” is extremely troubling to me. We now call 25 year olds “kids.”

      The Boy Scout marksmanship badge requires 13 years old for eligibility (at least that’s my understanding). The Cub Scouts have awards for air rifles, so the Scouts organization is not opposed to getting them started early.

      One big problem I would have with allowing the young ones too much access is not my children themselves so much as other children coming over that have not been properly vetted.

      In some states (such as here in NC), it’s legislated to limit access to minors. Yeah, in a way that kind of sucks…like the legislature has said, “yeah, YOU can defend yourself, but your children cannot.” I have no idea how this would pan out in a self defense situation in the current political climate.

      I was given my first firearm as a Christmas present in fourth grade. The shotgun and my Dad’s rifle both hung on a rack on my bedroom wall above my bed until I moved out after high school. I feared for what my Dad would do if I so much as touched them when he was not around, but that rule was relaxed sometime in high school.

      Times have changed.

      1. avatar pyratemime says:

        My daughter is 3 and she is able to (and has) asked to see my guns any time she wants. We sit on the floor of my office and before she can touch any of them or do anything else she has to point to the trigger and tell me she is not allowed to touch that part.

        After that we go over the different parts, what the difference between a rifle and shotgun are or pistol and revolver are. I also have introduced the NRA childrens and Cooper four rules in our discussions and she occassionaly brings them up as we talk. After she turns four this summer we will review both sets of rules as part of our pre-walk through discussion.

        Even at her young age the “mystique” of firearms is starting to vanish and be replaced with the knowledge (and hopefully soon the understanding) that these are tools. The same way she has to respect my hammers and screwdrivers because they can cause a boo-boo she has to respect my firearms. Maybe I am fortunate or perhaps just lucky but this approach is working so far and I hope it continues.

        1. avatar Southern Cross says:

          My son has known about my guns since the age of 2 when he saw them lined up along my workbench while I was installing a safe and said “Daddy, look… BOOM”. The rule has been he is allowed to touch them if Dad says he can. This stops the curiosity of the forbidden fruit. He likes to help me clean the rifle when I have finished at the range and he wants to start shooting when he turns 12.

    5. avatar Pulatso says:

      Hell, I had my own 20 gauge by age ten.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        We had our own guns and ammo in our own closets. Nobody used a gun safe back then except folks with high end collectibles. Pickups had racks in the rear windows and it was normal to see shotguns or rifles hanging there in school parking lots. I went hunting without adult supervision. My buddies and I went on overnight hiking trips and we had guns with us and no adults.

        I enlisted when I was 17. It was the first time in my life a gun was locked up or issued without ammo. Took some getting used to.

    6. avatar Gavin in MO says:

      I was taught to shoot at 8 my father showed me how to use sks first gun I ever shot even before bb gun I couldn’t even lift the barrel to shoot so I would start my kids early but restrict access till they get to be around 10

  13. avatar Matt says:

    How does it take 1.5hrs to get there? You can drive across the entire state of CT in 1-1.5hrs!

    No excuse.

    1. avatar Drew says:

      That don’t need an excuse and they shouldn’t need one. If you make them responsible you must grant them the power to fulfill that responsibility. And when you grant power you naturally are giving power up. The cops may decide to simply allow a crime to happen with no repercussions because that is not their job.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        They had to find a unit that was not on traffic on the Interstate.

  14. avatar The Last Marine out says:

    Have you seen how very overweight most police are, and the 7/11’s and the donut shops give free coffee and donuts… No body gives me anything for free, and the pay for todays police is way too high … I know in PA. the police (Pa. state) would not answer a lot of calls , from gangs, fights, break in’s , vandalism , drunks, and yes they made sure to be 45 min’s or more to come??????????

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Go a little easy on the “free coffee and donuts.” Don’t get me wrong, I know it still happens (and the smaller town you live in, the more likely that is), but most municipalities now have pretty strict rules against accepting food and drinks “on the arm.” Around me, cops are very scrupulous about paying for what they consume.

      1. avatar Michael B. says:

        I believe we live in the same area, Matt.

        While that’s true, certain restaurants and places around here do give them discounts.

        So while it’s not technically free they’re still being given preferential treatment by some business owners who want them around to deter crime. I could list some examples if you’d like.

        1. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Nah, I believe you, and honestly, that’s fine with me. I get that it’s gonna happen, but the point of the rules was to cut down on corruption, and I think they’ve done that. As long as they’re obeying the spirit of the law, I’m good.

        2. avatar JR says:

          Where it gets really problematic is when the cops walk in demanding a discount or freebie.

          As a former LEO, this really got under my skin:

          I was at the shooting range last month and as I was leaving, two guys were signing in. One was obnoxiously complaining (to the VERY nice lady that works the counter there) that he was not getting a LE discount.

          That individual had a very big entitlement mentality, and it was not good PR for cops.

          What makes it worse is that in this county, there is a range available for cops if they are members of the local LEO club. So, I don’t get why he was complaining so loud about paying full price, like the rest of us, at the private range.

      2. avatar Michael B. says:

        I don’t think there’s a specific law covering it, just departmental policy. By the way, the main place around me that does it is a really great Texas-style BBQ joint.

        I actually don’t mind that they do since they scare off all the panhandlers that roam that stretch of Orange after the sun sets.

        I’ve had some serious “HOLY ****!” moments with various panhandling fools around this town that leads me to believe they’re either really dumb or not from FL. Maybe both.

        1. avatar Matt in FL says:

          I used to drive past that place daily. Never went in. Have to check it out.

        2. avatar Michael B. says:

          Their food’s amazing. It costs a little more than the various chain BBQ joints but the quality is much, much better. Plus the guys that work there are pretty friendly and the interior of the place is nice.

        3. avatar Matt in FL says:

          I like Bubbalou’s and 4Rivers, each for their own reasons (Good Lord, the moist end brisket at 4R). How’s it stack up in comparison?

        4. avatar Michael B. says:

          I can’t say since I haven’t been to 4Rivers yet, even though I keep hearing about it, but I think it’s certainly better than Bubbalou’s.

          My personal list of my favorite BBQ places in our area, by order of preference:

          1. Cecil’s
          2. Keller’s (there’s one across the street from Gander Mountain in Lake Mary and another in Altamonte)
          3. Bubbalou’s
          4. Sonny’s

        5. avatar Matt in FL says:

          That list sounds about right. I’d put 4R above Bubbalous, but bring your appetite. It’s more expensive, but it’s more food.

        6. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Michael, depending on what direction the wind is blowing it’s either bribery or extortion. See Chiraq.

        7. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          Oh come ON guys, I haven’t had breakfast yet. Now I want some good BBQ. I’m drooling over here.

  15. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    Two words… Pump. Shotgun.

    1. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

      Honestly this seems like the only situation where I would want one of those Stoeger Condor Defense shotguns around. Hey kids, if anyone ever breaks in, just point and shoot. Very simple.

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        Makes sense.

    2. avatar tdiinva says:

      Two words: Dead Dog. If you have a dog, even a ankle bitter that wades into the fight you may end up killing your pooch with shotgun. That’s why my shotty is not ready for home defense. We rely on handguns and tactics to deal with a threat. The canine alarm system will give me at least 10 seconds to get into position. Entry through front: I am down stairs behind cover, wife is at the top stairs calling 9-11. Upon entry BGs are caught in a classic L-shaped ambush. Entry through rear I go to approximately the same place but wife comes down an backs me up. The plan will probably go to pieces anyway but at least we have thought about it.

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        I don’t understand why the dog has to die…

        Cylinder bore shotgun with 00 Buck spreads 1 inch per yard traveled, so at 10-15 yard that’s about 1 foot of spread. That’s probably the furthest you’re going to be shooting, unless you live in a mansion.

        Even through a door, where the height is unknown, you’re going to be aiming around 4-6 ft up from the ground, unless you suspect the intruder is a little person.

        I guess the dog could be at that height (4-6ft), but I doubt it. And besides, I don’t base my home defense on the pooch, I base it on me and my other fellow humans.

        But, do what you do man, it’s your castle.

        1. avatar tdiinva says:

          My dogs are part of the family. They may be willing to die for me but I don’t want to be the one that does it.

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          You shouldn’t have kids if you’re not willing to take that risk.

          And at that distance the likelihood of shotgun spread hitting a dog is small unless the dog is jumping up to chest height on the attacker… in which case unless you’re a dead-shot, a handgun ain’t gonna do better.

  16. avatar jirdesteva says:

    “A free people ought…to be armed”
    ― George Washington
    “Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
    ― George Washington
    Police don’t magically show up unless WE call for them to and that is already too late to stop the criminal from committing the crime.

    1. avatar Layne says:

      I liked your quote, so I tried to confirm it’s validity (I don’t trust the internet). It’s false. Doesn’t appear that the original source is known, but it is not George Washington.

      1. avatar jirdesteva says:

        My error indeed. The quotes are attributed to Washington, not known to have actually been stated by him. However I concede and hence forward will include “attributed” in the line before his name.

      2. avatar jirdesteva says:

        I prefer this from Jefferson however its context is somewhat questionable as it was in speaking of exercise:
        “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson

  17. avatar Fred says:

    There was an attempted burglary at my pastor’s house not too long ago. He, his wife, and his two kids were home. He immediately called the police and then grabbed his shotgun and hunkered the family down in his bedroom, shouting at the burglar to leave. It took the police an hour and a half to show up. Luckily the burglar didn’t make it into the house, although he tried (I think his insurance covered the repairs), but was probably dissuaded by the shouting of the homeowner. The kicker: the police station is within sight of my pastor’s house.

    1. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

      WAG: Flint, MI?

      1. avatar Fred says:

        Nope, sixth safest city in the nation (in population class 2006 data) and ranked the safest in the state (2012).

  18. avatar I'd really like to keep it private says:

    I’m a cop. I would LOVE to be able to respond to every in-progress crime in time to stop the harm and apprehend the offenders. But that’s not how life works, for so many reasons. I agree with what most posters above said — prepare yourself to protect your own butt and your family until we get there. However, if my guys take 1.5 hours to get to a burglary in progress, I will put my boot so far up their asses that it will need to be removed surgically.

    We are not just cops, we are citizens too. I want my officers to get to a call as fast as I would expect the police in the town I live in would take to respond if my wife and kids needed help when I’m away at work. And my guys take that same approach.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      +1

    2. avatar JR says:

      “We are not just cops, we are citizens too”

      Right on.

      I was told by an old-school cop one time: “Yeah, it’s our job to enforce the law, but it’s also NOT our job to make people’s lives worse.” Meaning, of course, you are dealing with people, not “subjects.”

      Those good cops out there have a tough time: people lump them with the bad ones, departments write policies specifically to take away “thinking” and discretion, etc.

      1. avatar The Original Brad says:

        +1 million. Accreditation was all the rave of the 90’s. When my old department got it, there was a noticable decline in our ability to use disretion. Some policies mandated arrest so even if you didn’t think it would do any good, you could be written up, suspened or worse, fired for failing to follow the policy. Trust me, we all “did someone a favor” at first and then we all got burned eventually under the “no good deed goes unpunished” rule. Stand in front of a discipliary board one time and watch your career, your family’s future and your reputation go on the chopping block because you gave a DUI a ride home or tossed a bag of pot out. You’ll never do it again.

        1. avatar Hannibal says:

          People make these laws about ‘zero tolerance’ and create statutory mandatory arrests with domestic violence and the like and then expect it all to work out. Even worse is when a cop gives someone a break and then gets fired for it. Recently a DUI driver wasn’t arrested but merely transported away from his car. He ended up getting run over and now the cops are probably fired and I’m sure there is a civil suit pending because somewhere along the line society expected cops to be baby-sitters for stupid people.

    3. avatar LOmog says:

      Now all we need are a few thousand cops like you to step up and make sure all officers show that same attitude. It just seems more and more like the LEO’s are adopting the “a job is just a paycheck” mindset that is common in the majority of the workforce. When people are counting on you to help protect them, you have to have the mindset that you will do whatever you can, not just the miniumum you have to do to not get fired. Good on ya mate.

      1. avatar jirdesteva says:

        IMHO I believe its the same with gun owners and police officers. The media makes it seem as though the only type out there are the bad ones. I have met many police officers and gun owners that are volunteers and lend a hand in their communities but those never make headlines beyond their city limits.

    4. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

      I’ve always thought that would make a great advertising campaign for a firearms manufacturer: “Stay alive until the police arrive.”

      It might help shut some of the antis up as well.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Nah.

  19. avatar racer88 says:

    OK… interesting timing. I’ve been pondering the question: At what point / age do you give your self-baby-sitting children access to firearms for protection while Mom and Dad are out on a dinner date?

    If you decide that your 12 year old is old enough to stay home alone with his 9 year old sister while Mom and Dad go out for dinner… Do you give him access to a firearm? Assume both children are already shooters and can recite and practice the “four rules.”

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      The answer to that question is and always will be “when you think they’re ready.” Nobody but you can make that call. On average, I don’t think 12 is too young. Nine is probably pushing it, but there might be a very few that are ready for the responsibility. Conversely, there are lots of 17 year olds that aren’t.

      Now that I think about it, having been a teenage boy, I think I’d give access at 10, and then take it away again at about 16, because that’s when they get really stupid.

    2. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

      The answer is the first day they’re allowed to “self-baby-sit,” as you put it. Anything less is dereliction of duty as a parent.

      If they are not able to protect themselves from the dangers of being alone in the house, they shouldn’t be alone in the house. So you better believe my eldest son will have access to a firearm when he turns 12ish, and know how to use it far earlier than that. If not a firearm, maybe a paintball gun with ball bearings. Or a crossbow. For goodness sake, he’ll have SOMETHING nasty to throw their way at high velocity.

      1. avatar jirdesteva says:

        +1
        Frozen paint balls can go through 1/2″ drywall.

    3. avatar Thomas Paine says:

      depends i guess. with my kids, it would be ‘if they own it, it’s theirs to use’. 22 bolt action or whatever, it’s better than nothing. however, if you leave your own pistol/rifle unlocked, then the jury will throw the book at you if an accident occurs.

      Probably the answer that will keep you out of trouble is: “whatever the legal age to own a firearm is in your state/area.”

      you could always go with training that includes neck chops, eye gouges, and testicle punches.

      1. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

        Maybe I’m a pessimist, but I don’t relish the thought of leaving my childrens’ safety up to the effective deployment of an Austin Powers judo chop or Vulcan nerve pinch.

        1. avatar peirsonb says:

          Definitely not, but it’s hard to argue the merits of some form of martial arts as a backup….

        2. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          Kicks and stomps to the knees and ankles can be quite useful as well. No matter how tough a bad guy is, everyone’s eyeballs are just as soft as the next guys.

          But yeah, if you’re down to hand to hand things are already not going well for you. The point is to keep that fat lady from singing at all costs. If your life is in danger, never ever stop fighting, and if you’re going to keep fighting it’s good to have some well practiced moves in the metaphorical holster.

  20. avatar paulus says:

    Im way more concerned about what happened to the dog. no mention of condition of the dog. and, who leaves the dog out there to get hurt? sounds like a family of not very bright people.

    1. avatar Layne says:

      LOL If the dog can provide even a slight deterrence while being killed rather than give away the hiding place of the children, I say it’s a win. Doesn’t sound like it was hurt at all though.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Exactly. A loud dog can be the first line of defense. I had two attempted breakins at my home foiled because I owned a loud dog. Not even a big dog, just loud. Any resistance at all and the punks will move out smartly to somewhere easier/quieter.

  21. avatar Thomas Paine says:

    they don’t never come correct. you can ask my man right here with the broken neck. 911 is a joke.

  22. avatar Don says:

    Home owner food for thought:

    Replace the interior door and door frame on your bathroom with something more substantial, like a security door with more substantial hardware. Store a pre-paid cell phone, a flash light, and some power bars in there in a pelican case. Makes a good safe room, especially for families. In an adult household add a ruger gp100 to the pelican case.

    -D

    1. avatar JR says:

      Question: Why should people hide like that in their own home?

      I get that it can be what is needed occasionally, but this “safe room” stuff is becoming so normalized, it seems to suggest that the rest of the house is lost.

      The space that is defended is getting smaller and smaller. “Okay, so we’re not going to fight to defend the front door, we’ll just hide in the closet.” What happens next?

      From a “tactics” standpoint, I think hiding may be questionable in practice. If you might have to make some sort of stand anyway, might as well make it as early as possible and give yourself as many options as possible.

      1. avatar Layne says:

        Depends. If I had kids I might give the safe room some thought to secure them in before confronting the bad guy. As is though I’m shooting as soon as it’s legal, which is the front door.

        Also why a pelican case for indoor storage lol? A paper bag would suffice.

        1. avatar Hasdrubal says:

          If your room of choice for this is the bathroom, then moisture is another enemy. Pelican case works great for that.

      2. avatar Pulatso says:

        I wouldn’t call my plan “hiding” as much as “preparing an ambush”.

      3. avatar BTinAfghan says:

        Pump shotgun, rack it once and the bad guy will run if they have any sense.

        1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          If they are in the house when you are, they are lacking to some degree in sense. Always train to shoot if necessary, if the racking sound makes them leave then I count that as a bonus.

          Hopefully racking the pump will work, just don’t bet your life on that alone.

      4. avatar jwm says:

        I have a 6 and 7 yo granddaughters in my home. I want them safely hidden where they can’t see what poppa is going to do to the bad man.

        I want my grandkids to think of poppa as that fat old teddy bear that spoils them rotten. At least while they’re still little.

  23. avatar IdahoPete says:

    “State police said they are investigating whether there was a delayed response.” Wow, that should be a hard-hitting, unbiased investigation! Here, CT St Pol, let me help: How long did it take them to respond? “One hour and a half.” Yep, that’s “delayed”.

    “I want someone caught,” Quick said. “I just want to also figure out what happened. Where were the cops?” Hey, they were busy kicking in doors of people who might not have registered their eeeevil 30-round magazine.

  24. avatar Hannibal says:

    If you fail to protect your family, don’t blame the police. Blame the society that somehow lead you to believe there’s always someone to take care of you.

    The police will try and get there and get the bad guy while saving the kids. Sometimes they can’t do it in time. There should be a lesson in that for this guy. Wonder how he votes.

  25. avatar Az9mm says:

    Usually a home invasion call, especially if children are calling will recieve a priority one designation. (Dispatcher will announce over all channels to all cars) Personally, I find it strange that it took them 1.5 hours to get there, but other factors could have been in play. That being said, you shouldnt rely only on the police or sheriffs office for protection

  26. avatar Pat says:

    Libtards (democrats) fail.

  27. avatar Mike B says:

    Great story.
    Quick tip. You can embed videos in your site. look for the icon (in this video).
    Copy the code into your post editor.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      They don’t always work correctly (or at all). Not sure about this one specifically.

  28. avatar Resident CT says:

    Connecticut Gov Malloy, had been very busy in 2012 in reducing Connecticut State Police Staffing based on the argument that it would save the state money AND not affect 911 response times.

    http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Court-fight-centers-on-law-setting-state-police-2164593.php

    In addition the Malloy Adminstration has been virtually waging a war on Connecticut State Police rank and file. Bringing down the number of sworn officers from 1217 (2009) officers to 1080 (2012).

    http://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/archives/entry/troopers_fight_to_maintain_minimum_staffing/

    Is it any wonder that they would have problems with response time? Gov. Malloy seems to be pretty central to underming public safety on this one.

  29. avatar Dave says:

    I was a LEO for 30+ years. So, when I tell you the police cannot protect you, you had better believe it! For those posters gloating, “the police got here in five minutes, the police got to my house in ten minutes,” I suggest you set your microwave timer to five or ten minutes and sit down and do nothing until the buzzer sounds. Then you will be able to comprehend, five or ten minutes is a lot of time. It’s so true, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. Defend yourself, defend your family. Arm up!

  30. avatar JuanCudz says:

    This report is all well and good but I need to know, how is the dog?

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