NY Governor Cuomo: Seven-Round Loading Limit or Nothing

New York’s SAFE Act was crafted in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, It was passed in the dead-of-night, 20-minutes after it landed on legislators’ desks. Governor Cuomo signed the bill immediately thereafter. He bypassed the usual three-day waiting period by claiming that the Act was an “emergency measure.” The result is an egregious an infringement on Empire Staters’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Amongst its Second Amendment-defiling provisions: a law prohibiting legal gun owners from loading more than seven rounds in their handgun’s magazine – unless the owner’s at a state-approved gun range. That particular stipulation was so obviously arbitrary and unjustifiable that the bone-headed federal judge that upheld the rest of the SAFE Act tossed the seven-round limit. On this, Governor Cuomo will not yield – and for good reason . . .

Cuomo said he believes the seven-bullet limit would be restored on appeal. The law only allows seven bullets to be loaded in a 10-bullet magazine.

He said the state had a 10-bullet limit before last year’s law, and New York City has a five-bullet limit for some firearms, he said.

“If you’re going to throw out this limit, you are going to have to throw out all the limits,” Cuomo said.

Still, Cuomo indicated that the judge’s ruling on the seven-bullet limit is now the law, unless it overturned. The case may make its way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The democratandchronicle.com reports that the pro-gun side is also appealing the decision. Obvs. So, would the Supremes rescue New York from voters’ willingness to elect politicians who trample their gun rights as if they never existed? Watch this space. You know, eventually. Maybe.

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  1. I’m looking forward to this playing out. I’m really hoping he gets the “or nothing”

  2. avatar KevinMA says:

    “If you’re going to throw out this limit, you are going to have to throw out all the limits,” Cuomo said.

    Absofrakinglutely!!!! And throw yourself out while you’re at it governor. Cuba could use a man like you.

    1. avatar jirdesteva says:

      You beat me to it. As for Cuba using some one like him, NO, he isn’t as restrictive as the Castro’s like their minions.

      1. avatar cynical bastard says:

        If he moves to Cuba, the degree of liberty would increase in BOTH countries. 🙂

  3. avatar julian says:

    Unfortunately when you apply rigorous logic to MANY laws they don’t hold up to scrutiny. Unless their purpose is to consolidate power. Then they make perfect sense. Whelp, off to read Animal Farm again.

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      +1

  4. avatar Allbaniaaaaa says:

    Yes please throw out all the limits.

  5. avatar dirk diggler says:

    guess cuomo doesn’t want to run for POTUS. oh well

  6. avatar paultmccain says:

    Let me get this party *really* started.

    “I’m not sure why anyone is so worked up about this, if you know what you are doing, seven rounds is more than enough. It’s all about shot placement, don’t you know?”

    And there you go ….

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      And frankly why seven? Isn’t four ‘enough’? How about just one? If they find themselves in serious trouble they can just take themselves out, since that seems to be their advice for us.

      1. avatar KCK says:

        It was enough for Barney.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      James Bond often made do with a Beretta in .25 ACP that held maybe 6 rounds total. Worked for him, why not you?

      1. avatar ropingdown says:

        I’ll take Mz. Galore. He can keep the Beretta.

        1. avatar Stephen Lamade says:

          As in “leave the gun; take the cannoli.”

      2. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

        It worked for “Bond, James Bond” because he and all the bad guys read the script and stuck to it, of course…

        1. avatar thatoneguy says:

          I think he pulled all of his amazing feats due to the “drunk focus” that his steady diet of martinis provided him. Like when I’m at the bar shooting pool or throwing darts.

      3. avatar Ing says:

        Unfortunately, I’m not fictional and there doesn’t seem to be any way around it…

        If I were fictional, I’d aim for something more epic than James Bond (P. Galore notwithstanding). Like Gandalf — I’m even working on the beard.

    3. avatar Totenglocke says:

      The politicians who say such things should only be allowed to have guards / police / SS armed with single shot pistols. After all, a “highly trained professional” wouldn’t miss, right?

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        How about no taxpayer funded guards? let ’em fend for themselves like the rest of us or pay out of their own pockets for bodyguards like any other citizen. There’s no legitimate reason for the practice as it stands now.

        1. avatar Totenglocke says:

          That too.

    4. avatar Karl from Commiefornia says:

      Your right! perfect placement on paper/steel target always translates to perfect placement on a moving target that fires back we all know variables never change

  7. avatar DBM says:

    I’ll bet his body guards have more than 10 rounds in their mags. Laws only apply to the common scum.

    1. avatar Joe Anderson says:

      Correct, the NYS police protect the governor and police are except from the limits

    2. avatar Tommy says:

      If I recall correctly, they had to change the law a bit right after it was passed because the limit applied to everyone, police included. The day it was passed every officer in the state was in violation.

      1. avatar Kittenfists says:

        They sure did. They passed it in such a rush in the dead of night that they forgot to exempt the cops. I think it was a day or two before they realized this and had to go back and add that in.

  8. avatar EagleScout87 says:

    12 gauge slug is anywhere from .50 to .70 caliber. But large caliber weapons shouldn’t be allowed, but shotguns should be allowed.. but M-15’s shouldn’t… wait, what the hell is this clown talking about?!

    1. avatar Reyberto Colon says:

      +1
      I asked myself the same question but in a much more colorful language. But this is the usual way low-information automatons function. I personally know nothing about NASCAR. I’m an F1 guy. Therefore I have no business giving an opinion on how NASCAR should be run and what should be allowed on their cars. But basic logic is not their strong suit, is it?

      1. avatar Salty Bear says:

        But if you did share your opinion on NASCAR, you’d be a RACIST!

    2. avatar Rad Man says:

      Just let them try coming after my AK-48.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        That’s one better than an AK47?

      2. avatar Jonathan -- Houston says:

        47, 48, whatever it takes.

        1. avatar Scott D. says:

          220. 221.

    3. avatar Jus Bill says:

      The M15 is a bus route in NYC. I rode it in my youth. The guy is a true moron.

      1. avatar NYC2AZ says:

        +1

        I have watched so many “interviews” that have taken place with average citizens in Manhattan. Stossel has some epic segments where people can’t even identify pictures of Presidential candidates (in an election year no less), but are quick to spout their radical political stances against/for those people that they don’t recognize. And forget about sports… I used to think there was a fairly knowledgeable fan base for all sports in the City, but now a days it just comes down to the standard responses of “spend more” (funny, they say that about tax dollars too) to repeating the random and idiotic babblings of Joel Sherman over at the Post. I’m going to be very interested how this new Mayor is going to work out. I’m seeing Dinkins part deux from his speeches.

  9. avatar djs says:

    why do you need more than 7 rds?…well let me ask this too…why do u need more toilet papaer? why? cuz shit happens!

  10. avatar Carry.45 says:

    A quick google search tells me there is such thing as an M15, but me thinks that guy doesn’t know what that is.

  11. avatar tommyr says:

    FUAC. This guy is such a freaking dipshit. And now you can’t even order ammo online in N.Y.. Unconstitutional IMHO. 2A means jack shit to this asshole.

    1. avatar Troutbum5 says:

      It means much to him and others like him. It means a threat to their quest for power and control.

    2. avatar Carry.45 says:

      Fuac?

      1. avatar Big E says:

        F#@$ YOU Andrew Cuomo

  12. avatar MattG says:

    I’m still wondering who’s bright idea it was to have a 7 round limit anyway. I get the 10 round limit goes back to when Bill Ruger said “No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun”. He was trying to save the Mini 14 from being banned, and encouraged lawmakers to go after magazines. 10 has become the standard number that numbskull anti’s see as “common sense”, but 7? Why not 8, or 4 or 1? Just pull a number out of your ass, the lower the better, call it “reasonable” and “common sense” and there you have it, I guess.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      We won the Revolution with single shot muzzle loaders. Why isn’t one shot enough?

      (Because the bad guys don’t pay any more attention to the SAFE act than they do to any other law.)

    2. avatar Jeff says:

      There was some speculation that Kimber (located in NY) may have written in support of a 7-round limit, since just about all of their firearms include a standard 7-round magazine.

      1. avatar Vhyrus says:

        I would bet a dollar to a doughnut it has to do with the standard capacity of a 1911, and I would also put money on kimber having something to do with this in order to sell more guns/not lose home state business.

    3. avatar johnnyappleseed says:

      I don’t have a gun with 30 cartridges. I’ve got 30 teeny one-shot, single shot brass muskets, in a handy semiautomatic storage case, organizer, and firing actuator all rolled into one.

  13. avatar Joe Anderson says:

    It sounds like Cuomo didn’t even read the ruling. The 7 round limit wasn’t thrown out because it was a 7 round limit. It was thrown out because it did absolutely nothing to improve public safety (which is what the law claimed to do) as criminals could load 10 rounds into their legal 10 round mags just as easily as before. It did however, put a burden on law abiding citizen’s right to keep and bear arms, which does not pass intermediate scrutiny.

    In fact, based on my interpretation of the judge’s ruling, I suspect that any round limit would have passed intermediate scrutiny had it been a limit on magazine size, not on how many you load into a mag. This was how the law was originally worded but it was changed when lawyers working for the state noted that the law would probably be overturned upon challenged as 7 round mags are not available for many guns.

    Now, as to why the judge used “intermediate scrutiny” (which apparently lets the judge throw out the constitution) is the real question.

    1. What the judge actually used was “Rational Basis”. He just called it intermediate scrutiny, because the Supreme Court said that “Rational Basis” was too low a standard for second amendment issues.

  14. avatar Gunr, from Oregon says:

    I wonder if is counting three 12 ga. shells, with say 3 large balls as 9 rounds?

  15. avatar T says:

    Fine, throw out all limits, because they never were meant to be there in the first place. Just like alot of those traitors who voted that crap into law shouldn’t be there in the first place.

  16. avatar dwb says:

    “If you’re going to throw out this limit, you are going to have to throw out all the limits.”

    Yes, I think he might be on to something there.

    Cuomo says you gotta draw the line somewhere … No more than 7 bullets and then the criminals have earned a chance to strike back.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      heh

  17. avatar Toasty says:

    Like in Heller 2, this judge ruled that “Assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines” are most definitely in common use for lawful purposes (and therefore protected). He also said that this law substantially burdens citizens from exercising their rights(and is therefore unconstitutional). The judge also used an interest balancing test on the case and an extremely shitty version of intermediate scrutiny on top of that.(Yes i know, interest balancing was specifically banned from use under Heller and McDonald, but hey, the 2A is different cause guns :D) So then why did these ridiculous laws get upheld in both cases? Well for an equally ridiculous reason of course; judge said that these weapons and magazines are above the bare minimum required for self defense, and since criminals might use them and there’s other options available, the govt can do whatever the fuck they want and we can go die in a fire; for the children. If your wondering “But isn’t that the same logic that DC tried to use on the SCOTUS in Heller that was specifically rejected and ridiculed by the majority?” Yes, yes it was. The lower courts do not care at all either. I think this case will be going to the SCOTUS though personally. God help us if it doesn’t though.

  18. avatar Rory says:

    a stupid, ignorant, and Tax-Wasteful Policy. Magazines in firearms are made SPECIFICALLY to rapidly reload a firearm. A bunch of fully loaded 7 round magazines can be loaded into the weapon, one magazine at a time, fired, ejected, and a fresh magazine reloaded within a second. Therefore, this is only stupidity, extremeism, grandstanding, and wasting the Taxpayers Dollars, on senseless Legislation that really would not accomplish a damn thing in the real World. Nothing but sensationalism from the Democommunist Politicians and their willing puppets, the mainstream news Media. Besides that, what Criminal is going to comply ? It’s just a ploy to harass and fine the Law-Abiding Firearm Owner.

  19. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    No one needs an M15!

    1. avatar A-Rod says:

      My middle name is ‘No one”. I’m going to get my with my tax refund.

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        And apparently, Armalite makes an M15, who knew?

      2. So, you have read the Odyssey, no one?

  20. avatar William Burke says:

    Disarm the average New Yorker, forget that bad guys can always get guns. DEFINITELY the way to go, you pea-brained SHEEP.

  21. avatar Hannibal says:

    The law was passed in 20 minutes. It will take years for it to be struck down, if it is indeed struck down. Then NYC and Albany will try something slightly different to screw its citizens, and it’ll take another 2 years to undo that. Can anyone tell me why a law that restricts constitutional rights is able to remain in effect while the State delays and delays?

    1. avatar Accur81 says:

      That’s easy. The criminals are the ones making the laws with the intent of consolidating power. Do you think that Obama, Biden, Feinstein, Holder, etc. would ever supports any limits for *their* bodyguards? Now you get the picture.

  22. avatar Davis Thompson says:

    I live less than 70 miles from NYC and I sure as hell hope the emanations of stupidity as expressed in those interviews can’t reach me here. Maybe it’s time to lead line the walls.

  23. avatar Frank Masotti says:

    Do any of the idiots realise you can get a shotgun with a 10 round tube? Or a lever action with 10+ rounds? How are those “assault weapons? Or my xd 45 with 13 in the mag?

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      They’re not classified as assault weapons unless they have a detachable magazine.

      1. avatar A-Rod says:

        Broom Handle Mausers need to make a come back.

  24. avatar Taco says:

    “Large calibers don’t belong in a home” WHAT? This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about…the law doesn’t discuss calibers.

    1. avatar H.R. says:

      You can never say 100%, but I’d bet $5 that none of the people in those interviews had much if any familiarity with guns.
      Yet they still have opinions about what “reasonable” regulations there should be regarding guns.

      Maybe before they speak, they should be just a little bit familiar with the laws already on the books and have a passing familiarity with the objects that they so strongly want to regulate.

  25. avatar Taco says:

    M-15…I want one of those! And half these people were mugged on the way home by a bad guy with a gun.

  26. avatar Colt Magnum says:

    What a scumbag!

  27. avatar Dave357 says:

    // “… and New York City has a five-bullet limit for some firearms, he said. … Still, Cuomo indicated that the judge’s ruling on the seven-bullet limit is now the law, unless it overturned.” //

    Presumably, the ruling only applies to Western New York, and thus not to NYC. It should, however, apply to the City of Buffalo, which also, afaik, has some sort of 5-round magazine size limit. So, does the ruling mean the residents of Buffalo can now possess 10-round magazines, or does it only mean that in the parts of New York State that are covered by the ruling and that have the 10-round magazine limit one can load more than 7 round in a 10-round magazine?

  28. avatar Sixpack70 says:

    Those idiots in the video would also probably want to restrict a lot of things. If you asked them if cars like the one Paul Walker died in were just too powerful and too dangerous for the street, do you think we should ban them? I am sure they would say it should happen because, safety. Nobody needs more than 150 horsepower, it’s for the children of course.

  29. avatar Cubby123 says:

    Here’s a solution ,Carry two guns with seven rounds each that’s fourteen rounds ,enough to take out two perps at the same time.My kinda justice and keeps the Governor happy!

    1. avatar Scott D. says:

      How appropriate. A New York Reload, in New York.

  30. avatar Adub says:

    I think we should start loading hollowpoints with poison like in Jaws 2. Really make those gun control nuts piss their pants…

  31. avatar PhoenixNFA says:

    “sheeple” and were done……….all i need to see to know the content and production of that video.

    so just because someone is ignorant of a fact, (because they havent been exposed to the culture or ideas) they are suddenly sheep? an elephant judged on his ability to climb a tree will go about his life thinking he is stupid.

    i dunno, just a buzzword i hate hate hate hearing because some people i know think they are far superior to the average human because they “dont listen to the mass media”

    1. avatar peirsonb says:

      Agreed.

      The “sheep” that we so lovingly refer to are not necessarily stupid people, they are simply ignorant. Which, in and of itself, is NOT a bad thing. There are a great many things that I am ignorant of because I haven’t taken the time to study them. Name calling won’t win any converts to a cause, education will.

  32. avatar Don says:

    Take your stupid round limits and go…

    oops, I’ve reached my seven word limit. I needed two more to finish!

  33. avatar El Mac says:

    Cuomo is a shathead. Just like his old man. But if those chumps on that video are any indication, they deserve a shathead like Cuomo.

  34. avatar Accur81 says:

    I find it really disturbing when arrogant city dwellers express strong opinions regarding topics that they know nothing about. These idiots vote. A few follow up questions would easily expose their ignorance.

    1. avatar John Dennis says:

      Seriously? the know-it-all said M16 and M15? Moron zombie food!

      1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

        I googled M15, Armalite marks them apparently, maybe he’s dumb like a fox….

  35. avatar Andy says:

    Width these idiots speaking their minds like they have , I can see why they have the kind of idiot politicians like they do , and then the folks that put them in office blame everything else but the politicians for things going wrong , these folks do not see the type of world we are living in now , but I guess since there is so much crime and violence in New York City , they have become desensitized to it. I have grown up in Mississippi and we have a totally different attitude toward guns and incroachment of government into our personal lives , I guess it comes from what the Yankees and the Federal government did to the South long ago and still is trying to keep the South down.Be prepared and ready.Keep your powder dry.

  36. avatar John Dennis says:

    Yes New York. You can keep your Satanist Church too and put up Satan’s statue in bloomberg’s backyard.

  37. avatar Tommy says:

    I just read a story about three Louisiana police officers who fired “35 or 36 shots” at a man holding a knife and hit him 29 times killing him. If these so-called highly trained officers need that many shots to stop a single person, how many would a poor civilian need?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      One. Maybe two.

  38. avatar WI Patriot says:

    There is the proverbial “line in the sand” for NYer’s, now it’s on them, let see if they have the gonads to rise up and take it to the finish…

  39. avatar Jus Bill says:

    Don’t ever ask anyone in a large city about guns. Chances are very good that the only GUNZ they have ever seen were on TV or in the movies. Ignorance is widespread.

  40. avatar Diamondback says:

    We the people don’t need any more rounds than LE or the military are allowed.

  41. avatar Bob R. says:

    Yo Sheep, kinda member one ting, if ya give up one of youz writes, youz weakin’ dem all.

    And I am from N.Y. but got da eff out to Tennessee so I didn’t have to worry about this chicken excrement stuff that N.Y. is doing.

    I can even drink super gulp sodas (or is that pop) and not have the Bloomy tell me I can’t, but that got shoved up his “where the sun don’t shine” didn’t it.

  42. avatar Kyle says:

    I am scared the Court will uphold an AWB. We saw how Roberts upheld O’Care. Do people really think he’d strike down the AWBs?

    1. avatar AntiCitizenOne says:

      They (the NRA) thought the same about Heller, too…

  43. avatar S.CROCK says:

    the people in the video show true ignorance. one said how “because of recent events…” that just prove that these people judge things just based on their current emotions.

  44. avatar Pat says:

    Crazy, mindless libtards (democrats).

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