Incendiary Image of the Day: “Some Day They’ll Be Lining Up for Boxcars Edition”

Connecticut gun owners line-up to register "assault rifles" and "high capacity magazines" ahead of deadline (courtesy Georgia Gun Owners, Inc. via facebook.com)

Henry Clay Aalders made this observation, re: Connecticut gun owners lining-up to register their “assault rifles” and “high capacity magazines” ahead of the deadline. Harsh. But fair? Would YOU register your rifle and mag if you lived in the Constitution State?

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  1. Constitution State … oh, the irony.

    1. avatar Biofire says:

      Good one!

    2. avatar RobGR says:

      So true.

    3. avatar Jay Wolf says:

      “Camp Mentality” defined as It can’t happen here, as it’s happening.

  2. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    should I make a gender and racial observation or would that be impolite? This is what needs to be the msg. to our members of congress and state legislatures. maybe a side by side image with some Nazi footage of Jews lining up. Harsh, but hey . . . .

    1. avatar RobGR says:

      How is it harsh, next is confiscation. We all know this, it’s happening/happened in NYC. There are a series of events that have a specific goal, if you do not stop, assess and deviate, you will be part of the final solution. What is the final solution, it is confiscation. A man that has no weapon to protect himself and his family from domestic and foreign tyranny, no sovereignty, under complete control from the government is not a man, he is a servant, possibly even a slave. But even though we have “weapons” the oligarchy rules this great Country with a false two party system that maintains a status quo. The Republic is dead. The Bill of Rights do not exist for the individual, it is now plainly obvious it is merely a piece of paper that holds no bearing on how politicians, lawyers, judges, or LEO conduct their official posts.

      It’s easy to sit here and say “No I would not!”, but these are law abiding citizens with families, they abide by the law even though the tyrants in office have past a law that is 100% against 2A. Will there be criminals, felons, gang bangers in that line, ha, of course not! I hate to say it, but I would be in that line, why, b/c I have a wife, a beautiful daughter, a job, and although it makes me sick to my stomach, I would comply….. it’s pathetic.

      1. avatar Myshkin says:

        I was going to make a similar post yesterday. Most people here, myself included, would comply. I’m seeing a lot of writings on the Web, insulting the people in that line, but all of the “Molon Labe” types would do the same.

        Why does everyone here submit to applying for CCWs if they’re all about exercising their rights without doing what the state tells them?

        1. avatar Jonathan -- Houston says:

          Why? I’ll tell you why: because people value privileges more than they do rights. Strip bare a right, re-wrap it as a privilege, and people will line up to pay for it. They’ll brag about it. Fawn over it. Admire themselves in the mirror for it.

          With concealed carry licenses, they feel exceptional, special, maybe even chosen. Plastic card-packing paladins, they consider themselves. And it doesn’t end there. No longer content to differentiate themselves from non-licensees, in some places, like MS, they offer so-called super permits. Get some additional training, and you get the privilege of carrying where “regular” licensees may not.

          But here’s the thing, CHL’s typically don’t regard their fundamental right at risk. They see their right transformed into a privilege, or at least have a privilege tacked onto their right. However, none of these men registering their household, self-defense firearms in CT can claim a privilege out of this process. On the contrary, they feel picked on, put upon, singled out and beaten down. And they’re grimly aware that worse than this being the beginning of the end, this isn’t even the end of the beginning.

        2. avatar Cliff H says:

          Jonathan – I agree with you about the CHL issue, up to a point. I have posted here before about Constitutional Carry and about my concerns at having jumped through the (illegal/unconstitutional) hoops in Washington to get my CPL.

          But considering the legal shit-storm the government can bring down on your head if you carry without the CPL and the fact that you will very likely wind up in prison and without ANY of your rights available for that period and possibly afterwards, it seems a barely tolerable trade-off. At least they have not demanded that I register my guns, yet. That would put me in a quandary and probably start me packing for a move to a non-slave state.

          In the meantime I console myself with being a partisan resistance fighter pretending to go along with their unconstitutional laws while working at every opportunity to throw the bastards out on their asses. I couldn’t do that very well from inside a prison.

          There may well come a day when we will have to choose to live as free men fighting for liberty or on our knees as slaves. The day is not yet. I want to be available to the cause should that time come, not someone they need to rescue from a camp.

        3. avatar Mack Bolan says:

          @ Cliff H

          Illegally carrying of a concealed weapon is a misdemeanor in most places. The govt. shit storm that was unleashed upon me consisted of a ticket and fine and the confiscation of my firearm and shoulder rig.

        1. avatar Rick says:

          Jay,

          How is it “honest” to submit to an immoral law? For what other natural rights do citizens need to beg for permission to exercise?

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      There is a very famous picture of Jews lined up and waiting to approach tables of Nazis with typewriters to be processed before being shipped to the camps. Try as I might I cannot find this picture on the Internet or in any of my reference books, but it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard of these lines in CT.

      Isn’t there some potential 5th Amendment issue about self-incrimination at play here?

      1. avatar T-DOG says:

        Not what you were thinking of. But you get the point.

        “The Jews were ordered to report to the police station in Tas-Majdan for registration. In the photograph, some of the Jews are already wearing the Jewish badge.”

        http://tinyurl.com/lhewpcr

    3. avatar shawn says:

      You do know it was not just jews who lined up. 12 million were killed in camps. 6 million non jews are included in that number.

  3. avatar MiketheHopsFarmer says:

    Not on your life. Or mine. Or any gun owning friend’s life. What I MIGHT do is build and register 1 compliant one so I can be seen at the range, but for what I already own? “Got sold, what you mean the new owners didn’t register them?”

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      I’m inclined to agree with this course of action. But then, that’s why he and I are friends. We think a lot alike.

    2. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      Why lie?
      “They’re in storage in a location outside of your authority to regulate them.”
      Since the 2nd Amendment precludes any authority they may try to claim, your un-registered guns could be in a closet next to where they’re standing and you wouldn’t be lying.

  4. avatar Bill says:

    I would become an instant felon post-deadline.

    1. avatar johnnosk says:

      If you didn’t register your firearms… How would the government know?

      1. avatar Jonathan -- Houston says:

        Jilted girlfriend, nosy neighbor, liberal in-law, paid tipster, plea bargainer. And those are just individuals around you. That doesn’t even count the search engines or ISP’s turning over your history and emails, the credit card companies turning over your purchase transactions, data mining of the social media sites, or the NSA eavesdropping on your conversations.

        Did you know it’s possible to listen through your cell phone when it’s just sitting there, as if it were on speaker phone, but when it’s not even on a call? Same with the video. They’ve used that capability against insurgents in Iraq. So they may learn of your gun ownership from…..you.

  5. avatar dook says:

    Guns, what guns? I don’t own any guns. I’m just here for the insightful articles.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      And the (occasional) Isreali supermodel.

  6. avatar Ralphie says:

    No good deed will ever
    go unpunished

    1. avatar Myshkin says:

      I like the way that was phrased in one of my favorite lines from Ronin: “At the end of the day we are likely to be repaid for our kindnesses.”

  7. avatar Keith in TX says:

    No, I would not register, I would move to a state that did not require such.

  8. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    Nope wouldn’t do it. Would get my items stored somewhere else.

    1. avatar S.CROCK says:

      that is a ca mindset. if it wasn’t for the boating accident, i would do that to.

  9. avatar Tom says:

    How many of the comments above come from someone in CT? It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and say you would or wouldn’t do something, but facing a felony conviction is a serious thing. Everyone in CT had to make their own decision. Some registered, many did not. No one not faced with the decision should judge anyone. It’s an asinine law. It’s an unconstitutional law. But, for now, it’s the law.

    1. avatar Keith in TX says:

      25 years ago I moved to Texas for reasons lessor than this.
      If Texas passed a gun registration law I’d be moving again.

      1. avatar Scott says:

        As a life long Texan until moving to Arkansas three years ago I don’t think you will see this type of thing unless it’s Federally ordered and Texan’s would fight to the death to protect their gun rights! I know I would move back to Texas to join the fight.

        Long live the rights of the people!

    2. avatar Jay in Florida says:

      It also called Non compliance.
      Id be guilty and have been in NY for many of the years that I lived there.

    3. avatar Jonathan -- Houston says:

      That’s just something that people who are ashamed of themselves say. Plenty of men here have lived enough years, faced enough hardship and made enough tough decisions of all kinds to know damn well what they would or would not do and what they are or not capable of. Men in CT can make their own decisions and live with the consequences. Some of which may include the deep disapproval of outside observers and history’s harsh judgment.

    4. avatar MiketheHopsFarmer says:

      I’m already committing several felonies a day already, what’s one more?
      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842

      1. avatar Michael B. says:

        +1

    5. avatar Totenglocke says:

      “It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and say you would or wouldn’t do something, but facing a felony conviction is a serious thing. ”

      It’s also an easy thing to pack up and move to a state that doesn’t actively persecute people for believing in the Constitution. Just as I tell people who praise socialism / communism that they should go to an existing socialist / communist hell hole instead of screwing up the US, those who live in Soviet states should be moving to free states and have no one to blame but themselves for staying. It’s a choice and to claim that they’re “victims” when they had plenty of opportunities to GTFO is laughable.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        So, when are you leaving the US totesack? You’ve never made a favorable comment about your home country and if I remember correctly you stated you’d like New Zealand, if it weren’t for the gun laws.

        Move there and work to change the laws. Practice what you preach.

      2. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Moving is an easy thing to do if you live in your car.

        1. avatar Cliff H says:

          Moving from a community where you have a good job and established roots cannot be considered an easy thing for many of these individuals, but then living as a subject in a slave state is not any easy thing to bear either.

          The only reason these people are complying as we seen in the photo is that they are not yet in agreement as to the potentially severe consequences of submitting to this unconstitutional legislation and are instead more concerned with the short-term consequences that defying the law would bring. One can only hope that should things get to the break down doors/confiscation/go to jail point they will still have time to get out before it is too late.

          Should that happen watch for State Police checkpoints at the major highways leaving the state checking for “illegal” weapons so they can arrest and prosecute you before you leave their jurisdiction.

      3. avatar S.CROCK says:

        in what universe is it easy to pack up and move? it is hard enough to shuffle things around in your own house to get new carpet. not to mention leaving the things like family, friends, jobs, etc.

      4. avatar muh says:

        “those who live in Soviet states should be moving to free states and have no one to blame but themselves for staying.”

        Give me a Greencard and i’ll be in the US in a week. unfortunately its not easy to move to a gun friendly, freedom loving place. especially if you want to escape the EU-facism, too.
        (i assuemed you meant foreign soviet states. in the US you’ll find no single state which comes even close to the many soviet-like states in europe.)

    6. avatar Willfightobefree says:

      Well I did not register a dam thing, its too late to turn back now and I have no desire to change my non-compliance stance either. F***em, and I say Molon Labe!

  10. avatar Pedro of NYC says:

    I would be a felon till I moved to PA
    Blackmarket here I come

  11. avatar Adub says:

    I’d store them somewhere else, or bury the magazines in the back yard, disassemble the rifle, and bury the lower receiver.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      When it is time to bury your firearms, it is time to use them.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        But not always timely. Sometimes you have to wait for the right opportunity.

        That said, if I thought it was necessary to bury my weapons to protect them and myself from a tyrannical government I would most certainly be packing my stuff and checking for non-slave states to move to.

  12. avatar ST says:

    What logical choice do they have?Assuming moving isn’t an option, they have no practical choice but to comply.

    Oh yes, the RKBA says they don’t.Fine.So don’t register .But may God and the best attorney you can afford save you should a miscreant break into your home.

    What, you shot the misguided yoote with a 15 round mag in an unregistered Glock you say?

    Two years in jail for illegal gun possession, do not pass go, do not collect $200.Oh, and thats a Federal disqualification for future gun purchases, so you won’t be replacing the safe full of hardware sitting at Police HQ right now.

    Did I mention your new record DQs you for employment ?

    Or, you can go to one Police Plaza and jump through the hoops.

    Oh, right, you’ll only register ONE gun.Except your entire home becomes a crime scene, so the police will go through your abode with a fine tooth comb after a self defense incident, even if the gun you use is “documented”.Even if you never use your weapon in a DGU, if the order comes down to seize your stuff they’re going to assumre your lying and react accordingly.

    “We realise this is the gun you’ve listed on your forms, but Emergency Decree XYZ says were stripping your home to the foundation to ensure your form is accurate.Please take off your shoes so the nice deputy can scan them .”

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      Then the miscreant gets shot with whatever the tyrant fools up there think is a legal gun. The good stuff is either hidden well on-site or at another location.

      Problem solved.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        This depends entirely on how much time and money and resources the state wants to expend to make you a “test case” in order to bully other slaves into re-thinking their idea of hiding unregistered weapons.

    2. avatar Drew says:

      Not that it wouldn’t happen but they have no right to enter your home regardless unless it is indeed being treated as a crime scene. There is the real chance they may either decide to investigate you or decide to break the law but don’t assume your rights vanish just cause there is a corpse in the foyer.

    3. avatar Defens says:

      Depending on the DA, they frequently don’t prosecute for paper violations of gun laws. The BATFE and perhaps state thugs might, but I don’t often read of instances where a “good” shoot went prosecuted for a gun law violation, except in the UK.

      I don’t plan on answering the original question on an open forum, but comparing the fairly faint chance that you’d actually use a weapon in self defense, balanced against the fact that in states with registries it’s an almost foregone conclusion that they eventually WILL come for your guns, I’d saw non-compliance is a very easy choice.

  13. avatar Jeff says:

    Register your AR. Get an 80% lower, finish it, and transfer all of the hardware from your registered AR to the new lower. When they come for your AR hand them the lower with the serial number.

    1. avatar Keith in TX says:

      Unfortunately it’s not that easy with other firearms.

      1. avatar Drew says:

        Making inserts for various poly pistols and lowers for metal framed ones isn’t that hard.

    2. avatar detroiter says:

      +1

      Don’t forget to sufficiently hide your unregistered lower……

    3. avatar S.CROCK says:

      better yet, print 50 lowers. well if you have 10k lying around.

  14. avatar tom w a glock says:

    Having lived in Massachusetts (instant 1 year prison sentence for having any firearm that isn’t licensed), I do sympathize inhabitants of Conn. Solution is to move away. Maine, New Hampshire, or most Southern states are all good bets. Terrible that it’s come to this.

  15. avatar Mack Bolan says:

    So this is what a herd of lemmings looks like? Who knew.

  16. avatar Tyler says:

    No, I would not.

  17. avatar Templar says:

    I’d likely begrudgingly register while trying to move out at my next opportunity. I’m a physician so I just have too much on the line to risk a felony conviction over.

    1. avatar bg says:

      Elitist liberal; only physicians have something to lose?

      1. avatar Templar says:

        Elitist liberal physician? Me? Laughably no, but a felony conviction in my field closes a LOT of doors and at the end of the day I have 300k+ loans to pay.

        1. avatar bg says:

          Did you remember to thank Obama for those loans?

      2. avatar Templar says:

        I really don’t understand why you’re latching onto the false notion I’m an Obama supporter. Stop foaming at the mouth, kiddo.

        1. avatar bg says:

          Ha! I’m getting bored verbally beating you libs, you make it too easy. Make up your mind, Lefty; either you’re an Obama supporter or you’re not.

      3. avatar Templar says:

        0/10 lame

        1. avatar bg says:

          That’s the best you’ve got? You’d better return those lib handouts that you used for med school.

      4. avatar H.R. says:

        Where did he say that only a physician has something to lose? Electrician, welder, 7/11 clerk, part-time waitress, or a doctor… prison would seriously hamper anyone’s plans.

        But if you want to be the guy who gives them a court case to test this with, that’s easy enough to do. Even if you don’t live in CT, you could step up and move there, then publicly refuse to register your AR and fight the legal consequences in court.

        I’m sure we here at TTAG will miss you, but at least you’ll be fighting the good fight for us.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      It’s entirely possible that you have a well-established practice (we’ll see how long Obama lets that continue), and other roots in your community, but I have been checking the want ads regularly for four months now and the one category I see no shortage of is nurses and physicians. I have to believe this is true all over the country. You have a greater ability to re-locate at will than almost any other profession.

    3. avatar ropingdown says:

      I don’t understand the insults. Failing to register your gun in CT isn’t going to advance the cause, though transferring items out of state can be done now or later: The entire 2nd Amendment cause must rely, in states like CT and NY, on supporting the litigation that arises and continuing to be politically active.

      Remaining in the state where you’ve built a practice makes sense. If the litigation by others does not succeed, it doesn’t matter what option you take. Eventually you will lose. So support the litigation with your dollars. Take an acquaintance shooting. Belong to the NRA. Above all, vote both in primaries and general elections, no matter what. You can that last bit is not needed, but turnout has not been good.

      If everybody in CT registers their MSR it will at least establish this, just how “in common use” they are compared to other particular rifle designs. CT folks are really going to have to rely on 43 or 44 other states, and on the federal courts. Chip in.

      1. avatar H.R. says:

        Point of fact, a well-respected doctor who’s a pillar of his or her community will have both more credibility and more money to contribute to supporting pro-2A litigation than many of us ever will.

  18. avatar Tommy Knocker says:

    Hey Dude, whats ya worrying about dude? Like man you can just move the line over to the Mary Jane store dude. Wow I mean like yo ! Whats better dude? All those loud guns? Man the noise is like too much. Come over to the ganja store man and pick up some Hawaiian Volcano Extreme dude….Whats with the boxcars? Do they have like boxcars of weed coming into town..Hahahha…dude that was like a joke I made…wow man … anybody gonna order pizza???? Hey Nick you gonna compete in the 3 bong competition….wow…I made another joke man…..Hahhahaha.

    http://news.yahoo.com/legal-weed-sales-bring-long-lines-colorado-072632276.html

    1. avatar Thomas Pain says:

      are you in the ‘more’ government line?
      or the ‘less’ government line?

      choose wisely.

      1. avatar Tommy Knocker says:

        My satire aside, both lines are the less govt line. Though culturally they see each other like the antipodes.

  19. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    NO!!!!!!

  20. avatar H.R. says:

    I think it’s easy for us to sit in our homes in TX, WY, SC and other free states and say “hell no, I wouldn’t comply!”
    I wonder how many people in CT said that before last year.
    And yet, there they stand.

    I think I’m in the camp of people who’d minimally comply with the law or store most of my guns with family out of state until I could get the hell out.

    1. avatar Hannibal says:

      Same thing in NY. Most people on the internet talk about not registering, yet everyone seems to know someone who has or sees people doing it at clerk’s office.

  21. avatar lolinski says:

    register a couple of MSRs and 4-6 mags for each, so that you have something for competition/plinking/SD. Hide the rest.

  22. avatar Ralph says:

    Like tom w a glock, I’m in MA where all my guns are already registered. So, yes, if I had to “re-register” my guns, I would. And why not? All my guns are MA compliant, they already know about every one of them, so I have nothing left to lose.

    OTOH, if they decided to “come for my guns,” I’d leave the state. I already have my FL, NV and NH licenses — those are the states to which I would most likely migrate — so I’d be GTG in any of them.

    1. avatar cwp says:

      If I understand Massachusetts’ bizarre laws correctly, I am required to get two residents of the state to testify to my good moral character in order to be allowed to own firearms at all. After living in the state for three years, I think I might know one person who would be willing to do so rather than recoiling at the very thought as if I was some sort of poisonous reptile.

      1. avatar doesky2 says:

        Man you need to join a shooting club or a church.

      2. avatar Greg in Allston says:

        cwp; you stated; “If I understand Massachusetts’ bizarre laws correctly, I am required to get two residents of the state to testify to my good moral character in order to be allowed to own firearms at all.”. That is PERFECTLY incorrect. It all depends on the community that you live in and the non-statutory requirements that the CLEO of said community may impose on the citizens of that jurisdiction. In MA, permit issuance is left to the sole discretion of the CLEO for a given community. In Boston, for instance, which is one of the tougher municipalities in which to get an unrestricted LTC-A, the CLEO charged with issuing permits got rid of the notarized endorsements a couple of years ago. The MA situation is arbitrary and capricious, negates due process and equal protection, and is a confusing ball of suck and fail. Most towns, and a number of cities, are in fact shall issue. A minority are “may issue”. A still smaller minority are “no issue” for lawful concealed carry. It all depends on where you live and the idiosyncrasies of the licensing authorities and their superiors.

        In all MA jurisdictions, the FID (firearms identification card), is ” shall issue” for all citizens not otherwise statutorily disqualified applicants. The FID entitles one to own “non-high-capacity” long arms. The LTC’s cover long arms and handguns. An LTC-B will enable the possessor of said license to own long arms and non-high-capacity handguns. An LTC-A will allow its possessor to own both high capacity long arms and high-capacity handguns, subject to the licensing authority’s discretion. The licensing authority may endorse the permittee to a restricted permit for “target and hunting” only (no concealed carry), or while on the job (think armored car personnel, or security guards, while working in their official/professional capacity) where again concealed carry is prohibited outside of the job, to an unrestricted permit (where restrictions on the license are listed as “None” or for “All Lawful Purposes) and allows the licensee the full measure of statutory capabilities as permitted by MA law. Does it make any sense at all? No, not really. It’s just the way it is in the Commonwealth.

      3. avatar Ralph says:

        @cwp, I’ll add a couple of things to Greg in Allston’s comment. The MA permit application requires two references, but they need not be in-state. In both towns where I’ve done business, the references were never contacted. And in one town, one of my references was my live-in GF, and I was hers.

        What town are you from? Some are virtually “shall issue.”

        If you need any help getting your LTC-A, reach me through TTAG and I’ll do whatever I can.

    2. avatar Drew says:

      Most likely they will not be informing you via the mail. At least not as they ramp up. The firs will likely be through noknock raids based on trumped charges gambling on a certain number of people being out of compliance in some way to make the grab legit. When there are enough “un fortunate incidents” they will have the grounds for a general confiscation. Wow, I don’t consider my self among the conspiracy doom and gloom types but it’s scary how plausible that sounds to me.

  23. avatar tdiinva says:

    The Gandhi method is the solution. It takes organization and courage but it can done. The Freedom Riders did it and so can gun owners. Mass public civil disobedience. You make them arrest and try you as a felon. You get even 10% of the gun owning public to do it and you kill the system. Is the state of Connecticut going to send 10,000 otherwise law abiding tax payers to jail? The state can get away with ones and twos. They can even get away with 100 separated individuals but they can’t get away with 500 in group many times over. Pick the right person and you get jury nullification and once that happens the law is unenforceable.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      Is the state of Connecticut going to send 10,000 otherwise law abiding tax payers to jail?

      They’d try.

      The state can get away with ones and twos. They can even get away with 100 separated individuals but they can’t get away with 500 in group many times over.

      Malloy could call up the Connecticut National Guard to assist in detaining and arresting groups of people in violation of the law.

    2. avatar Ralph says:

      Is the state of Connecticut going to send 10,000 otherwise law abiding tax payers to jail?

      CT doesn’t have to send anyone to jail. A suspended felony sentence wouldn’t require imprisonment. Meanwhile, the felony conviction would disqualify the poor guy from most decent jobs, and his 2A rights would be gone forever.

      The G has a lot of ways to fvck up a man’s life.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        What would MLK do? He would force them to put him in orison. Refuse probation.

        When I said they can’t jail 10000 tax payers I wasn’t talking logistics. I was talking politics.

        1. avatar Michael B. says:

          The media had his back, gave him sympathy, and broadcast images of the racists abusing him all around the nation and world. Without mass television and radio exposure, the civil rights movement wouldn’t have succeeded.

          What would the media do for a bunch of OFWGs arrested for failing to register their ARs? Laugh in their faces and have a good chuckle about it at the bar with politicians’ press secretaries.

        2. avatar doesky2 says:

          MLK had a huge % of media on his side to shame the man. Nowdays the media provides cover for the man.

          If I was in CT I would be thinking of ways to annoy, perturb, inconvenience, and generally disrupt the lives of people involved with the new laws right up to the line of being illegal. I’d be trying to personalize it and make life really ugly for the tyrants.

        3. avatar Jus Bill says:

          tdi, look at the picture of the people in the line. Note their ethnicity. Are you actually so naive as to think that the media would support those people? THEY would be tarred and feathered on the way to jail, not the authorities.

        4. avatar Ralph says:

          @td, MLK had JFK to bail him out. We don’t.

        5. avatar tdiinva says:

          Ralph:

          If King had JFK to bail it out it was because the Justice Department was snooping on him.

          Others:

          But who are these OFWGs? You assume they fit the “bitter clinger” stereotype. I bet it’s a cross section of the population. There are truckdrivers and school teachers. Blue collar types and lawyers. I wouldn’t be surprised if there weren’t a few men of the cloth there. It’s not just who they are but what they provide. 10,000 gun owners is $100 million in tax revenue to state and local government. I can see now the local high school principal being taken to the state penn for not registering his AR.

        6. avatar Anon in CT says:

          The good thing about being a Reverand is you don’t need a license to practice. For those of us that do need such a license to ply our trade, it’s a bit trickier.

        7. avatar Drew says:

          Who are those OFWGs? It dose not matter. What matters is the perception distributed by the media. Tell me this, when was the last time you saw man coverage of gun shows or rallies that didn’t focus on the worst or scariest of us? Even if they had to misrepresent what they had to show.

  24. avatar Michael B. says:

    Hide everything. Move out of the state.

  25. avatar Ryan says:

    Instead of bashing us here in CT, join us. Click the link, take a moment to read, and join our fight. Opening arguments in the case of “the people vs CT” start this month to overturn the unconstitutional laws. HELP US OUT! WE’RE ALL FIGHTING THIS TOGETHER! https://www.facebook.com/CtGunOwners/posts/248838258608987

    1. avatar H.R. says:

      Or he could move to CT, bring his AR, refuse to register it, and be the guy who makes a test case in the courts a reality.

      But I somehow doubt that he is planning to do that.

  26. avatar ThomasR says:

    Boxcars? Yep, if they were told they would get free food, a hot shower and as they walked through the gate, (Over which a sign says “work makes you free”) they would walk right into the showers because the alternative is to horrible to imagine.

    That their government is simply being what it always has been; a beast, sometimes chained, sometime muzzled, but a beast none the less. and when the chains come off, the beast will be free and the blood will flow.

    We all will see this truth once again; because this IS the nature of man; it’s what George Washington said; “Government is not reason, it is not eloquent, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      +1. Spot on.

  27. avatar JBinGA says:

    Im willing to bet after the deadline they start having checks at public and commercial ranges to find these “dangerous gun nuts” who failed to register.

  28. avatar Rob.G says:

    I’m not a bad-ass, but I am stubborn and would not comply.
    I do like the idea posed above regarding registering just one old handgun.

  29. avatar ChrisinCT says:

    You guys really don’t get the situation. The Connecticut state police have a record of all new firearm purchases (Form DPS-3) , so if you bought an AR-15 in 2010, and didn’t register it before January 1st, they know everything about you that you put on a 4473. If that’s not bad enough, the state police are giving this information to prosecutors, even though private party long gun sales don’t need to be reported to the state. So while the list of guns you own might be off a bit, they have a general idea of who has what already. If they come knocking on your door you would need to produce the bill of sale of that gun, because by law you must retain that for 20 years before you can discard it. So some good ole’ boy can poke fun at us for following the law, but not following the law gets your guns taken away much faster than complying and fighting this thing in the courts.

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      The problem with the theory of “fighting this thing in the courts” is that you are alwayswithout exception mind you — going to lose there, too. Either way you slice it, your guns are going to be taken away just as fast, and probably just as permanently, if you ever at any point abided by any of these egregious “laws”.

      1. avatar ChrisinCT says:

        I’m going to assume you’ve never heard of DC v. Heller or Chicago v. MacDonald. If I’m going to choose between the certainty of a raid today or the possibilty of a raid tomorrow, I’ll choose the latter.

  30. avatar Eric says:

    Start shooting politicians?

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      You first.

      1. avatar Anonymous says:

        Why does there have to be a first? Lets do it together.

        1. avatar John in Ohio says:

          The work goes faster when everyone helps! 😀

    2. avatar FortWorthColtGuy says:

      Why advocate killing anyone? They are evil and wrong but still children of God like you and I. Beating them in the courts and at the ballot box is much more satisfying. You get to see them squirm.

      1. avatar Michael B. says:

        I suppose we should all grovel and wait for God to right the situation, yes? Or for the rapture? Or just wait until we die so we can be finally free of the tyrants and hope they get punished in the afterlife?

        It’s like a return to the Dark Ages. Hooray!

        1. avatar FortWorthColtGuy says:

          No, we fight. We can still win this through peaceful means. The ballot box the courts, public opinion etc. The day may come for violent insurrection, but that day is not today. We need to.exhaust all other peaceful and legal means before taking the next step. Then we would have the moral high ground.

      2. avatar Mack Bolan says:

        He didn’t say kill, he said shoot. And if you shot one in the knee cap…you would also get to see them squirm. Just sayin.

      3. avatar Anonymous says:

        Beating them in the courts and at the ballot box is much more satisfying

        This is a futile effort. Government is like some grueling stew. The scum floats to the top. Honest people have no interest in power and fame. It won’t matter who you vote for.

        Voting is almost a waste of time. The mainstream media controls the low-information voters.

    3. avatar FsN says:

      That’s the kind of ignorance that gives gun owners a bad name. I sure hope the mods delete this, would hate for it to be used as an example to derail the TTAG cause.

      1. avatar bg says:

        MDAMAIG agent, perhaps?

      2. avatar Anonymous says:

        It’s called “freedom” FSN.

      3. avatar Ross says:

        FsN,

        Did I miss something? It was my understanding that the Second Amendment was there to ensure We the People would always be able to resist Tyranny.

        1. avatar Anonymous says:

          No Ross, according to FsN, it apparently, is for appearances sake only.

        2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

          Defense against tyranny
          Self defense
          Home defense
          Defense of property
          Defense of life
          Defense of country

          All euphemisms for shooting people, just saying.

  31. avatar Ross says:

    To answer your question Robert, no I would NOT register any firearm, part or magazine.

  32. avatar Cogline says:

    I would if I hadn’t lost all of mine in a boating accident a while back.

    But seriously, I would hope to get 1 person on the jury that would understand their obligation to exercise jury nullification.

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      I wouldn’t count on it.

  33. avatar Excedrine says:

    Q: Would YOU register your rifle and mag in the Constitution State?

    A: Hell to the NO.

    Never ever, in the history of ever, would I ever abide by such a law. There is not a soul on all of God’s green Earth, wielding any existing or future force of any kind, that could ever make me abide by such a law, either.

    There is a phrase here that perfectly encapsulates this sentiment, but I need not repeat it. Not for the Armed Intelligencia anyway, ’cause you folks are the only ones who will guess it correctly.

    Next question.

  34. avatar Sixpack70 says:

    I would do what I did when I lived in MA for two years. All of my “high capacity military style assault magazine clips” or non-compliant stuff was left with my parents. It was annoying as hell. Imagine not having any magazines for one of your favorite pistols because none were available online or in the state.

    It was also annoying having to get a LTC-A just for the privilege to own my guns. Luckily I was in a good town and the police chief gave me an LTC-A right off the bat.

    Once I figured out the laws then I bought some neat guns and pre-ban magazines. My middle finger purchase was a Saiga 12 I made last spring. I am sure if the MA AG saw a Saiga 12 she would immediately ban it for the children. Even though it only holds 5 rounds. Once I left the state and moved to Kansas, I modified my EBRs to free state status and picked up all of my “high capacity military style assault magazine clips”.

    Non-compliance would ruin my life and that is what they are hoping it does to people. Make gun ownership so painful that people give up. The thing is, I would keep doing what I could to fight it.

  35. avatar FortWorthColtGuy says:

    We are going to need a bigger boating accident.

    Seriously, I would register some until I could escape, but not all.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      Perhaps RF can arrange a TTAG cruise of the Caribbean? We can all sign up, have a good vacation, and report that unfortunately the container all our weapons were secured in on board somehow fell overboard in the Bermuda Triangle. Damn.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        All of us one one targ….eh, I mean ship? In deep water with no witnesses around? I don’t know if that’s such a good idea. Not saying that I don’t trust barry, slow joe, kapo bloomberg etc. Well actually, no, I don’t trust them.

      2. avatar noofus says:

        Yeah, actually we did that last summer. It was a real low-key unofficial last-minute affair; I paid in cash. Unfortunately, I had a spot of bad luck, and my sack o’ guns slid off the stern as I was trying to photograph some dolphins.

        1. avatar jwm says:

          So you’re the one that’s been smuggling guns to the Dolphin Liberation Front.

  36. avatar Don says:

    what rifle?

  37. avatar AnAnonymousGuy says:

    I don’t actually own any guns, I just read TTAG for the articles…

  38. avatar PNG says:

    Easy to say no when you’re not there. If it were me, I’d probably register some just so I don’t get caught as an autofelon, then start looking for a real “constitution state” to move to soon thereafter. If it happens elsewhere or federally after moving, then it’s time to hide the stash Aussie style.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Why would you register ANY, if you were moving soon? Just to be an obedient little slave?

      1. avatar PNG says:

        Ideally, of course I wouldn’t. Realistically, I would not risk my RKBA anywhere just to prove a point until I move to a better place. On second thought, you’re right, if moving was the next step, no need for the Conncommies to ever know. No harm, no foul.

        1. avatar Drew says:

          If you register one and it ever becomes an issue chances are they will know about the others and having registered that one won’t save you.

      2. avatar shawn says:

        WB will you or anyone support the family if the gun owner did not register and got caught?

  39. avatar One If By Land says:

    It does look eerily similar to other instances of men lining up after having their liberty….and sovereignty, taken from them…

    http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/97836_37831.html

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      But hopefully not their dignity. Because if that is taken from them we are well and truly doomed.

  40. avatar William Burke says:

    They already ARE in the boxcar line! No, OF COURSE I would NOT register any of mine.

  41. avatar jwm says:

    Nobody, including these hot air internet commandos are going to risk a felony conviction over an assualt rifle when they can legally own handguns, shotguns and rifles of all make and discription. You can still own your assualt rifle by simply registering it.

    This panty wetting hyperbole about cattle cars and Molon Labe looks kind of silly when you can still own the offending article.

    The minutemen faced an army that was on the march to take their guns.
    get back to me when that day comes. In the mean time, nut up and keep the fight going. Give money to gun rights orgs. e mail pols and yuck it up with all those that will listen.

    I have a range date with a newb coming up(Feb fits both our schedules). He’s never fired a handgun and wants to get started. That’s how we win this fight.

    1. avatar Pascal says:

      +1000000

      Finally, someone who is willing to fight

    2. avatar Michael B. says:

      The minutemen forced an army to come and try to take their guns and powder because they wouldn’t comply with the Crown’s wishes. Poor analogy.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        The crown wasn’t the freely elected government of the colonies either.

        1. avatar Michael B. says:

          We were legally subjects of the crown and Britain had a parliament in which we did have some limited representation.

          Fact of the matter is that the revolutionaries were a bunch of spoiled malcontents who didn’t want to pay Britain for its help in the French and Indian War nor for their continued protection from Indian attacks. And thank god for that and for them.

        2. avatar Jus Bill says:

          The Crown and the bulk of the army was on the other side of a very large ocean at that time. And the Crown was also sparring with France, who was just across the Channel from them. Crack a book.

        3. avatar Michael B. says:

          I’m pointing out why JWM’s analogy was a bad one and having a discussion with him, not suggesting a revolution. Improve your reading comprehension skills.

        4. avatar jwm says:

          Yes, my analagy was a bad one and no. it’s not time for an armed revolution. Yet. What we need is a legal and electoral revolution. And for gun owners to actually stand together and not eat our own because of faith or race or gender or 101 other petty excuses to turn on one another.

        5. avatar Cliff H says:

          According to Thomas Jefferson in his autobiography the designation as “British Subjects” was rather by acclimation than by any other means, the majority of the colonists having ties and/or roots in England. He personally felt no specific loyalty to England or the crown and this was especially so when the Parliament attempted to rule the colonies from afar in a manner not exercised in any other British colony anywhere in the world.

          The attempt to disarm the colonists was just the final straw. The discord had been brewing for a long time.

  42. avatar Pascal says:

    First off, many in CT are already doing what many have stated including moving out of state.

    As some have already pointed out, all guns have DPS-3, they already know what you have so what is the point of not registering. The does not apply if and only if you keep the guns and high cap mags in your house.

    Beat up CT gun owners all you want, if we stop the fight, the 49 other states were they can go. They will approach each state like CO. One legislator at a time. We have yet to see what the new Democratic gov. Of VA will do, many say nothing, I say you are all wrong, he will nominate and get plenty of anti-gun judges and prosecutors. They will take away the courts.

    I find it laughable that nobody want to fight and only move away, eventually there will be no place left to move to. No, better to fight and only after all is lost, fight some more.

    Bloomberg et Al will fight until he is dead or runs out of money.

    That said, I understand the sentiments, I don’t agree about not fighting.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      “As some have already pointed out, all guns have DPS-3, they already know what you have so what is the point of not registering.”

      If this statement is true, what is the point of requiring citizens to line up at an official station and register their weapons? The state already knows what you have.

    2. avatar Drew says:

      They know what you bought not what you have. Significant difference.

  43. avatar David says:

    How about become a cop – preferably sheriff – and get around the law that way 🙂

    Then you could form a posse to help you go after all those who would not follow “the law”. You are going to need lots of cutting edge weapons to do such and a department letter head plus tax payer money will help you do just that. Then you could arrest any and everyone – including/especially cops who would enforce unjust “laws”.

    Face it folks we can’t all punk out to Switzerland. Molon Labe is a recipe for failure. Showing up at the other guy’s house is how you win.

    1. avatar Jack in the Crack says:

      +1

  44. avatar Shire-man says:

    I left state 6 years ago because of guns and taxes. All 2013 I was getting calls from old friends and relatives begging me to home their contraband like Anne Frank.

    There is no good reason to stay in a state that hates you. Not family not money not some fantasy concept of loyalty or patriotism.

    Just leave. The best any of the people of the gun can hope to achieve by staying is a slight opinion shift in 50 years.

    Other states in the brink of being lost need you to shore up their numbers. We cant hold the territory we have if we keep fragmenting.

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      YES! Find the states where you can tip the balance to pro-gun and move there.

      Please, if you really need to understand the argument, read “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand. You may not agree with all of her social philosophy, but her political analysis is spot on. The only way to defeat the Statists is to stop supporting them with your personal industry and taxes. Go Galt and let them drown in their own socialism.

  45. avatar Anmut says:

    I think enough men and woman gave their lives to protect the 2nd Amendment that we wouldn’t be afraid of a “felony.” But whatever, I’m just a keyboard cowboy living in a free state.

  46. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    I’d be out like a fat kids playing dodgeball…

    And, don’t say you can’t move, I’ve lived in four different states, you can move if you wanted to, you just don’t want to.

  47. avatar CA.Ben says:

    I live in CA, we have extensive registries here. Yes I comply. In 2016 I am moving to Texas, so I am not going to risk my RKBA there by being stupid here.

  48. avatar SamEnderby says:

    The Holocaust didn’t start with the gas chambers. It started with lines to register your firearms – exactly like this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLdRz5pF7s

  49. avatar Anonymous says:

    I would rather be arrested than register my firearm and mags. When they are done punishing me for the victimless crimes I could then begin punishing them for making a victim and a criminal out of me, taking my gun rights away, etc. Vengeance would be sought.

  50. avatar Dallassoxfan says:

    Romans 13. I don’t see much choice to registering. Confiscation starts happening and I head for the hills.

    Glad I live in TX.

      1. avatar Keith in TX says:

        Was great. But not all is lost, there’s still hope.
        Maybe next session Texas can catch up with Oklahoma gun laws.

    1. avatar Anonymous says:

      “Despotic governments can stand ‘moral force’ till the cows come home; what they fear is physical force.”
      ― George Orwell

      Also… If God’s plan is to enslave me… There are plenty of other gods and religions I can be worshiping.

  51. avatar Cubby123 says:

    The showers are over this direction,take yor clothes off so we can wash them and……

  52. avatar Anonymous says:

    When this happened in California, I didn’t register my AR-15.

  53. avatar Cubby123 says:

    When I got my full auto Thompson ,I bought another 100 round drum.What were you saying about California and Conneticut ?

  54. avatar Tom says:

    We have seen how much willpower there is in America with Connecticut. When they get the guns,it will be a very short time before freedom of speech and other rights will be banned or abridged. That too will be for the children and for public welfare. If thousands of Connecticut gun owners defied these laws,yes they can prosecute them,clog the courts up and send the National Guard. But the governor will really look like a jackbooted fascist regardless if the media gives him cover.

  55. avatar John says:

    This is what separates free men from subjects. I can understand why they registered them. They have their families to look out for. We all make choices in our life. I made mine years ago and it will not change. I will never register my firearms……. the govt knows I have them, if they want to take the time to dig. It is the principle of the matter because I have purchased most through dealers, I have used a credit card to buy ammo over the net and I have discussed firearms on the net. It is no secret that I own firearms to anyone who has data mining capabilities ( and, wow, does the govt have that ability). It is easy to talk tough over the keyboard, but at some point you have to decide if you are a free man or subject. I will be a free man till the day I die, there are some things you cannot compromise on. It is your personal choice, choose wisely.

  56. avatar Anonymous says:

    I’m looking at the picture above for this article and imagining each one of those people in line with a Molotov cocktail. If only each of those 20,000 gun owners in CT took with them a Molotov cocktail on their way to get an “ammo certificate” – oh how things would have been different.

  57. avatar Dave s says:

    In Washington, all handguns are registered upon purchase from the dealer so most of our handguns are well documented. Would expect long arms will soon follow.

    thinking caching should become a common art form

  58. avatar ML says:

    The level of acquiescence demonstrated by the numerous replies to this thread clearly demonstrate why our 2nd Amendment “privileges” are steadily eroding away.

    “The average man doesn’t want to be free. He wants to be safe.”
    – Menchen

    1. avatar Keith in TX says:

      The question is still on the table.
      Would YOU register your rifle and mag if you lived in the Constitution State?

    2. avatar H.R. says:

      Anyone participating in this discussion is free to go to Connecticut tomorrow and make a stand. It’s right there waiting. Connecticut has been right where it is for a couple centuries, so I think even if took you a few weeks to make the move, it would still be there.

      If people really are such ardent supporters of the Second Amendment, I’d think that they’d welcome the chance to roll into CT and pick a fight with the powers that be.

      1. avatar Keith in TX says:

        Keep us informed on how your move to Connecticut works out.

        1. avatar H.R. says:

          Maybe both of us could just hop on the bus of hardcore non-compromisers who are already on the way to Connecticut to get themselves arrested and prosecuted so they can get this overturned.

  59. avatar John in Ohio says:

    I could not, in good conscience, register my weapon. I wouldn’t be comfortable judging anyone that, although they disagreed with registration, felt that they had little viable choice. Now, those who agree with registration and would encourage others to register with glee; I would have no problem considering traitorous scum.

  60. avatar Cubby123 says:

    Firearm Owners Protection Act,Article18 ,Chapter 926A – GunRegistration in the United States ,It is against Federal Law….Go Read It!
    2nd Amendment Foundation…successfully sued Illinois and forced those idiots politicians to enact “Will Issue” Conceal Carry AND Open Carry!
    They are currently,( looks like successfully) suing California over over ten day wait period.
    You need to join the 2nd Amendment Foundation,NRA-ILA and GOA and invest some time and Money to these Lobby groups that are like minded.That’s the best thing you can do.
    I live in Nevada,I work around full auto guns,at an indoor range,I carry a 3.2 inch barrel 13 shot 1911 with high tech ammo every day both concealed and open carry.I talk with people from all over the world who are amazed at the Privilege ( RIGHT) we have to not only own but carry guns.I am an NRA member and NRA CCW instructor and very proud of it. Every Liberal Who opposes gun ownership or registration ,when asked about their knowledge or resume on firearms gives you the “dear eyes in the headlight stare”
    They Are Clueless!!!,They don’t even know what they don’t even know! Yet they will comment on this site and others to exercise Their rights to be Stupid on the topic they criticize .Free Country!( thanks to Firearms).
    If more firearm owners would get involved,become local lobbyists join Lobby groups and give what time and dollars you can afford ,you wouldn’t have politicians like those in CT getting away with passing Illegal laws.Or plan on Moving.I Did,from California 30 years ago.I don’t miss it at all,yes you have to adjust but you can?I have all the “collectible ” firearms I always wanted and I am working on more and I am not restricted on anything.
    I will always oppose groups of ignoramuses like MDA and MAiG ,BRADY and whoever else wants to step on the Constitution.They can voice their opinions but so can we.We ,have the Law on our side ,They,break federal Law every single day,that’s why they need to get their asses whopped in court.
    Meanwhile ,I continue to build my collection,If you don’t like it,duly noted,pass the coffee please!

  61. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

    Turn the gas block backwards on an AR15. It is now bolt action and laws regarding “semi-automatic” rifles no longer apply to it.

  62. avatar Joe Simeone says:

    The liberal parts of the country want to outlaw guns and at the same time are making pot legal. Does this make sense, to the libs it does get them hooked on dope and the druggies will follow us liberals to the end of freedom……haaa haa ha….laughs the lefties.

  63. avatar Joe Simeone says:

    It’s only Ct., it’s only NY, it’s only Ma……. sounds familiar, the same was said when Hitler started outlawing this and then that guns then people who he hated until no one left to fight back and nothing to fight with, and now we are going to let it happen here….. have we learned nothing!!!!!

  64. avatar shawn says:

    All of you who are making insults for registering guns…open your homes to these people so they can move…oh wait that would not happen.

  65. avatar Louis says:

    And without a doubt, they’ll all be asking “how could this happen?” when the state deems their registered firearms “no longer acceptable ” Ala California or Canada.

  66. avatar Carry.45 says:

    Hell ya. Looks like CT is just trying to organize a meet and greet. Conversation for days.

  67. avatar cubby123 says:

    If you were smart ,you put your guns in a GUN TRUST,use a New Hampshire or Nevada trust,I am not a lawyer so you will have to research it yourself

  68. avatar junkman says:

    Hell no–this is no different than Germany 1935. When ‘they’ know where the guns are ‘they’ will come & take them.

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