Guns of the [Most Recent] Mexican Revolution

"Fuerzas autodefensas" or the Mexican citizen militia (courtesy businessinsider.com.au)

As we reported earlier, Mexico is in the throes of a revolution. Thousands of so-called “vigilantes” have taken control of areas of extreme lawlessness, rejecting the federal government’s “protection.” The Mexican citizen militia – for that is what it is – have armed themselves with whatever comes to hand. They’re capturing firearms from the cartels, police and military and bringing out guns that have been squirreled away for years, hidden from the government ever since the federales turned their back on their citizens’ Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Make the jump for more images of the guns of the Mexican militias . . .

Mexican citizen militias arm checkpoints against both cartel members and the military into their village (courtesy aljezeera.com)

Whatever comes to hand (courtesy newsmaxworld.com)

"Fighting between vigilantes and the Templar cartel raged for more than three hours on January 12 in downtown Nueva Italia before the militia was able to claim victory." (caption and photo courtesy aljezeera.com)

Handguns too (courtesy businessinsider.com.au)

"On January 11, vigilantes detained three teenagers after they stole a car from a journalist. They were allegedly working for the Templar cartel as "punteros", or watchers, and had set fire to two trucks on the road to Antunez." (caption and photo courtesy aljazeera.com)

Mexican militia man with big mag (courtesy thetimes.co.uk)

Mexican "vigilante" armed with shotgun (courtesy insightcrime.org)

comments

  1. avatar Nine says:

    Is that an Auto 5 in #3?

    1. avatar Vhyrus says:

      Looks that way to me.

    2. avatar jwm says:

      Could be an A5 or the Remington copy model 11 or the savage varient.

    3. avatar Guy says:

      It’s the Savage copy, if the stock and forend, the finish, and the mag tube nut can be trusted.

  2. avatar ready,fire,aim says:

    the people speak…

    1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      …with a loud and boisterous voice…

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        …And will not be denied!

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          So, will they appoint some generalissimo and start the cycle all over again, or might there be a possibility that they might adopt something like the Constitution? (AFAIK, they don’t have “constitutional rights” at the moment, right?)

  3. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

    Looks like a militia is necessary for the security of a free state after all.

    1. avatar USMCVeteran says:

      +1000

    2. avatar SteveInCO says:

      Now where the heck did you get such a fool idea? (/sarcasm)

    3. avatar Samuel Leoon Suggs says:

      Um, excuse me but CNN said insurrectionism was perverted.

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        When it comes to perversion, CNN is the expert.

    4. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

      I am steeling that line!

    5. avatar Marine 03 says:

      Damn that was beautiful ErrantVenture11. I spent a month touring Mexico in 1993 in a Cessna 182. I was with a Mexican national who was a medical doctor and asked him once why everyone was so poor in a country so rich in natural resources. He said 2 words to me……”Bad Government.” I never forgot that.

    6. avatar Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      Aside from some poor trigger discipline it seems that they’re fairly well-regulated as well..

  4. avatar UofUDavid says:

    I can see pride in their eyes overwhelming the fear.

    1. avatar DisThunder says:

      There you go. I was having a hard time putting into words what the expressions on their faces were trying to tell.
      I have to be honest, I get a little emotional looking at these pictures. There’s something really powerful going on.

  5. avatar ropingdown says:

    There is hope. And I repeatedly notice on the “Borderland Beat” blog the following: The cartel photos feature lots of very young guys. The ‘vigilantes’ photos often show older guys. There’s a theme: Thugs recruit the young because they are…recruitable, reckless and hell bent on impressing their peers, and possessed of no reluctance to be violent.

    The only way to displace the pandemic corruption of the governing class in Mexico is to supplant them from below. It’s obvious. It’s overdue. It is disgusting to see the government essentially collaborate with the cartels in order to preserve the status quo. Reminds me of Chicago.

    1. avatar JeffR says:

      Unfortunately, Chicago doesn’t have enough old guys with firearms to put up a fight.

      1. avatar Nigil says:

        Hopefully us younguns will take of business then. I eagerly await my CCW permit, and am trying to decide if my next purchase should be a Mini-14 or an AR pistol.

        1. avatar CA.Ben says:

          Mini for practicality, or AR pistol to piss off the antis…

          Hard choice indeed.

    2. avatar IdahoPete says:

      And keep in mind the reason the Mexican government has always supported the mass movement of young males to the US to find work. Not only do they send US dollar remittances back to their families in Mexico, they represent the “revolutionary class” in Mexico. Their gov’t (usually the PRI – “Party of the Institutionalized Revolution”) does not want anyone else fomenting a non-institutionalized revolution.

      So these older guys who have had it with the cozy government/cartel partnership are the worst fear of the Mexican gov’t.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        And Holder.

  6. avatar Ben says:

    What’s going on in #5?

    1. avatar Vhyrus says:

      Epic loogie + 1000 yard stare

    2. avatar mark says:

      the mouse over says they are car thieves that were reported to work for the cartels.

      1. avatar Ben says:

        Thanks, I didn’t notice that.

  7. avatar BDub says:

    As the saying indicates, this is the “good men doing something” part. ¡Viva la Revolución!

    I don’t suppose I will be hearing from my president on how we need to arm and supply these “freedom fighters”?…no, didn’t think so.

  8. avatar peirsonb says:

    My only prayer is that the U.S. stays the hell out of this fight. Not out of some “pointless war” point of view, but from a historical viewpoint that freedom won is generally more cherished than freedom given. It will be bloody and U.S. military intervention would most definitely save the lives of Mexican civilians but I do believe the end result will be a much more stable (and free) government than if we marched in and handed the revolutionaries the keys.

    1. avatar Ruun says:

      I wouldn’t be opposed to dropping equipment over the towns with militias.

    2. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

      I’m cynical enough to believe that when (not if) the US government meddles in the situation, it will to prop up the corrupt government and military, because the types of silk pantywaists that graduate from Ivy League schools and go into government like to have “order.” It doesn’t matter if it is corrupt and oppressive order, they just like predictability.

      A grassroots revolution that overthrows a corrupt government isn’t tidy or orderly. The stripey-pants set at the US State Department tend to lose bladder control when armed mobs start taking down governments. They then start clutching at their strings of pearls and asking for the US military and TLA’s to “do something.”

      Unless they’re funded and staffed by Salafists, in which case all is OK and we’ll give armed uprising some really cool arms.

      1. avatar peirsonb says:

        I don’t disagree with a single thing you said. Still, a boy can dream….

    3. avatar DisThunder says:

      We’re already quite, quite involved. We’re just arming the bad guys.

  9. avatar KCK says:

    looks like hunting shotguns are the majority of the weapons in the photos. I hope they are using slugs to get at least a little range.
    These are the people whom we should be arming fast and furiously.

    1. avatar Nine says:

      Can you get slugs in Mexico?

      1. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

        Not sure, but I did recently watch an interesting animated documentary about a hispanic food truck driver who adopts a really fast snail.

      2. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

        Yes you can, most of the ones I found on google were sea slugs.

      3. avatar LongBeach says:

        I believe that when fired from a Mexican shotgun, they are known as slogas.

    2. avatar jwm says:

      A determined and ruthless man with a shotgun can get himself an AK and a chrome plated 1911. Ambush and then strip the bodies of the cartel or federales. You may get both in the same ambush.

      1. avatar lolinski says:

        Imagine what the same man can get with the AK and 1911, especially if he has like-minded friends.

        I’m loving it. The middle f’ing up both sides majorly.

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      Men who have something to fight for with shotgun are scarier than men who hide in the barracks with M16s.

    4. avatar Rick says:

      I’m thinking that every cartel member taken down is a source of supply.

      “Take down a cartel member, upgrade your weapon.”

  10. avatar Mediocrates says:

    I love it. Don’t eff with the good people of Mexico.

  11. avatar Eric says:

    “They’re […] bringing out guns that have been squirreled away for years, hidden from the government ever since the federales turned their back on their citizens’ Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

    Wait, what? The Mexican constitution has a Second Amendment equivalent?

    1. avatar Hal says:

      Sure does, though you’d never know it.

  12. avatar Hal says:

    God’s speed Mexico!!!! Drag out every elected official, cartel member, government bureaucrat, federale and member of the Army and execute them all… the whole stinking lot of them. The entire system is rotten from top to bottom, so toss it out. Your country is in desparate need of a purge, and righteth soon. When you’re done, draft a new constitution based on ours but address the loopholes that have allowed U.S. leaders to undermine it. Put us to shame and give us something to strive towards!!! Let’s spread some liberty in North America.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      This! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

    2. avatar William Burke says:

      They could start with the Constitution of the Iroquois Federation; ours is based upon it, in part.

      1. avatar bastiches says:

        Highly disputed and no contemporary text during the constitutional convention to validate the claim.

        Further, representational and constitutional government was well understood by european contemporaries. It wasn’t an invention of the native americans.

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      Your revolution, with all the public official executing, sounds a lot like a French or Russian one. How’d those work out?

      1. avatar Hal says:

        I’d inject french revolution style change into Mexico in a second. Their current government and system needs to be destroyed. Period. The line between the government and organized crime no longer exists. It is an imminent threat to our national security, and a daily affront to the liberty of all Mexicans. Tear it down. The very idea of reforming the current system is f*cking laughable.

        A free Mexico, espoused in liberty, is good for Mexicans and good for the continent.

  13. avatar Marine 03 says:

    This almost brings a tear to my eye! Damn, the Mexicans are showing us how it’s done! I hope the U.S. government is taking note. When the Feds become corrupt it is a true injustice worthy of death! Mexican government officials have historically been corrupt but they took it too far. They forgot they are outnumbered 1000 to 1 and that a pissed off citizenry when finally provoked enough will storm over them like ants over a melting M&M. I truly hope Obama is taking careful note of how societies can deal with tyranny if pushed too far. Tell me again how our government in the United States ISN’T hoarding ammo in fear of insurrection….tell me that lie again!!

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      You just described the movie, “ANTS”. Great movie that every Person of the Gun should see. And if you’ve seen it, you should see it again.

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      I don’t think the NSA has gotten around to archiving Mexico’s communications. Yet.

  14. avatar LJM says:

    Freedom.

  15. avatar BradN says:

    This is what the 2nd Amendment is all about. This is what the phrase “a well regulated militia” is referring to.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      You betcha!

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      CORRECT!

  16. avatar William Burke says:

    “Vigilante” is what people call others who have a necessity to take care of their own problems, because those who should be taking care of it, aren’t.

    That spit shot is really cool.

    1. avatar lolinski says:

      “They ain’t pearl. They are ivory!”

      Is what I imagine the guy saying before whopping someones ass.

    2. avatar Marine 03 says:

      I too noticed this “Vigilante” vs. “militia” wording in various reports. I’m guessing the people that call them vigilantes are leftist, anti-gun, pro-government losers and those that call them militia are patriots. Call them what you will but don’t call them ineffective! I bet the Knights Templar are crapping their pants. This came in under the radar and these thugs aren’t use to resistance. So poetically just!!

  17. avatar JAS says:

    IMODIUM in the ruling class neighborhoods just went up to 1000 pesos a pill.

    1. avatar LongBeach says:

      Soooo, it went up 3 cents?

  18. avatar Excedrine says:

    We have to watch this carefully.

    Sure, they may begin with pure intentions, but more often than not the revolutionaries turn out to be just as bad as — if not worse than — the scumbags that they ousted.

    For the moment, though, it’s sad to see that is has come to this but I am cautiously optimistic at seeing people literally fighting for their homes and livelihoods.

    1. avatar Bob says:

      Won’t Get Fooled Again – by The Who

    2. avatar Ing says:

      It’s much easier to win a revolution than it is to stop fighting.

  19. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    The rapid spread of the self-defense groups, and the widespread backing they’re receiving from the public is going to put the Mexican government into a very serious bind, very soon.

    The government has only three choices:

    1. They can do nothing. Government employees are pretty accomplished at doing this, especially in Mexico. The trouble is, this position merely validates the self defense group’s point: the government will do nothing to protect the law abiding and innocent. Government loses the rest of their credibility, albeit at a slower rate than the next option…

    2. The government cracks down on the self defense groups. The Mexican government and military don’t have the resources to go after the cartels and the self defense groups at the same time, and everyone knows the military is now compromised. The militias aren’t just mere rabble now – from the stuff I’m reading, they’re acquiring significant arms in significant numbers, and the military won’t find them a pushover any more. Taking down the militias will be costly in lives, money and property damage.

    By doing this, the government loses all credibility in weeks, instead of years. The government might extend their lifetime awhile by doing this, but when the people finally do succeed in overthrowing the government, heads will literally roll.

    3. The government can go after the cartels in a really meaningful way. The trouble is, the government, military and police forces are so riddled with cartel employees and informants that the government would expose just how corrupt they are as the cartel employees try to stop the military from accomplishing anything significant. The government loses the rest of their meager credibility in months.

    The only way I see for the government to recoup credibility is to start ferreting out the cartel informants and employees in the government, military and police, and summarily executing them in public. The executions need to be numerous, brutal, public and widely publicized for the public to start regaining any trust in the government. Numerous because everyone knows how widely compromised the government/military/police are. Brutal to show the cartels that the gloves are off and the brutality of the cartels will be met with the same or more.

    Then after the government cleans ranks, they could attain some success in going after the cartels.

    I don’t think that this will happen, and as a result I think we’re quickly approaching a point where the government of Mexico could actually fail.

    1. avatar Michael B. says:

      I am concerned that our government will prop up theirs and they’ll go after the “vigilantes.”

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Of course we will. We haven’t picked a winner since WWII.

      2. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

        That’s my concern as well.

  20. avatar MD says:

    Pretty good trigger finger discipline, all things considered.

    1. avatar LongBeach says:

      I was also impressed by that. Not perfect, but a damn sight better than most other groups we’ve seen.

  21. avatar Jethro Bean says:

    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be

    a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

  22. avatar Not Karlan in ATX says:

    Despues 20 anos Las Zapatistas vivan! Pinche gobierno curropto finalmente esta al punto a fallar. Esa tierra estaba robado de la gente indegina, y despues Guatemala (The second best country behind the US of course, they let tourists pack heat)

    DON’T GIVE THE GOV’T SUS ARMAS. THEY WILL LEAVE YOU WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN. ***DO NOT*** TRUST THE MEXICAN GOV’T!!! WORLD FAMOUS CORRUPTION ON ALL LEVELS!

    1. avatar still most definitely not Karlan in ATX says:

      Also, realize the Gov’t doesn’t want to get rid of the cartels (especially PRI). Two of largest sources of income are 1) Drugs 2) money sent back from the US from scared ex-patriots. Their GDP would be destroyed if the cartels disappeared.

      We need to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US and Mexico. What would you rather have: A mexican made XYZ, or a Chinese XYZ…… Pretty easy if you ask me. (PS look up chinese currency manipulation)

      Remember when TVs and other consumer goods used to say “Hecho en Mexico”……

      ——————-
      Also remember the DEA helped the Sinaloa cartel launder more than 250 Billion dollars through HSBC…..

  23. avatar william tice says:

    The people of Mexico need to follow the lead of freedom fighters in Egypt! A shame the rest of the country doesn’t call to arms and free themselves of the oppression of their foully corrupt government! Viva Mexican freedom fighters! All their coward brothers are in our country the USA!

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