BREAKING: BART Officer Shoots and Kills BART Officer During SWAT Raid on Empty Apartment

“A BART police officer was fatally shot by a department colleague Tuesday afternoon during a probation check in the East Bay, according to the Alameda County Sheriff’s Office,” kron4.com reports. “BART officer Tom Smith [now deceased] and several other officers had forced their way inside one of the units during a probation check when the shooting occurred. The subject of the search was on probation for crimes committed on BART property and was not at the residence at the time of the incident. Both officers were wearing bullet-proof vests, according to officials. Alameda County sheriff’s Sgt. J.D. Nelson said he assumes that the officers had their guns drawn as they entered the apartment but that the details of how or why the officer’s gun went off remain unclear.” Went off. Yeah. Sure.

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  1. avatar ST says:

    This article creates troubling questions.

    One:why does a rapid transit agency have a SWAT unit? Next you’ll tell me the local Chevy dealer has a “Tactical Response Unit”.

    Two:why is said SWAT unit so poorly trained that an ND happened to start with?

    1. avatar Rokurota says:

      If the IRS, the Social Security Administration and the Department of Education can have SWAT teams, why not the BART?

    2. avatar outwardhound says:

      One: Well, why shouldn’t they? The Department of Ed has ’em, so does EPA, NOAA, Fish & Wildlife, etc. Can’t miss out on the fun can they?

      1. avatar Rich Grise says:

        When guns are outlawed, only the AbilityOne Commission…

        [Just no.]

        1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          Lol. That’s pretty good.

        2. avatar Ing says:

          Ouch! I give, I give! You win.

          That is the most impressive (and impressively long) comment I’ve seen in a while.

    3. avatar johnny law says:

      No one would ever attack a subway in the United States.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        If they did, I’m sure the stalwart footsoldiers of BART could handle it. It’s not like they would shoot one another or anything…

      2. avatar Stinkeye says:

        If they did, the BART SWAT team would apparently be too busy kicking in doors of people who are on probation to protect the trains, anyway.

    4. avatar Leadbelly says:

      Just be sure to return your library books on time and you’ll be fine, kid.

    5. avatar Hinshelworld says:

      This wasn’t a SWAT team… Just regular officers.

  2. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    Karma – she is a spiteful b!tch. . . . what was that movie? Fruitvale Station?

    1. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

      The cop who died was the lead detective in the Oscar Grant investigation.

      1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

        coincidence?

        1. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

          2 cops walk into a vacant apartment, one of them ends up dead, dead cop involved in very high profile case. Conspiracy?

        2. avatar Javier says:

          No need to speculate about conspiracies when stupidity, poor muzzle discipline, and poor trigger discipline will do just fine.

      2. avatar Eric says:

        Sorry, “Oscar Grant”?

        1. avatar Sean says:

          Oscar Grant was a man who was gunned down in an Oakland subway, the officer who shot him was tried for murder and involuntary manslaughter. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter but not murder. Apparently the officer who was killed today was the lead investigator in that murder case, and the guy who shot him does all the explosives stuff with Myth Busters.

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          That last fact is much more interesting than anything else.

      3. avatar William Burke says:

        NO!! Tell me you’re joking. SERIOUSLY??

        1. avatar HamChuck says:

          Wrong. The Myth-busters guy is Sgt J.D Nelson of the Alameda Co. Sheriff’s office. He was quoted as a spokesman for the department. This was a BART on BART shooting. The name of the shooter wasn’t released.

        2. avatar William Burke says:

          Thanks.

        3. avatar Rokurota says:

          BART on BART. Didn’t California just legalize that?

    2. avatar OODAloop says:

      Apparently no dog was available to shoot.

  3. avatar bCs says:

    BART spelled backwards is SWAT. ??????

    1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

      “swat pu kcip, swat pu kcip”

      No, not how I remember that episode.

    2. avatar Retro says:

      …but rearrange both and you have “TWAT BARS”…

  4. avatar Nine says:

    Not possible.

    Cops are Gods with guns.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      That’s what my grandmother’s second cousin’s nephew’s great aunt always told me.

  5. avatar Ralph says:

    Now they’re so bloodthirsty that they’re killing each other. Way to go, guys.

    1. avatar Eric says:

      The officer was checking for the subject-of-interest under the bed. Down on all fours, his fellow officer mistook him for a dog.

      1. avatar benny says:

        Damnit you beat me to it!
        *pouty face*

        1. avatar Retro says:

          Darwin at work.

      2. avatar bontai Joe says:

        It was the wagging tail that triggered the responce (pun intended).

  6. avatar MDFalco says:

    “…details of how or why the officer’s gun went off remain unclear.”

    Because he had his finger on the trigger and pulled? I’m no physicist but that’s my guess.

    1. avatar Sean says:

      Probably a pretty good guess.

    2. avatar Wyfaggro says:

      Impossibru!

    3. avatar Javier says:

      Don’t forget the part where it hit another officer because the muzzle was pointing at him.

  7. avatar JeffR says:

    I suspect it “went off” because someone pulled the trigger. I am relatively new to firearms, so that is just a wild guess.

    1. avatar Dickie J says:

      You’re one of them fancy rocket surgeons, aincha?

      Time to make all cops go Barney Fife style with an unloaded revolver and a single bullet in their shirt pocket.

      1. avatar Philip says:

        Rocket surgeon. Aka EOD.

  8. avatar sbk510 says:

    Fragging?

  9. avatar jwm says:

    J.D. Nelson. Ain’t he the guy that’s always helping the mythbusters at the explosives range behind Santa Rita?

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      Maybe, just maybe, if enough people even pay attention to the incident, J.D. will have contributed to busting another myth.

  10. avatar William Burke says:

    WAIT! Why are transit cops doing on a probation check, where they have no authority? This sounds like murder one to me, like in Waco. In one of the Waco footages, you can see a bunch of Feds climbing in an upstairs window. The first Feeb goes through the window, and immediately after, the second Feeb uses a submachine gun to sweep the room with gunfire, from outside, before entering. It was clearly with intention to kill the first Feeb; there’s no alternative explanation!

    1. avatar Adub says:

      Yeah, this made me wonder too. Why are BART officers doing probation checks? Shouldn’t they be sticking to the subway? I am confused.

    2. avatar Veidt says:

      Pack it in boys. Det. Billy Burke has this one wrapped up.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        You’re such a little charmer! Wanna kiss?

    3. avatar johnny law says:

      BART has peace officer powers everywhere in the state.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        So can I patrol BART for pay while they roust and shoot probation officer’s partners?

        1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

          Dood,
          You are cracking me up tonight.

          Wife: what do you keep laughing at?

          Me: stuff…

        2. avatar Leadbelly says:

          They are The Guardians Of The Underworld, keeping us all safe from the unspeakable denizens of subway darkness. I see a Marvel comic book in there.

    4. avatar Mike says:

      Cuz its BART PD. They have their own jurisdiction, including their own criminals hence the probation check…

    5. avatar Jus Bill says:

      “It was clearly with intention to kill the first Feeb; there’s no alternative explanation!”

      Or maybe to hose the perp?

  11. avatar Xavier says:

    Does this count as “gun violence”?

    1. avatar brandon says:

      As a matter of fact it does. all gun deaths, good shoot, bad shoot,criminal and accidental go into the fbi database, where most pro/anti gun groups pick their data from.

  12. Fools !!!

    Too many Cops… not enough Armed Citizens.

  13. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    maybe this is why M&P and Ruger are pulling out of the Cali market? Damn guns just going off – real liabiity issue. or not

  14. avatar michael nieto says:

    the gun “went off” because the officer for some reason decided to point his gun at his partner then made the genius decision to pull the trigger. ladies and gents these are the only people in the bay area that are allowed to carry guns.

    1. avatar Ken Hagler says:

      Them and Diane Feinstein.

  15. avatar C says:

    If i watched Training Day a few more times, i would get suspicious.

    1. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

      1. avatar Adub says:

        Training Day FTW.

        But I come from Bolingbrook, IL, home of the most famous cop of the last decade: Drew Peterson.

        1. avatar William Burke says:

          Drew is the current holder of the Jerry Lee Lewis Award for “accidentally” losing multiple wives.

        2. avatar Jeff in Tacoma says:

          Got you beat, Tacoma, WA Police Chief David Brame: http://www.thenewstribune.com/david-brame/

  16. avatar rammerjammer says:

    What, did he miss the dog?

    1. avatar C says:

      I guffawed

  17. avatar Berry Griffin says:

    Please. An officer died. That’s not cool. (Anyone dying is not cool..) BART has property it owns and BART police have full jurisdiction on those properties. Think of the officer that just killed his brother.

    1. avatar outwardhound says:

      Yes, think of the utter nonsensical death – as a direct result caused by proliferation of violent & unnecessary raids by paramilitary goons. A PROBATION CHECK!? REALLY?!?!?

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        From the article.
        “The shooting occurred during a probation check after Smith and several other officers made a forced entry into an apartment. It is remains unclear when or how the officer’s gun discharged, wounding Smith”.

        Just kick in apartment doors and start shooting?
        WTF?

        1. avatar William Burke says:

          That’s what you get for riding without paying your fare.

        2. avatar William Burke says:

          Yeah, it puts Bat Masterson and Doc Holliday to shame, doesn’t it?

    2. avatar AngryAZ says:

      Why is Bart a landlord now….seriously after a few years as a subject of the bay area gulag Bart makes the soprano look like choir boys

    3. avatar Anonymous says:

      Get the hell out of here, sycophant.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        WTF is YOUR problem?

        1. avatar Anonymous says:

          Wasn’t talking to you, friend, I was replying to Berry Griffin. So WTF is your problem?

    4. avatar William Burke says:

      “(Anyone dying is not cool..)”

      Really? John Wayne Gacy dying is “not cool”? Jeffrey Dahmer dying is “not cool”? Thine heart bleedeth liberally….

    5. avatar doesky2 says:

      Please. An officer died. That’s not cool. (Anyone dying is not cool..)

      Wrong.
      Deaths of tyrants and fascists are cool…. and morally correct.
      Now let’s continue the discussion on how to stop the unconstitutional war that SWAT teams are waging on the American public.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        I appreciate that. You made me seem MOR. 🙂

        Not really. I’m still the one they love to come after. And I love failing to set them straight. It’s all about the journey.

    6. avatar ropingdown says:

      Berry, I understand the sentiment, but if the dead guy was his brother, the family’s dysfunctional.

      If we so much as read a mainstream newspaper or watch the news, we are slapped every other day by Bloomberg ladies and professors of literary theory insisting only cops should carry guns, and only they are trained. This is a pro-2nd-Amendment-oriented web site. Most of us know better. At least speaking for myself, I’m not anti-cop. I’m anti-ignorance and, like others, somewhat privately, I want to just tie the anti-gun person to a chair and make them read this story, watch the report, and then tell me who is safe with their weapon, and why they believed what they did.

      There is no way a competent person who carries a gun every day as a requirement of his work accidentally fires his weapon when breaking into an unoccupied dwelling. Brother? Internal Affairs knows all about the brother bit.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Super-fine post. I read it three times. Not because I’m nodding off; I thought it was a wonderful post.

      2. avatar Roscoe says:

        Maybe BART has it’s own nightwatch of “Choirboys”.

      3. avatar Jus Bill says:

        WELL SAID!

    7. Officers are not “brothers”. They are individual employees of a government. They get up every morning and put on a gun and a bulletproof vest and you want us to be “respectful” about them being killed by each other? How about you show more respect for the innocent lives these assassins take each and every week? How about you waking up and understanding that Police Officers are NOT HUMAN. They do not interact socially with the general population, they do not operate by moral order, they do not operate with emotion, they do not operate with remorse, and they do not operate with equality of man in mind. They are not “protecting and serving”…but rather “creating and establishing fear”. Get your head out of your arse and look around…these are not cops…they are licensed killers.

      1. avatar ThomasR says:

        Hey Andrew; I’m the first one to say Swat raids are an abomanation. Any cop that gets shot, whether by the home owner or by a fellow officer, breaking down the door of a persons castle without showing a warrant and giving the person a chance to agree to allow them in; whether they are home or not, well, like they say, Karma is a B—tch. And I agree, there are cops like you describe, But, not ALL cops are as you describe.

        Sheriffs as a group have come out all across the nation saying they won’t enforce laws against the second amendment. All the Sheriffs dept. except one here in New Mexico have publically stated the same. There are cops that I know that truly support the second amendment. Demonizing all the cops, just isn’t based on fact.

        1. avatar Schisms says:

          Oh no, don’t go there. When something like this happens, local history shows that it’s NEVER the first time something like this occurred…and nobody will ever do anything about it. Including all those wonderful, peace loving, community protecting “good” cops. Kelly Thompson gets beaten to death in Fullerton, CA. First time in generations that a Fullerton cop has beaten somebody up for anything, right? Sure. During and after all the other incidents, where were the “good” cops, and what were they doing to make sure it never happened again? Silent. Interestingly enough, where are all the “good” cops now? Fascinatingly, still silent.

    8. avatar Marine 03 says:

      What’s not cool is a militarized police force acting illegally in an area that has been disarmed illegally. These police don’t need SWAT teams if infact that is what they were (sure behaved like one). Too many doors getting kicked in lately in the land of the free in my opinion. They should have never been there most likely. It’s called tyranny. It happens on large and small scales.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Thank you, Marine 03. Somebody gets it.

  18. avatar P.M.Lawrence says:

    What are the odds that the person raided will be charged with this, the way that the person missed by police when they hit the bystanders was charged with that?

    1. avatar htom says:

      :thinking: (square root of 4) / 2 ?

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        Actually:
        ([(square root of 4) / 2 ] x 100) – .001 = n%

  19. avatar DaScotsman says:

    So much WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot going on with this story… They raided his apartment with weapons drawn for a probation check? Wow. I mean, doesn’t the BART SWAT Team do thousands of those each month? . Dumbasses.

    1. avatar Marine 03 says:

      And the suspect was already behind bars during the raid as it now turns out.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        I kind of think they knew that. That’s the easiest sort of “show” raid – when your target’s already in jail.

        Things have to to a dramatic and sad pass. They just want us to know they’re the boss, no matter how awful their behavior. I REJECT THIS. It’s the behavior of BULLIES.

  20. avatar jwm says:

    What exactly is a probation check and why do you need to break into a persons home to conduct it?

    1. It’s a law enforcement action to check on someone that has willingly given up their 4th Amendment Rights for liberty from incarceration. The actions fall under the executive branch of the government. Why BART is even involved in this activity is beyond me. Both the DOT and DOJ are part of the Executive Branch…but they are different Departments.

  21. avatar peirsonb says:

    For a freaking probation check…

    I got a speeding ticket a couple of years ago, I wonder when the SWAT team will be by to chat.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      So sorry for you, man… you need a big, wooden bar behind your door. Other than that, you need to turn yourself in, now!

  22. avatar anon says:

    This points to the fact that TRAINING is time consuming and costly. If these BART guys train, my guess is it is OVERTIME. BART does not want to pay OT but they want to have RAMBOZO’s.

    Why invade a home or business when you can pick up your perp as they walk down the street or walk to the car? Why risk life and/or injury when they don’t know what is behind the door or wall? I KNOW!!! Does not look cool!

    The problem with all bureaucracies is they do not train enough. Also since they call themselves SWAT, THEY MUST BE swat.

    I shoot IDPA every month and also shoot at an outdoor range once a month too. Probably 300 rounds or more total. Put your finger on the trigger during IDPA and not have a target legitimately in sight and you lose points, swing your firearm close to anyone else and you are asked to leave. I’ve only seen one deputy sheriff at IDPA on his own time. . . every month.

    These guys do not understand (lack of training) they must keep their fingers off the trigger . . . . until ready to shoot at a target they want to destroy.

    I honestly fear cops who have guns drawn, they usually do not do well.

    Just sayin’

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      I asked before, and I’ll ask again: What are TRANSIT COPS doing enforcing probation matters?

      I still don’t have one answer for that. Got something? Say something.

      1. avatar Mike says:

        because Oakland… Techincally, I think the story is showing that it was BART probation matters in their juristiction (and the other agencies don’t do that..) Somewhere out there someone thought it would be a great idea for BART to have their own police department. So they do. And they’ll shoot you too.

        1. avatar Rick says:

          Hasn’t Oakland PD recently had a personnel cutback? Perhaps the BART cops were getting in some “fill-in-around-the-edges” time.

        2. avatar William Burke says:

          Police I can understand. It’s pretty common. But SWAT? Does the Independent Grocers’ Association also have a SWAT team>

        3. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Yeah. They use armored assault grocery carts.

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      The problem with all bureaucracies is they are ultra kewel L33t operator as Fsck legends in their own mind.
      Fixed it for you.

  23. avatar karlan in atx says:

    I grew up in the bay…. alameda SWAT has a very poor track record …..

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      This is BART, not Oak/Ala SWAT.

      1. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

        http://www.bart.gov/about/police/howto/faq
        Kinda silly if you ask me.

  24. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    With LEOs so incompetent as to defy historical parallel, it’s little wonder that rank and file Californians fear guns in supposedly less-skilled hands.

    Crike.

  25. avatar StuttgartPhil says:

    Anybody know the issued gun for this agency?

    1. avatar CharlesDC says:

      Not sure about issued gun, but I have seen various Glocks, P226/9, USP, M&P, etc. I know SFPD is p226/p229 in .40sw. There are lots of agencies making their way through downtown stations so I could be mistaken about BART. Wanted to ask the DHS guys what they did with my ammo last year but they intimidated me with their body armor!

      1. avatar Roscoe says:

        Laugh!

  26. avatar John Boch says:

    Sorry.

    My GAF meter must be broken.

    Transit police have a SWAT team? A SWAT team that can’t keep its booger pickers off the bang switches?

    Wow. How are they going to charge that poor apartment dweller for this?

    Eh, they probably blamed the dog and shot it afterwards.

    Aren’t these the mopes who shot the kid in the back as he was handcuffed a couple of years ago?

    John

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      He wasn’t just handcuffed. He was FACE DOWN on the pavement! The BART cop said he thought is was his taser he pulled and fired. No lie. As if there’s any reason to tase a man handcuffed, face down on the pavement.

      Some of you here are LEOs; have you ever mistaken your sidearm for a TASER?

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        Never.
        And before you pulled the taser trigger, training kicked in and you yelled “Taser” 3 times, so as to lessen sympathetic shooting.

        1. avatar William Burke says:

          Thanks for the plain-talk answer. I appreciate it, and I thought as much.

        2. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          You know, I’ve known those details of that incident for a while now and for some reason I’d never quite put them together in that light before.

          Supposedly there was an issue of the officers having to share utility belts, and since no officer had their own belt they could arrange to their liking they had to make due with non-optimal configurations.

          As I type it now, I can’t hardly believe I fell for the official line like that. Even if those details are true, there’s nothing stopping an officer from re arranging things on his belt (I assume).

          I’ve always felt that the department in question should be held liable for not sufficiently training their officers. What a big, fat, hairy mess.

        3. avatar Russ Bixby says:

          I’d also give good odds that you’ve never TASEd someone just for the fun of it, which is the only “reason” to give field ECT to someone who is cuffed, face-down and quiescent.

          We’ve come to accept, expect and even condone brutality to such an extent that noone ever said “Hey! He was committing unapproved battery, a felony in that jurisdiction, and a homicide occurred during the commission of said felony. String him up!”

          Not good. Not at all. No siree.

  27. avatar TommyNV says:

    Why are BART police doing probation checks??? Sad that an officer died but this whole situation has so many wrong things! Why does a transit agency need a SWAT team? I can see an agency like the NY/NJ Port Authority because they patrol the transit systems, bridges, tunnels, ports and airports.

    1. avatar johnny law says:

      IDPA is lame. It turned into the game of was trying not to be.

  28. avatar Mark L says:

    No matter what, it was poor weapons handling. I don’t care who got shot or who did the shooting, the weapon was NOT pointed in a safe direction and the shooters finger was not properly indexed and was on the trigger.
    It’s all about training training training. If the finger is not indexed and is on the trigger and the officer falls or is startled, they WILL pull the trigger.

    1. avatar ropingdown says:

      …and there isn’t a competent LEO who hasn’t known since day two or three to keep his finger indexed, and why he must. And yet, if one starts to think “I’ll be damned if that punk (whom he doesn’t actually know) is going to shoot me first. I’m going in 1/100th of a second from firing!”…then all the bad stuff happens, but usually to the person who was inside. And that’s an indulgent reading of what happened.

      I appreciate my local PD more everyday. It’s the small things, like they don’t shoot dogs, me, or each other.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        When it’s perp-huntin’ time, no dog is safe.

  29. avatar James says:

    Should have been a DG… Wait a minute……

  30. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

    For those of us out in flyover country, what the hell does BART stand for?

    1. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

      Bay Area Rapid Transit. They run a series of buses and trains in the SF/Oakland/etc bay area.

      1. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

        Ah… Since when are buses ‘rapid transit’?

        1. avatar William Burke says:

          It’s maybe a slight misnomer. The trains ARE rapid transit, pretty much, especially when you get out into the North Bay.

      2. avatar Mike says:

        Clarification.. BART does trains… you know, like the subway. AC Transit does the bus, and over in SF, the SF MTA does the bus and light rail (aka, the MUNI)…

        1. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

          Do AC Transit and SF MTA also have SWAT teams? What’s next, the parking division?

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Near as I can tell AC transit just relies on the local cops in whatever city they’re routed thru. I don’t believe they have any sworn officers.

  31. avatar jaggedice says:

    You sure bart doesnt stand for bay area responce team and not the rapid transit?

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      You could have looked it up in ten seconds, but I will spare you the unnecessary toil:
      Bay Area Rapid Transit. Now you can ask again.

    2. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

      Yes we are sure. BART is the subway system in San Francisco and up and down the peninsula as well as into the east bay, where Oakland and Alameda are.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Marcus, how far towards San Jose does BART go?

        (“Do You Know the Way….”

        1. avatar Marcus Aurelius says:

          Looks like they are building a new one in beryessa (not the lake) just on SJ’s north side. Short of that it’s Fremont in the east bay (fairly far south) and Millbrae on the peninsula (barely out of San Francisco).

          From San Francisco or Oakland down to San Jose is around 50 miles.

          This is just from a search on Google maps. When I’m in the bay I’m driving. It’s easier with tools in the trunk.

  32. avatar Bill says:

    Bet they charge the absent tenant with murder…

      1. avatar Bill says:

        There were so many comments I couldn’t read them all, looks like we’re on the same page.

  33. avatar John Dennis says:

    If they hadn’t allowed BART Simpson to have a SWAT Team, this would never have happened..

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      This was really stupid; and yet I laughed like a hyena!

  34. avatar ricnroll says:

    Let me get this straight. Being from St. Lou, we ain’ts got no swat for the metro bus or train. We have private security guards who wear their britches down around their ass like the miscreants we are to be protected from, yeah right. However, we don’t have Frisco Area Railway Transportation (FART) cops to foul things up. Just infamous East St. Louis.
    If all goes right for the Keystone cowboys, they will find a way to rescind the poor guy’s probation for not being at home with a target on his chest and bent over in preparation for a jack boot or two.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      🙂 Good luck in St. Louis; be careful.

      In the August ’11, I was through your town, moving back east. When we crossed over to the IL side, to ESL, I remarked on how much it resembles Southside Richmond. We kept on through.

      Night before, we slept in St. Louis Lakes. Not terrible.

    2. avatar 16V says:

      Umm, MetroLink cops are POST-certified and sworn. They have the same arrest powers as any other copper – fortunately they are kept in their place, and aren’t running around willy-nilly with a SWAT team.

      There are some Paul Blarts running around checking tickets, but actual Metro cops are real cops.

  35. avatar Southern Cross says:

    Sydney trains used to have transit cops but they had a reputation more for creating trouble than preventing it. Their favourite tricks included asking for your ticket to inspect it, pocketing the ticket, and then asking for your ticket. The TC would deny having your ticket and charge you for travelling without a valid ticket. If you protested, you received another ticket for abusive language. They would travel in packs of 4 and pick on solo travelers. One pack tried to declare my valid ticket invalid because they didn’t recognize the date stamp from the private bus company. I said we can check at the next stop and I will call the police to press charges for false arrest, illegal detention, assault (2 of 4 had their hands on their batons ready to “suppress resistance”), theft of my valid ticket (@ $52 each, they are expensive), etc. They backed off but were not happy.

    After lots of complaints, the transit police were disbanded as a public embarrassment and replaced by ordinary police, who were much more effective.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      What a story! Power corrupts the unworthy. That’s the way it is.

  36. After watching an innocent human be assassinated by this agency and knowing that this action was taken to support a “probation agency” somehow tied to a public transportation agency…my spidey-senses go up and I wonder who is financing this division of the agency and if tax-payers know that the SFBRTD are participating in law enforcement actions. The Transportation division of a municipality and the Executive Branch of the government are two entirely different branches. Why would one arm be in the other?

    Regardless…a dead a assassin is one less that can assassinate another innocent human.

    1. Correction: Both the DOT and DOJ are part of the Executive Branch…but they are different Departments.

  37. avatar DaveL says:

    The article now specifies that not only was the suspect whose apartment it was absent at the time, but they knew he was not at home because they already had him in custody.

    1. avatar Rick says:

      “Curiouser and curiouser,” said Alice.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        No kidding. It would seem there’s a much larger story here. What could it be?

  38. avatar JAS says:

    The blood of this poor guy is in the hands of the financing agency. You don’t think for a minute that all these agencies now have paramilitary SWAT teams on their own dime do you? What do you think all those millions of rounds were bought for?

    1. avatar Marine 03 says:

      Bingo!

  39. avatar Rich Grise says:

    Set up an empty house with some mannikins in prepper drag, and call the DEA and report a crack deal, call the ATF and tell them you saw guns, and call the DHS and tell them you’ve found a terrorist cell, then sit back and watch the show!

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Have cameras all over the house, live web feed. Wait for them to start shooting one another… then call the police! 😉

  40. avatar Guss says:

    The resident better be glad he wasn’t there. If he was home, he would have shot the officer with a previously confiscated firearm (drop gun), then the officer would have had to kill him also.

    Sometimes the article in the paper gives the correct end result, just not the correct details and timeline.

  41. avatar Yoel Grauberg says:

    Sounds like a little inter dept squabble settled in the chaos of another door kicking frenzy. Maybe JBT A got too chummy with JBT B’s wife at the Xmas party?

  42. avatar Guss says:

    Over in Tennesse, there was a raid on a single wide trailer. The current sheriff’s son was one deputy. The other deputy was running for sheriff at the time. They both busted into the trailer, you guessed it.

    During the confusion, the deputy running for sheriff was killed by the other deputy who was the current sheriffs son.

    If you haven’t been in a trailer, they are usually one big kitchen/dining/den and 2 bedrooms down a single hallway.

  43. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

    Good times…

  44. avatar Brett says:

    Maybe it was like what happened to Terry in that first episode of The Shield.

  45. avatar Hinshelworld says:

    The headline is a little misleading, no SWAT or tac team involved from anything I’ve read.

    Just regular officers.

    1. avatar JR says:

      Could be referring to SWAT style tactics…

  46. avatar LTC F says:

    I do feel sorry for the family of the officer who died, and for the guy who shot him. No matter what legal implications come from it, his life is destroyed. Killing people who need to die is traumatic, I can’t imagine living with killing someone on accident.

    The lesson learned (not that the powers that be will learn it) is that we need to knock it off with the SWAT crap unless you’re trying to arrest Pablo Escobar. When you’re doing a probation check, knock on the dude’s damn door and talk to him like a normal human being. If he’s not home, or doesn’t answer the door, sit outside and wait for him. He’s got to come and go sometime. We’re talking about a guy who’s on probation for stealing stuff in the subway, not a guy on probation for building a nuclear weapon in his basement or running the Gambino Family.

    1. avatar Rick says:

      But knocking on the door and talking to the guy isn’t all tactical operator badass!

  47. avatar BDub says:

    Did we ever confirm how or why Adam Lanza’s gun/s “went off”? Oh, I forgot, the NRA did it. end/sarc.

  48. avatar mr.piggy fingers says:

    Why is no one blaming the gun? The Glock (I assume) went off…Isn’t that the usual response?

  49. avatar WI Patriot says:

    WHY was a BART(Bay Area Rapid Transit), officer on a raid…???

  50. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

    Updates needed. They just did a press conf. and said they knew suspect was not home, they were all plain clothes cops non with uniforms and went in looking for a stolen laptop. This is bizarre.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      It’s getting better all the time.

      …The chief said the officers did know that the suspect was already in custody, but they didn’t know for sure if the apartment was empty. The door was unlocked when they went and they had guns drawn and they thought possibly someone could be there.

      Investigators have not explained why Smith was shot. They will still need to come up with a timeline and a reenactment.

      I think “come up with” is exactly the proper term to use, even though it surely was accidental on the reporter’s part. Freudian slip?

      1. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

        They also hinted that he was shot more than once which would take away the ND option.

        1. avatar William Burke says:

          This is beginning to sound like a grudge murder. Was there cuckolding going on?

      2. avatar Dennis says:

        I hope they don’t shoot anyone during the reenactment.

  51. avatar niceguns says:

    So what, He most likely had it coming anyway.

  52. avatar Howard Ackers says:

    The ONLY “good cop” I ever met was DEAD. Better THEM than US. Shoot Mehserle and Pirone next. Luck tha Fopice. What goes around comes around. I wonder if they handcuffed the DEAD PIG after they shot him LIKE OSCAR GRANT. Oscar Grant is LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. Where is the shooter going to go on his PAID VACATION ?

  53. avatar RobGR says:

    Chances are the DA and PD will now (if they haven’t already) charge the suspected robber with 2nd degree murder, b/c that makes sense in CA.

    As far as all the LEO hate on here, you guys are out of your minds. Sure, there are some bad cops, I don’t deny that one bit, but I’ve met and interacted with a lot of good guys in blue as well. Or continue with your broad sweeping brush of idiocy, be exactly like an anti, “All gun owners are baby killers.”

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Philly policewoman crushes handcuffed charter school freshman’s testicle during search:

      http://www.activistpost.com/2014/01/pat-down-on-handcuffed-teen-ends-in.html

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