How Do You Stop A Bad Guy With A Gun In A Strip Club?

Image courtesy Mystic Gentlemen's Club Facebook Page

This is not a hypothetical question. A mass shooting at a Portland, Oregon strip club ‘gentlemen’s club’ was brought to a screeching, bleeding halt by that supposedly nonexistent liberal bugaboo, the Good Guy With A Gun . . .

From KGW-TV:

Owners of a SE Portland strip club said a man who shot and wounded three people there Saturday night was denied entry because of belligerent behavior and racist comments, and returned about half an hour later armed with a gun and wearing a scary Halloween mask

The shooting happened just before 9 p.m. Saturday, when the gunman walked into the Mystic Gentleman’s Club at Southeast Stark Street and Southeast 99th Avenue and opened fire, said Sgt. Pete Simpson with Portland police.

The shooter hit three people, prompting a person in the bar to return fire, hitting and critically injuring the suspect.

This proves to those who are paying attention (again) that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Even in a strip club.

The unidentified Good Guy With A Gun is cooperating with police, and will not be charged with a crime.

It’s worth noting that in most states this mass shooting would have continued until the masked racist psycho either got tired of killing or ran out of bullets, because 1) strip clubs are 21-and-over establishments which serve booze, and 2) most states don’t allow CCW in 21-and-over establishments which serve booze.

Gun-Free Zones Kill.

 

 

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  1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

    Well we had a story on here the other day about the woman and hidden pistol, it may have been a woman with a gun. Imagine the inside the g string holster.

    1. avatar TommyinKY says:

      Crotch Carry!

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      Finally an answer to the question, “Is that a gun in your pocket, or…”

      And she was very glad to find out that it was in fact a gun.

    3. avatar jwm says:

      Her name was Summer Raine. She had a new twist on the old stripper trick of launching ping pong balls and bananas. She called it a tribute to Annie Oakley and had sparklers and American flags on the stage around the pole.

      When the mad gunman entered and shot people she jumped to the pole, ripped off her eye patch and went to work. Now the bad guy has to worry about the gunshot wound and possible STD’s.

  2. avatar Rustholio says:

    Wit’ yer gat. Evrbody be strapped at da nudie bar.

  3. avatar Ralph says:

    I would have hired some chick to give him a lap dance and saved the ammo.

  4. avatar jwm says:

    In a room full of nekkid women all this retard can think to do is shoot people? Jeebus, some folks just ain’t right.

    1. avatar Excedrine says:

      Some people’s kids, man.

    2. avatar Carl Jung says:

      *sigh* Freud would have a field day with this story…

      1. avatar Ivan Pavlov says:

        I give you four bells for that comment sir;

      2. avatar Sigmund Freud says:

        Sorry, I vas at ze San Dimas mall, getting a corndog.

        Vat did I miss?

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          “Vat did I miss?”

          Presumably, a Good Guy with a Gun stopping a bad guy with a gun in a strip club has you-ian implications. Or something.

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Say hello to Bill and Ted for me.

  5. avatar T says:

    Hear that Shannon Watts,Bloomturd,Mark Kelly,Gabby Gifford,Joe Double Barrel Biden, and Dianne Feinstein, that’s how you stop someone from having a high killcount!

  6. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Local talk show interviewed Mr. Bear (sp).

    Former army, licensed CHL holder. Bouncer at the club.

    Was right there when his friend was shot.

    Bad guy is still critical. Injured good guy is bad but docs are optimistic.

  7. avatar MotoJB says:

    “Gun Free Zones Kill” – nice crackpot sounding slogan. Nooo, bad guys kill (innocents).

    I would think that if companies/establishments want to designate their locations as “gun free” (thereby preventing law abiding gun carry permit owners from defending themselves), then they also should be forced to provide competent/capable armed security personnel to protect their patrons.

    If they don’t provide that, then their “gun free zone” should be deemed unlawful.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      I agree. And if they want to go the armed guard route, it should have to be the highly-rated, expensive ones. No doing this on the cheap.

      Or else you can go the free route, with armed patrons… er, Mystic Gentlemen!

      1. avatar MotoJB says:

        Agreed!

    2. avatar Jandrews says:

      Kansas just recently passed state law requiring this. If you post your property as no guns, you are now required by law to secure the property.

    3. avatar JasonM says:

      That makes no sense. A property owner should have the right to enforce whatever stupid rules he wishes. Period.

      1. avatar MotoJB says:

        I disagree…why should a public business have the ability to revoke the right to exercise ones lawfully provided carry permit?

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          “… exercise ones lawfully provided carry permitGod-given Right to Keep and Bear Arms?”

          Fixed that for you.

        2. avatar ShaunL. says:

          The problem is with the term “public business”. A business may be open to the public but the public does not have to go there nor do they own any part of it. The owner of the property should be able to make whatever rules they like regarding what goes on there as long as it doesn’t directly conflict with the law.

          I think gun free zones are a ridiculous idea myself but I wouldn’t deny a property owner the right to set his own rules either. I was raised under a “my house, my rules” system.

          As an example…. I have friends come up for shooting days followed by parties at my home several times a year. When it happens I have rules.
          1. No drinking before or while the range is hot.
          2. Before the beer/booze comes out the guns get put away either in vehicles or under MY lock and key.
          3. Only those who have earned my trust are allowed to carry on the property for the duration of the party.
          4. No-one carries with a round chambered in my house PERIOD.
          5. If you don’t like my rules DO NOT COME TO MY HOUSE.
          Would you deny me the right to set these rules at MY house? Why should MY business be any different?

        3. avatar MotoJB says:

          Hey Shaun…I get your point as well…and I’ll respond with a couple of long winded questions:

          Lets say you have one of your parties (following a good shoot session)…where you now have unarmed, people/friends drinking at your home. Would you take it upon yourself to provide for their security/safety, if some criminal(s) busted in and started shooting up the place? Or would you retreat to a “safe room” and dial 911?

          I’m assuming it wouldn’t be the latter – because you’d assume some level of responsibility to provide for their safety, under the care of your roof. In that case, you’d feel a sense of responsibility, no?

          Hope so, as I would if it were my house. Well, that’s no different than the point I made for a “public business”.

          Take away someone’s legally given right (ok fine, God given right) to protect themselves…then you had better be prepared to step in and do it for them if need be. It’s the right thing to do IMO.

        4. avatar ShaunL. says:

          Moto, I agree and yes, I do carry as well as allowing those who have PROVEN themselves responsible(even when drinking) to do the same. We police our own and will defend those people if necessary.

          I think we agree on more than we disagree on.

      2. avatar Jandrews says:

        Well I think that’s the point. If he’s going to make the rule, he’s going to have to enforce it 🙂

        I get what you’re saying, and for what it’s worth I agree as far as property rights. But I don’t sneeze at the idea of practical legislation either. If you’re going to deprive people of the ability to ensure their safety, you had best be prepared to ensure it yourself…

        1. avatar TommyinKY says:

          The kansas law you are referencing is for public buildings not private businesses.

  8. avatar Frank Masotti says:

    Head shot 🙂

  9. avatar jwm says:

    Wonder how many of the guys inside skedaddled before the first news crew showed up? Film at 11 takes on a whole new meaning when your wife’s church cronies spot your face on the report from a gentlemens club.

    1. avatar MotoJB says:

      Glad to hear you made it out in time!

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        Holy crap! Imagine if you were the one who was the good guy.
        “Honey, I’ve got good news, and not so good news…let’s watch the news”

        1. avatar Marcus says:

          Heh!

      2. avatar jwm says:

        Man ain’t lived til he’s bailed out the second floor window of a bordello with his pants in his hands. Or at least, that’s what I’ve heard.

        1. avatar Gunr, from Oregon says:

          There was a story about this guy who bailed out of a window when his pleasure mate’s husband came home. The husband spotted the guy’s fingers gripping the window sill, hanging on for dear life! The husband then began beating this guy’s hands until they were all mangled and bloody. Finally, the poor guy could hold on for no longer, and was forced to let go by his acute pain.
          He dropped 15 inches to the ground!

        2. avatar MotoJB says:

          LOL, uh huh.

  10. avatar Karl from Commiefornia says:

    the only shooting in that club without a O face

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Huh?

      1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

        R u kidding? Ask daddy where babies come from and it ain’t the damn stork either.

    2. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Oh face

  11. avatar Jandrews says:

    We just changed the laws here in NC in October to allow CHP holders to carry concealed in establishments that serve alcohol. Also, events that charge admission (movie theaters, etc.), parades, funerals, and other assemblies that were formerly forbidden. CHP holders may also now have their weapons stored in their motor vehicle on government funded school grounds.

    NC has always been open carry, so prior to this bill, a CHP was mostly a convenience device for purchasing handguns and not broadcasting to the world at large that you were carrying. After this law went through, now there are DEFINITE reasons to acquire a CHP, as these exemptions do not apply individuals without a CHP.

  12. avatar greg mcking says:

    He was at the BAR? That is illegal, you can not drink and carry, much less sit at any bar in most states that allow conceal carry. My state, Drinking is off limit and bars are off limits, except in a restaurant serving liquor it’s OK, if you are not seated at the bar…. Just saying know the law. My state is one of the most gun rights. There are about three other states that allow gun + bar…. but even in my state no drinking allowed when you carry…..Portland OR I doubt allows you to carry a gun and sit at a bar pounding beer. Of course there is no indication in the article he was drinking.

    1. avatar Jandrews says:

      Check up. NC and VA both allow bar carry. NC you can’t consume while carrying in any fashion, but you may be present in the establishment and drink all the soft drinks you want. VA, you cannot consume while CC’ing but CAN consume when open carrying (tuck to drink).

      I’m not saying drinking and carrying is a great idea, just that it does happen. Also that quite a few states allow carry in establishments serving alcohol provided you don’t drink.

    2. avatar LK says:

      Oregon is a fairly gun friendly state. Hence our permit lets us carry pretty much anywhere but federal buildings. Even in bars – while drinking. Gasp! The responsiblity placed on us!

    3. avatar Joshua says:

      Even California allows CCW in bars. And K-12 schools, unlike, say, Arizona….just that we do not have very many CCW’s.

      But my understanding, I may be wrong, is that most strip clubs do not serve alcohol. I know in California they are not allowed to. Or maybe that is only if completely nude…not sure. Never had a reason to check

    4. avatar Wes says:

      Also he was there as an employee… I heard on the radio earlier today that he is a bouncer at that establishment, and that the cops who responded were pretty happy with him.

    5. avatar Dan A says:

      It’s not illegal in Oregon, Greg. Try doing a bit of research before spouting false information next time.

  13. avatar Gov. William J. Le Petomane says:

    In Iowa you can go to the bar and drink ’till you hit .08% BAC. Then your license is invalid and you’ve just committed a serious misdemeanor.

  14. avatar Leadbelly says:

    All the strip clubs hereabouts are across the Mississippi in Illinois, so who knows what the policy will be when it all shakes down. For as long as I can recall, though, all of the clubs have had a no guns policy, and there was always a dancer at the door to “frisk” you in a pleasantly thorough and enthusiastic manner. Nothing got by them!

  15. avatar anonymous says:

    The dream of the ’90s is alive in Portland.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg

  16. avatar Jack says:

    Someone please define “cooperating with police.” I see that all the time. Does that mean ignoring the STFU rule and submitting to police questioning?

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      More or less, yes. It involves interacting with the officers that show up, telling them what happened and your role in it. Despite the “never ever ever talk to cops” preached around here (and not without reason), people do it all the time and it works out just fine for them.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        We tend to forget that Zimmerman got off because he cooperated with the police. Although they were called by the prosecution they all sounded like witnesses for the defense.

      2. avatar Ralph says:

        Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn’t. As a lawyer, I never wanted my clients to talk to the police even when I knew that they were totally in the right. I was always willing to modify my stance in exchange for, at minimum, use immunity, which they often received.

  17. avatar David says:

    Tech question here. Never been to a strip club. What I have seen on TV & the movies is that they are really dark. True? Any advice for a fire fight in low light situations . . . w/ loads of bystanders?

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      The few I’ve been in haven’t been dark, haven’t been bright. Somewhere in between. As for advice, “don’t get in one.” Pick your shots carefully? Not sure what else to say.

    2. avatar Ardent says:

      Your question depends a lot on what you mean by ‘low light’ and ‘gun fight’.

      If you mean a dimly lit bar and a few rounds from a hand gun it’s generally forbearance; Don’t fire the first shot until you’re absolutely sure you’re going to hit vitals, then follow up rapidly while you still know where your target is since in most cases you are now partially blind. Some tips would be to carry lower flash ammunition (I find Winchester Silver Tips to have less flash than other premium defensive pistol cartridges I’ve used) and perhaps a longer barreled pistol or something chambered for a lower flash round when anticipating low light situation (such as .38s rather than .357s at night). Unless you really expect a fight most of the weapon/ammo considerations for low light are probably onerous and unnecessary, on the other hand, if you spend large amounts of time in poorly lit conditions it may be a serious consideration. Also, carry a powerful flashlight. These days 150-200 lumen lights are so cheap and small that there isn’t much reason not to have one all the time, let alone at night or when entering low light environments. Not only do they help with target identification (and virtually everything else done in low light) they will better enable you to see after you star your low light adjusted eyes with your own muzzle flash.

      Other considerations: Your flash will very much give away your location though at nearer ranges in very low light it’s usually not a precise fix for single or very rapid double rounds (flash blinding works both ways as a function of distance and ambient light). However, if you’re not sure your target was neutralized, moving away from your initial firing position and/or taking cover immediately after firing is highly suggested since muzzle flashes tend to attract return fire. If you’re using cover, don’t fire again from the same point behind it, instead move off to one side/the other side (and never fire over cover unless left with no other choice) before emerging to assess and/or engage again. Your target may be waiting to fire on the last point they detected you at. Counter intuitively, when fighting in the dark, he who fires last often has the advantage since he now knows the location of his adversary and isn’t blind.

      Other considerations break down into legal and tactical concerns and they are at odds. Legally, one ought not to fire shots in a dark crowded bar due to the risk to by standers, practically it may be necessary and so called ‘collateral damage’ is tactically acceptable in a life or death fight, legally, accidentally shooting a bystander is less defensible (though not indefensible).

      The single best piece of advice on low light fighting is to go shoot what you carry in low light and watch others shoot in low light from a variety of weapons and distances. You’ll develop an idea of what the flash blindness and disorientation are like, learn flash signatures for range estimation and angle, develop your best weapon/ammo selection for low light and just generally get comfortable with the whole ‘things that go bang in the dark’ scenario. (safety note: ringing ears or ear plugs and flash blindness can be very disorienting in low light, it pays to have someone holding onto the back of your belt the first few times until you’re sure you wont either turn with the weapon or stagger forward of the firing line ((lessons learned!))

  18. avatar cubby123 says:

    You got any pictures ? I mean of the perp of course.

  19. avatar tim says:

    This place is literally a couple blocks from my house. That place is either gonna be fined a SHIT LOAD of money or lose their liquor licence entirely. It’s technically illegal to bring a firearm into a bar in Oregon (or at least in Portland).
    Big props to the guy who stopped him.

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      The guy with the gun will probably be charged, but I don’t think a bar has any liability if a customer brings in a firearm, especially if it’s concealed. It’s not like they provide them to you at the door.

      1. avatar Leadbelly says:

        See my comment above. The “anything goes” type strip clubs around here always have a dancer at the door to “frisk” the patrons as they enter – and they don’t let an inch go unfelt – very entertaining, but you ain’t going to get a gun in there unless you can fit it up your wazoo. They also ban cell phones. Some of the girls keep this part of their life on the down low, and they really don’t want candid photos appearing on the Internet.

        1. avatar Lucas D. says:

          I’m sorry, but is every bar and club in every state in the Union “around here”?

          Didn’t think so, Skippy.

        2. avatar Rich Grise says:

          Does the state of Confusion count?

    2. avatar Dan A says:

      Tim, last I checked, it is NOT illegal to carry into a bar in Oregon.

  20. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    But wait. All the gun grabbers tell us that if loose cannons citizens who own firearms leave them at home, they won’t go home to get them and return when they get seriously pissed-off about something.

    So much for that hypothesis.

  21. avatar ensitue says:

    I thought on-line porn killed analog porn

    1. avatar Andy says:

      There are always some people who prefer the analog image and sound quality.

      Or so I hear.

    2. avatar Rich Grise says:

      Not if your wife knows your password. 😉

  22. avatar Yoel Grauberg says:

    In SC the “good guy shooter” would be charged with a felony for illegal possession of a firearm, for having a gun in a place that serves liquor. Even if he had a CCW permit. Unless of course he was an off duty cop, then its OK to defend yourself.

  23. avatar Aharon says:

    “The shooter hit three people, prompting a person in the bar to return fire, hitting and critically injuring the suspect.”

    This story is so Portland. An armed citizen with a CCP stops a bad guy. Oregon has a high percentage of adults who own guns and relatively few violent crimes. It must be something they put into the locally owned micro-breweries that makes most Oregonians great people.

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      Clearly, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms keeps the riffraff out of the state. 😀

  24. avatar Patrick says:

    The way to stop a bad guy with a gun in a strip club is to walk up to him and act like you’re really drunk but recognize him from somewhere. While he’s telling you to back off, grab his gun & then shoot him and subdue all accomplices.

    Anyone who has seen Beverly Hills Cop knows this.

  25. avatar JLR84 says:

    Regardless of whether the club in question is a “gun free zone”, if one plans on partaking in any lap dances it’s generally advisable to leave the gun in the car.

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      Wouldn’t that depend on how well-concealed your carry is? 😉

    2. avatar Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      I don’t think you want to be taking strip-club cannoli though.

  26. avatar Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

    How in the cast-iron f–k is this legal in Portland, and not in Texas?

    Sheesh.

  27. avatar ADC USN/Ret says:

    Aren’t criminals bad guys too?

    Gun-Free Zones Kill. Therefor = Lawmakers kill. Therefor citizens who vote them in (knowingly) = kill.

    Are gun-grabbers killers too?

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      “Are gun-grabbers killers too?”

      I don’t know other than indirectly, but they are the only ones whom I’ve “heard of” (read about) making death threats.

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