Nearly 1000 New Yorkers Arrested Under SAFE Act

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“Nearly 1,000 people have been charged under the NY Safe Act in the eight months since the tougher gun control law was passed, according to the state’s Division of Criminal Justice Services,” syracuse.com reports. “Nearly 90 percent were accused of a crime that pre-dates the new act – including having a sawed-off long gun or an unregistered pistol – but was elevated to a felony when the Safe Act went on the books Jan. 15. The arrests dealing with the more controversial portions of the Safe Act, including possession of a large capacity magazine or a newly defined ‘assault weapon,’ are far fewer . . . Across the state, 20 people have been charged with this misdemeanor . . . seven people have been charged with failing to register their assault weapons.” This despite the fact that the law breakers still have until January 15th, 2014 to get rid of their banned “high capacity” magazines and until April 15th, 2014 to register their “assault rifles.” Imagine the fun when the deadlines expire. [h/t OneIfByLand]

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109 Responses to Nearly 1000 New Yorkers Arrested Under SAFE Act

  1. avatarbenny says:

    I see a pot that’s about to boil over….

    • avatargloomhound says:

      Nothing will happen. People will lay down and take it.

      • avatarjoe says:

        well they didnt gradually raise the heat so maybe the frog will jump out

      • avatarJohn Fritz says:

        … People will lay down and take it.

        Exactly. It’s not time yet unfortunately. Conditions aren’t bad enough. The boot on everyone’s neck isn’t getting pressed hard enough.

        How many gun owners will risk losing their house, having their kids taken away, losing their job, on and on.

        I’ll field that one. Not too damn many.

        • avatarjwm says:

          Exactly. You’re not going to get a rebellion or widespread civil disorder because of mag limits and what type of rifle you can own. You can have a wide variety of shotguns and rifles in NY and CA. It’s going to be hard to convince well fed and comfortable people to rebel over AR’s.

        • avatarDave says:

          What the hell is there to stop someone from taking your job, children, freedom, life away from you when you willingly give up your means to defend such things? Maybe I should move to NY and open a school for tactical defense and knife fighting skills. . . >_>

        • avatarPat says:

          If they come knocking, don’t answer the door. If they kick it in, shoot the pork of the porch.

      • avatarRoss says:

        Drawing a line in the sand is very easy when it’s just words…..

        • avatarYeah! says:

          Hey! Ross
          The line In the sand for most of us can’t be redrawn.Speak for yourself,if you’re one of the 97%.

      • avatarMurry Ferris says:

        Are you suggesting that there is folks in NY don’t have the right to do what the conservatives in Colorado did? Colorado gun rights supporters recalled State Senator John Morse (D), State Senator Angela Giron (D), and forced State Senator Evie Hudak to resign just yesterday. The state’s Democratic party now fears a GOP sweep in November 2014. It is Hudak who claims “for every one woman who used a gun to kill in self defense 83 were murdered by them.” No reply when asked where she got the data.
        Hey NY… it’s time to vote them “gone”.

        • avatarDave says:

          Actually, they may NOT have that right in NY. It was a Colorado state law that provided the mechanism for the recall elections in that state. Does NY have such a law?

      • avatarMark says:

        I agree with gloomhound, no one will do squat. The people in NY have to deal with this at the street level. Whatever agency is enforcing this needs to be dealt with on an individual basis. I needs to be more expensive for them to do this than to oppress the people thus.

      • avatarThecret Thquirrel says:

        The only reason anybody will be laying down is to shoot prone.

      • avatarYeah! says:

        Most New York state residents were here all our lives.No! Most of us will not lay down and take it.What they do will bring retaliation that fits the level of their over reach.With your self defense firearms you have a chance.Without them you’re dead.Millions will be dead.Do you trust this government with your life? They give us no option.Die now or die later.Of course most of us would prefer never.But we’re biomatter and so are they.

        • avatartommyr says:

          Agreed! I’ve lived here all my 55 years and will die here. We won’t (and don’t) just “lie down and take it”. Break into my house while I am home and you’ll meet Mr. Mossberg. He HATES intruders. you don’t want to “fire” him up.

    • avatarDiana says:

      I read the report (F) on Texas. It reads like an A to me.

    • avatarDiana says:

      Probably 80% of the population will be caught like a deer in the headlights when SHTF. It’s all about herd control. Obama’s herd control is a masterpiece. He already can lie and have millions believe him. For those who do not follow him or are slow to worship him other tactics are necessary. Chaos has escalated each day after Obama was first elected. Tragedies have increased in America and the end is nowhere in sight.
      It’s not as if we don’t have a precedent to fall back on in history. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. All their governments slaughtered millions. If people think it can’t happen here, they are too far gone to worry about. Never give up your guns.

  2. avatarJosh83 says:

    How can they be in violation of a law that is not in effect?

    • avatarjoe says:

      was wondering same thing, maybe some had to be charged to challenge it so it is all a trick maybe?

    • avatarSteve says:

      You’re asking liberals to make sense AND follow the law.

      If this turns out to be true, man their lawyers are going to have a field day, and earn some decent money off lawsuits for unlawful arrests.

      • avatar-Peter says:

        I may be wrong, but I think posession of standard capacity mags was made unlawful almost immediately upon passage of the bill, but the Jan 15th deadline was for getting rid of the mags entirely. So maybe the people charged were actually caught in possession or use of banned mags?

        • avatarJus Bill says:

          So if that’s true, aren’t they being snagged by double jeopardy?

        • avatarJOHN says:

          a friend just returning from Afghanistan told me to duct tape two legal ammo clips back to back so it is real long………….its a terrible thing to have to reload in the middle of a gunfight. or will they outlaw duct tape next along with butcher knives? make the clips taped end to end in a way that you just hit the clip ejector and flip it over. now you back in the game in two seconds.

        • avatarsoldier says:

          “a friend just returning from Afghanistan told me to duct tape two legal ammo clips back to back so it is real long………….its a terrible thing to have to reload in the middle of a gunfight. or will they outlaw duct tape next along with butcher knives? make the clips taped end to end in a way that you just hit the clip ejector and flip it over. now you back in the game in two seconds.”

          LOL, if you are actually in a fire fight, then all rules and regulations are out the window unless you can win your attacker over by calling time out to show how you are complying with the law by using duck taps. So why on earth would you do that?

    • avatarRoscoe says:

      Consider the source of the story; how accurate is the government at providing all the facts, and how good is the news media at getting it right, particularly in light of all the left leaning slant the apply.

      Both have tenuous track records at best.

    • avatarHannibal says:

      The article in the syracuse makes more sense than the blurb here on TTAG, which over-simplifies things a little: “Others interpret that part of the law differently. Certain large capacity magazines are now unlawful under the Safe Act, though owners have until Jan. 15 to get rid of them. And, people caught with a large magazine can have an extra 30 days to get rid of it to avoid the misdemeanor.”

      The bottom line, though, is that the law is so stupidly complicated (like the rest of NY’s gun laws) that you can put different ‘experts’ in a room and get different legal opinions.

    • avatarD Drake says:

      It is a Fascist Nazi Police State…New York.

  3. avatarjoe says:

    the “fun” really isn’t gonna be fun for either side

  4. avataranon says:

    How are they being charged before the deadline…?

  5. avatarJay in Florida says:

    NYS and Cuomo can go F$% themselves.
    I feel bad for the folks who, through no fault of their own are stuck there.
    To me having a home or employment is no real reason to stay,
    I got out.
    So can the rest if they want to for the most part.
    Its get involved politically.
    A lot of civil disobedience is called for, or get out of the state,
    That is the way I now feel.
    I wouldn’t put up with any of the safe act.
    As I have no family.
    I would be willing to suffer the consciences of whatever may happen to me.
    Or whatever happens to who ever tries to stop me.
    The laws as they now stand are plainly unconstitutional and I wouldn’t wait around for the courts to change anything.

  6. avatarEastern Oregon Guy says:

    I have to ask the same question. How are they being charged before the law takes effect? Also while people have made comments that others are just going to roll over and take it the question comes to my mind. What if something this freedom robbing was introduced at a Federal level ? Would everyone roll over and take it or would this be the last straw for some ?

    • avatarjoe says:

      it already may be the last straw for some, maybe more then we think.
      just because you bury your guns doesn’t mean you still have them

    • avatar(Formerly) MN Matt says:

      If something like this happened at the federal level, I suspect the amount of conversations on the interwebs would drop considerably. There would be much less taking, hopefully a lot more doing.

      I was contemplating this question when I lived in MN, when in the midst of the lemming rush to Do Something! our state legislators were considering an AWB and other ridiculous measures. If it had passed, I had a good idea of how I’d handle it. And that plan involved a much stricter filter over what I say and where.

  7. avatarExcedrine says:

    I see a lot of lawsuits on the horizon and, unfortunately, I fear that NYS will win every single one of them.

  8. avatarBilly Francis says:

    MFERS….Can’t wait to move out of this hell hole

  9. avatarstateisevil says:

    I hope the people of the state organize and start braining the aggressors. It won’t come to pass, but it would be pretty cool. I’d donate $ to see it happen. Nazi Yorkers will instead lick boots.

  10. avatarJeh says:

    The fact that even the police use the term ‘assault weapon’ shows how little NYC-ers know about firearms.

  11. avatarAdam says:

    I think what the story is conveying is that most of the people who have been arrested were already breaking NY law prior to the SAFE act. (i.e. owning illegal weapons like sawed offs and unregistered handguns) But when the safe act passed it made those crimes felonies so now the police are actually arresting them instead of citing them for a misdemeanor.

    Now this doesn’t fix the fact that the laws before SAFE were crappy for NY gun owners and SAFE only made them worse. But I think it skews the facts a little in that the mojority of people who this article is referencing were already in violation of pre-Safe act law, the punishment for it just got worse under the SAFE act. Either way the whole slate of laws there in NY sucks.

  12. avatarTom says:

    I’m not leaving, nor am I handing anything over to the State. I’m digging in, stocking up, and planning. I’m not the only one. Organizing a local “Neighborhood watch”. Confiscation will be extremely bloody and the loss of life great for those who wish to violate the Constitution. Waco and Ruby Ridge were armed responses to Government sticking its nose where it did not belong.

    When ever a terrorist attack happens, we are asked not to blame all Muslims for the terrible actions of a few, Well I think it’s about time 80+ Million Law abiding fire arms owners in America got the same break.

    • avatarTommy R. says:

      I totally agree tom! STAND YOUR GROUND! That’s what I will do! If you’re legal you should have NOTHING to worry about!

      FUAC!

  13. avatarPaul Kanesky says:

    I wonder how many of the 1000 people arrested and charged have a prior criminal record?
    Paul in Texas

    • avatarSherlock says:

      (1) This is an “ex post facto” situation. They were accused and then the law was changed.
      (2) Anyone who has/is not a “law breaker” is a government snitch.

    • avatarMarcus says:

      This was exactly my thought. Of the people who have been arrested, exactly how many are also guilty of using a weapon at some point to cause harm to someone else? Where is that number?

    • avatarTommy R. says:

      VERY good question!

  14. avatarAdolph says:

    YOU DO AS YOU’RE TOLD! YOU DO IT NOW…GO! GO!

  15. avatarjoe wallace says:

    YOU DO AS YOU’RE TOLD! YOU DO IT NOW! GO! GO!

  16. avatarHoser says:

    New York is one Messed-up City. If NY Cops are not careful, they will end up dying of lead poisoning. If Citizens give-up their guns, they will become Subjects. Which is exactly what London wants. Where do you think your taxes go?

    • avatarJus Bill says:

      You would be utterly amazed how many hidey-holes there are in any large city. I think I could make an MRAP disappear given a day or so. Something smaller – minutes.

  17. avatarBigDaddy says:

    a lot of big talkers in upstate NY (where I live) about not registering. personally, of all the people I know, they say they won’t register but when it comes down to it, they will. losing your job or your freedom is not worth not registering.

    I’m spending the thanksgiving weekend sending out resumes. the very best way to get my message heard in Albany is to move out of new York. They will no longer have my state income tax or any of the money I spend to live here. That will hurt them where it counts.

    • avatarBlue says:

      I may leave NY, but you can bet hell will freeze over and ice skating occurring before I ever register a damn thing in Florida.

    • avatarsoldier says:

      You do realize that you probably won’t have your job for long anyway after the economy crashes again? Just say they were stolen from you and force the cops to at least get a warrant before searching your house.
      DO SOMETHING.
      You yankees are all smarter than us dumb southern hicks.
      Figure something out. Use that superior brain matter.

  18. avatarEarl says:

    How many go to trial? How much is this just used for pleas to a lesser offense? One thousand trials are expensive.

  19. avatarJoel says:

    The REAL question is: “Why is anybody still living in New York?”
    If people have been willing to put up with New York’s out-of-control regulations and burdensome taxes thus far, they won’t ever find enough reason to move. And soon, their opportunity to use their freedom of mobility–and to vote with their feet by relocating elsewhere–will be gone…for New York can’t afford to let everyone escape that situation…I mean, who would subsidize the socialism if you weren’t there?
    The fact is, you all should have gotten out of there before now. With the millions of ex-New Yorkers who successfully had made their exodus now gone, there are fewer of you taxpayers that are going to have to pay more…and more…and more each year to keep that state afloat. Soon, you too will be needing food stamps and government assistance…you can count on it. The home you own, you’ll one day be renting. Hello, sharecropper.
    For those smart enough to see the door closing to escape and to move to places of liberty, you had better jump on it. We welcome all liberty lovers here in the south…just don’t bring your liberal ideologies with you–learn from the mess your representatives’ policies have made in places like NY and CA and IL.

    • avatarTommy R. says:

      I hear what you’re saying but it’s just not that easy. If we leave N.Y. they win. Best to stay and FIGHT IMHO instead of letting them win. I’m staying. It’s not easy bit nothing in life is. Life’s hard, wear a helmet.

  20. avatarBillF says:

    I know a 20 something year old kid here in upstate NY who until recently had a clean record. He is now in jail awaiting sentencing for an unregistered handgun and a set of brass knuckles. He wasn’t using them to commit a crime–just owned them. Granted, he knowingly broke the law. But because he turned down a plea deal and then was convicted, he is looking at 3-15 years in prison. Ten minutes away, in Vermont, he would have been fine. The steep sentence is compliments of the SAFE Act.

    • avatarTTS says:

      The prison industry in America has the largest lobby in Washington. Incarceration is big business in America. America incarcerates, per capita, 5 times more than the next closest country. America has 4 percent of the world’s population, and houses 25 percent of the the world’s prisoners. Land of the incarcerated, home of the timid girly-boys.

      • avatarsoldier says:

        Here i something I don’t really get or understand. You have “heoric” soldiers who fight for the big corporations in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. facing the possiblity of having their body parts spread over a wide area from a stray mortar, but no such balls back in New York or elswhere. I bet that into next year in Jan, Feb, or whatever, there might be isolated incidents of shoot outs, but by and large yankees will comply. Heck many of them are probably vets who faced hell in a desert crap hole or hell in a jungle crap hole, but they cant face hell on their street corner.

    • avatarTTS says:

      Extra-constitutional laws CAN NOT technically be enforced, they are, in fact, ILLEGAL. ANY gun law RESTRICTING any type of firearm is extra-constitutional, and of course there is a lot of this. The problem in this country is ALL the law schools – like all the medical schools – have been bought by the globalists. They ALL teach constitutional law as a platform to learn legal reasoning and interpretive methodology. Historical examples of extra-constitutional law (law-breaking law making) are used to brainwash law students into believing that law and especially constitutional law can be twisted through “interpretation” to suit the needs of the power elite. Our constitutional fathers would be rolling in their graves if they caught a glimpse our current ILLEGAL legislative, executive, and judicial system.

  21. avatarJay in Florida says:

    People can only be pushed just so far. Then the people will push back..
    NYS isn’t getting a fair shake in this deal.
    NYC and about 3 other counties have the population mass but are for the most part gun less.
    The rest of the land mass isn’t.
    I lived in Ulster County before moving to Florida.
    The attitudes in the rural areas of the state have nothing in common with the City, Westchester and Long Island.
    The rest of rural NY will eventually push them out into Big NY and shit NY.
    Divide the place already.
    I for one wont buy any products from the slave states.
    And any gun related manufacturers in NY and Connecticut have lost my business, As has S&W for staying in Massachusetts.
    I just tossed away a set of Pachmyers and some dummy rounds.
    Both made by Pachmyer in Middletown Ct.
    My S&W models 66 and 41 are up for sale.
    Might be small and meaningless in the short run. Maybe not in the long run.
    Don’t buy these products and maybe they will feel it.

    • avatarDavid says:

      Just one comment: the term, “slave state” is just one more big lib lie, that they use to attempt to discredit any alternative to their own utopian paradises.

    • avatarJus Bill says:

      “NYC and about 3 other counties have the population mass but are for the most part gun less.”
      Somehow I think not. Just read the NYDN and NYP on a daily basis, and count the shootings.

    • avatarJethro says:

      Oh yes, put the gun manufacturers in the northeast out of business, that’ll show ‘em. How dare they not run away to the swamps and deserts.

      Maybe it’s a foreign concept these days but some of us put down roots where we were born. We have generations of family and property we do not wish to leave.

      I understand the urge to migrate but I don’t get the need to wish ill on those you left behind. Bragging you’ve moved to Florida or Arizona may not be the badge of honor you think it is.

      • avatarMatt in FL says:

        And those folks are unfortunate casualties in this fight, but what’s the alternative? For us to continue sending money to companies in the states that willfully violate peoples’ rights? Companies who pay taxes that support the politicians that pass these laws?

        The only thing politicians understand is money, and how it can enable or prevent their reelection. They certainly don’t understand civic duty or the like. So you have to speak their language, and hit them where they’ll notice it.

  22. avatarDavid says:

    The solution to this and similar problems is simple – the people of NYS just need to kick NYC & environs out of the state; let them be their own state, with their own twisted values, taxes, criminals, etc etc. Fire all state gov workers in Albany. Just start over.

    • avatarJus Bill says:

      That’s been proposed periodically over the decades. It never progressed beyond the “editorial in the paper” stage because NYC needs the state for subjects and amusements, and Albany needs NYC for the tax money.

  23. avatarUzziel says:

    Why aren’t they shooting, yet?

  24. avatarJoe B says:

    Federal / State guns don’t apply here with me. Those Nazi thugs can KMA.
    Come and get it !

  25. avatarTTS says:

    As another poster correctly stated, the vast majority will just lay down and take it. There are no real men in the USA anymore, only girly-boys. Americans have been taking the extreme constitutional abuse for more than 10 years with ZERO reaction. It will not change. Kiss America goodbye. It is end of game.

    • avatarJus Bill says:

      You’re wrong. The US has been taking constitutional abuse since the Gulf of Tonkin “Incident.”

      • avatarTTS says:

        You are correct, but re-read my post. I stated “extreme” constitutional abuse, as in the Patriot Act, Agenda 21, et al.

      • avatarExcedrine says:

        The U.S. has been taking Constitutional abuse since The Trail of Tears.

        Since the Act of 1871.

        Since the Spanish-American War.

        Since the Federal Reserve Act.

        Since the 16th and 17th Amendments.

        Since FDR’s RAW Deal.

        Since.. well.. you get the idea now, right? ;)

        • avatarTTS says:

          Good post excedrine. The worst constitutional offender of your list being the Federal Reserve Act, which resulted in the biggest heist of money in the history on mankind. Depending on the source, anywhere from 200 to 400 trillion dollars has been STOLEN from the American people since 1913 via the Federal Reserve, and handed over to the Rothschilds and other filthy-rich globalist families. That is enough money to make every American citizen today a millionaire.

    • avatarCowboy Dan says:

      3%.

      Then go read some Solzhenitzen, “And later, how we burned in the camps…”

  26. avatarLance says:

    The Nazi state of NY strikes again.

  27. avatarBeninMA says:

    “The arrests dealing with the more controversial portions of the Safe Act, including possession of a large capacity magazine or a newly defined ‘assault weapon,’ are far fewer . . . Across the state, 20 people have been charged with this misdemeanor”

    Total lightweights. In Massachusetts, the possession of “large capacity” magazines is a felony… as is the possession of spent brass. Yes, I’m serious.

    • avatarPat says:

      Turning me into a felon for such minor things. I would become Lex effing Luther. Asymmetrical warfare when the sun goes down.

  28. avatarJay says:

    It’s a mind trick that has been used against the citizens.
    Remember when people said, “the abortion issue is not important” and more recently when people said, “gay marriage is just for Massachusetts?” Well here’s how it really works. First they pass it in one state at the state level and then when the Supreme court rules on it, the case then becomes Federal law in the minds of those who don’t know the constitution and that includes lawyers. Once the Supreme court has voted on abortion, gay marriage, gun issues, or anything else, it then becomes federal precedent. Notice I did not say federal law. To them it makes no difference that for the last 200 years something was legal or illegal, constitutional or unconstitutional; in their mind they are God and they make up the rules as they go and they don’t call it law; they call it Civil Code. Civil Code, remember that.
    Kind of interesting how 9 people without morals can vote to strip 350 million American citizens of any constitutional rights they thought they had without ever having a legitimate trial by jury or even a hint of justice. But then again, that’s what happens when people don’t care about their fellow man enough to speak up for a little baby that is being murdered in the womb or to uphold Gods’ laws against homosexuality. If you don’t believe that Gods’ laws against murder and immorality are worth standing up for, then you probably won’t say anything when you are left defenseless yourself either. Or worse yet, you will call anyone who tries to warn you a conspiracy nut right up until the day the whole system caves in and the soldiers come to your house to kill, rob and rape.

    • avatarHannibal says:

      The supreme court hasn’t stripped away your rights to be a heterosexual male or not have an abortion.

      • avatarMrVigs says:

        What about the rights of the unborn smart guy?

        Where is their constitutional rights?

        Save the BS about it not really being a child cause – riddle me this batman – if life doesn’t begin at conception then where does it begin? Get the dictionary out for the proper definition of ‘conception’ if u need to.

  29. avatarHannibal says:

    The vast majority of the arrests made were for crimes that were already illegal or are just tacked on to other charges (oh, you murdered a guy AND you had 8 bullets in your magazine, you scoundrel!). There are a few unlucky souls who have gotten busted for just the capacity limits… hopefully they’ll get nullified or get turned on appeal (but most just plead it out as a violation).

    Basically they’re trying to roast this turkey and make it seem useful but the Safe Act, predictably, hasn’t put anyone behind bars who (a) wasn’t already going there or (b) deserves to be.

  30. avatarSam H says:

    Dear New Yorkers,
    I suggest burying your weapons in a waterproof bag and telling the cops they were all stolen. The gov’t has long since infringed upon your 2nd amendment rights.

  31. avatarBeano says:

    This is so hilarious and the backward world of liberalism. It is YOUR LEADERS that need to be arrested for violating their oath of office, violating the Constitution, and usurping your God-given natural rights which even EXCEED the CONSTITUTION!!!!

    You should immediately issue a citizen’s arrest for your leaders which shouldn’t be hard to do. We outnumber them by one hundred million to one. Someone will find them! That’s why they have their underground rat holes hardened and their private jets on standby when they realize we are on to them.

  32. avatarJohn says:

    The fact that all these gun laws were passed on the false flag of Sandy Hoax makes it all the more egregious…Cuomo, Malloy, all of them knew damn well it was based on a lie..

  33. avatarEd Parker says:

    Hey Nyawkers, send all those hi-caps to me in AZ, I’ll sell ‘em and send you half! I guess my 75 rd AK drums are really verbotten over there, eh? In a year or two, you guys are going to be back down to zip guns and switchblades. But don’t worry, the rest of the country never expected you to have the fortitude to fight this. New York long ago ceased representing anything the Founding Fathers held near and dear.

  34. avatarZM 1306 says:

    Well a revolution but you get the idea….

  35. avatarB. Kulp says:

    Seems like a good reason to avoid New York like the plague.

  36. avatarNam Marine says:

    A “Free” American does NOT need permission to own a gun. Screw New York!

  37. avatarT-DOG says:

    This Country has had a long history of “Jury nullification.” When Juries have also refused to convict due to the perceived injustice of a law in general, or the perceived injustice of the way the law is applied in particular cases. This was a very real problem authorities had during the 1930s prohibition. I can see this making a real come back on this issue in particular. I think most people forget (present company excluded of course) that we as American citizens are required to uphold the constitution. For me, I couldn’t bring myself to convict a person on laws that are so blatantly unconstitutional.
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/zenger/nullification.html

  38. avatarGenetics says:

    Is it so bad that people aren’t talking to their brothers, uncles, fathers, mothers, sisters in law enforcement & telling them to stop the madness & defy what the government is asking them to do? I mean C- MON PEOPLE! Grab your family member who has a badge & slap the piss outta them & ask them whats wrong ! & why aren’t law enforcement officials banning together & saying ENOUGH! Pathetic & weak we’ve become! PERIOD!

  39. I left California for Florida because I won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow CCW and owning modern sport utility rifles. Personally, I can’t see how any freedom lover could remain in NY, NJ, CT etc.

  40. avatarGenetic says:

    Very very sad when a website like this monitors commentary & removes it weather it’s truth or not! Shame on you people , this is no different than whats already happening in this country, this isn’t a free & righteous forum to leave your opinion, sad sad sad

  41. avatarJoseph B. Campbell says:

    Making Criminals of everyday people. I know, “It will never happen to me.” Then they will pass a law that will make you afraid to come out of your home.

  42. avatarGeorge says:

    The people will just lay down and take it! Even when the boot to their throat gets compressed even harder around their necks, they will still do nothing.
    Even when they do, it will be and is too late to change the course of this catastrophe that is about to happen here the former United States.

    It isn’t too hard to understand, once educated about the subject, that the moment the United States became the United States of America with a Corporate Board located in a Foreign Section of Land called Washington DC called Congress, the illusion of a free nation has been fully embedded in the minds of the zombies we call citizens.

    We are a Corporate Nation (thus why all your ID, Birth Certificate, SS Card, and all documents in your name are “CAPITALIZED”. Research for yourself.

    There is only one solution to our severe problem in this nation, and sadly it will never happen.
    The only solution that will change this nation back to it’s once great status, is this:

    We, the People, MUST throw the entire Federal Reserve Corporation Central Bank out of this country and make it LAW that banks can no longer ever again create deposits out of thin air. Then, We, the People, MUST throw the entire Internal Revenue Service out of this country and make it a LAW that the People’s labor wages can never be taxed again.
    Neither of these entities existed in this country until December 1913. That’s the date the entire financial system and the issuing of our own currency was taken from Congress and given to the Private Corporation Banking Cartel.
    The USA never taxed labor until 1913 when they changed the Constitution (16th Amendment) which change indirect unconstitutional taxation and made taxes a direct tax which is against the Constitution.

    97% of the American People have no idea in the world how our banking and financial system works. Therefore, they have blindly been robbed and have no clue.

    This nation is finished. There are Chinese and Russian troops on American Soil today. The big ship in San Francisco which people say is a data center for Google is something you and all of us should be very concerned about.
    Those ships are “Forwardly Placed Satellite Up-link Stations” !!!
    All War Nations use them for communications when they are in foreign lands readying for war or invasion. The USA does not use these for the simple fact that the USA controls all the satellites, and foreign nations can block our communications. But, we can block theirs.

    Your government has betrayed you! They are helping the invasion, and they are preparing to go underground until the invaders have taken care of the top dwellers!

    Our Forefathers would puke if they could see what the ignorant uneducated uninformed people have allowed these politicians to do to this country!

    And for those people who think they have it all figured out:

    It isn’t what you know that hurts you, it’s the things you think you know which are wrong that causes you harm. – Mark Twain

    • avatarjwm says:

      Where are the Russian and Chinese troops at? I’d like to go and see for myself. And the google ship. You talking about the barge with shipping containers on it? I live and work in the bay area.

  43. avatarMark Are says:

    They tell us, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a federal or UN guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. One hundred millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Nebraska! The war is inevitable and let it come! I repeat it, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is LIFE SO DEAR, or PEACE SO SWEET, as to be purchased at the PRICE of CHAINS AND SLAVERY? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH! ~ Patrick Henry

    • avatarsoldier says:

      Nicely stated, but when the crap hits the fan, no one will be minding the nuclear reactors out there assumming the shipments of fuel can keep the generators running to maintain the spent fuel pools. Our 1776 colonial brethren didn’t have such concerns as the only nuclear reactor was a comfortable 90 million miles away in space (the sun)

      Even if we make the U.S a free nation again, you may have liberty, but there will be eventual death from all the fukishiming nuclear reactors.

  44. avatarOrton Fallswell says:

    My father owned 80 acres in upstate NY back in the 80s, when he wanted to subdivide it a govt monkey from the APA showed up and told him he couldnt, there was some kind of indigenous frog on the property that would have its habitat destroyed. He sold out and moved, we never looked back. Nice to see how things have just gotten so much better up there.

  45. avatarPatriot says:

    I went to H.S. with Andrew Cuomo. E V E R Y O N E wanted to bitch slap this tattle tale weasel who was like a cry baby all the time just to get what he wanted. He lived in a district that had an all black attended high school – they woulda fkn killed him for sure. Instead Daddy sent him to a mostly white prep school that drew on gifted students from a 25 mile radius. As it turns out, we all S T I L L want to bitch slap this asshole, not to mention Silver and Skelos who made it the SAFE ACT possible.

    I am from Long Island…we are talking about making it “The State of Peconic” but Sheldon Silver won’t allow a vote in the legislature to allow a referendum to secede….because he wants our money. Help Us?

  46. avatarArthur Mazeau says:

    I don’t know if I am misunderstanding this article, but the of the nearly 1000 people that have had their weapon confiscated under the changes in the new law, why were they confiscated if the law gives them until April to comply and register? Something here is not making sense, either the law is effective now, or they have until April to comply. What else were they doing outside the law to become a target of confiscation? If they were just waiting until the law says you must comply, then they would be also required by law to give them that time.

  47. avatarBill says:

    you people in NY should begin the civil war and tell coumo the commie to stick the rifle up his rectum along with his illegal lawless laws. cuomo the schmuck who works for obama and schumer are Marxists, plain and simple. i wouldn’t turn anything into the NY state law enforcement, its been corrupted by the jew democrats along with dumb ass greasballs such as cuomo.

  48. avatarWilliam says:

    Unfortunately nothing will be done, gun owners are wimps for the most part. They talk big, but when the rubber meets the road, the drop their guns and run for their mommies.

  49. avatarBill Alexander says:

    This should be a Warning to Other States, and Patriots that it can Happen to You,,Prepare for this and be Ready to decide How”ll you act,,I wish the People of Up State New York Courage, and Godspeed!!

    Semper Fi

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