BREAKING [UPDATE] LA Times: LAX Shooter Was Not Former TSA Official

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Contrary to an earlier post based on LA Times coverage, the shooter at Los Angeles Airport was not a former TSA worker. [“A federal law enforcement official said that the gunman was a ticketed passenger entering the airport. Officials don’t believe the gunman has ever worked for TSA. Law enforcement sources had earlier told The Times the gunman was a TSA employee.”] At a press conference, Mayor Eric Garcetti said the situation is now “static”; flights are taking off and leaving the airport. Airport Chief Patrick Gannon said an individual pulled an “assault rifle” from a bag at 9:20am local time and shot an TSA Agent at the checkpoint. There are “multiple victims” and “other injuries.” He proceeded to a gate at Terminal 3 where he was engaged by airport police, shot and killed.

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  1. avatar Danny says:

    Maybe we’ll finally get properly trained TSA agents that aren’t dumber than a box of nails at every airport. Granted I’ve never personally run into a stupid TSA agent but heard plenty of awful stories.

    1. avatar Patriot says:

      Yeah good, now we can get full body cavity searches performed on the elderly and children because we now have “properly trained TSA agents” exciting. I just can’t wait to deal with hothead TSA agents that will soon be militarized. /sarc

      1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

        Hell they already molested a grandma in Grand Rapids in 2010, huge reforms there do to the douche bag TSA.

    2. avatar NYC2AZ says:

      Nope. Just an excuse to arm all TSA agents and have another DHS branch armed to the teeth.

    3. avatar William Burke says:

      NOT A CHANCE. We need the TSA OUT of our airports, PDQ! Regular airport security will catch as many terrorists (zero) as TSA, probably more.

      I swear to God, when I first heard of this incident, I said, “it’s a TSA guy” to myself.

      At least (maybe) we’ll get hearings in Congress after this. They need to boot the thugs and petty criminals and let airports handle their own security. Which they did quite well, before the Toilet Security Agency.

    4. avatar C says:

      Please don’t insult boxes of nails.

    5. avatar Cliff H says:

      Way back in the ’70s I worked as an unarmed gate security supervisor at John Wayne International Airport. We were VERY aware of our own vulnerability in the event of trouble, even more so on the occasions we actually uncovered weapons in carry-ons. As a result there was an armed Orange County Sheriff on duty at all times when a gate was active. Six shot S&W revolver, but at least it was something.

      How is it that in these days so called professionals at TSA believe that a bunch of metal detectors manned by unarmed TSA agents are adequate to stop an armed attacker from gaining access to the restricted areas of the terminal? Ludicrous.

  2. avatar maiko says:

    “workplace violence” not “gun violence”; see what i did there?

    1. Somehow I get the feeling this will be counted as a mass shooting

      1. avatar handfulofsounds says:

        Technically, it can’t because of the number of people that were killed (1 so far) – it wouldn’t qualify as a mass shooting. He’d have to have killed 4 or more for the FBI to classify it as a mass shooting.

    2. avatar niceguns says:

      Thats Awesome

  3. avatar c4v3man says:

    But I thought we could trust properly trained security personnel/police? Only untrained rednecks and teabaggers do these shooting sprees right?

    1. avatar Keith M says:

      Exactly what I was thinking!

    2. avatar William Burke says:

      Clearly, a determined “former” TSA agent would be more effective at an airport attack; he sees the procedures and weaknesses, the “seams” to use a football analogy, on a daily basis.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        As mentioned above, when I worked airport security, I worked out six different ways to bypass out security procedures and walk directly onto a waiting airplane. I wrote them up and gave them t the senior Sheriff’s deputy on site and surprisingly enough each and every one was resoundingly ignored.

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      TSA personnel are not police, in any way. They are unarmed, have no police powers, and little legal training to speak of since they operate within a carved out area. Don’t lump them in with police… or, for that matter, actual security guards.

  4. avatar Alan Rose says:

    A TSA agent was shot and killed? Oh we should arm them. Oh, wait…

  5. avatar imrambi says:

    “Only one” to protect us turns on us. Also a Good guy with a gun stops the lunatic.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      He didn’t turn on “us.”

      1. avatar imrambi says:

        Sorry but I disagree.

        Isn’t the definition of a terrorist someone that instills terror. He instilled terror on thousands in the airport, and those in the surrounding area when they heard about “a shooting at LAX.” Also, don’t you think that at least California will now try to weaken gun rights more just because of this event? Would laws/rules on traveling with firearms change?

        Even though that might be a direct “turn on us” it still is as we will have to fight to keep our rights.

        1. avatar Matt in FL says:

          I will withhold further judgement until more is known, but this guy is ex- (or off-duty TSA) and he shot another TSA agent. It doesn’t sound (at the present) like he was walking through the airport indiscriminately shooting people. My Jump To Conclusions Mat says this may very well have been a disgruntled former employee, and any “terrorism” is incidental.

          I could turn out to be totally wrong, but those are the connections my mind draws.

        2. avatar D. says:

          Wrong, there is no terror “instilled” in “us” over this. Or the “U.S.” for that matter, either.

        3. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Agreed. You know what was instilled in us? Frustration. Frustration at the media. Frustration at the idiots that immediately yelled “False flag!” (Protip: When you’re doing more damage to our cause than the clearly and openly biased media, maybe it’s time to shut the fuck up.) Frustration for the people trying to make connections through LAX today.

          That’s what was instilled in us. Frustration. Not fear, not terror. Just a whole lot of facepalming and “Jesus, I don’t have time for this today.”

        4. avatar JD says:

          A terrorist is someone who uses terrorism as a tactic to achieve a political or military end. If this is a former TSA agent, who sought to kill his former co-workers than he is simply a murderer. If he sought to kill as many innocents as possible to strike fear in the hearts of everyday Americans, in order further some larger agenda, then he would be a terrorist.

          By your definition an old women having a seizure while operating a motor vehicle and driving into a crowd of people would be a terrorist. Yes her actions caused fear in a large number of people, but it wasn’t part of some larger scheme.

          I’m not minimizing the actions of this man, I just think that the term terrorist has been applied far to liberally by just about everyone.

      2. avatar D. says:

        Amen brother Matt.

        1. avatar disthunder says:

          Exactly. I hate that we’re to that point, but its pretty much facepalm as a response territory now.

        2. avatar William Burke says:

          JD nailed it. -1 for “Mat”.

        3. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Uh, Billy, I’m pretty sure JD was responding to imrambi, who I was also disagreeing with. So you just supported the guy who I agree with, while dinging me. Makes no sense.

  6. avatar James says:

    But I thought we could only trust with guns those who were professionally trained to handle guns like the police or federal law enforcement. Someone tell Shannon she needs to broaden the campaign to include federal agents.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      TSA are not federal LEOs and are not armed. Airports use local PD for arrests, and only the PD are armed (except for the occasional US Marshall.). However, given the past history of the DHS, always trying to expand its power, there is a possibility that this incident will be used as an excuse to arm TSA agents and give them arrest powers. In every airport. In every train terminal. In every bus station. Beware the DHS–the age of the national police is upon us.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Don’t forget on streets and highways, shopping malls and sporting events. Which, even before this incident, was just around the corner.

        “Paperz pleez” has arrived. Cavity searches and other rapes are on the march.

      2. avatar Cliff H says:

        To my surprise not too long ago when I visited the local Social Security office there were three ARMED TSA agents manning the metal detectors barring access to the actual waiting area. Meanwhile 30 or 40 of us stood helplessly out of their line of vision in a narrow and access-restricted gun-free zone hallway.

        Armed TSA? You betcha there is.

  7. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    Irony is kinda ironic sometimes. Was it one of the dry ice bomber dudes??

  8. avatar Matt in FL says:

    By the way, I find this post amusing because CBS was reporting this almost an hour before the LATimes did.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Obviously CBS interns use Twitter.

    2. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Sup.

      1. avatar Rokurota says:

        Still not confirmed.

  9. avatar EagleScout87 says:

    wait, so the gunman was a TSA agent, or the gunman killed a TSA agent??

    edit: nevermind, I missed the “former TSA agent part”

  10. avatar MrVigs says:

    Wait. Whut? Aren’t Assualt weapons illegal? Also, I thought it was illegal to bring a gun (any gun) into an airport? Wait, isn’t it illegal to kill someone? Non of this makes any sense. Maybe we need a new law against airports. Tell me that the cops didn’t shoot any dogs.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      Technically, it is only illegal to bring a firearm into a secure area of an airport–otherwise you couldn’t check them with your luggage. But there was a case where the LAPD arrested a man who had a trunk full of firearms who was driving around the terminal on the access road, waiting to pick up a passenger. (He was planning on going to the range from the airport, but was deemed “suspicious,” stopped and arrested.)

      1. avatar c4v3man says:

        I thought CA required direct transport from your home to an approved shooting area, and back, without stops? Wouldn’t driving to the airport be in opposition to the (ineffective/useless) law?

        1. avatar JoshuaS says:

          No. It has a destination requirement only for “registered assault weapons”

          I can have guns in my car all day long that aren’t RAWs. The only rules are, unless you have a CCW, handguns must be unloaded and in a locked container. The trunk counts as a locked container, but not a glove box. A rifle or shotgun can be out in the open, on the front seat, but must be unloaded. It too much be in a locked container/trunk if in a school zone.

          I very frequently have a gun or two or 6 in the car. It is not against the law.

          Destination requirements do apply to non vehicular transport, such as carrying a gun in a case while walking.

  11. avatar Highvoltage says:

    It’s perfectly legal to bring a gun into an airport, as long as you follow the procedures and regs regarding traveling with them as checked luggage. It’s illegal to carry a loaded firearm and shoot people though.

    1. avatar great unknown says:

      Except in NY and NJ, where’s it’s legal under federal law, but they’ll arrest you anyway. Because they can.

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      In Washington state it is NOT illegal to carry a loaded firearm in an airport, outside the restricted security areas, if you have a Concealed Pistol License. It is, however, illegal to shoot people there without a really good reason.

      That said, I suspect you would still have an interesting interchange with law enforcement if you carelessly revealed your pistol, even though we are a supposedly open-carry state.

  12. avatar RightYouAreKen says:

    “12:17 p.m.: A federal law enforcement official said that the gunman was a ticketed passenger entering the airport. Officials don’t believe the gunman has ever worked for TSA. Law enforcement sources had earlier told The Times the gunman was a TSA employee.”

    Humm…reminds me of the Men In Black.

    “No, what you ACTUALLY saw was swamp gas reflecting light from venus….”

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      This makes zero sense.

      1. avatar RightYouAreKen says:

        My comment? Watch Men In Black and it’ll make sense. (hint…federal agents coming in to pull the wool over witnesses eyes disputing initial reports).

  13. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

    Does this mean they are going to tear down this terminal and build a new one?

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      +10,000, and a long-distance high five.

  14. avatar Ralph says:

    Headline from the New York Daily Snooze: “TSA worker dead after automatic rifle rampage”

    So are the authors stupid or just ignorant?

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      “Former journalism students”.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        So, stewpid and ignorint.

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      NYU School of Journalism interns. They work for the scraps that real reporters leave behind, and write most of the copy at the NYDN.

    3. avatar bigskydoc says:

      Well, according to the TTAG article, Airport Police Chief Gannon did say that the shooter used “an assault rifle”.

      So, technically the news reporter is reporting correctly, even if inadvertently, based on what the chief said.

      Of course, what are the chances that the chief and the reporter know a assault rifle from a modern sporting rifle? Zip or Nada?

      -bsd

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        In California, no difference between the two. Every MSR IS an AW. Only a matter of time before they put that slogan on their license plates.

  15. avatar the ruester says:

    “Very strong anti-government views” says MSNBC.
    “Should social media be scanned by the NSA so that people with very strong anti-government views can be added to the prohibited persons list? Piers Morgan reports…”

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Um, DHS has been scanning social media for years. Along with the NYPD (and probably the LAPD also).

  16. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    A former TSA employee killed a current TSA employee. Hmmm.

    I’m sorry, what was the problem here again? That there might not be enough TSA employees to grab my privates when I go through airport security?

  17. avatar tdiinva says:

    Instead of beating up on LEOs it seems that we should making the point that only the presence of people with guns stop this from being another mass shooting. This should be a win for our side and not for the gun grabbers. We don’t live in the MDA fantasy world where if you only take away guns nobody will ever get hurt. Our point is that criminals and madmen will use violence against innocent people. and that most of places we visit in our day-to-day lives are very soft targets and don’t have the presence of armed guards like an airport. That is why people should have the right to choose armed self defense so when a crazy or a terrorist shows up at the local mall that we can protect ourselves and in doing so protect others. So instead of fixating on what kind of gun was used or knocking TSA or LEOs perhaps we can do the cause some good by making sure everybody understands that a good guy with gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.

    And by way an “official” is a senior manager not the rank and file.

    1. avatar Good Guy With a Gun says:

      this

    2. avatar Mark N. says:

      What does “beating up on LEOs” have to do with the price of tea in china? TSA are not LEOs.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Not LEO.

      2. avatar tdiinva says:

        Another guy who doesn’t get it. Maybe because your comprehension isn’t very good.

  18. avatar AJ says:

    “Man on the street interviewee” commented:

    Crazy people with guns, and nobody wants to give up their guns so this keep happening.

    1. avatar EagleScout87 says:

      I heard that too. Way to practically disseminate the multitude of issues and facts associated with violence in America. When you get to Greece, please stay there.

  19. avatar Moose says:

    The more amazing event is here is that someone was likely fired by the TSA at some point. He had to be seven kinds of crazy to get that done.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      Or caught stealing from luggage for the eighth time by someone not TSA.

  20. avatar Fug says:

    My girlfriend was flying last year and she noticed an air marshal on one of her flights. It was a woman, wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a pistol in a small of the back holster that she was having a great deal of trouble concealing during the flight.

    Airport security needs to be overhauled. TSA should be abandoned after the repeated, scandalous incidents we have seen since the agency was founded. Air marshals should police both airports and the flights themselves. They should also get some damn cross draw holsters.

  21. avatar Chase says:

    LOL. I can shoot a under over faster than 10 a minute.

    [I made it pretty for you. — Matt in FL]

    1. avatar tdiinva says:

      I guess a trap door Springfield is an assault rifle. Back in the day a well trained solider might get 10 rounds in a minute.

    2. avatar William Burke says:

      Dirk’s Dream Lover. Good luck keeping her mouth from flapping in the sack, Diggler.

      1. avatar Steve says:

        There many are solutions to that particular problem, but for the sake of propriety, I won’t mention them here…

    3. avatar KMc says:

      She really is dumber than a box of hammers, isn’t she?

    4. avatar Ralph says:

      So my Mosin M44 is an assault weapon? Way to go, Natasha!

    5. avatar Ing says:

      Heck, I can put all 14 rounds from my lever-action rifle into a coffee-can lid at 10 yards in less than 20 seconds. Assault rifle?

      Shannon has a lot of catching up to do. She seems to be stuck somewhere in the year 1801.

  22. avatar ValleyForge77 says:

    “Through counter-intelligence it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble-makers and neutralize them”

    http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/mlk-document-friday-through-counter-intelligence-it-should-be-possible-to-pinpoint-potential-trouble-makers-and-neutralize-them/

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        “The malware, Ruiu believes, is transmitted though USB drives to infect the lowest levels of computer hardware.”
        BINGO! Been there, done that, bought the hamburger. Ain’t no magic air gap-jumping code that I know of that doesn’t have access associated in some way or other. Except in the movies.

        1. avatar ValleyForge77 says:

          The code doesn’t actually proliferate through the air, but it can pass data (ie – report on what it found), just as any audio device could.. within range, of course. You are correct, it proliferated through USB.

  23. avatar Chase says:

    The MSM is really trying real hard to change the story.

    Media claiming he is anti government because he was asking people if they were TSA. I didn’t know TSA had casual Friday.

    Idiots I swear.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      At present, the narrative is like a kite in a hurricane, with a broken string.

  24. avatar the ruester says:

    “suspect had anti-govt materials when detained.”

    My bet on what it was?

    The Declaration of Independence.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      A teabag.

    2. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

      A “New Black Panthers” flyer?

  25. avatar Silvercaper says:

    I was watching a live feed on the LA Times website and an eyewitness stated that the suspect had a handgun and a shotgun–a pump shotgun.

  26. avatar Ima Yeti says:

    It’s always the places with the most restrictions that have the most shootings. I’m rapidly gaining respect for the power of “expectations.” Treat people like criminals and they’ll act that way. Here in Texas I can go to the Capitol. I can show my Concealed Carry License, and I’m allowed to bypass the line at the metal detector and go see the governor or whomever, armed and unsearched!

  27. avatar Rokurota says:

    It’s almost 1700 EDT and I’m still not seeing confirmation on this. “Preliminary information indicated that the suspect may have been an off-duty TSA employee, but a federal official told CBS News the suspect was not a current or former employee of the agency.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57610433/lax-shooting-kills-tsa-officer-wounds-others/

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Thanks for that.

  28. avatar Jay1987 says:

    TSA the new USPS???

  29. avatar Ralph says:

    The shooter was not a former TSA agent. But he was a former journalism major.

  30. avatar Heretical Politik says:

    CNN reporting the shooter targeted TSA only: http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/01/us/lax-gunfire/index.html

  31. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    A few minutes ago on the drive home I heard on NPR that the shooter was in custody.

  32. avatar Brooklyn in da house says:

    This is going to be interesting. Are they going to focus on the gun like they do most of the time or are they going to run with the anti-government angle? Is this going to give the TSA more power now instead of getting rid of them? I dont want to be a conspiracy theorist but the timing and location of this stinks.

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