UPDATE: Moms Demand Action Lied About Arlington Staples Incident, Made the Whole Thing Up

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Confusion and lies — it’s how gun control advocates advance their position. Because as we all know, there are no actual facts behind their stance; only emotion. So it should probably come as no surprise that the Moms Demand Action crowd duped just about everyone when they posted their triumphant “victory” about getting a Staples store in Virginia to turn their business into a gun free zone. We picked up on this story from Miguel, who has done a little more research into the situation and found out that not only did the MDA crowd never succeed in getting the manager to agree to make the change, but the manager in question never had the power to do so in the first place.

From HSGCA:

Caller: “I’ve been hearing reports about your store, the particular location, enacting a gun prohibition policy?”

Store: “Yeah, that was a misquote on Facebook. We never had a sign up… They put it in there, and we are trying to get it taken down… But we don’t have that sign on the store… They put a bunch of information on Facebook that wasn’t accurate.“

And the analysis from Bob Owens:

In the specific instance of the Arlington, VA Staples store in question, the manager did not post signs prohibiting legal carry of firearms, and did not even verbally agree to post signs  prohibiting the legal carry of firearms to the best of corporate’s knowledge.

Put in the plainest possible terms, store managers do not have the authority to change corporate policy on a whim, and Moms Demand Action is not only being deceptive in their claims, they are also wasting their time as they descend up stores in groups and attempt to bully unfortunate store managers into compliance with their prohibitionist views

So, the original premise of the article we ran still stands. If the MDA crowd bullies someone into changing their policies, that’s activism. But anyone else is a mean, nasty bully.

Except in this case, the whole situation was completely fabricated by Moms Demand Action from the beginning. There never was a “victory” to trumpet about adding one more store to the list of gun free zones. There never was a reversal by the manager based on input from gun rights supporters. And according to Staples, the manager doesn’t even have the authority to do so.

It really makes you think. If the gun control advocates’ position is the “right” one, then why do they need to make anything up? Why don’t they open the comments sections of they YouTube videos? And why don’t they allow any form of criticism whatsoever on their Facebook page?

comments

  1. avatar Matt in FL says:

    I really like this post.

    I don’t just like it, I like like it.

    Like in high school.

    1. avatar disthunder says:

      Matt, we should drink to this post.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        I started an hour ago.

        1. avatar JW says:

          Damn! He beat us again… Guess he’s still the fastest “shot” in the east 😉

    2. avatar Taylor Tx says:

      You want to go steady with this post huh

      Seriously, I loved the point about prohibitionist women as well. Brought to mind some scenes from Broadway Empire about women of the time crusading against a perceived evil.

    3. avatar RandallOfLegend says:

      I read this post while drinking the last of my Johnny Walker Green Label. I feel good about everything. Except that Johnny Walker Green is no longer bottled.

      1. avatar Joe says:

        They make something other than blue?

    4. avatar MiketheHopsFarmer says:

      “But don’t tell Matt I said so, ok Gene?”
      Sorry man, couldn’t help myself.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        You’re a bastard and I hate you. I’d almost forgotten about her.

  2. avatar Ross says:

    Gun control 101. We will never win on facts so just make shit up.

    1. avatar noofus says:

      I had to read that a couple times, because the way you wrote it made it seem like we are the ‘we’, but I think you meant that they are the ‘we’ in your sentence. I rewrote it for you using some quote marks:

      Gun control 101: “We will never win on facts so just make shit up.”

      1. avatar Ross says:

        Yes you are correct, thank you.

    2. avatar DDay says:

      Follow their twitter feeds, they make sh!t up ALL the time. Read their conversations, they are really detached from reality, I mean really detached. They live in their own very strange world.

      1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

        Not to put to fine a point on it, but if you want to believe in gun/weapon control, you NEED to be detached from reality.

        The real world in which bad people can do bad things without fear of consequence in a unarmed society. A reality supported by logic and evidenced by history, to take a stance against that, you MUST be detached. Anyone who has been forced by life experiences to see the world we live in for what it is, can no longer stand for disarmament agendas, even if they themselves could not take another life to preserve their own.

    3. avatar JJM123 says:

      Thought there were criminal &/or civil consequences for Slander and Libel? Continuous and repeated lies and twisting of the facts must have consequences other than just ridicule, distrust and voter choice years later. 1st amendment was not intended for intentional misinformation.

  3. avatar William Burke says:

    The MDA creed: In the absence of an actual victory, an imaginary victory will do just fine. Lie like a false Coral Snake, smile like an angel.

    A very smug angel.

  4. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    Nothing new, move along now.
    Just like Obama I bet most of their likes are fake accounts or people who are pro gun but following what they are doing. smh…

    1. avatar D says:

      I totally agree with this assessment. I don’t think they have even a quarter of the number of ‘members’ they claim to have. Several marketing firms can give you as many ‘likes’ on facebook as you want just so you appear popular.

      One like = one member? Ha!!!

    2. avatar Gene says:

      I think this is the right profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton

      Look at the advertised skills -PR, commumications, public affairs, crisis management for healthcare, monsanto,. She knows how to work it.

      1. avatar SpeleoFool says:

        If she’s so good at her job, then how have I arrived at the opinions that healthcare is a nightmare and Monsanto is ruining food?

        Seems like she’s doing the same bang-up job selling the dangers of firearms. I don’t care what’s on the resume–I wouldn’t hire her to run a lemonade stand.

        1. avatar Gene says:

          Look at the Monsanto stock price and dividends. During her time as part of that org, it did sligtly better for a while than the djia. Having said that, she was part of PR, not the entirety. These positions gave her experience. Keep in mind, she isn’t interested in swaying your position because there are 100’s of others that are more easily pursuaded. Point being, she was involved with some pretty big players who know how to position things and make valid or invalid information work. She works in a wprld of perception – facts are irrelevant.

        2. avatar dwb says:

          Investor Relations and PR jobs at large firms are glorified overpaid secretarial jobs. They collect bullets from other executives and they make some edits in powerpoint.They do not even go to the bathroom without consulting with in-house attorneys. If she were good at sales or origination, she’d be in sales or origination. The job is to smile and say what the CEO, CFO, and attorneys told you to say without screwing up and getting the company sued or worse. She’s accustomed to having her work scrubbed before it goes public, I predict her half life is about another 6 months before she blows herself up and has to re re re invent herself.

  5. avatar Ralph says:

    Shannon Twatts — Liar for Hire. And she don’t come cheap.

    1. avatar Damocles says:

      LOL oh the possible follow-on jokes are endless…..

      1. avatar ExNuke says:

        It doesn’t even need to be a joke. She is a paid Judas Goat working for Bloomberg’s money and if he quit paying her she would “move on” to a more lucrative position. What do you call a woman who will take a position for money that she wouldn’t take for fun?

  6. avatar Damocles says:

    “If the cause of gun control was so great, you would not need to blatantly lie to promote it.” ~Shamelessly copied from elsewhere.

  7. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    Imagine my unsurprised face.

    Same tactics, different bunch of women, different decade.

    1. avatar Lolinski says:

      Who was the other group of women in another decade? I am curious.

      1. avatar Bill says:

        D-MADD , Drunk Moms against Drinking and Driving!

  8. avatar shawn says:

    Everyone smear them on FB and twitter…make up accounts. Just do it.

    1. avatar CK in CA says:

      And mention all of their lies on their Wikipedia article:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moms_Demand_Action

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        And mention this article and Bob Owens’ article in the references.

    2. avatar AFIraqVet says:

      We don’t have to “smear” them. All we have to do is point out their own lies and distortions, and relentlessly hammer away at the massive flaws in their arguments.

  9. avatar gloomhound says:

    HaHa

  10. avatar SCS says:

    Lies from the liberal gun grabbers. I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

  11. avatar 505markf says:

    Oh, my… Moms that lie… I would never have imagined. I mean I didn’t go blind from… well, you know.

    1. avatar SAS 2008 says:

      #MomsThatLie or #MomBullies

  12. avatar Don says:

    Good luck with more Staples stores MDA. You are getting closer, maybe the next victory won’t have to be made up!

    By the way, look at this (Right to Carry GIF):
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Rtc2.gif

    Also, you are welcome for the approaching-record-low violent crime rates.

    -D

    1. avatar Damocles says:

      That is sweet. I will say, as a person who has been stranded in Illinois for 4 years, the opportunity may present itself for me to be able to move to Wyoming. I am praying.

      1. avatar Avid Reader says:

        I’ll cross my fingers. I’ve lived in both places, and I’d much rather be in Wyoming.

        Take your warm clothes. . .

        1. avatar Damocles says:

          Thanks Avid Reader!

        2. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Likewise. And learn to love Hamm’s. Don’t drink Coors – it’s water source is downstream from the Rocky Flats plant.

        3. avatar Avid Reader says:

          Yeah, but Hamm’s is brewed by Miller/Coors now, so that might not save you. . .

    2. avatar Scott says:

      Like how it starts turning more green at the end. I like green.

  13. avatar TT says:

    Shouldn’t someone on here put this together and send it to Fox. They might air a story about a lying liberal and if Staples will back it up, this might sink Ms. Watts.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      ^ This !!!!!!

  14. avatar Fug says:

    It is funny how they can’t help but look sleazy. The one on the right looks like she literally just got away with murder, I can’t help but laugh.

  15. avatar Frank Masotti says:

    Surprise surprise, another gun natzi group caught lieing. So what else is new?

  16. avatar Venator Magnus says:

    Someone needs to send this to Awr Hawkins at Breitbart.

  17. avatar PeterC says:

    One might wonder, what kind of poor, wimpy bastids are these harpies married to?

    1. avatar 505markf says:

      Deaf mute sperm donors?

      1. avatar Avid Reader says:

        More likely guys that have a quick wank in the shower so they won’t be tempted later. . .

    2. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Stepford husbands.

  18. avatar Ralph says:

    I’m taking a poll.

    Who’s the biggest Liar for Hire in the world — Shannon Twatts or Jay Carney?

    This one is too close to call.

    1. avatar dwb says:

      Martin look how much i did for Bodymore O’Malley

    2. avatar tdiinva says:

      Watts. Carney is the Presidential Press Secretary. Lying is one of the job requirements.

      1. avatar Jus Bill says:

        We have a winner!

  19. avatar BDub says:

    It seems like they made up a story about a small group victory that was being walked back, in order to generate enough outrage in the hopes it might lead them to an actual victory. Not an unheard of strategy. And if you have greater access to media/publicity it can be a winning strategy, as only your side may ever get heard.

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      No, actually they haven’t had a clear-cut victory in quite some time. Most of their recent “victories” occurred after non-battles or were really “rainouts” (think about their Starbuck’s victory fiasco, or their Texas dinner meeting peccadillo).

  20. avatar g says:

    Professional Monsanto liar for the LOSS.

  21. avatar Hugh Glass says:

    #noliarsallowed

  22. avatar Stinkeye says:

    I’m confused. Why lie about a success, then also lie about it being derailed by pushback from gun owners? Why not just chalk up the fake win and move on to the next fabrication? What was their end game here?

    1. avatar rp says:

      I think it is called bullying. They think they can act like they have a lot of political pull. I think their idea was that people would just roll over once they heard the announcement. Bullying is what Dems do best. To announce the agreement true or not is a tactic Dems use for the EPA and other groups to get their way. They lie, distort, or make up statistic for their own advantage. Probably thought that no one would question their announcement.

  23. avatar John Fritz says:

    I’ll add something, that picture up top of here had me a little suspicious earlier. I looked at it for a long time and it damn well looks to me like a carefully planned shot. Like almost every single picture I see that Watts girl in, it looks a little too polished and/or staged to be just a couple of women yukin’ it up at a Staples one Tuesday afternoon. Or whatever.

    From my admittedly amateur photographer’s eye, Watts seems fairly photogenic (albeit partially as a result of an undetermined amount of helpful Lifestyle Lift perhaps). But that still doesn’t explain how any picture of her looks like it was taken by someone who has some decent equipment and knows what they’re doing.

    Everything’s a Potemkin Village with her and these MDA women.

    1. avatar Jeff says:

      it’s pretty simple really. she has an OK photographer on hire who carries around a nice DSLR camera and portable softbox for lighting. that’s what gives the photos that staged lighting quality.

      no cell phone shots or pocket digicam shots for MDA, not polished enough. but it doesn’t take much to get that polish.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        I bet she said “hey, we appreciate the time you took talking with us, do you think we can get a friendly photo to show how we’re having dialog?” instead of “Hey, can I take a photo of you to use for propaganda purposes?”

  24. avatar Sixpack70 says:

    Every time I see a picture of these women, it makes me think of this picture.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPV0WK18jYw/TPMto-JYzYI/AAAAAAAAABI/Q6gzFiwnNK8/s400/Prohibition+Women.png

    1. avatar Jeff says:

      yes, MDA takes many cues from the temperance movement.

  25. avatar Jeh says:

    Yet the original was posted here, giving them coverage. Which im pretty sure is what they want, relevance. How about no more porno posts?

  26. avatar JackinAlabama says:

    I was kinda curious about that – my DiL is a territory manager for them down in FL, and she called “bs” on it when I asked her about it…

  27. avatar mirgc says:

    In my college it was often that a liberal cause would do some sort of camp-out or such. If you even just walked by them without giving any attention, and didn’t give them evil eyes or openly contest them, they considered that as a sign of support for their cause. One group went so far as to state “wear jeans and a t-shirt on Friday to show your support for our cause!!”. Remember, this is a northwest school around mid spring time in the 90’s were everyone college student pretty much already wore jeans/t-shirt already.

    In this Staples case, I’m sure the manager met them for the photo, said something nice about their shoes, and that was probably it. But to the MDA’s eyes/ears, “We are doing it!!!!” and rode that imaginary high-horse unicorn over their delusional starburst rainbow.

  28. avatar Tom says:

    Mom’s Demand Action [MDA] to be renamed: Control Freaks Demand Submission [CF-DS].

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      How about Controlling Underhanded Nascent Tyrants?

  29. avatar Leadbelly says:

    Do you truly expect “truth in advertising”? Do you expect to be able to respond to a misleading billboard?

    That’s all they are – a one woman advertising agency.

  30. avatar MattG says:

    MDA is all smoke and mirrors. The mainstream media is in their back pocket and will never expose them for the tiny little group of pathetic manipulators/provocateurs that they actually are. I’m surprised they changed their name from “one million moms for gun control” even, I guess they realized they could only get 1/10th of that to like them on facebook and thus become a “member” with no commitment of time or $.

    1. avatar Lucas D. says:

      They’re starting to seem like the Westboro Church of the anti-gun lobby; sanctimonious and insufferable, but not nearly as influential or important as the media want you to believe.

      1. avatar Denny says:

        Agreed that’s another bunch of wack job freeks… Witch hunt deserved there.

  31. avatar JimD says:

    I posted on their FB page about how they were full of shit and the deleted my comments and blocked me. Yet another sign that they have neither integrity nor a solid argument. We should get everybody to flood them with comments.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Welcome to the “blocked” club. It’s at least a couple hundred members strong at this point.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Maybe I should get a facebook page for sole purpose of joining the blocked club.

    2. avatar JimD says:

      It’s actually a good sign if you think about it. If they were actually right, they would be able to make us look pretty stupid but all they can do is delete our posts and block us for lack of a valid argument.

  32. avatar james says:

    thanks a lot. I just went to their facebook page. now i’m pissed at all of their ignorant comments.

    1. avatar JimD says:

      It’s pretty horrible

  33. avatar Wally says:

    I think M.D.A. are RACISTS! Where are the women “of color”?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      Well, they did get Dirk muzzled here after his moment of fame in one of their screeds.

  34. avatar MacBeth51 says:

    “They put it in there, and we are trying to get it taken down”
    So, someone put up an un-authorized sign. I wonjder who?

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      I think that means “They (Staples) are trying to get the erroneous information about them taken down,” not that they’re trying to get the sign taken down.

  35. avatar Chris says:

    Moms Demand Action still sounds like an amateur web porn site.

    1. avatar Pulatso says:

      Given the nature of porn mirroring pop culture, if they ever do actually get any degree of public notice, it will be.

  36. avatar Hal says:

    Must… Adhere… To new TTAG flaming policy… Must not use… Word that rhymes with Watts…

    1. avatar Avid Reader says:

      I dunno, Ralph came pretty close. . .but he used the proper noun. Maybe that works.

  37. avatar Pete says:

    Yeah we all need to learn that no matter how right you are, you don’t get to be a jerk about it. Not that you need to be a pansy either. Just take a lesson from this and don’t compromise your integrity to be “right” about things.

  38. avatar Tim says:

    “Why don’t they open the comments sections of they YouTube videos?”

    Interesting typo…

  39. avatar Aharon says:

    “Because as we all know, there are no actual facts behind their stance; only emotion”

    Same with the feminists and their claims about numbers and facts.

  40. avatar Chip says:

    Is it just me or does the Shannon lady look like she was dropped in with photoshop? That is Shannon there just to the left of the Store Manager, yes?

    1. avatar Jus Bill says:

      That would not surprise me at all. Typical of their TTPs.

  41. avatar Excedrine says:

    The fact that I’m not terribly surprised to find this out doesn’t bother me.

    This is my surprised face: 8|

    What bothers me is that there are still people out there that will back her up despite the deception and continue to support her in her efforts (to blatantly lie to the public about everything).

    If her mouth is moving, she’s lying — and so is everyone who agrees with her.

  42. avatar JoshuaS says:

    Talk about pathetic. When you have to lie just to claim an insignificant and petty victory, that is just sad

  43. avatar Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

    These bitches are the 21st century Carrie Nations.

    Never acquiesce, never give a millimeter.

  44. avatar WI Patriot says:

    They lie ALL the time, ALL leftist/liberal groups do, it’s what they do, it’s how they get sheep…

  45. avatar Joseph B. Campbell says:

    Obama’s Liars Club.

  46. avatar Doug says:

    Typical for the thugs with jugs. All of the anti groups spew lies since that is all they have.

  47. avatar Joe says:

    Those stupid signs are made of paper. No way they’re going to stop flying lead.

  48. avatar Anonymous says:

    Lies is really all they really have. When the core of their belief is a lie (Gun control is the solution), then all they can do is construct a skyscraper of garbage and lies on top of it.

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