Armed Good Samaritan Should Have Walked Away. Or So Says The Ventilated Perp’s Family.

Image courtesy Fox10

“You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.” These words of Solomonic wisdom were uttered by the family of 18 year-old Adric White (above) after White was shot multiple times by an armed Good Samaritan in Mobile, Alabama last week. White remains hospitalized in serious condition–and armed police custody. Upon his release from the hospital, he will proceed directly to jail without passing Go or collecting one hundred dollars. We can probably assume that White’s enabling relatives are angry about that, too . . .

Their comments come in the aftermath of the most obviously justifiable ‘defense of others’ shooting I’ve ever heard about. According to police, White was robbing a Family Dollar store in Mobile, Alabama at gunpoint when an unnamed and lawfully armed Good Samaritan entered the store.

White failed to maintain situational awareness while he was holding a gun to an employee’s head and dragging him toward the front of the store, and our GGWG (Good Guy With A Gun) got the drop on him.

From Fox10tv.com:

“He had the gun to his head. He had him on his knees,” said the [Good Samaritan]. “I drew my gun on him and I said ‘Hey don’t move.’ At that point he swung around and before he had a chance to aim the gun at me I fired. I didn’t want to shoot him, but when I saw him swing around so fast I didn’t want to get shot either.”

White was hit five times. After he was taken to the hospital, authorities discovered that he was out on bail for a similar armed robbery at an oyster restaurant just over a month earlier.

And this is where one of White’s idiot relatives chimed in.

“If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him – what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” said the relative. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”

Yes, I’d like to know what kind of family upbringing would lead someone (someone like Adric White) to believe that it’s okay to just rob people at gunpoint? White’s childhood among such idiot relatives as this one probably did him no favors. When asked about the other armed robbery White was out on bail from, the idiot relative decided it was time to STFU, which he or she should have done well before opening his/her mouth.

“We don’t know [about the other pending charges]. Like I said, we don’t know anything. We only know what we’ve been hearing second hand through the news. I would not like to comment because I don’t know,” she said.

White now faces additional armed robbery and firearms charges, and his bail on the prior charge will be revoked as soon as they can drag his drugged and leaking carcass into court. Authorities have defended the GGWG’s actions as a legally justified use of deadly force.

comments

  1. avatar dwb says:

    Shot five times … and lived. People of the gun should rise up and reward the good Samaritan with a new and more worthy gun, preferably something not in the .177 cal he has now.

    1. avatar Oddux says:

      It can happen with any caliber, it’s all about placement, how fast aid arrives, and a few other lucky factors.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        In a first world society, upwards of 75% of people who are shot survive it, and if they make it to a hospital within a half hour, that statistic is something upwards of 90%.

        1. avatar Cliff H says:

          Perhaps Nick, in his official EMT capacity, can offer an opinion as to why first responders are so diligent on doing everything possible to ensure these (innocent until proven guilty in a court of law) perps survive to face trial and congest our prisons for the next few decades?

          It’s a difficult question.

          Additionally, this is a very strong argument for never letting yourself, your familly or your friends carry “mouse guns”.

        2. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Because the task they set themselves to is the saving of life. They do not draw lines, and that is an attitude worthy of respect.

          Also, think of it in terms of the training questions that have been asked: You come around a corner and discover someone beating on someone else. Do you assume the person being beaten is the victim? What if the person on the ground is a mugger who only lost the upper hand to the person standing over them just before you turned the corner?

          EMTs don’t know what happened before they got there, they only know that someone leak-checked the guy laying on the ground, and they need to stop it. Everything else is detail.

        3. avatar neiowa says:

          I’ll answer that.

          Johnnie WannabeRambo in his ninji suit and vest, carrying an M16 with backwards mounted ACOG, shows up in a armored vehicle (with 50 of his donut basted buds) to shoot up the neighborhood. You want my EMTs to triage by “uniform” and treat just the guys in the SS clownsuits? That is convict and sentence to death whomever the they shot behind whatever random door they knocked in? Don’t think we’re there yet.

          Now in my County I don’t think the sheriff has been bought by the Feds but if enough of them show up the Sheriff and his 7 deputies aren’t likely to win the day. (Will may well triage by – know this homeowner/don’t know Mr “White”)

          The Good Sam. needs a bigger gun with a bigger magazine and better ammo. Someone needs to start the “Zimmerman Fund”, Get 501C3 and start making awards.

        4. avatar Mike H. in WA says:

          Honestly, what difference does it make that White lived? The Good Sam ended the threat and saved the clerk. It doesn’t matter how big or small the caliber was… it was big enough to end the confrontation with only the bad guy getting shot.

        5. avatar Fudgesicle says:

          I used to work in the ICU at a level 1 trauma center. I remember an incident where a man was shot in the heart, and the cardiothoracic surgeon saved him.

          My first thought? “Damn, what’s it take to kill a man these days?”

        6. avatar Will P says:

          I work as a full time EMT. It is not my decision who lives or who dies, it is my job to do my best to save lives unbiasedly. I have worked quite a few gun shot victims, most of them have been “thugs”, thats does not change my treatment plans. Did I know they were in the wrong, yes. But we are neither judge nor jury, and our moto is “Do no harm”, neglect is a form of harm.

        7. avatar Adub says:

          I think to save taxpayers’ money, one should always “accidentally” fire one last time as the suspect “moves threateningly”. Sadly, that round will “accidentally” strike them in the cranium.

        8. avatar Nagurski says:

          How fast you get to a hospital is BY FAR the most important factor. At the surgical hospitals in Iraq and Afganistan the survival rate of patients that still had a heartbeat when they arrived was at almost 99%. A .22 to the gut when you are an hour away from the Hospital is more deadly than losing both legs to an IED when you are 2 minutes away.

      2. avatar William Burke says:

        Mehmet Ali Agca shot Pope John Paul, a relatively frail man, four times, and he survived.

        1. avatar tdiinva says:

          Where do you get the idea that JPII wad a frail man in the early 1980s? He was an accomplished down hill skier and spend many hours hiking in the mountains. His security detail couldn’t keep up with him.

        2. avatar Stinkeye says:

          In any case, you’d have to agree that JPII, at the time of his shooting, likely would qualify as frailer than the ventilated dirtbag in this story.

          The human body is an incredible thing. Sometimes it can take unbelievable punishment and keep rocking on, and sometimes all it takes is a tiny bit of damage to the right place. There are accounts of people taking a direct hit from a 12 ga 00 buck shell in the face or chest and still functioning for several minutes.

        3. avatar tdiinva says:

          He was my age when he got shot. As they say in hockey “Do you want to go?”

        4. avatar Stinkeye says:

          Calm down, Gramps. You’ll give yourself agita… 🙂

        5. avatar tdiinva says:

          A funny way of telling you not to associate age and feebleness. One of counterattackers on flight 93 was a 70 year ex-paratrooper who could still kick most 30 years old’s butts. If someone skies and hikes in the mountains then he isn’t feeble.. Hope you live long enough to figure that out. I might win but it’s going be painful for the other person.

        6. avatar Matt in TX says:

          Xray tech with 27 years xp. I have taken pictures of people who have put a shotgun in their mouth, pulled the trigger and lived. My experience is that, it is very easy to hurt a human body. It is very hard to do enough damage to a human body to shut it down immediately

        7. avatar Huntmaster says:

          Just a guess but maybe someone in his corner had a little extra horsepower ???

      3. avatar Tim says:

        There’s a good Youtube video about this:

        /watch?v=wXwPtP-KDNk

        1. avatar rlc2 says:

          Good vid reference.
          BTW at 7:42 theres a pic of what the presenter claims is JFKs head wound.

          To my earlier point about “lets not rush to publish pictures of kindergarteners at Sandy Hook”…

      4. avatar Pat says:

        I am guessing the creep wasn’t filled with 357mag rounds.

      5. avatar fromtexasbygod says:

        The shooter needs to go through a few two the the body one to the head drills.

    2. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Unless the good Samaritan shot the attacker after he was down and unconscious, it took five shots to disable that one attacker. And we don’t know if there were any misses on top of those five shots. Now what if there had been two assailants? Would the good Samaritan have needed 10 rounds? Or more? This is why the New York SAFE Act is garbage and should be immediately invalidated.

      1. avatar Gadsd N. Flagg says:

        According to the local news TV station, there was indeed another armed perp who ran away but was later picked up. And based on the soundtrack of that news clip, in which the the armed citizen (aka GGWG) being interviewed was only shown in shadow, this good guy was probably also black which would help explain why Al Sharpton and his ilk are failing to rush to Mobile for some quality time in front of the cameras.

    3. avatar (Formerly) MN Matt says:

      He hit him five times? Hell, give the man a medal for accuracy!

      1. avatar John S. says:

        +1 (and a spare magazine)

      2. avatar dwb says:

        Well, there is that.

      3. avatar Adub says:

        Give the man a badge! NY and CA could use cops that can hit a perp without hitting the broad side of a barn too!

      4. avatar AlphaGeek says:

        This. 5/5 hits for effect, in rapid succession, with a hostage in the field of fire… the GGWG deserves the Badass Shooter Of The Week award.

    4. avatar jwm says:

      The stat I’ve heard for years is that only 3-5% of handgun wounds are fatal in the US. With the possible exception of the handguns that are simply too big to carry edc, such as the .500 S&W, there really is no such thing as a powerful handgun. The caliber wars are something gun rags ginned up to sell copies to the low info gun owners.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        But .40 is still the clear choice.

        1. avatar (Formerly) MN Matt says:

          *facepalm*

        2. avatar jwm says:

          Fvck me. I needed a good laugh. Good day and bad day rolled into one.

        3. avatar Gyufygy says:

          Stop justifying your inferior .40 XDM and just admit you should have gotten the superlative 9mm XDM like all the smart, awesome people. :p

        4. avatar Matt in FL says:

          The only thing I will cop to is wishing I’d gotten the compact version, so I could have the choice of more concealability instead of only having the big grip.

        5. avatar Chad says:

          I just traded my xdm .40 for a .44mag.

        6. avatar Anon says:

          : ^ D

        7. avatar Matt in TX says:

          No, .45 XD Compact, all the way. 😉

          One of the other Matts needed to chime in.

        8. avatar Pat says:

          Well, that is why most of the cops, and the feds, went with the 40.

        9. avatar rlc2 says:

          wait- didn’t I read here on TTAG that .22LR is an excellent self defense round?

      2. avatar ThomasR says:

        I beg to differ, JWM; the Rowland .460 conversion, takes a .45 ACP gun and turns the cartridge into a .44 magnum equivalent without changing the gun or the length of the cartridge except for adding a compensator to the end of the barrel.

        So a typical .45 ACP 185 g bullet moving 1000 Ft/sec and 500 Ft/lbs at the muzzle is now moving at 1500 Ft/sec and a 1000 Ft/lbs at the muzzle; Significantly more than the 10mm

        This conversion works for many of the .45 ACP pistols, Glocks, 1911’s, Springfield XD and the Sig sauer 220,

        I’m very pleased with the conversion on my 1911; I would suggest checking out the website and the reviews by different posters.

        P.S. I don’t receive any compensation from Rowland for making this recommendation.

        1. avatar jwm says:

          ThomasR, there are exceptions to every rule. But is the rush on for everybody to trick out 1911s in the Rowland conversion?

        2. avatar rlc2 says:

          I’m going with the Coonan 1911 with trigger lock zip-tied on and duct-taped over for extra safety. That way I wont be disappointed when it fails to fire.

          It will also have the audio alert reminder so if I pull it out of the holster it sets off a belt buzzer and announcement to “just leave the store and get in your car and drive away”. Theres an option for shotguns that says “open windor and shoot two blasts into the air””, for home use.

      3. avatar AlphaGeek says:

        That’s an interesting stat, which likely includes negligent discharges to extremities and such.

        Look at it another way… what if that’s only true for each individual bullet wound, and the stats stack up or even multiply if you’re hit multiple times? I’d say the chances of surviving a single shot to the torso are reasonably good unless it hits an off-switch location… but I wouldn’t bet on surviving 6.

        1. avatar jwm says:

          It’s entirely possible that you’re right, AG. I didn’t google, I just worked from memory. Still, the news abounds with instances of people getting shot, mostly with handguns, and surviving.

      4. avatar Jake W says:

        What’s wrong with carrying a .500 EDC?

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          “What’s wrong with carrying a .500 EDC?”
          Do you mean besides printing through my t-shirt on my 6′, 165# frame?

        2. avatar Jake W says:

          @Rich Who on Earth would carry a .500 concealed without some kind of tactical murse? Or the other thing that people don’t like to talk about.

        3. avatar Rich Grise says:

          What do you get when you cross an elephant with a rhino?

          Elefino.

      5. avatar Pat says:

        You want incapacity, not fatality. That’s why the old 357 mags ruled.

      6. avatar Jean Paul says:

        I don’t think you’re accurate there. The 125 gr .357 Magnum has an outstanding reputation for being a stopper, and I can’t imagine that mushroomed round going through someone’s heart wouldn’t kill ’em.

        Oh, and George Zimmerman sure dropped Trayvon Martin with a single 9mm Sellier and Bellot HP round.

        It’s about placement, not caliber. A .22 to the head will kill you deader than Dillinger.

        1. avatar Pat says:

          Of course I am accurate, or, more to the point, you don’t have to hit the eyeball of a perp with a 22lr to stop them instantly. The 357Magnum has been proven to INSTANTLY incapacitate a perp with a hit to the Solar Plexus. The energy from the temporary (stretch) cavity drops them like a boxers punch to the mid-section.
          Its science. I love you.

        2. avatar Rich Grise says:

          I once saw a hidden-cam video of a drug sting gone bad. The narc tipped his hand somehow, the druggie drew on him and opened fire with a .22. The narc went down with his head toward the cam, which was just under tabletop level, so you got a view of the tops of his feet and the backs of his hands as he held them up as if to shield himself from the .22, and he was kicking his feet. The druggie emptied the .22 at the narc who was still kicking as the druggie threw the empty .22 at the narc and ran out the door.

          It really made me question the viability of a .22 for self-defense.

    5. avatar JeremyR says:

      They were all head shot, Might as well have been shooting an empty beer can.
      Of course the family is distraught, he was the bread winner, and they didn’t have work comp on him.

    6. avatar Scottlac says:

      It reminds me of that Mom with twins in Georgia who also shot a home invader 5-times and he still drove away. She had to threaten him with the empty gun to make her escape with the kids to a neighbor’s house. Moral of the story, shot placement and carry reloads. I love my .45 but 7-8 rounds is not enough when things get complicated and the perp brings friends along for the ride.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/05/my-wife-is-a-hero-georgia-mother-shoots-home-intruder-five-times-after-being-cornered/

    7. avatar Zach says:

      Remember that dude in Florida that was on bath salts and ate another guy’s face last year? I’m not sure how many times he was shot, but it was in the double digits with the LEO’s Glocks. I believe they carried 9mm. Sometimes people just make it out lucky i guess. 50 Cent was shot 9 times and he’s still walking (and talking with a lisp).

      1. avatar Rich Grise says:

        “bath salts”

        It’s just like anything else. If you ban something people want, people will find a way around the ban and/or find/invent a suitable substitute. But the Drug Warriors have the same mentality as the Anti-Constitution crowd: “That terrifies me, so I’m gonna send armed thugs to punish you for doing it.”

  2. avatar Dave s says:

    I agree, with family like that, you should feel at home with the other convicts.

    1. avatar LSUTigersFan says:

      I dare say he is home…

      1. avatar Fug says:

        This whole thing reminds me of Superjail. If you don’t know what it is, you should find out.

        This so-called “Good Samaritan” was, in fact Jailbot.

  3. avatar miserylovescompany says:

    And they wonder why we have a race relations problem?

    Tom

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      Tom, as an official OFWG in good standing I would like to say that over the years I have had quite cordial relationships and interactions with persons of almost all ethnicities, even Pakistani Muslims. As old-world Germanic/Scandinavian stock I yet have a half-Mexican nephew, two mulatto nephews, two half-Korean nephews, and who knows how many other mutts going on down the line.

      In the course of my many occupations, and in the Army, I have interacted with persons of color on a daily basis and in casual meetings and seldom had any conflicts or difficulties because I treat everyone as a person deserving of my respect until they give me a reason to believe otherwise. I say all this to point out that people are people, no matter where they are from or what shades they come in. In almost every case where there IS conflict it is from an incidental CULTURAL bias and not a racial or ethnic propensity to such conflict.

      We cannot allow ourselves through bigotry to alienate any person who is willing and anxious to be our ally, nor should we from political correctness refrain from pointing out that it is misguided cultural issues that bring discredit upon certain ethnic groups and that only they can resolve those issues within their group.

      1. avatar Totenglocke says:

        My guess is that he was referring to the prevalent attitude (among blacks, the media, and liberals) that blacks should be allowed to commit any crime they please without repercussions. They believe that having a certain skin color somehow absolves someone of responsibility for their actions.

        1. avatar miserylovescompany says:

          That may be a bit much, but I will certainly say that there is a strong element of denial of facts and reality at work.

          Tom

        2. avatar BDub says:

          You got all of that from that comment? I would have thought that reading between the lines would have necessitated, by definition, more than one line of text. Outstanding!

        3. avatar jwm says:

          So much fail. And more and more the tr0ll apellation seems to fit.

        4. avatar Anon says:

          Would you knock it the hell off? All Blacks don’t think that Blacks should be able to commit crimes any more than all Whites think that Whites should be able to commit crimes. Grow up and quit making us all look like a bunch of Bubbas.

        5. avatar Totenglocke says:

          Anon, when did I say anything about “all blacks”? Never. I said that the attitude is prevalent among blacks. If you don’t want gun owners portrayed as uneducated rednecks, you might want to learn the nuances of the English language.

      2. avatar Matt in TX says:

        DADDY!!!

    2. avatar PavePusher says:

      Serious WTF moment here…. News Flash: Stupid fucking crackers commit vile crimes too. (FTR, I are a cracker, in several senses.)

      1. avatar Pat says:

        Ah, but the damning numbers lie in the percentages, don’t they.

  4. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    “Upon his release from the hospital, he will proceed directly to jail without passing Go or collecting one two hundred dollars.”

    Fixed it for you.

    1. avatar Charles5 says:

      Beat me to it.

    2. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Chris is old. He learned Monopoly back before inflation kicked in.

      1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

        My gosh man!
        I felt that 3,000 miles away!
        Hahaha. I only say that because next week, I will qualify for senior citizens discount at a few restaurants in town.

        1. avatar Matt in FL says:

          Scroll down. It gets better.

        2. avatar miserylovescompany says:

          I’ve gotten the senior citizen’s discount at least three times without even being asked about my age…and I’m only 44.

          o.O!

          Tom

        3. avatar jwm says:

          Those were 44 hard years.

        4. avatar JeremyR says:

          Long story, my younger daughter was in her sophomore play as an old woman. After the opening night, we went to dinner at our favorite restaurant. She was still in costume, and we got a senior discount for her.
          Later, she stopped by the table and asked if that was my mom.
          I replied, no, my daughter.
          Dumb looks may be free, but that one was priceless.

        5. avatar Matt in TX says:

          It’s not the age of the car. It’s the mileage on the motor!

    3. avatar Bryan says:

      “…he will proceed directly to jail without passing Go or collecting one hundred dollars.”

      …or collecting his EBT card.

      There fixed it for both of you!

  5. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

    And white will probably be out within the next ten years to do this all over again.

    1. avatar mark_anthony_78 says:

      But at least our gun control laws and background check system will ensure that he doesn’t have a firearm next time, right?

      1. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

        No need to worry paper with fancy symbols on it will prevent the 28 year old version of him from buying a gun just like it did this time around.

    2. avatar Oddux says:

      With a grudge too, especially since his own family will be feeding his blame of the Good Samaritan rather than accepting guilt and encouraging him to rehabilitate.

      1. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

        I’m sure he learned a lesson from being shot 5 times…like shoot the hostages before you turn your back.

  6. avatar A-Rod says:

    Where is Al Sharpton?

    1. avatar LSUTigersFan says:

      He will be along shortly. He’s still trying to reach Oprah.

    2. avatar Gadsd N. Flagg says:

      As I noted in a comment above, the GGWG sounded black on the local TV newsclip even though they (wisely) didn’t show his face. If true, this event doesn’t fit Al Sharpton’s meme so why would he show up?

  7. avatar Matt in FL says:

    Zero goddamn sympathy. Zero.

    Is there a number less than zero? If there is, then that.

    That “just keep walking and mind your own business” attitude is the reason that your neighborhoods are fucking shitholes. I have nothing but contempt for people who evince this attitude, regardless of their skin color, ethnic background or economic class. You are your brother’s keeper, you piece of shit.

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      I fully realize I should probably not be near a keyboard when I’ve had a few.

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        If I stayed away from my keyboard when I’ve had a few, I’d never be near my keyboard. And that would make me sad.

        1. avatar (Formerly) MN Matt says:

          I think that would make a lot of us sad, Ralph.

      2. avatar Jim Barrett says:

        No, No, Matt. You said what I was thinking even more eloquently than I could have. I’ll give you a big Amen!

      3. because you use words like evince instead of more accessible words like exhibit?

      4. avatar Mark says:

        I wouldn’t say that. I love that comment.

      5. avatar William Burke says:

        Ah, what the hell? It’s Friday night, Matt! Bottoms up. I’ll drink to that.

      6. avatar LongBeach says:

        Nah man, you’re on point. And despite having a few drinks, you’re still more coherent than I would’ve been. A little more colorful than usual, but coherent.

      7. avatar PeterC says:

        In vino veritas.

      8. avatar LSUTigersFan says:

        Why? You nailed it. You just said what we were all thinking…

      9. avatar PavePusher says:

        Actually, that was perfectly coherent, and entirely cogent and appropriate.

    2. avatar ErrantVenture11 says:

      Word

    3. avatar Mike H. in WA says:

      I would have been slightly more more diplomatic… but yeah.

      What this family is saying that that you have no right to care about anyone other than yourself (and apparently kin). It’s apparently morally offensive to give a rat’s rear end about a stranger getting hurt, and a sin to defend a complete stranger’s life with your own.

      Also, you have the right to hurt anybody, and nobody has the right to stop you.

      Part of my would really love to see this family be truly victimized by something horrible, and have nobody do anything to help them, just so they understand how terrible the complete non-sense they’re spewing is.

      More sad than anything. I wouldn’t want to these people’s miserable lives.

      1. avatar Deb Vozniak says:

        Odds are that the family are also loudly “Christian” and declaim the faith to all and sundry. Obviously they failed the part of of the exam where they actually have to understand what that faith is, but I’ll bet they are loudly announcing their “belief” in Jesus and claiming that their relative should be forgiven because Jesus would want it that way.

        1. avatar Jus Bill says:

          Actually I think they go to Service for the music and the fellowship refreshments. Their attitude toward the rest of humanity was spotlighted above.

    4. avatar Chris Dumm says:

      HELL yes!

    5. avatar Codewarrior says:

      A number less than zero…

      I give your post a -1

      ;D

  8. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Excellent accuracy by the outstanding Samaritan.

  9. avatar LSUTigersFan says:

    If the President had a son, he would be just like Adric White…

    1. avatar Cliff H says:

      And Treyvon Martin? SHOT for being a punk and a criminal?

    2. avatar neiowa says:

      And the son would likely carry a machete.

  10. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    So how was this criminal out on bail able to acquire another firearm so quickly?

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      He must have used the gun show loophole.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        Beat me to it.

      2. avatar Adub says:

        This thread is full of so much win!

    2. avatar Jim Barrett says:

      You’re right. We gotta fix this. How about some more laws. That should do it…

    3. avatar HiddenHills says:

      Because the cops didn’t look under the mattress.

  11. avatar peirsonb says:

    Yet another misunderstood young man trying to get his life together. When will people stop to think of the children?

    If only the store had had a no gun sign in the window, the robbery never would’ve happened.

    Really, just testing out gun grabber memes….take your guess as to which we hear first.

    1. avatar B says:

      There will be no coverage, because its proof that concealed carriers save lives. Plus advertising black on black violence doesn’t fit the narrative.

  12. avatar Ralph says:

    If Shannon Watts had a son, he’d look like Adric White.

    1. avatar Jim Barrett says:

      I think she does. Hopefully someone with more common sense than God gave gravel will get their hands on him and educate him properly. I really hope the apples fall way far from the tree in that case.

      1. avatar Cliff H says:

        I have an antique medical textbook somewhere, written about 1875 or so. Much of what is in there is laughably inaccurate or inappropriate, based on even third world standards today, but some of the author’s philosophy is illuminating.

        In discussing mental illness and genetics he made the interesting observation: “Genius child was never born of idiot parents.”

    2. avatar chuck (hates nj) says:

      This comment is full of pure WIN!

    3. avatar HiddenHills says:

      Quit harshing on Dirk!

  13. avatar LongPurple says:

    “If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him – what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” said the relative. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”

    So what that boils down to is this:

    o Criminals have the right to commit any sort of violence without interference from anyone who is not a victim of that criminal.

    Therefore:

    o Every non-criminal able-bodied citizen should be armed to protect himself from criminals, and not expect any other citizen to have any concern for anyone’s safety but his own.

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      QED Brother!

    2. avatar Cliff H says:

      “Criminals have the right to commit any sort of violence without interference from anyone who is not a victim of that criminal. ”

      Coralary: If a policeman stumbles onto a crime in progress he has no right to interfere since HE is not the victim.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        That argument has also been made by the families of ne’er do wells. Luckily common law says differently, and caselaw has followed it here…

  14. avatar Doc Brown says:

    Can we just take ceric out and finish him off as he was caught red handed.

  15. avatar tjlarson2k says:

    Maybe his relatives should also be jailed for producing, enabling, and otherwise aiding a known criminal.

    Their comments sure sound like a confession to me.

    1. avatar Adub says:

      Maybe we should ban them from all public assistance.

  16. avatar Jeh says:

    Survived 5 shots? What was he using a .22?

    1. avatar peirsonb says:

      Warning shots….

      1. avatar Jeh says:

        A warning shot isn’t something you do when someone is about to shoot you.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      As posters noted above, if you think your handgun is assured to kill someone with 5 shots, you’re probably putting too much faith in it.

  17. avatar BDub says:

    Imagine a “duty to retreat” law overlaying this scenario.

  18. avatar jollyroger says:

    Five times and living with a handgun isn’t extraordinary this day and age. I remember in Afghanistan a girl who couldnt have been older than was shot three time by a local with his AK she was brought to us in a wheel barrow and my squad had an Amazing corpsman who stabilized her and kept her alive til the bird got there to evac her.

  19. avatar Aharon says:

    What else can you expect family to say?

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      Something like, “when his father gets out of prison, he’s gonna teach that kid a lesson he’ll never forget.”

      1. avatar Model 31 says:

        That’s kind of funny.

    2. avatar tjlarson2k says:

      The truth.

      1. avatar Chad says:

        sad truth

  20. avatar Mike in Texas says:

    My need for a clear conscience would, by default, take away the option for me to walk out of the store, leaving an innocent clerk undefended with a gun to the clerk’s head. The suggestion that a legally armed civilian, happening upon a crime in progress where an innocent’s life is in mortal peril, should simply walk out of the store makes the Ridiculist this evening. The question that should be asked of the perp’s family is this: If your son was a clerk at the store and I walked in, legally armed, would you want me to walk out or would you want me to try to protect and save your son’s life (at no small risk to my own) from a criminal who had a gun to your son’s head? Would you?

    1. avatar Mike H. in WA says:

      Obviously, you are a morally reprehensible person.

      [/sarcasm]

    2. avatar Too long on the South Side says:

      Want to know what Adric’s family would say in response to your question?

      “Why you be dissin’ Adric, saying he gotta work some shitty bitch-ass job like that?”

      In Adric’s world, actually working for a living is deserving of contempt. A real man takes what he wants from the weak.

  21. avatar Don says:

    Hollow points.

  22. avatar Cubby123 says:

    Extreme shock ammo,does the trick first round.
    This guy is a perfect reason for conceal carry,cause we are surrounded by scum bums like this guy and his really,really stupid family.

  23. avatar Rikoshay says:

    Leave the poor Ardic be. He’s had a rough life being black named White.

  24. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    So let me get this straight?
    We are supposed to feel sorry for:
    A convicted criminal, who for all intents and purposes had a hostage with a gun to his head.
    Then he goes to point the weapon at a good guy trying to stop the situation, and gets shot in the process.

    Yeah ok I am crying a river, NOT!

  25. avatar Phil says:

    Technically, it’s $200 you wouldn’t collect after not passing GO and going directly to jail.

  26. avatar Rich Grise says:

    I’m kinda reluctant to bring this up, but you know that “knockout” “game” where the thugs deck innocent bystanders just for the thrill of it? What if a CC GG sees that happen? What then?

    1. avatar RockOnHellChild says:

      Well, maybe if a couple of them get shot the game will seem less entertaining.

      The “bleed out game” doesn’t sound quite as jam-packed with thrills.

      1. avatar Rich Grise says:

        I’m more interested in the issue of whether it could be called justifiable, or if the GG would get nailed on manslaughter.
        I’d say justifiable, but I’m not the cops or DA.

        1. avatar Julian says:

          Generally in these attacks, it’s one hit then run, so it would look really bad (legally speaking) if you actually shot someone for this. However, it would be reasonable (IMO, check local laws) to hold them at gunpoint and call the cops, since that is a felony assault. If they take off, better let them go, or you’re in for a world of trouble. You’d probably be better off snapping a picture of the attacker with your phone, than trying to shoot or detain them anyway.

        2. avatar Jus Bill says:

          That really depends on whether it happened in LA, NYC, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Boulder, Seattle, Detroit, or Bawlmer. or if you were in the United States.

          DC doesn’t count ‘cuz it’s not a state, it’s Congress’ plantation on the Potomac. And there’s NO street crime there.

  27. avatar dakiwi13 says:

    great now we get to spend more tax payer money on housing him and keeping him alive

  28. avatar Jason says:

    If every good guy was armed and trained as this guy was. Crime would decrease greatly. Bad guys would stand no chance if we all carried and had training to back it up. This guy knew the laws and broke them he deserves everything he got and more

    1. avatar jwm says:

      Was this guy trained?

  29. avatar Mediocrates says:

    And now you understand why the sales tax is 10% in Mobile. They refuse to educate these morons with their property taxes.

  30. avatar WI Patriot says:

    Perhaps the robbers family should’ve raised him with better values, that way he wouldn’t have been in a position to get shot…

  31. avatar Venator Magnus says:

    “If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him – what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” said the relative. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”

    Ladies and Gentleman, this is precisely the Left’s philosophy when it comes to personal responsibility.

    I bet the establishment media will be glad to conjure up elementary-age images of this “alleged” perpetrator, who was clearly on his way to turning his life around. Clearly.

    Shannon T. Watts, Rev’rins Al & Jesse, we’re all waiting for you to and tell us all how the CC’er was motivated by racial hatred. But we know how busy you are speaking out about the “Knockout” incidents, again being “allegedly” committed by other good boys turning their lives around.

  32. avatar scooter says:

    The lesson is simple: Don’t start any SH, there won’t be any IT. Point to the good guys. If Scummy McLowlife lives, maybe he will have learned something he can share with his prison hubby when they cuddle post coitus.

    1. avatar crndl says:

      +1 last sentence…ouch

  33. avatar Joseph B. Campbell says:

    His family should go to jail with him. They are the ones who taught him that he could get away with robbing the store in the first place.

  34. avatar jimmyjames says:

    And guess who paid for Adric’s life saving emt’s and doc’s and is paying for his convalescent hospital stay…? He should have been drowned at birth.

  35. avatar Joe says:

    What gives Adric the right to go into the store and point a gun at the clerks head? Why didn’t he just go about his own business and leave the clerk alone?

    Now Adric is the victim, huh? Live by the sword, die by the sword. How people can say stupid things like that with a straight face, I dunno.

  36. avatar Art Axelson says:

    As a result of this tragedy…(the fact that White survived), I’m offering up my services in CQC and proper shot placement. 5 shots is 2 shots too many. A tight shot group center mass followed by a single head shot, aka (the tax payer saver). Don’t waste money on a wasted life. The tax payers save. No trial, no infinite detention. You save. 3 rounds expended vs the 5 he fired off. You’ll have more ammo left over for the next scumbag.

  37. avatar Anonymous says:

    I think these comments:

    “If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him – what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” said the relative. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”

    represent a better explanation for and the cause of “gun violence.” I also believe comments and ideals such as these would be better addressed as a solution for “gun violence” than those proposing the solution for and in favor of “gun control.”

  38. avatar Rich Grise says:

    Would Barack’s son behave like Adric?

  39. avatar Chip Canales says:

    I run hollow points through my handgun, he would have had 5 dime sized holes in the front and 5 fist sized holes in his back when I was done…..

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