Name That Gun

In our photo galleries “Guns of the Capitol Hill Shooting” (click here and here) we saw a whole lotta ARs goin’ on. And HK 416s. But this guy was rockin’ it old school. Name that gun and discuss why it’s still a fine choice for taking out an assault Infiniti and/or its driver (but not the passenger). [h/t Dylan]

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  1. avatar RKBA says:

    Is it normal for DC Police to only load their battle weapons to half capacity, or did this guy already discharge half the cartridges in his AR magazine?

    http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1679/i8fs.png

    1. avatar Scottlac says:

      It looks full to me. The window won’t be completely full of brass but the pointer will be at the 30 mark. There has to be room for that spring and the round count marker is on the spring, not the follower.

      1. avatar Brandon says:

        I don’t think it’s full. I just checked a loaded window Pmag and with 30 rounds there are 7 cartridges and the follower visible. His only has 4 cartridges visible, then the follower and part of the spring. Also, the round counter stops at 25. So he is either downloaded a few rounds, or has fired some shots.

    2. avatar miserylovescompany says:

      I’m wondering what all that white lettering on the right side of his rifle’s magwell is. Perhaps the ubiquitious ‘restricted LEO/export only’ chickenscratch?

      Tom

      1. avatar Padawan says:

        “Heckler & Koch GmbH
        Made in Germany

        Heckler & Koch
        Defense Inc.
        Sterling VA”

      2. avatar Tom says:

        Because you suck, and we hate you.

        1. avatar AZRon says:

          Gee, that’s hysterical Tom. Did you just think that up or would you like a cracker.

        2. Actually, the idea of them putting the unofficial slogan on a rifle is pretty funny.

        3. avatar ScurvyDog says:

          Stop it Tom. HK is good people. I hope you weren’t trying to be witty because you’re not. Maybe HK just hates you because you suck. Yeah maybe that’s it.

    3. avatar Taylor Tx says:

      I looked at the pic a little closer, the mag is marked with the number 7 in blue paint I suppose, not a windowed pmag.

      or is this is response to a pic that isnt the one at the top of this post?

      1. avatar Scottlac says:

        It’s in response to the PMAG pic that RKBA linked to.

  2. avatar ST says:

    M16A1?

    Yeesh, he must have pissed of the unit armorer.

    “NO EOTECH FOR YOU!!”(in Seinfeld Soup Nazi Voice).

    1. avatar BDub says:

      M16A2 with A1 foregrips.

      1. avatar tfunk says:

        That’s an A1 upper receiver

      2. avatar Jay1987 says:

        No its an A1 or older the rear sight don’t have the range turret underneath.

        1. avatar BRY says:

          Older: But, a typical Frankenstein military hand-me-down. The butt stock is pre A-1 (hinged sling swivel, rubber butt plate). The flash hider is an A-1 (or later) birdcage type. Its also a select fire rifle. If you follow the link to photos, you can see the auto sear pin above the selector switch and many other details.

    2. avatar tim.m says:

      bet he’s got the lightest Ar out of any of them

  3. avatar janitor says:

    ar 15 shotgun

    1. avatar ScurvyDog says:

      ROFL we got a bi-winner

    2. avatar sagebrushracer says:

      definitely, it has a barrel shroud. You know, the should thing that goes up.

  4. avatar Coe says:

    It looks like a run-of-the-mill M16.
    They’re ‘low tech’ compared to an M4 but they can’t be that bad… right?

    1. avatar Jonathan says:

      How is the really low tech? There are first run AK’s and STG-44’s out there that are way older and they are doing their job. I think people lose sight of the fact that there havent been and real advances in small arms in decades. Even using shit 55 grain FMJ’s, a suspect isn’t getting back up at normal police distances. This guy remembered the first run of a gun fight: Bring a gun.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        He also remembered the other two points of that rule.
        1.2 Bring more than one gun.
        1.3 Bring all your friends who also have guns.

  5. avatar John K says:

    Isn’t it a 20″ barrel A2 configuration AR-15?

    1. avatar Jay1987 says:

      No its an a1 look at the handguards and rear sight adjustment. the handguards are triangular and the rear sight doesn’t have the big round knob

  6. avatar jwm says:

    Looks like an old school m16 to me. It must have been forgotten in the back of the locker. It doesn’t even have a tacticool sling or mag pouch on it. I’ll bet it uses 55 grain bullets.

    After looking at the picture a little closer, holy crap, is that a 3 prong flash hider on that antique? If it had duct tape and a bent nail holding it together I’d think it was my old issue junk pile.

  7. avatar Jay1987 says:

    M16A1 its full freakin auto which works great for hosing down high cap assault vehicles with un armed drivers and the rest of the block.

    1. avatar tater tot says:

      If we could see the backside, we could tell if it’s an M16A1 or M16 — no forward assist on the really old-school M16s!

      1. avatar Jay1987 says:

        And 1:12 twist on really old school ones too

        1. avatar BRY says:

          1:14 on really, really old school versions (AR-15, Mod 01 and Colt 601s).

      2. avatar Jay1987 says:

        Also the rear sight doesn’t have an elevation turret

    2. avatar PavePusher says:

      All drivers are armed. Every vehicle is a weapon, dependent only on intent.

  8. avatar Accur81 says:

    ‘Nam era de-milled M16A1 with a 30 rd Magpul mag. I doubt they kept the full auto selector for police duty, but I could be wrong.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      Assuredly. The Capital Popo wouldn’t be playing at rock n roll. Certainly would demil/neuter the ole time M16. NOT

  9. avatar Danny says:

    Is that a FAMAS?

    1. avatar jwm says:

      Naw, if that was a famas it would be laying on the ground unfired and the 2 guys with it would have their hands in the air.

        1. avatar jwm says:

          You can”t disrespect the French army? I must have missed that memo.

        2. avatar Jay1987 says:

          The French have a respectable army??? I missed that memo.

        3. avatar g says:

          Nice read. So French troops get booze / wine with their MREs and sex?

          No wonder French morale is so high.

        4. avatar jwm says:

          Sex with the other squaddies doesn’t mean high morale. The booze may be to dull the memories.

  10. avatar DamDoc says:

    where is the hand guard? where is osha? looks like hand burns to me, but probably it is never actually used.

  11. avatar Bear says:

    Definately an A1, early 70’s?

  12. avatar Cubby123 says:

    It’s An AR-10 308 cal

    1. avatar Philthegardner says:

      I think so. Unless the officer is a really small guy, that magazine looks wider than a 5.56. It looks like an AR-10 with a 20 round mag

      1. avatar JoshinGA says:

        A 20 round PMAG in an AR10 would be roughly even with the pistol grip. That magazine obviously extends beyond the pistol grip. Its not an AR10.

    2. avatar Taro Tsujimoto says:

      That mag’s too curved for an AR-10. It’s an M16A1.

  13. avatar jwm says:

    And just to set the record straight. That is a rifle, not a gun. Don’t make me have to go all R.Lee Ermey on you.

    1. avatar Jay1987 says:

      To set the record straight that thing should be in a musuem or hanging on my wall in the den/workshop/laundryroom/junk room.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        I did refer to it as an antique a little earlier. I wonder if the mattel special will last as long as the mausers, lee enfields and mosins do?

        1. avatar Jay1987 says:

          Possibly it is aluminum and plastic

    2. avatar ropingdown says:

      Lee Earmey was an aviation ground support guy in the Marines, not a grunt. Now if you called your Glock a plastic pea-shooter, I could see why he’d be bothered.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        It was a reference to full metal jacket and his role in the movie.

  14. avatar Steve Truffer says:

    longer barrel + slower twist rate = higher velocity? more energy & upset, so less penetration and more damage?

  15. avatar Jeh says:

    Looks like an old school m16. Still a fine choice because it shoots, and bullets do not discriminate.

  16. avatar USMCVeteran says:

    When it comes to gunning down an unarmed woman with a baby I guess any gun will do.

    1. avatar tater tot says:

      +1

      I’ve noticed that the media seems to be glossing over that little tidbit ..

    2. avatar Taylor Tx says:

      What about her High Capacity Assault Vehicle?!

    3. avatar Hannibal says:

      Are you foolish enough to think that a car is not a deadly weapon?

      1. avatar Bill says:

        The woman was apparently fleeing when she was gunned down.

      2. avatar ropingdown says:

        Hannibal, I know you’re sensitive on the issue, and I detect you think people are piling on. Please do consider the other side of the issue: Every car fleeing every LEO is “a deadly weapon,” In my city, and probably most others, we don’t permit firing on a fleeing vehicle unless there is more to go on that just the flight. If they aren’t shooting as they go, or obviously targetting pedestrians, our LEO’s wouldn’t shoot. We have other policies in place to intercept the driver, and we don’t want 7 of 10 bullets flying off into the city. That is really not an unreasonable thing.

        My personal gripe is that the Uniformed SS should have had (as many did thirty years ago) at least one shotgun among them, and should have stayed on one side of the car at the WH barrier. The tires should have been blown, if not the engine block. I haven’t heard a sensible answer yet on why they are not prepared to stop a vehicle by force, without taking out the driver. My own personal guess is that guys really don’t want to be the one stuck with the heavy high-recoil gun. The loadings (shotgun or medium-bore rifle) that will break the engine block through to the cylinders are definitely high-brass large momentum high-recoil loads.

        This is a matter of policy, and I don’t fault the guys at the gates for not having what they aren’t authorized.

    4. avatar neiowa says:

      Women, minorities, children worst effected. Guess not.

  17. avatar Brett says:

    I’m on my phone so I cant see the flash hider, so all I can tell is it seems to be an M16A1 or A2 with A1 handguards

  18. avatar Al says:

    Even looks like it has an old school USGI web sling.

  19. avatar Carry.45 says:

    M16. I don’t know diddly about the variations.

  20. avatar GRUMPY says:

    Just looked it up on the Brady campaign website. Definitely an AK-47

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      Grumpy is the Winner.

    2. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      OMG. I’m getting a dirty look from my wife because I just lost soda out of my nose.

  21. avatar Wiley P says:

    Someone already mentioned it, but yes, a 20” barrel would offer higher muzzle velocity, and thus more kinetic energy.

    Also, the PD probably got them from the Army, for ‘free.’

  22. avatar mp says:

    The very last one in the gun cabinet for the standing army that protects D.C…… They gave it to the cook and told him to sling the police tape….

  23. avatar gloomhound says:

    It’s an M16A1 it’s has the correct thin profile barrel.

  24. avatar Avid Reader says:

    But does it have the thing that goes up?

  25. avatar Kyle says:

    Bulbasaur!!!……jk looks like a colt M16A1. The handguard and the carry handle lead me to think that.

  26. avatar Ralph says:

    Okay, I’ll name that gun. How about “Barney.”

    1. avatar Jay1987 says:

      Nah somethin snappy like uhhh Joe Biden Barack Hussein Obama or Dianne Feinstein.

  27. avatar MOG says:

    I was thinking, after a hard day of killing an unarmed woman what difference does it make what rifle they used?

  28. avatar Ray says:

    Well, I magnified the crap out of this picture. Old style full stock, triangular handguard, 20 inch barrel, birdcage flash hider, bayonet lug, and missing the range wheel from the rear sight. I can’t tell if it’s full auto or not. So, based on that, if it’s semi-auto it’s the original Colt SP-01 made for the civilian and LE market circa 1980. If it is full auto, then an M-16A1. I’m betting that it’s the SP-01.

    (I bought one the first year they were available for $400.00)

  29. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Looks like a really old colt SP-1 sporter. Any older and it would have a 3 prong flash hider.

  30. avatar Patriot says:

    So the thousands of SS Troops… errr I mean Agents guarding El Presidente get to use P-mags, but our troops aren’t good enough to use ’em? That’s cool.

    1. avatar JoshinGA says:

      Looks like a Capital cop, so Im assuming they would be ordering their own mags, and then getting reimbursed rather than being issued mags…

    2. avatar Jesus says:

      The squad automatic weapon the marines are switching to doesn’t play well with the pmags, that’s why they are banning them.

  31. avatar maynard biggs says:

    Nothing A2 about it. Even the handguard ring is straight – not a tapered ‘delta ring’

  32. avatar Dave says:

    I would name it Darla. I just think it’s a good fit for a classic lady who still knows how to rock’ n roll!

  33. avatar Taco Ninja says:

    Either this guy is on the low end of the totem pole and he was given the ole rickety rifle…or he knows his weapons and is the best shot on the team and picked this knowing some of the advantages it has…

  34. avatar Aharon says:

    It’s a ToysRUs special gun that makes a recorded bang-bang noise but doesn’t shoot out anything. Real cops don’t need real guns.

  35. avatar jsallison says:

    I’m still trying to figure out how he’d get it to his shoulder quickly without strangling himself.

  36. avatar David says:

    It looks like a frankenstein ar/m-16 to me.

    I am trying to honor RF’s assignment and discuss why it is good for taking out people & cars – but I do not believe it is. People yeah sure – cars . . . not unless most of us are wrong and that thing is chambered in .308 instead of 5.56.

    Nothing in 5.56 is a “fine choice” for obstacle defeating power no matter how long you make the barrel and not matter how much you monkey w/ the twist rate. Heavier and slower (slower than 3,000 fps +) is better for consistent penetration without pitching, yawing, shredding, or ricochet. Decent choice yeah but there are much better choices available.

    So RF, do you have some insight into what it is exactly? And you believe it is fine choice because?

  37. avatar Mike says:

    AR15 SP1 is what it looks like. Used to own one just like it.

  38. avatar jimmyjames says:

    It’s an AR something or other with triangular foregrip/handguard. Really? That’s what the guys providing security in our nation’s capital are carrying? Wonder what the bbl twist is and what ammo is in the mag? Could the guy and gun even hit a B29 silhouette at 100yds with it? One thing’s for damn sure. A crazy ass woman in a sports car gave all those guys and guns a run for their money. Just think what a highly trained, highly motivated , highly armed (suitcase nuke anyone), suicide terrorist could have done.

  39. avatar Jacen says:

    If I can see the right side of the gun, I would be able to tell if it’s an original SP1. It’s funny that this rifle must be hell of a lot lighter than the more “modern” 416s

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